Favorite Bekka song from Time
 

Here's the poll for your favorite Bekka song from Time. "Dreaming the Dream," "Nothing Without You," and "Winds of Change" are your choices.

"Talking to My Heart" and "I Got It in For You" will go to Billy.

Poll closes in 4 days. :cool:

I've never heard any of these songs, therefore I shouldn't vote. Maybe that will be my next voyage - finding these songs and listening to them.

Consider yourself lucky.
Now turn away from the
computer and never, I
repeat never listen to or
seek out these songs.

ONE DAY YOU'LL THANK ME!

If you enjoy Christine, you should buy Time. She has some great songs on the album.

UP YOURS! :mad:

"Nothing Without You" is stellar and "Talkin' to My Heart" is beyond stellar. Those Mac fans who diss Time and Bekka are missing out.

Yeah I don't get all this dislike-hatred for Time. :confused: It's not a bad album, as a whole. You might not like certain songs, certain vocalist, but to label the whole album as awful, bad, etc. isn't fair. I'm not a fan of Lindsey's songs, but that doesn't mean the Tusk album is awful - it just means that I don't like his songs.

Listen to Christine's songs and then turn it off :lol:


I don't like Dave's songs either, don't worry ;)

Time is a pretty good album. I have to say though, even though I generally like Christine, her songs on this album are blaaand and dull. "I Do" is ok, but please spare me "Nights in Estoril" and so on. I like Bekka's stuff, and I like her voice, but then I'm not clouded by that sad ol' Stevie blindness :rolleyes:

"Talkin' to My Heart" is excellent, as is "Winds of Change". If somebody can't take the songs at face value, then it's their loss.

I voted for Dreaming The Dream. I don't have a particular reason why I prefer it over the other songs, I just do.

Matt

Say what?

I'm just trying to keep it real.

"Real"?? What a bunch of bull%(*&.

You're a "hater". Simple as that. Another effing Time hater...and you call yourself a Fleetwood Mac fan?? A pox upon you. But only a SMALLpox. :mad:

I've had my shot, so I'm going to be fine.

As far as hating TIME, well...

My hate is more for it weakening
the Fleetwood Mac Brand.
It certainly did them no favors.

But as I said, I do like Bekka's
Winds Of Change.

"The Fleetwood Mac Brand" was ruined in February 1977. Time had NOTHING to do with it.

I'd rather have any Fleetwood Mac that no Fleetwood Mac at all!! :nod:

Bless you!:nod:

I'm not saying it is because of Lindsey & Stevie...it's because of the whole Rumours phenomena. It DID ruin Fleetwood Mac. What album have they played at least 6 songs from in every concert since? It's like their creativity got stuck in the La Brea Tar Pits once that album took off. Tusk was only a reaction to Rumours...meant to be "the anti-Rumours" not a creative statement on its own. Everything they did was an attempt to either re-create or create the "anti-" Rumours...even after a change in personnel, they couldn't let it go, which would've been the INTELLIGENT and HEALTHY thing to do, but no. AND, in so doing, all the "Fleetwood Mac faithful" (except some of us who AVOIDED the "kool-aid" like the plague) just fell right in line with the "Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey or Stevie isn't Fleetwood Mac" which is bull**** because there was a Fleetwood Mac before them and after them...they weren't the "be all/end all" of Fleetwood Mac, you all have just been brainwashed into BELIEVING they were/are/will always be like lemmings. God forbid the first one goes over the cliff...you'll all follow mindlessly.

No Peter, Lindsey or Stevie = no mac.

I wish Christine wouldn't have participated
with this album. Then maybe, just maybe
they would have used a different band name.

Like....The Unknowns.

Lemmings don't jump over cliffs. That's a fallacy created by Disney. And one person's opinion shouldn't be shouted down like that. We're all entitled to them. Just as you, quite clearly, hold tightly to yours.

Well this thread has gone off topic!!

I would like to see FM do a tour/show without any songs from Rumours! :eek: Doesn't have to be a whole show, but I'm curious about what songs would they do. They have some great songs that aren't on the Rumours album.

Fleetwood Mac isn't one thing, one lineup, its several, several things and several lineups, with each album and lineup bring their on flavor and style to the mix. The band started as an English Blues band, along the way morphing into several different styles and genre's. Even when Peter Green was still with em, they seemed (in my opinion) to moving into a more harder rock/blues genre.

Lastly, I like Kool-Aid. Not all flavors of Kool-Aid, but I like Kool-Aid, nonetheless.;)

(Especiallly strawberry, I hate cherry!) :)

I think Rumours has become somewhat of an unofficial soundtrack to the years following its release. In a way it's haunted them as they tried to emulate its success without actually repeating the formula, and it's up to the individual to decide whether or they were successful in doing so.

And I agree! One of the most fascinating things about Fleetwood Mac as a franchise is it's mercurial nature. It can be accused of alot of things, but dull it is not.

Strawberry is boring. Everybody knows Pop tastes better when it's a wholly unnaturally, almost radioactive shade of blue lol :p

It weakened the corporate Mac machine, which was no bad thing. Band, not brand.

You know that neither Peter, Lindsey nor Stevie would honestly agree with that, right? Mick, for one, would tell you that's BS.

Oh please :rolleyes:

You really don't think that album hurt the band
in the long run?

I bet Lindsey would agree with me.

I also think that if Mick was/is in better financial
shape that he wouldn't have used the Fleetwood
Mac name for those other bands.

This is Fleetwood Mac:

Peter
Mick
John
Christine
Lindsey
Stevie

The others are imposters.

Now that's just laughable. Jeremy Spencer is one of the founding members of the band and his live act is a big reason why Fleetwood Mac garnered success in the 60s Danny Kirwan was/is an exceptional guitarist who added depth to the band during Peter's tenure. Mick Fleetwood himself said that Bob Welch is Fleetwood Mac's most important member. If not for Bob, Fleetwood Mac may not have ever moved to America, much less survived the hostile takeover of the band's name. No Bob Welch in Fleetwood Mac equals no Lindsey or Stevie. End of story. Period. Billy and Rick were great additions to the band, but were confined and limited in their contributions. No artist can be successful when he/she is told they have to adhere to specific "rules". Bekka did a fantastic job in her time with the band, but she was put in a situation where success for the band was next to impossible. As far as Dave Walker, Bob Weston, Dave Mason and even Bob Brunning, they all dedicated themselves to the band and deserve credit for their work regardless of how long their tenure in the band was.

Fleetwood Mac is like a puzzle with 16 pieces. Regardless of however big or small each piece is, without all 16 pieces, you don't have the full puzzle.

Matt

Excellent reply but flawed. Those you mention such as Jeremy, Danny, Bob,
Billy, Rick and Bekka were pieces as you said, but they fit like a square
peg in a round hole. Most especially Billy, Rick and Bekka (which I do like
separate from Fleetwood Mac). If you look at the big picture they allowed the
band to become a joke, or a bland band. As soon as Peter left it started.

Bob gets high praise from Mick. Wonder why? Did you ever think that it might
be a jab at Lindsey. Stevie isn't the only one who throws down on him. Not that
Lindsey hasn't taken his jabs at Billy and Rick.

The names I listed are the stars of the band. The reasons the band was and is
popular. When you include all the others you might as well include the roadies
that help the Mac tour. Without them where would they be?

I can see arguing over which band was better, Peter's Fleetwood Mac or
Buckingham Nicks Fleetwood Mac. They were both so talented and different.
But the others not so much.

So for me there are two Macs (three if you count McDonalds).
I happen to like both. Hold the pickles...

Like!!!!! :D

No, in the long run, Time obviously didn't hurt the band.

The rest of your post and your other post (the small parts that made any sense at all) are obviously designed to antagonise people, so they're not worth responding to. Anyone who actually believed that stuff would clearly know almost nothing about the band, or that without the "imposters", the band would never have happened at all, and Stevie would still be waiting tables somewhere.

This is my attempt to summarize

RE: iamnotafraid

I still don't understand how one separates Danny and Jeremy from Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac--just because they stayed on after Peter left? I'm confused.

What your approach to Mac history proposes is that there are only two iconic Fleetwood Macs--and they are very much distinct, with very different m.o.'s and functions and identities. Each era also kicked off with an eponymous album, it should be noted. In this case, you actually agree with chili that Lindsey/Stevie ruined FM--in the sense that they totally changed it. However, you seem to be stretching that ruination back to Peter leaving the band with a resurrection when Lindsey/Stevie joined the band. Your argument is further bolstered by the idea that Rick, Billy, et. al. were brought in, not to function like Peter Green's conception of the band, but as replacements to carry on the AOR sound of the Rumours era. t'was folly.

However, I don't think this argument holds up. Future Games found its own following among the surfer subculture. Bare Trees had radio popularity in the Detroit market. Those are NOT second-rate records nor was it a second-rate band w/ the Danny-Christine-Bob lineup.

Mick's approach to Bob Welch is not just a hit on Lindsey; it really, I think, retains fidelity to Mick's view of the band--which is that it is an evolving thing that his main job is to keep alive (his success at that may be argued, but not really the motivation)--and that a) it might have died without Welch and b) there would have been no supernova success if it had died or it had not planted roots in the US and c) Bob moved the band's sound closer to the Rumours sound. This kinda corresponds with that motivational speaker who uses Fleetwood Mac as an example of how success doesn't come all at once, it takes time to foster the elements and success, making changes and try new things.

RE: chiliD

chili, I think, believes in this simple rule: if it's Mick & John, it's Fleetwood Mac (the law happens to agree with Chili, btw).

However, he takes his own controversial stand on the Mac history: that Lindsey/Stevie weren't just another evolutionary link in the chain--but the Rumours phenom and the Lindsey/Stevie mythology RUINED Fleetwood Mac. First of all, it dictated how they were perceived and the nature of expectations. Second of all, it made them cogs in a money-making machine which meant the freedom to change and experiment and release-as-they-recorded was no longer permissable (from the standpoint of the record execs, the managers, the artists themselves).

Consequently, even post-Lindsey Mac, for Chili, seems to hold with it the promise of a return to the band's original conception while affected by compromises to post-Rumours expectations and demands. But that reflects the band's history. Thus: it IS all Fleetwood Mac.

Winner Update
 

With 7 votes, "Winds of Change" wins Favorite Bekka song.