Dave Stewart will produce next Mac album?
 

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Stevie tells Lindsey she will never make another album without Dave Stewart. So if there will be another Fleetwood Mac album, it will be with Dave Stewart... as producer? as co-writer of songs? band member?

Or she could've been joking.

I'm sure the Eurythmics fans are celebrating.

And, Dave did say LB doing the song with Stevie on her album was an "experiement"...

I've wondered the same thing though. Stevie has been insisting in every interview she's told Lindsey she won't do another album without Dave, so it appears that would mean a Fleetwood Mac album.

I have to say that I don't quite totally understand her stance regarding her music not being changed. If none of her songs were ever changed think about that. "Rhiannon" and almost everything else would be these long drawn out piano ballads... So, she really didn't like Lindsey adding rock guitar to "Rhiannon"? Stevie-speak. During the interviews for The Dance she was singing his praises about how "beautiful" he made her songs...

Tsk, tsk...

But, I think adding another producer would cut down on the time that they have to spend doing it.

But on the 2003 album, he & his crew screwed up big time.

That sums up her feelings on the matter. As Lindsey said in the interview posted this week in ref to expectations of the Mac sound: "I’ve done pretty well at undermining that over the years."

Let's not undervalue the impact of Glenn Ballard on this album.

Stewart may have some great ideas (per Stevie) and they may get a long well, but Ballard is the guy with the succesful track record in the studio, I've gotta believe he's doing way more behind the scenes than Stewart.

Truthfully, I just can't see this happening beginning to end. Lindsey likes being in the kitchen too much. He likes crafting and carefully controlling the sound of the band. They may start out making the album with Dave Stewart, but I can 100% guarantee you they won't finish the album with Dave in charge ;).

Right. I mean, I think the concept is they need a moderator and facilitator up in there. The evidence suggests Dave might fit that.

I think its just Stevie taking an opportunity to slam Lindsey~Its that private battle that just never ends~ I think we all have that with someone.

Perhaps. But will she take it all the way to the making of a new Mac record?

You are correct, he did.

I think Dave would really streamline the process of making a Fleetwood Mac record. He would do what is best for the project and not let his or anyone elses ego get in the way.

I agree with this.

This. :nod: I've read so much of the same kind of nastiness from her directed at something he did, whether to her songs, during a tour, or just any time at all in the late 1970s that it's just more of the same. :shrug:

Maybe she'll get what she wants. I don't really care as long as I get more Lindsey music. :)

Well we know they've both mentioned working with an outside producer. I wouldn't be surprised if Dave Stewart has been chosen as The Man. I will have to hear Stevie's album to fully judge what I think about Dave producing FM.

Of course, that might not be dispositive. Dave has produced for a variety of people and even if I didn't like IYD that doesn't mean a colloboration between Dave and Lindsey wouldn't be different and promising, so . . .

Yes, I can believe Stevie said that to Lindsey and that she was serious and that he didn't object (because he wants another group album and will compromise to get it). But obviously David's input will be different working with Lindsey and the band than it was working with Stevie alone.

Michele

Right. Because then Dave's got three other guys to get approval from. And, I can just see Stevie, being the "peacekeeper" that she is (ha!) throwing up her hands and saying "fine nevermind, Dave is fired" and then we'll get to hear about how much SHE wanted Dave, but Lindsey couldn't leave his ego at the door and how wicked, evil, mean and nasty he is and in order for the world to have one more Fleetwood Mac album which the world needed so desperately badly, she had to be the one to sacrifice and let Lindsey win...

haha, that's funny, there being a "next Mac album".

Over/under of newly recorded commercially released songs as "Fleetwood Mac" from this point onward? I set it at 2.5.

I honestly think she's saying this (and more than once) to emphasize just how much she's loved working with Dave and how proud she is of their work together. I would definitely not take her literally and imply that FM would not make another record unless Dave worked on it. That's just silly. She may want that but knows this would have to be discussed with the other band members who would not necessarily agree. She's talking out of her a**.

Maybe. But, she has said she told Lindsey she wasn't doing another album - Fleetwood Mac or other unless Dave was producing... :shrug: And, they've been talking about bringing someone else in anyway...

[QUOTE=SapphireSister;945783]I honestly think she's saying this (and more than once) to emphasize just how much she's loved working with Dave and how proud she is of their work together. I would definitely not take her literally and imply that FM would not make another record unless Dave worked on it. That's just silly. She may want that but knows this would have to be discussed with the other band members who would not necessarily agree. She's talking out of her a**.[/QUOTE]

As usual :laugh:

A voice of reason! Sadly me and you seem to be forgetting that Stevie is totally serious any time she says anything... :laugh:

It's possible she'll change her mind, but I think she meant it. She'll change her mind when the album flops.

For so many decades now, she's been a puzzle. She appears most of the time to have no outwardly emotional or artistic reason to remain a member of Fleetwood Mac, & yet she never just flat-out leaves the band, either.

What the hell does she actually want with or from them? Is the little insecure girl inside still looking for acceptance from them?

There is neurosis at work here (in her words & actions), but I can't quite characterize it satisfactorily.

But I will say that, if she were a genuinely good songwriter, she'd get classic, powerful songs out of this schizoidness. The fact that she doesn't, year after year, is just one more reason for me to doubt her self-professed artistry. That, too, is beginning to seem like a neurosis working itself out.

She'd make a fascinating subject of a book--written by a real writer. You're all always saying how you're looking forward to Stevie's own book, but that would be as lifeless & noncommittal & even inert as most of her music-making is these days. We'll never get a great book from her; but maybe one day we'll get a great book about her. The mistake her fans make is ascribing their attraction to her to the belief that she's the Da Vinci--she is not, but she is the Mona Lisa.

^I just said all of the exact same things on the Stevie board, David... and I was jumped all over! :laugh: Like I said on the Stevie board, nearly debilitating insecurity is most certainly the root cause of all of Stevie's... Stevieness :p. She really wasn't taken seriously at all within the band for her first 10-15 years. And I honestly think she's been making them repay that the past 10-15 years. She gets an obscene cut of the touring money. She badmouths Lindsey and the band in the press every chance she can get. She almost seems like somebody who's trying too hard at a high school reunion when it comes to Fleetwood Mac.

Regardless, I'm really not sure adding Dave Stewart into the mix would be the answer. I think it needs to be somebody with a clean slate. Nobody who is automatically on either Stevie's or Lindsey's sides. Nobody who has a history with the band or their members. Because Lindsey will feel pushed into a corner by Stevie's henchman if not, and will rebel. Then we may have no album at all... or even worse: a bad one.

See, i don't think the fact that Stevie likes working w/ Dave automatically means he would be on any member's side when it comes to FM, and that he has no ego (even if Stevie keeps repeating that, which I find somewhat disrespectful to Dave, although she seems to mean it as a positive thing, i guess to underline some other people she created music with were egomaniacs:p). Dave is respected artist in his own right, and has, is and can work with a number of other artists; calling him Stevie's henchman is grossly belittling him, imo.

I think there is alot to be said about Mick, John & Christine. Has anyone heard them bitch about each other the way Lindsey & Stevie do - No, they just want to make great music.

Every interview Stevie does their is some dig at Lindsey but at the same time any interview with Lindsey he keeps going on about the Mac being a "big machine" blah blah snore....This really irritates me because when has Lindsey ever had to change his style to accomodate a Mac album - Never !!

His songs on Tusk/Mirage/Tango/Say You Will are hardly what you would call mainstream. Ironically the most mainstream Lindsey has ever done is Out of the Cradle - His bloody SOLO album.

*And breathe*

Stevie really has not been badmouthing Lindsey in her recent interviews.

End of FM?
 

I think if IYD turns out to be a success, you might see the end of FM if Lindsey (or Mick) are not so hot to have Dave produce. And personally, unless they can bring Christine back in to do a few songs and backing vocals, I think Stevie and Lindsey should stick to their solo projects. After all, GOS and TISL were both better than SYW.

So many interesting points have been raised. First, a point of clarification: I do not believe Dave Stewart would just be a mindless drone who is loyal only to Stevie Nicks. But the reality is, Fleetwood Mac is all about fragile, battling egos. Lindsey would no doubt feel threatened by Dave being there. Lindsey has always felt the world is against him in regards to his post Rumours experimentations. He talked about how he felt the entire band undermined him even during SYW. I think Lindsey would just feel ganged up on by Stevie bringing in Dave Stewart into the mix. I'm not saying it's logical at all :).

That's true. She hasn't said anything since the Unleashed tour ended, indicating that that must have been an ok experience for her.

Also, I wouldn't expect Dave to be on Stevie's side Louie. Rather than cater to her, Dave seems to have drawn Stevie out. If anything, he knows how to butter her up, so that doing something that she would reflexively resist is easier for her. I could see him colloborating with both equally, but in different ways. If he appears to have no ego, he might not bother Lindsey. Lindsey can work with people fine, as long as they aren't telling him what to do. If they offer suggestions and not orders, he can bend -- although not exactly like a willow. Dave could be the spoonful of sugar that makes Lindsey's medicine go down, for Stevie and vice versa.

Michele

Didn't I hear that Lindsey said if there is another FM album, they would bring in an outside producer? Maybe not neccesarily Dave S., but an outside producer nonetheless. Of course this producer would have to get along with the 4 Mac members.

And, under those circumstances Lindsey might actually welcome Dave with open arms. Of course, the question is how long can Dave go without ruffling her feathers, because I think eventually everyone does.

I could see having this much fuss if these guys were actually creative anymore... I would so much love to see them stop bitching and whining and make a solid album of 50 min of new music. Sit down, write some tunes together, rehearse, record.. dare I say in a reasonable amount of time... Tour the new album, change the setlist nightly.. and say.. "thank you for still having interest in us."

Wow. I LIKE that. :thumbsup: The most rational idea anyone has had in eons...or ever!

Agreed. The reason why Fleetwood Mac's music has degraded over the decades is because they don't just throw the BS out the window and sit down and get to work in a reasonable fashion. The '75 Mac album is just sublime, and it was completed in what, 2 months flat? I think they just need to check their egos and neuroses at the door, sit down, and focus on making d@mn good music. Stop tweaking the life and soul out of it for 18 months straight. I think the band still has it in them to make fantastic music. They just need to adjust the way they work. Walk in the door with a clean slate, and leave having collaborated with each other. It's really quite simple...

^Exactly. Why analyze every move to death and then overreact. Get over yourselves!

You know most of what you wrote could actually happen, but then you through in that part of about changing the setlist nightly. That's where you went totally off the reality rails:laugh:.

Michele

We should pay to have Dave Stewart involved for his twitter action alone. We'd get weekly tidbits about the album's progress, not to mention an occasional photo or two. We'd have an inside window into Fleetwood Mac that the band would never give us.

Well, they might give us some kind of DR thing after the fact, but they wouldn't give us zip as far as contemporaneous updates go.

And sense our own guys might not be inclined to repeat Destiny Rules, having Dave would ensure us a dvd too.

So, we might get a crummy album, but the back stage glimpses might almost make up for that, in my warped book.

Michele

Hello Michele: Are we sure that Dave Stewart can't produce a good Mac cd? I believe he might be just what the band needs to stimulate the creative juices. Am i totally out in left field? Please say a little more on this subject. Best regards, Madelow.

I hadn't considered that. Brilliant.

Your typos concern me though. Drinking and Ledging?