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The Uncirculated Rumours Project
In Summer 1988, a 3-record (vinyl) set of Stevie rarities was released, with the titles:
Uncirculated Rumours More Uncirculated Rumours Last Of The Uncirculated Rumours The original set of all 3 Uncirculated Rumours came on black vinyl, and the second release was on coloured vinyl (red, orange and green), and all front covers were of Stevie's Rhiannon painting with a different inset photo of Stevie on each one. Another batch of Stevie's demos and outtakes had previously been bootlegged ten years earlier on the Almanac album, which was released in November 1978. This set featured "Sorcerer", "Cathouse Blues", "Candlebright" and many more. Uncirculated Rumours had a wide spectrum of sound quality for the songs, ranging from abysmal ("Blue Lamp", "Julia", "Battle Of The Dragon") to sublime ("Maker Of The Birds", "Leather And Lace", "Rhiannon"). Despite the disappointing sound on many songs, the collection was still an impressive selection of Stevie's unreleased work to that time. Last week, Mathew (KarmaContestant) and I were talking about Uncirculated Rumours, and he mentioned his desire to have a complete set of Uncirculated Rumours in terrific sound quality. In the intervening 23 years since the vinyl release of Uncirculated Rumours, most of the songs have been massively upgraded in sound quality, whether through the Master Reels or other outlets. I started this thread to see if we could make this dream a reality. I'm not at my DSL tonight, or I'd start posting links to upgrades or links of songs that need upgrading. There are several songs that I do not have on my computer, so I'd need to hear them again to determine if that version has been upgraded or not. Some thoughts: "Maker Of The Birds" - The version on Uncirculated Rumours sounds very good, and I still think it is the best. Maureen Loftus put out a "remastered" version in 1998, but I think it sounds muffled, whereas the Uncirculated Rumours version is loud and clear. There is also an audible gasp by Stevie after she sings, "He thought 'Maybe I'm going insane'..." that is not on Maureen's remastering. Does anyone have the Uncirculated Rumours vinyl version? "Forest Of The Black Roses" - I do not have the second version, only on vinyl which I can't hear (no turntable). "Think About It" - The Uncirculated Rumours version is on the Master Reels; However, on UR, there is an added electic guitar which kicks in about a minute into the song that is not on the Master Reels. "Castaway" - This demo version is very different from Stevie's many takes on the Master Reels, incorporating a different second verse in this take (as well as in the piano demo). This is a great version, but the sound is terrible. "Smile At You" - This take does exist on the Master Reels, but in an edited form, chopping out the second round of "What you did not need was a lady who was stronger..." part. The longer version on the Master Reels has Stevie singing the first verse twice! Is there a good sounding complete version of this take with the correct verses and vocals? Uncirculated Rumours Castaway - Demo Version - Not on any of the Master Reels; contains a different second verse Silver Springs - Piano Demo 1976 Rhiannon - Piano Demo Version 1 (Where Stevie talks about the birds rising) Forsaken Love - Piano Demo Version 1 (Listed here as "Mistaken Love", but copyrighted title is "Forsaken Love") Rhiannon - Piano Demo Version 2 (Softer version) Forsaken Love - Piano Demo Version 2 (Listed here as "Mistaken Love", but copyrighted title is "Forsaken Love") Sleeping Angel - Demo Sara - Piano Demo Castaway - Piano Demo More Uncirculated Rumours Forest Of The Black Roses - Version 1 Forest Of The Black Roses - Version 2 Blue Water - Piano Demo March 1978; On Master Reels, flawless Think About It - Outtake; Recorded/Mixed at Record Plant, Sausalito, California, February 4th, 1976-April 9th, 1976 If You Ever Did Believe - 1978 Smile At You - Tusk era studio recording, unedited (Master Reels versions are edited or have different vocals) Leather And Lace - Early Demo with Don Henley Julia (unlisted) - Version commonly believed to be from The Wild Heart (and confirmed to me by Gordon Perry in 1996 in Dallas) Maker Of The Birds (listed here as "For You On The Three Birds Of Rhiannon") Last Of The Uncirculated Rumours Battle Of The Dragon - With Tom Petty 1984 After The Glitter Fades - Demo 1975 Crying In The Night - Electric Mix 1973 (Single Remix) Kind Of Woman - Piano Demo 1975 I Sing For The Things - Demo 1984 Blue Lamp - Outtake 1981 (On the Master Reels) Silver Springs - Live 1977 Kansas City Violet And Blue - 1982; Soundtrack Version (released 1984) I'll be posting links starting tomorrow, but anyone else can join in!!! :) |
Oh wow! Very interesting, Mike.. I never even knew that someone had released demos/outtakes on a vinyl format. I think I had seen the title "Uncirculated Rumours" thrown around here or there but never exactly what that referred to.
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Yes, Jeff, it was very exciting to be at that record show in Houston in August 1988, rifling through the Stevie/Fleetwood Mac bin, to see the three Uncirculated Rumours records there ~ and with ALL these titles I'd never even heard of! The first time I ever heard "Julia", there was no title listed for it!!
There were many LIVE vinyl bootlegs of Stevie and Fleetwood Mac on vinyl in the old days, but only Almanac (November 1978) had demos & outtakes, and they were all Stevie's songs (plus a few live songs: "Landslide", "I'm So Afraid", "Spare Me A Little" and "Rhiannon" from a 1975 radio show). This is where those songs came from first, long before Master Reels or anything. Almanac Watch Chain - 1978 Living Room demo Spare Me A Little - Live 1975 Secret Love - 1978 Living Room demo Without You Storms - 1978 Living Room demo (2 takes) Landslide - Live 1975 Candlebright I'm So Afraid - Live 1975 That's Alright Garbo Silver Springs - B-side version Sorcerer Goldfish and Ladybug Rhiannon - Live 1975 Cathouse Blues |
I have all three Uncirculated Rumours albums, as well as Almanac, and several other vinyl bootlegs. I obtained them in the ancient past (mid-eighties) when the terms such as"downloads" and "internet" didn't exist.
Getting unreleased stuff wasn't so quick, direct and simple then. You had to scour the classified sections of magazines such as GoldMine or Rolling Stone to find traders. Some would show long tiny print lists of what they had to offer. With others you had to write/call them to request a list. Once you got the list in the mail, you would write/call them with your order -- tedious and slow compared to the instant gratification/accessibility we've grown accustom to with computers and social media. If you were fortunate to live near an independant record store, you might stumble upon some rare bootlegs. I think that is how I got my Uncirculated Rumours collection. The covers are very cool because they feature Stevie's artwork. Back then, it was very special to get rare live/unreleased material. Note: the Silver Springs on Uncirculated Rumours isn't the studio b-side. It's a rare live performance from 1976/77. The song was very obscure then, and it was only performed one or two times. |
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I got all of my vinyl bootlegs at record shows in Houston or Austin. Oh, I did find Fleetwood Mac Plays The City Of Sin: Las Vegas '77 at a cool record store on Westheimer in Houston. Otherwise, it was always at record shows for me. Ah, the memories... |
I'll start putting in links here, and editing this post as more are added:
Uncirculated Rumours Castaway - Demo Version - Not on any of the Master Reels; contains a different second verse (So, this one needs a major upgrade; anyone?) http://www.mediafire.com/?p93z22d22ykkfwr Castaway - Demo Version; Pitch Adjusted http://www.mediafire.com/?c7i09vdnt2dg4d1 Silver Springs - Piano Demo 1976 http://www.mediafire.com/?eon6h9sxsnsmh5b Rhiannon - Piano Demo Version 1 (Where Stevie talks about the birds rising) From the Rhiannon 03/28/1978 Master Reel (New link) http://www.mediafire.com/?cvv9djghqy8s0v1 Forsaken Love - Piano Demo Version 1; Source: Rhiannon 2-Track Master Reel http://www.mediafire.com/?gd5mwz4cmge54ot Rhiannon - Piano Demo Version 2; Source: Rhiannon 2-Track Master Reel http://www.mediafire.com/?8rcw5uk91gdjjp8 Forsaken Love - Piano Demo Version 2 From the Forsaken Love 24 Track Master Reel http://www.mediafire.com/?7c876n7m2zz961m Sleeping Angel - Demo; Source: Demos Reel 01/08/1980 http://www.mediafire.com/?wtc9a76d4sxdhf5 Sara - Piano Demo http://www.mediafire.com/?vp1ke9oulnml3co Castaway - Piano Demo; Source: Uncirculated Rumours original vinyl 1988 http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?9vc162mc8xi27ma More Uncirculated Rumours Forest Of The Black Roses - Mix 1; Source 1: China Doll compilation http://www.mediafire.com/?29n48tn64o74g26 Forest Of The Black Roses - Mix 1; Source 2: Uncirculated Rumours original vinyl 1988 http://www.mediafire.com/?au4mnp497bjjn6a Forest Of The Black Roses - Mix 2; Source: Uncirculated Rumours original vinyl 1988 http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6d0kdwdltpjudtk Blue Water - Piano Demo March 1978; Source: Rhiannon 2-Track Master Reel http://www.mediafire.com/?lm1gohfk3c5sgcx Think About It - Outtake; Recorded/Mixed at Record Plant, Sausalito, California, February 4th, 1976-April 9th, 1976; Source: Demos Reel 01/08/1980 http://www.mediafire.com/?9pwui95metp3c6c If You Ever Did Believe - Version 1; From the Gems compilation http://www.mediafire.com/?7890bk0i9bwi1fx If You Ever Did Believe - Version 2; From Mystery Box: Rumours Mixes (even though this song is well after Rumours) http://www.mediafire.com/?94rrq1t5r1ck1yi Smile At You - Tusk era studio recording; Source: Mirror Ball CD http://www.mediafire.com/?3z3yby7bbmec3yc Leather And Lace - Early Demo with Don Henley; Source: Demos Reel 01/08/1980 http://www.mediafire.com/?9a3wimhgdik5vl3 Julia (unlisted) - Version commonly believed to be from The Wild Heart (and confirmed to me by Gordon Perry in 1996 in Dallas) Source: Master Reel Compilation Dated 01/20/1986 http://www.mediafire.com/?q0d2qq7aqc5ki34 Maker Of The Birds Source: China Doll compilation http://www.mediafire.com/?5o8q6f4ouh5a3w7 Last Of The Uncirculated Rumours Battle Of The Dragon - With Tom Petty 1984 (This one sounds better than on UR, but is it the same take?) http://www.mediafire.com/?z3yopyb50uv7aa1 After The Glitter Fades - Demo 1975; Source: Demos Reel 01/08/1980 http://www.mediafire.com/?yee8wzdr3dr9gx9 Crying In The Night - Electric Mix 1973 (Single Remix) http://www.mediafire.com/?ps8sp69i3vn998g Kind Of Woman - Piano Demo; Source: Demos Reel 01/08/1980 http://www.mediafire.com/?ava27xfbsatbvb7 I Sing For The Things - Piano Demo 1982 (Am I right that this is the correct version? This is from an undated/unlabeled Master Reel.) http://www.mediafire.com/?7xw8l3ftfm4jjk8 Blue Lamp - Outtake 1981; Source: 1/4 Reel 10/19/1980 http://www.mediafire.com/?1lnii512nnoaj7n Silver Springs - Live 1976 Kansas City (I found this online to be from 06/18/1976 Kansas City, MO; Correct? Anyone have an upgrade?) http://www.mediafire.com/?rmmm3khd1xv7xvi Silver Springs - Live 06/24/1976 Milwaukee, WI. http://www.mediafire.com/?l7r1q5t7lkt02r8 Violet And Blue - Unreleased Film Version 1982; Source: Mystery Box: Various http://www.mediafire.com/?6z092hpx1v0nl73 |
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As I'm uploading these, I'm only doing the ones not on the Masters nor the ones I have original CDs of (Maureen's Mystery Box CDs). Those songs I'm going to re-upload into my computer to ensure losslessness and maximum sound potential (yes, they originally were imported as the dreaded mp3s!). If anyone has better sounding copies, please post them.
Questions: "I Sing For The Things" piano demo - Again, I'm not able to listen to my vinyl Uncirculated Rumours, but is the version on there from circa 1984, or is it really a sped up copy of the 1982 piano demo from the Master Reels? I just remember the sound was bad and Stevie sounded all Rock A Little-ish. but the poor sound and speed could have made it seem that way. "If You Ever Did Believe" - Which version is on Uncirculated Rumours??? I'm going through mine, and there are so many early versions... or, actually, the same main one with different overdubs, backing vocals, edits, etc. |
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Just did it! I had the place holding while I uploaded. I'm redoing ALL of my Stevie CDs... a BIG project, so I started here!
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I have this on vinly I didn't realize it was a bootleg until I played for some reason I think I paid about @ $30 for the three at a local used record shop it was sealed in plastic. that is probably when I bought them back in 1988. just had rhiannon pics with Stevie pics on back has pics and song listings no Stevie Nicks name on it so was dissapointed at first with the quality of the sound but cool to listen to love Stevie's Demos.
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I also have this collection.I got it from a seller out of the Goldmine collectable magazine around 1993.way before Ebay.Thanks for uploading them.
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I got mine all 3 sealed for $30 for all three they were sold seperately for $10 a piece I picked mine up at Brass City Records in Waterbury the owner Walter always had great stuff and reasonable too its like a gold mine going into his store finding all good treasures. I picked mine up in 1988 or 1989.
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Thanks Mike:angel:, Ive just d/loaded Julia & Forsaken Love, so much appreciated as i lost a lot of Stevie's gems due to my old computer crashing:mad: one of my favorites Forest Of The Black Roses is still missing, so would it be possible for you to add both 1 & 2 versions.. Thanks in advance
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I'm still hoping someone has digital files of those vinyl versions of "Maker Of the Birds" and "Forest Of The Black Roses" because they sound so much better than the fuzzy files we ALL have and share over and over. |
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I will be uploading "Maker Of The Birds" and the first "Forest Of the Black Roses" tomorrow, but I would still like to see if someone actually has the vinyl versions to post, because I only have the 1998 "remastered" copies from Maureen Loftus. These vinyl versions sounded so much better. As proof of my memories, I spent a half hour this morning going through the endless copies I have of the same "Silver Springs" piano demo. The one that clearly sounded the best was from Uncirculated Rumours; you can even hear a vinyl "pop" in it once. So, I'm sure someone has the vinyl for those other 2 songs. Please? :wavey: |
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Well that should teach me not to speed read, sorry my bad. lol.. lets hope version 2 turns up, although I'd be really happy if i had the only version out there of FOTBR.. :thumbsup: i have looked in the demo thread, could not find it:o
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Mediafire has crapped out on me tonight, not letting me upload; probably too many people on all over the world? Cosmic rays??
Anyway, I will continue uploading in the morning, and "Forest Of The Black Roses" and "Maker Of The Birds" will be first. But, Stevie Fans out there: post yours if they are better! I DID find the version of "Smile At You" that is on Uncirculated Rumours! Of course, it's not on the Master Reels. Like I detailed above, the versions on the Master Reels are either edited or, if longer, Stevie sings the same verse twice, omitting the "I am older now but I still remember" lyrics, which is a shame. But I found a very good version that is the same content as on Uncirculated Rumours, but better sounding. Not perfect like the Masters, but better, and totally fitting for this project! Source is the Maureen Loftus CD from 1999: Mirror Ball. |
Cool!!! Thanks Mike..
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Here's the versions of Forest of the Black Roses and Three Birds of Rhiannon (at least this is what it's called on mine, maybe the real name is Maker of the Birds).
They're from a CD called China Doll Demos that I got in the late 90's, either from a trader here on the Ledge (Regina maybe?) or maybe Marty himself when there was still a trading/buying page. I haven't heard any of the other versions, but I think I can hear the "pops" of vinyl on here and can't really imagine there being better quality of these out there, but who knows. So, sorry if they're not what you're looking for. Three Birds: http://www.mediafire.com/file/5g7ba3...20Rhiannon.mp3 Forest: http://www.mediafire.com/file/2d6p9v...ck%20Roses.mp3 Let me know if it's what you need. Brad |
I'm a little confused on exactly which Smile At You you're looking for.
This one I have labeled as "Tusk demo." It doesn't repeat the first verse, and the chorus sounds complete to the end. The quality is a little muffled but definitely listenable. Smile At You (Tusk) http://www.mediafire.com/file/pnw8w8...%28Tusk%29.mp3 I'm not sure if it's needed, but I have labeled as "Mirage Angry" where she repeats the "flaming" stuff over and over at the end. Smile At You (Mirage angry) http://www.mediafire.com/file/82yycj...ngry%20Ver.mp3 And as an added bonus, here's a very high quality piano only version (labeled as a capella) where she talks a little at the end. Smile At You (Piano) http://www.mediafire.com/file/9qa21f...Capella%29.mp3 Hope these help. If I'm not "getting" what the purpose of the thread is, just tell me to shut up. Brad |
Brad, you are contributing exactly as I had hoped~ thank you! The China Doll compilation was put out by Maureen Loftus in 1998, when she was getting all kinds of Stevie rarities from a guy who was working with Mick on a Fleetwood Mac rarities collection which never came out/got completed (it was supposed to be ready by Late 1998 for Fleetwood Mac's 30th Anniversary).
Maureen would take 4 or 5 of her new rarities and put them on a CD with several older, well-circulated demos/outtakes to fill up each CD, and then sell the CDs. This is where many, many of the unreleased songs we have of Stevie's were unleashed, through Maureen's selling/trading them in 1997-2001 or so. "Maker Of The Birds" (the copyrighted true title of the song) and "Forest Of The Black Roses" were "remastered" by Maureen and put on China Doll, and the results are a LOT better than I remembered!!! Thank you for sharing!!! So, there is a second "softer" take of "Forest Of The Black Roses" on Uncirculated Rumours. Does anyone have it? (I will DL the "Smile At You"s in a bit~ THANKS AGAIN, BRAD!!!) |
Wow, Mike - what a nice thing to log on and see after the long weekend. :) I'll have to go over this thread again when I get home and see what I can add to help this project.
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It's been fun, Mathew!
The best thing is that it's forced me to go back and re-import all of my Stevie CDs, including the Master Reels and Maureen's Mystery Box CDs, to improve losslessness. In doing so, I've found a few upgrades I forgot about, and also now they are truly lossless, and not condensed into mp3s (as they were when I imported most everything in 2005). I just went back and changed the links on "Sleeping Angel", "After The Glitter Fades", and "Leather And Lace", because I found the Master Demos Reel 01/08/1980 CD that they were from, and the quality is astounding! Right now I'm uploading "Kind Of Woman" from that same Reel, and also "Blue Water" from the Rhiannon 2-Track Master Reel. Edit: Both "Blue Water" and "Kind Of Woman" are new links. |
Okay, I put in two versions of "If You Ever Did Believe" since I did not remember which version is on Uncirculated Rumours. However, both of these are far superiour in sound quality to what was on that LP.
So, I did not put on a second "Forest Of The Black Roses" ~ since I don't have it digitized! And I did not put on "Violet And Blue", because it was merely the commercially released soundtrack version, which is available on Enchanted, iTunes, etc. |
Oh, what the Hell! I put the unreleased outtake of "Violet And Blue" at the end of the collection, since I wasn't going to post the commercially available soundtrack recording which was actually on Uncirculated Rumours in 1988.
This version can be heard in the film Against All Odds, and I uploaded it from one of Maureen Loftus' various Mystery Box CDs. |
This may not seem like much of an upgrade but it's huge if you are a fan of this track. The first version of Castaway on UR, the one with the keyboards, bass and multi-tracked vocals, has been floating around The Ledge for years but this mp3 has one major issue, about two thirds of the way through the pitch changes. I could never figure out why. Maybe the cassette player went out of synch or the belt on the turntable was bad. I dunno. But it always frustrated me. Some nice Ledgie on here sent me this mp3. It's still from the album so it's not any better as far as that goes but it does keep a consistent pitch. So it's a much better rip. So for me it's a really big deal.
I don't know what I'd do if someone found a better version of this from the original recording because I've only ever heard this UR version and it's my absolute favorite Stevie bootleg. I would love for her to dust this off and give it another go. Anyway, here's the best Castaway UR1 mp3 I have. http://www.mediafire.com/?c7i09vdnt2dg4d1 |
Thanks for sharing! Yes, I LOVE that version so much! Much, much more than I do Stevie's other demos of "Castaway".
Thank you very much! |
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Thanks to everyone for the upgrade on this compilation! I had a thread going for old school compilations that got lost in the crowd.
Just a side note, I really dont think there's going to be a better version of the live Silver Springs out there. But good luck. I hope someone proves me wrong! |
I added in the pitch adjusted "Castaway" (THANK YOU AGAIN, UndoingTheLaces!!!).
If anyone has better copies to add, please do so. STILL needing that second take of "Forest Of The Black Roses", if anyone has it. Any vinyl owners out there with transfer capability? I have the records, but no turntable. |
Thanks Brad, Ive just d/l FOTBR a much clearer version than i once had.. much appreciated x
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A DJ friend - who has high-end turntables in his home studio set-up - is going to rip the tracks from my recently acquired 12" vinyl of "Stand Back" (DJ Promo, 1983), so I will ask him to rip the tracks from my copy of the "Last of the Uncirculated Rumours," which I think I listened maybe twice.
I did notice that 3 record sets have been popping up on eBay with an increasing frequency. They've been selling for about $100 bucks a set. http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...1/DSCN0326.jpg |
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