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MacShadowsBall 11-22-2010 01:06 PM

DISCUSSION: Other Lindsey songs not already considered
 
Okay, Ledgies time to nominate up to 10 songs for a poll. The songs must be Fleetwood Mac songs written/performed by Lindsey. Songs from greatest hits, B-sides, new songs from a live record are eligible.

No demos, no solo recordings, no songs from Buckingham Nicks album.

vivfox 11-22-2010 01:15 PM

Monday Morning
I'm So Afraid
The Ledge
Save Me A Place
What Makes You Think You're The One
That's All For Everyone
That's Enough For Me
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk
Caroline

MacShadowsBall 11-22-2010 01:24 PM

vivfox, all those songs you listed have already been done in previous polls. We're looking for his FM songs that weren't on the official studio albums. Songs from greatest hits, B-sides, Live recordings of new songs are eligible. :D

HejiraNYC 11-22-2010 01:26 PM

"You and I Part I"
"Down Endless Street"
"Oh Well" (live 1980)
"Cool Water"
"Make Me a Mask"
"Book of Miracles" (co-writing credit)
"Bleed to Love Her"
"My Little Demon"

chiliD 11-22-2010 01:28 PM

I nominate these:

Down Endless Street
Book Of Miracles
You & I, Part 1
Cool Water
Goodbye Angel
Teen Beat
Make Me A Mask
Bleed To Love Her
(the live version, but the studio version will probably be included in Say You Will, so never mind)
My Little Demon
(if they aren't included for The Dance)

HejiraNYC 11-22-2010 01:35 PM

D'oh! Of course... "Goodbye Angel," perhaps my favorite Lindsey song of all time. This could have been the great Lindsey single from Mirage, not the cloyingly retro "Oh Diane."

MacShadowsBall 11-22-2010 02:02 PM

So far we have eligible...
1. You & I Part 1
2. Down Endless Street
3. Cool Water
4. Make Me a Mask
5. My Little Demon
6. Goodbye Angel
7. Teen Beat

No sure about...
"Book of Miracles" since its an instrumental.

"Oh Well" since it is Peter song, yet Lindsey interpretation on a official FM release

"Bleed to Love Her" - 2 versions; the Dance version and the Say You Will version ; similiar to "Silver Springs", with 2 fairly different versions of the songs.

HejiraNYC 11-22-2010 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 923307)
So far we have eligible...
1. You & I Part 1
2. Down Endless Street
3. Cool Water
4. Make Me a Mask
5. My Little Demon
6. Goodbye Angel
7. Teen Beat

No sure about...
"Book of Miracles" since its an instrumental.

"Oh Well" since it is Peter song, yet Lindsey interpretation on a official FM release

"Bleed to Love Her" - 2 versions; the Dance version and the Say You Will version ; similiar to "Silver Springs", with 2 fairly different versions of the songs.

I think "Oh Well" should be included. After all, wasn't "Blue Letter" included in the White Album round? That song wasn't written by Lindsey either. If Lindsey covered a Britney Spears song on a studio album, wouldn't that be up for inclusion? It's the same thing... Oh, and speaking of songs nobody wrote, what shall we do with "Kiss and Run" from the Tusk Deluxe edition?

If you are not including "Book of Miracles" because it's an instrumental, then you may as well cut "Teen Beat" as well since it doesn't contain any words. And "Albatross" should be cut from any other rounds as well for the same reason.

Oh, and what about "Doesn't Anything Last" from the Rumours Deluxe Edition bonus disc?

chiliD 11-22-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 923321)
I think "Oh Well" should be included. After all, wasn't "Blue Letter" included in the White Album round? That song wasn't written by Lindsey either. If Lindsey covered a Britney Spears song on a studio album, wouldn't that be up for inclusion? It's the same thing... Oh, and speaking of songs nobody wrote, what shall we do with "Kiss and Run" from the Tusk Deluxe edition?

If you are not including "Book of Miracles" because it's an instrumental, then you may as well cut "Teen Beat" as well since it doesn't contain any words. And "Albatross" should be cut from any other rounds as well for the same reason.

Oh, and what about "Doesn't Anything Last" from the Rumours Deluxe Edition bonus disc?

I'm with ya except for "Oh Well'. Then we'd need to include Billy & Rick's version since it was the B-side of the "As Long As You Follow" single.

MacShadowsBall 11-22-2010 06:34 PM

Update
 
"Oh Well" isn't eligible. :sorry:

I'll add "Book of Miracles", "Kiss and Run", and "Doesn't Anything Last."

"Bleed to Love Her" is on the Say You Will discussion/poll.

So now the updated list is...

1. You & I Part 1
2. Down Endless Street
3. Cool Water
4. Make Me a Mask
5. My Little Demon
6. Goodbye Angel
7. Teen Beat
8. Book of Miracles
9. Kiss and Run
10. Doesn't Anything Last

Looks like 10 songs...

Add one, remove one? :shrug:

chiliD 11-22-2010 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 923369)
"Oh Well" isn't eligible. :sorry:

I concur! :thumbsup: (that's what I was getting at with my previous post)

MacShadowsBall 11-22-2010 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 923379)
I concur! :thumbsup: (that's what I was getting at with my previous post)

yeah if we count Lindsey's version of "Oh Well" then we'll need to count any other versions. i.e. Billy and Ricks. It makes things more complicated that what they need to be. I've already done enough of that!!:laugh:

Besides "Oh Well" won favorite Then Play On song, so its moving on in the battle, anyway.

chiliD 11-22-2010 07:12 PM

Although...once this is over and you've had time to relax. It would be fun to have a "Battle of the live "Oh Well"s".

Live from Boston Tea Party 1970 (Peter Green & Danny Kirwan)
Live from Seattle 1972 (Bob Welch & Danny Kirwan) 1972
Live from LA Record Plant (Bob Welch) 1974
Live from Trod Nossel Studio (early Lindsey Buckingham) 1975
Live from St Louis 1980 (mid Lindsey Buckingham)
Live from Oakland 1982 (last Lindsey Buckingham)
Live from San Francisco 1987 (Billy Burnette & Rick Vito)
Live from Chicago 1994 (Billy Burnette & Bekka Bramlett w/ Dave Mason)
Live from ?? 2008 (the return of Lindsey Buckingham)

MacShadowsBall 11-22-2010 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 923385)
Although...once this is over and you've had time to relax. It would be fun to have a "Battle of the live "Oh Well"s".

Live from Boston Tea Party 1970 (Peter Green & Danny Kirwan)
Live from Seattle 1972 (Bob Welch & Danny Kirwan) 1972
Live from LA Record Plant (Bob Welch) 1974
Live from Trod Nossel Studio (early Lindsey Buckingham) 1975
Live from St Louis 1980 (mid Lindsey Buckingham)
Live from Oakland 1982 (last Lindsey Buckingham)
Live from San Francisco 1987 (Billy Burnette & Rick Vito)
Live from Chicago 1994 (Billy Burnette & Bekka Bramlett w/ Dave Mason)
Live from ?? 2008 (the return of Lindsey Buckingham)


Wow that's a lot of "Oh Wells". :nod: Even the Time era covered Oh Well.

vivfox 11-22-2010 08:38 PM

The Joni Mitchell cover(pave paradise and put up a parking lot)I forgot the title

Doing What I Can

Cool Water

Make Me A Mask

Tusk(25 years The Chain remix)

Mandingo

MissLadyLoki 11-22-2010 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 923385)
Although...once this is over and you've had time to relax. It would be fun to have a "Battle of the live "Oh Well"s".

Live from Boston Tea Party 1970 (Peter Green & Danny Kirwan)
Live from Seattle 1972 (Bob Welch & Danny Kirwan) 1972
Live from LA Record Plant (Bob Welch) 1974
Live from Trod Nossel Studio (early Lindsey Buckingham) 1975
Live from St Louis 1980 (mid Lindsey Buckingham)
Live from Oakland 1982 (last Lindsey Buckingham)
Live from San Francisco 1987 (Billy Burnette & Rick Vito)
Live from Chicago 1994 (Billy Burnette & Bekka Bramlett w/ Dave Mason)
Live from ?? 2008 (the return of Lindsey Buckingham)

Please don't bite my head off when I say this or think I'm ignorant, but I'm against this Oh Well contest cause it's mostly made up of bootlegs most people (including myself) haven't really heard at all and probably never will.

aleuzzi 11-22-2010 10:43 PM

All you need to hear is Oh Well on Then Play On, The Tea Party Set, the BBC recordings, and FM live (1980).

Lindsey does a very good job, kinda-campy with it, but in truth Peter Green's performances of it are beyond compare.

Bob Welch does a good version, too, but you'd have to go to the bootlegs. Again, Peter's versions are by far and away the best.

TrueFaith77 11-22-2010 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 923369)
9. Kiss and Run
10. Doesn't Anything Last

Should not be included. Demos don't count.

MacShadowsBall 11-22-2010 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 923453)
Kiss and Run, Doesn't Anything Last... should not be included. Demos don't count.

Yeah those are demos. I'll remove them from this poll. Still gives us 8 songs!

MissLadyLoki 11-23-2010 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 923445)
All you need to hear is Oh Well on Then Play On, The Tea Party Set, the BBC recordings, and FM live (1980).

Lindsey does a very good job, kinda-campy with it, but in truth Peter Green's performances of it are beyond compare.

Bob Welch does a good version, too, but you'd have to go to the bootlegs. Again, Peter's versions are by far and away the best.

Greenie's should be cause he did do the original after all, andf there only a few cases of where a cover was better than the original (Manfred Mann's cover of Blinded by the Light, Linda Ronstadt and Van Halen's covers of You're No Good, etc.). I have heard Bucky's version and I have to say that it's different and good in it's own way, but I like the studio recording I heard of Greenie's best.

And as for bootleg getting, I feel kinda strange getting 'em sometimes, especially from torrents (I heard problems with 'em taking up memory and, in my uncle's case, wrecking his computer), so I guess I'll give those a listen, which i know I can find on Napster.

elle 11-24-2010 10:53 AM

I know this is probably too late, but since acoustic Go Insane is on the Dance, should it be considered?

HejiraNYC 11-24-2010 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 923731)
I know this is probably too late, but since acoustic Go Insane is on the Dance, should it be considered?

Actually it's not... it's on The Very Best of.... I would think it shouldn't count simply because it's a solo song performed in a solo manner.

MacShadowsBall 11-24-2010 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 923731)
I know this is probably too late, but since acoustic Go Insane is on the Dance, should it be considered?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 923734)
Actually it's not... it's on The Very Best of.... I would think it shouldn't count simply because it's a solo song performed in a solo manner.

"Go Insane" is not eligible just as "Stand Back" won't be eligible for Stevie. Those aren't Fleetwood Mac songs.

Actually I never understood why FM perform those songs anyway. Isn't there enough FM material to perform? :shrug:

HejiraNYC 11-24-2010 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 923741)

Actually I never understood why FM perform those songs anyway. Isn't there enough FM material to perform? :shrug:

It's probably because Stevie needed an uptempo, high-energy rocker to wind up the main set. That and she needs a song with an intro that gives her ample time to adjust her girdle backstage.

elle 11-24-2010 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 923734)
Actually it's not... it's on The Very Best of....

Right, Dance DVD, The Very Best of CD.

MacShadowsBall 11-24-2010 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 923742)
It's probably because Stevie needed an uptempo, high-energy rocker to wind up the main set. That and she needs a song with an intro that gives her ample time to adjust her girdle backstage.

Sisters of the Moon? :shrug:

HejiraNYC 11-24-2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 923746)
Sisters of the Moon? :shrug:

The tempo is actually pretty sluggish compared to, say, "Go Your Own Way." I think they want to sustain a certain momentum that starts with "Tusk," then "Stand Back," then "GYOW," then "Don't Stop." Stevie just doesn't have any really uptempo songs with FM! Although I think "Everybody Finds Out" comes close, but she will sing La Boheme before she touches that one. :eek:

elle 11-24-2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 923741)
"Go Insane" is not eligible just as "Stand Back" won't be eligible for Stevie. Those aren't Fleetwood Mac songs.

While I may agree these are not FM songs, GI is on The Very Best of FM. While Stand Back is not.

HejiraNYC 11-24-2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 923750)
While I may agree these are not FM songs, GI is on The Very Best of FM. While Stand Back is not.

"Stand Back" live is on The Chain box set. I personally think "SB" has been grandfathered in as an FM standard, but rules are rules!

elle 11-24-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 923749)
Stevie just doesn't have any really uptempo songs with FM!

Yeah I was surprised about that when I finally went through Rumours-related FM and beyond catalogue, as she always seems to refer to herself in terms such as "rocking". So EO17 and Stand Back were pleasant surprise to me (I've never heard Stand Back before and didn't know EO17 was Stevie... where is that ducking and hiding icon?).

Considering Stand Back appeared to be a rare song she looked like she enjoyed doing during recent FM tours, I'd say why not?

elle 11-24-2010 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 923752)
"Stand Back" live is on The Chain box set. I personally think "SB" has been grandfathered in as an FM standard, but rules are rules!

Ah, I stand corrected again!:laugh:

But, do we count live albums? I didn't see Dance in the competition... On edit - TVBOFM is not in the competition either!

elle 11-24-2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 923752)
"Stand Back" live is on The Chain box set. I personally think "SB" has been grandfathered in as an FM standard

I'd go with that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 923752)
but rules are rules!

Aren't we making the rules of this game as we are going along?:angel:

MacShadowsBall 11-24-2010 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 923756)
But, do we count live albums? I didn't see Dance in the competition... On edit - TVBOFM is not in the competition either!

Live albums, best of albums don't count the way the studio albums count, with the detailed analysis and discussion threads. However, new songs on live albums, best of's would count. Hence the purpose of the "extra" song poll for the primary vocalists - to pick up those songs not on studio albums.

elle 11-24-2010 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 923760)
Live albums, best of albums don't count the way the studio albums count, with the detailed analysis and discussion threads. However, new songs on live albums, best of's would count. Hence the purpose of the "extra" song poll for the primary vocalists - to pick up those songs not on studio albums.

Hence, Go Insane and Stand Back should count. Unless you go with "new". And even then, for the sake of argument, The Very Best of FM came out before Bass Hall CD - and these are only CDs where acoustic Go Insane is available.

What about Love Minus Zero/No Limit?:thumbsup: It is an extra... And although Dylan's, you did count Blue Letter and Seven Wonders as Lindsey and Stevie songs, correct?


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