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Jondalar 04-15-2011 11:46 PM

Florence Welch pays tribute to Stevie Nicks in the new rolling stone
 
Best Hippie-Queen Earth Mother

The first time I heard Stevie Nicks, I had just fallen in love with a boy in a band. I was on a family holiday in Italy. Fleetwood Mac's Rumours was one of the only CDs at the house where we stayed, and I was like, "Oh, OK. What's this?" I listened to the whole thing nonstop. There's something about Stevie that's really pure. When she sings, she sounds angelic but also wild and free, like she's getting completely lost in the song. Her new album, In Your Dreams, is just classic, classic songwriting. With this big, expansive guitar sounds, it's moving in a more modern direction, but it still sounds like Stevie Nicks. She's very much the storyteller, and she has a fantastic ability to make songs that you feel immediately connected to. Creating that intimacy while also retaining a mystique is something I learned from her. She also definitely influenced me to wear a cape. I love a cape onstage.

Florence Welch of Florence and the Machine

P.S. I typed this in, so be kind.

http://nickslive.blogspot.com/

louielouie2000 04-15-2011 11:50 PM

Thanks for sharing that! Kinda interesting Florence has already heard In Your Dreams. It really gives me some reassurance that Florence likes the album and says it has big guitar sounds and moves in a more modern direction. What else could I want as a Stevie fan than that? :thumbsup:

Jondalar 04-15-2011 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 965887)
Thanks for sharing that! Kinda interesting Florence has already heard In Your Dreams. It really gives me some reassurance that Florence likes the album and says it has big guitar sounds and moves in a more modern direction. What else could I want as a Stevie fan than that? :thumbsup:

I was particularly happy when she said it was classic, classic songwriting. I thought Yay, no more pieced together garbage, they are really crafting again. Secret Love and Cheaper than Free are definitely real songs.

Jondalar 04-16-2011 12:01 AM

hmmm is just struck me that she never actually said she liked the album

louielouie2000 04-16-2011 12:13 AM

I wonder if this is the issue which reviews In Your Dreams? I remember David Wilde was talking about writing that article a while back.

mezzoforte 04-16-2011 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 965892)
hmmm is just struck me that she never actually said she liked the album

I think calling it "classic, classic songwriting" counts as a vote in favor.;) Florence also says it "sounds like Stevie Nicks," which she clearly considers a pretty good thing.

As if I needed more reasons to love Florence Welch.

tbaker3 04-16-2011 12:30 AM

the way she's gushing, she obviously thinks it's good. Sometimes it seems people tend to read far FAR too deaply into things.

Even if she doesn't like it. It doesn't mean it's bad.
OR
Just because she DOES like it. Doesn't mean you will.

Food for thought.

Sanne2 04-16-2011 03:19 AM

I wonder if Stevie has heard her music, I think she would love it.

J.Miller 04-16-2011 07:15 AM

Three words I like: Rumours,guitar and songwriting. I may give Florence a listen while I put up the boy's clothes. They sound like a band that can rock out.

TrueFaith77 04-16-2011 07:21 AM

I can't stand Florence's music (in a world with An Pierle & White Velvet?!) but I do appreciate the thoughtful shoutout and I hope it encourages her fans to check out Stevie and the Mac (which they really should know)..... even as I'm jealous that she's heard In Your Dreams already!!?? :mad:

Jondalar 04-16-2011 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 965953)
I can't stand Florence's music (in a world with An Pierle & White Velvet?!) but I do appreciate the thoughtful shoutout and I hope it encourages her fans to check out Stevie and the Mac (which they really should know)..... even as I'm jealous that she's heard In Your Dreams already!!?? :mad:

For some reason, when I heard the Dog Days are Over, I went and downloaded the song very quickly. I thought it sounded new and fresh. Then I saw the video and flipped. When I think of Florence I think of that movie the Fifth Element because there is a futuristic rock element to their music, very modern, yet, very elemental. I think they are on the edge of a new type of classic rock.Her voice just cuts through the air like a knife.

I'm sure that Stevie knows Florence is a fan. Stevie is very smart and she is fighting for the legacy of her band. Glee, Moonlight, Oprah.... She is managing to get her name out there with current trends and Florence is one of those trends. I'm sure she is extremely flattered that Sylvia likes her. It's funny but women in music are still citing Stevie as an influence, instead of a lot of those women from the 90s.

Dodfather 04-16-2011 09:43 AM

Nice shout out here and I think that yes, Florence clearly loves Stevie's music and is a fan of In Your Dreams. I think picking out that she din't actually say she liked the album is a bit ridiculous. Come on, it's very clear what she thinks from the passage.

jkmaletic 04-16-2011 09:54 AM

When I first heard "Dog Days Are Over" it totally reminded me of old Jefferson Airplane. (which I never cared for) But, I respect that Florence and the Machine are trying to do something different in the music scene (well, sort of.).


Jamie

Keith 04-16-2011 10:28 AM

ok..
 
I'm not famaliar with Florence and her machine.. but I will definitely check out their music just to see.
I really dig how she described "In Your Dreams"...

...it's funny, I've been very patient waiting for some new Stevie Nicks.. but the closer it gets.. wow... it's, like, all I keep thinking about.. I just want to hear it!!! :]

mezzoforte 04-16-2011 12:10 PM

Her sound is very Jefferson Airplane. I love that, though--such a big, classic voice, so unlike the autotuned crap we're spoon-fed these days.

I'm also completely obsessed with her 70's rockstar style. Her grammy dress might be my favorite red carpet outfit of the year:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...62-419x643.jpg

Jondalar 04-16-2011 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jkmaletic (Post 966001)
When I first heard "Dog Days Are Over" it totally reminded me of old Jefferson Airplane. (which I never cared for) But, I respect that Florence and the Machine are trying to do something different in the music scene (well, sort of.).


Jamie

You are right! It really is Jefferson Airplane with a modern twist. I loved Jefferson Airplane. White Rabbit, Somebody to Love and Winds of Change remind me of Stevie. I always wished those were her songs.

Bryan 04-16-2011 05:38 PM

I like FW enough, but the fact that she's been riding the wave of the one album for 3 years is absolutely ridiculous.She hasn't proven herself yet imo.
Also,the fact that she's heard IYD already shows how 'in' with the industry she's become.
+Wtf was she doing at the Oscars? So out of place.Everyone of those industry brown-nosers can go s*ck a d*ck

Jondalar 04-16-2011 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan (Post 966163)
I like FW enough, but the fact that she's been riding the wave of the one album for 3 years is absolutely ridiculous.She hasn't proven herself yet imo.
Also,the fact that she's heard IYD already shows how 'in' with the industry she's become.
+Wtf was she doing at the Oscars? So out of place.Everyone of those industry brown-nosers can go s*ck a d*ck

LOL tell us how your really feel!

Bryan 04-16-2011 05:42 PM

Can you imagine. .
 
If Stevie spent 3 years promoting Bella Donna? ha,she'd have been there 'til 1984 how silly that thought would be.
Says a LOT about nowadays vs. The 'good ol days',they a2tually had to WORK hard then

mikephxaz 04-16-2011 05:47 PM

Dog Days Are Over...is classic...of course anyone who has the sensibilities to write it would love Stevie

Jondalar 04-16-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan (Post 966168)
If Stevie spent 3 years promoting Bella Donna? ha,she'd have been there 'til 1984 how silly that thought would be.
Says a LOT about nowadays vs. The 'good ol days',they a2tually had to WORK hard then

you know, your kind of right about that

from 1979 to 1989, she put out 8 albums with fleetwood mac or solo, she worked her ass off, she had to tour for that crap too.

LikeAWillow 04-16-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan (Post 966168)
If Stevie spent 3 years promoting Bella Donna? ha,she'd have been there 'til 1984 how silly that thought would be.
Says a LOT about nowadays vs. The 'good ol days',they a2tually had to WORK hard then

Totally unheard of for a band back then to take their time in crafting a record.

Oh. Wait. Fleetwood Mac.

mezzoforte 04-16-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan (Post 966163)
I like FW enough, but the fact that she's been riding the wave of the one album for 3 years is absolutely ridiculous.She hasn't proven herself yet imo.
Also,the fact that she's heard IYD already shows how 'in' with the industry she's become.
+Wtf was she doing at the Oscars? So out of place.Everyone of those industry brown-nosers can go s*ck a d*ck

First of all, no need to say that last bit about any artist. That's pretty crude, especially about a musician you claim to like well enough. I would hate to see what you have to say about the ones you really dislike...

And I'm not seeing how having heard IYD makes her some repulsive brown-noser. The fact that she was at the Oscars and in RS and able to comment on the musicians who have inspired her means that she's more of a presence in the music world than she was before. She's gotten attention for a number of reasons, but mainly for her talent. So yes, she's receiving more exposure. But why is that criminal? Should she be required to shun the music industry? Why would she want to? What purpose would that serve?
By all means, judge her if it becomes clear she's compromising her music and integrity for the industry. But until that happens, I really can't imagine what there is to complain about.

Jondalar 04-16-2011 06:12 PM

I just find it really funny that Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Florence Welch.... haven't found new heroes like Sheryl Crow, Alanis Morrisette or Melissa Ethridge. I mean they are still using Stevie Nicks. She is still standing the test of time. I think it's major. She is being kept alive by these people and hopefully, when people hear this next album, she will even influence more people. I mean come on people. It's 2011. I can see how Stevie influenced Sheryl Crow because she is just a generation away, but we are talking a new crop of girls that should be building on Crow and Ethridge. It's sorta amazing.

Bryan 04-16-2011 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mezzoforte (Post 966180)
First of all, no need to say that last bit about any artist. That's pretty crude, especially about a musician you claim to like well enough. I would hate to see what you have to say about the ones you really dislike...

And I'm not seeing how having heard IYD makes her some repulsive brown-noser. The fact that she was at the Oscars and in RS and able to comment on the musicians who have inspired her means that she's more of a presence in the music world than she was before. She's gotten attention for a number of reasons, but mainly for her talent. So yes, she's receiving more exposure. But why is that criminal? Should she be required to shun the music industry? Why would she want to? What purpose would that serve?
By all means, judge her if it becomes clear she's compromising her music and integrity for the industry. But until that happens, I really can't imagine what there is to complain about.

Lots actually. The new batch,especially the Brit girls are heavily marketed.The whole setup is paper thin.
Remember Amy Winehouse?. . .5 years since that infamous record.Truly chewed up and spat out.Will she finish that 3rd album? Will anyone care?
They're trying to put Ellie Goulding out there now in the States when she should really be in the studio.
They all know they're on borrowed time in the business so are milking it for all their ONE record's worth.By all means carry on ladies. . . .I won't be missing 'em.
In my honest opinion Florence has already blown it,so I feel perfectly entitled to express that.:)

Christopher 04-16-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 966183)
I just find it really funny that Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Florence Welch.... haven't found new heroes like Sheryl Crow, Alanis Morrisette or Melissa Ethridge. I mean they are still using Stevie Nicks. She is still standing the test of time. I think it's major. She is being kept alive by these people and hopefully, when people hear this next album, she will even influence more people. I mean come on people. It's 2011. I can see how Stevie influenced Sheryl Crow because she is just a generation away, but we are talking a new crop of girls that should be building on Crow and Ethridge. It's sorta amazing.

It just goes to prove how uniquely original and talented Stevie Nicks is. The new female rockers of the late 80's and 90's were extension's of the 60's & 70's female influence,: Grace Slick, Janis Joplin, Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, Stevie Nicks, Patti Smith, The Runaways, Debbie Harry, Heart. Pat Benatar. All these ladies were completely unique and deeply talented, that everyone after has been borrowing bits and pieces. I'm not the least bit surprised that today's female artists are still looking back 2 or 3 generations still. I don't think that 10 to 15 year explosion of original female talent will ever be topped again. The references will continue and only grow deeper once Stevie has passed beyond this world. And female rockers/singers will continue to explore Stevie's flawed but undeniable huge impact & influence in varying degrees for decades to come.

Jondalar 04-16-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan (Post 966195)
Lots actually. The new batch,especially the Brit girls are heavily marketed.The whole setup is paper thin.
Remember Amy Winehouse?. . .5 years since that infamous record.Truly chewed up and spat out.Will she finish that 3rd album? Will anyone care?
They're trying to put Ellie Goulding out there now in the States when she should really be in the studio.
They all know they're on borrowed time in the business so are milking it for all their ONE record's worth.By all means carry on ladies. . . .I won't be missing 'em.
In my honest opinion Florence has already blown it,so I feel perfectly entitled to express that.:)

You know you are right again. Adele is now the next great import from Britain and I have heard that her album is not that special. I like her voice, but we have heard her songs before. She is being setup for grammies right now.

tbaker3 04-16-2011 06:48 PM

I think the brit artist are different because they still actually craft music. The reason they're not successful is because in the US we're so, "follow up right now." I swear Britney's next album is probably already written and planned out. I love the english bands. They work MUCH harder than our most popular artists.

And with Amy W... well after a song like Rehab, who DIDN'T see her going off the deep end. Adele is solid, and even if her time in the US is limited, I think she'll still thrive in her home market.

Bryan 04-16-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 966198)
You know you are right again. Adele is now the next great import from Britain and I have heard that her album is not that special. I like her voice, but we have heard her songs before. She is being setup for grammies right now.

Thank you. Yes indeed I forgot to mention her.
My goodness,that is truly outrageous.They've even plastered her on the cover of Rolling Stone I gather . . leaves me truly shocked at the stunts they'll pull to invent a lore around an artist

Christopher 04-16-2011 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 966198)
You know you are right again. Adele is now the next great import from Britain and I have heard that her album is not that special. I like her voice, but we have heard her songs before. She is being setup for grammies right now.

Adele is another example of influences that cannot be denied. She is refreshing in the current pop market, but thats not saying much. She borrows a little from Dusty, some Laura Nyro , and a bit of Carole King and some Stax Records. I wonder if her influences are organically intentional or she or her label/producers have done their homework to push her in that direction. Either way, Adele is definitely being groomed. Florence comes across as being a little more organically influenced than Adele, but others are right, Florence still has a lot to prove with her next outing. Time will tell.

Jondalar 04-16-2011 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher (Post 966203)
Adele is another example of influences that cannot be denied. She is refreshing in the current pop market, but thats not saying much. She borrows a little from Dusty, some Laura Nyro , and a bit of Carole King and some Stax Records. I wonder if her influences are organically intentional or she or her label/producers have done their homework to push her in that direction. Either way, Adele is definitely being groomed. Florence comes across as being a little more organically influenced than Adele, but others are right, Florence still has a lot to prove with her next outing. Time will tell.

Is Adele writing her own songs. I could give two turds about singers. I think they are great musicians but I want singer/songwriters to make a comeback. To me singer/songwriters are artists and great singers are just great musicians.

I liked Chasing Pavements and her new song is nice, but she is not blowing me out of the water. Florence seems to be more of the real thing to me

P.S. I hate to sound negative about Adele because I'm sure she is a nice person.

Christopher 04-16-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 966206)
Is Adele writing her own songs. I could give two turds about singers. I think they are great musicians but I want singer/songwriters to make a comeback. To me singer/songwriters are artists and great singers are just great musicians.

I liked Chasing Pavements and her new song is nice, but she is not blowing me out of the water. Florence seems to be more of the real thing to me

P.S. I hate to sound negative about Adele because I'm sure she is a nice person.

She does, but her label insisted 21(Adele's 2nd record) be heavily co-written with a bumper crop of the new latest hitmaker/songwriters of the moment to make sure the record was a good as it got. She's absolutely, not so subtly, being groomed. :cool: And it's working, thanks in large part to an audience starving for something sounding not artifically produced.;)

Jondalar 04-16-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher (Post 966212)
She does, but her label insisted 21(Adele's 2nd record) be heavily co-written with a bumper crop of the new latest hitmaker/songwriters of the moment to make sure the record was a good as it got. She's absolutely, not so subtly, being groomed. :cool: And it's working, thanks in large part to an audience starving for something sounding not artifically produced.;)

In other words her songs are pooh and she is surrounded by a team of hit making writers. As far authenticity, is that Britians claim to fame. They said the same thing about Duffy and Amy Whinehouse. Borrowing from the past doesn't make you an original or authentic. It looks like Adele is following the same RETRO path as Duffy and Amy Whinehouse for success.

mikebise 04-16-2011 07:22 PM

She's no Lene Lovich.

At least her stamp of approval wins over the faux artsy wannabes! Now they're "allowed" to like Stevie!

mikebise 04-16-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 966217)
In other words her songs are pooh and she is surrounded by a team of hit making writers. As far authenticity, is that Britians claim to fame. They said the same thing about Duffy and Amy Whinehouse. Borrowing from the past doesn't make you an original or authentic. It looks like Adele is following the same RETRO path as Duffy and Amy Whinehouse.

Mark your calendars! The stars HAVE aligned! I agree with 100% of a Jondalar post!!! ;)

Especially about that Amy Whinehouse who FOOLED all of you in 2007~2008 into proclaiming her as the saviour of Music ~ LOL!!!!!!! :lol:

Christopher 04-16-2011 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mikebise (Post 966219)
She's no Lene Lovich.

At least her stamp of approval wins over the faux artsy wannabes! Now they're "allowed" to like Stevie!

Now there's an original authentic blast from the past! And don't forget Laurie Anderson & Grace Jones.:xoxo:

mikebise 04-16-2011 07:33 PM

"It's you...
ONLY YOU...

Mein schmerz........."

I had to ask my German grandmother what that meant in 1984.

"I'm losing my heart for you
Now i'm about to lose my life... mein schmerz..."

I'd start veering into "Excellent Birds" territory, but you KNOW that I'm not perfect (BUT~ I'm perfect... FOR YOU!), so I'd better keep this from slipping into Chit Chat!

I wish I knew my German better to translate Nina Hagen's "Zarah"........ :woohoo:

mikebise 04-16-2011 07:43 PM

Ooh, and Alicia just posted on my Facebook page a link to clips from Kate Bush's new album:

http://angiezwrites.tumblr.com/post/...-all-the-songs

Talk about ORIGINALITY!!!!!!

And veering even further into chit chat... Hey, Stevie & Kate have released several albums near the same time:

Hounds Of Love and Rock A Little ~ 1985
The Other Side Of The Mirror and The Sensual World ~ 1989
In Your Dreams May 3, 2011 and Director's Cut May 17, 2011

And Street Angel was supposed to be released in Fall of 1993, when The Red Shoes was released. And even The Red Shoes had to go back and get tweaked, because the US record company wasn't happy with it that Summer.

GoldDustOrphan 04-16-2011 08:15 PM

In defense of Adele, she was the sole writer on 7 out of 12 songs on her first CD, co-writer on the rest, plus one Bob Dylan cover. 19 sold millions worldwide and her tour was a sell-out. She won two Grammy Awards: Best New Artist and Best Female Pop Vocal. I've seen her twice in concert and she's absolutely incredible and really personable and funny.

On her new CD, the first to pass the million mark this year, she wrote the lyrics and collaborated on the music with a handful of writers. Pat Benatar, Heart, Aretha, Joan Jett, etc. all benefited from the contributions of hit songwriters.

Is she being groomed for superstardom? Yes, she is. Everyone with potential for long-term success is groomed, and their "brand" (I hate writing that, but it is the music business) is developed. Part of that is building an image and shaping public perception.

What is gross is how LiveNation is exploiting her success by holding back tickets and selling them on the secondary market. Her upcoming show at House of Blues in Boston - where I live - sold out in minutes. Capacity is 2,500. Tickets were $27 and impossible to get. The same day they went on sale, hundreds were posted on secondary sites linked to Ticketmaster. On StubHub and eBay, the lowest price is $350 a ticket. Most are $600.

Christopher 04-16-2011 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldDustOrphan (Post 966253)
In defense of Adele, she was the sole writer on 7 out of 12 songs on her first CD, co-writer on the rest, plus one Bob Dylan cover. 19 sold millions worldwide and her tour was a sell-out. She won two Grammy Awards: Best New Artist and Best Female Pop Vocal. I've seen her twice in concert and she's absolutely incredible and really personable and funny.

On her new CD, the first to pass the million mark this year, she wrote the lyrics and collaborated on the music with a handful of writers. Pat Benatar, Heart, Aretha, Joan Jett, etc. all benefited from the contributions of hit songwriters.

I like Adele, Her label very smartly had her collaborate on her 2nd record to capitalize on her Grammy win and momentum she was building after her 1st record, as well as her long term career. And it looks like it's all paying off handsomely! I have tickets to see Adele at a small theatre late May here in Denver, tickets were dirt cheap and I cannot wait. It will be my 1st time seeing her "live" and I'm totally expecting a knock down performance, I cannot wait.:angel: But I must admit, I am suffering a little Adele fatigue, She's becoming so overexposed.


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