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SapphireSister 05-10-2010 03:13 PM

Stevie and Mick: In Her Words
 
"We were finishing the Rumours tour [in late 1977] and we had gone to Australia. One night we had a party and everybody was drunk and everybody was gone and it was just me and Mick, and we ended up spending the night together. And I fell in love with Mick and I think Mick fell in love with me. We had three weeks in Australia and 10 days in Japan to get through and then we were meeting up with all our families in Hawaii. Jenny, Mick’s wife, was there, and Paul, the man I’d been seeing, and nobody knew about me and Mick because we had been incredibly discreet. I told Paul how sorry I was and Mick told Jenny, and then we had to go to Maui and play a show. Then everybody went back to the mainland, but Mick and I stayed in Hawaii for two days and drove around the mountains and talked about what a dumb-ass thing it was that we had done and that, basically, we were not going to break up Fleetwood Mac. And we got on the plane, held hands all the way back to Los Angeles, and realized, when we got off that plane, that for all practical purposes it was over. It had its month of glory, which was fantastic and very romantic, and then when we got back to LA it was not romantic any more, it was horrifying. It should never have happened."

By Sylvie Simmons
Q Magazine (UK)
May 1, 2008

petep9000 05-10-2010 04:30 PM

I dislike that romance for some reason. It just seems icky to me somehow.

StreetAngel95 05-10-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by petep9000 (Post 889238)
I dislike that romance for some reason. It just seems icky to me somehow.

I think it's because nobody thought somebody so tiny and delicate could love somebody as giant, and with such a distinct personality as Mick. I had trouble believing this too, but after reading into the lyrics of BATB, you can really tell how Stevie felt about him.

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 05:04 PM

I wonder how that worked, I mean mechanically? :sorry:

louielouie2000 05-10-2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by StreetAngel95 (Post 889239)
I think it's because nobody thought somebody so tiny and delicate could love somebody as giant, and with such a distinct personality as Mick. I had trouble believing this too, but after reading into the lyrics of BATB, you can really tell how Stevie felt about him.

Umm, no. The relationship was creepy because they were in a band together. Stevie's recent ex of nearly a decade was also in the band. Mick was married with children. All of these people were friends. They were all traveling the world together as a group for years on end. It was just totally messed up, all of it! The affair has never struck me as genuine, either. It seemed to be fueled by ego and fame more than love or passion, too. I just have never bought into any of it, the whole story is oogie.

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 889249)
It seemed to be fueled by ego and fame

...and drugs and alcohol.

petep9000 05-10-2010 05:47 PM

Stevie was a Farrah Fawcett back then. She was like a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader, a brand-new Trans-Am with a sunroof, an ice-cold can of 'Tab' during a heat-wave. You know what I mean? She was on fire in terms of her beauty and mysterious sexuality, Mick seems many steps down compared to what she could have gotten. How could it have been worth it for her?

CADreaming 05-10-2010 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StreetAngel95 (Post 889239)
I think it's because nobody thought somebody so tiny and delicate could love somebody as giant, and with such a distinct personality as Mick. I had trouble believing this too, but after reading into the lyrics of BATB, you can really tell how Stevie felt about him.

"That electric crazy attraction between Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks never dies, never will die, never will go away...He's married, he's happy, he has three beautiful children that I love. You know, he's found a good, happy, calm, safe place — but who Lindsey and I are to each other will never change. It's over. It doesn't mean the great feeling isn't there, it must mean that ... you know, we're beauty and the beast. It means that the love is always there but we'll never be together, so that's even more romantic." ~ Stevie Nicks, 2009


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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 889249)
The affair has never struck me as genuine, either. It seemed to be fueled by ego and fame more than love or passion, too. I just have never bought into any of it, the whole story is oogie.

I agree ... fueled by cocaine ... if it's even true ...

APerfectLie 05-10-2010 06:26 PM

Six weeks in a foreign country, how the time flew. I didn't speak the language, but somehow I knew, that that would be the only time that we could be alone and foolish. We said we'd never come home.

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by APerfectLie (Post 889256)
Six weeks in a foreign country, how the time flew. I didn't speak the language, but somehow I knew, that that would be the only time that we could be alone and foolish. We said we'd never come home.

I NEVER related that lyric to this...wow! *chills*

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CADreaming (Post 889255)
"That electric crazy attraction between Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks never dies, never will die, never will go away...He's married, he's happy, he has three beautiful children that I love. You know, he's found a good, happy, calm, safe place — but who Lindsey and I are to each other will never change. It's over. It doesn't mean the great feeling isn't there, it must mean that ... you know, we're beauty and the beast. It means that the love is always there but we'll never be together, so that's even more romantic." ~ Stevie Nicks, 2009

Beauty and the Beast
written for Mick Fleetwood
inspired by the Jean Cocteau and his early French film about Beauty and the Beast
dedicated to Vincent and Katherine

tilthefirefades 05-10-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister (Post 889258)
Beauty and the Beast
written for Mick Fleetwood
inspired by the Jean Cocteau and his early French film about Beauty and the Beast
dedicated to Vincent and Katherine

You can write something for someone without it being about them. Like how she dedicates different songs to people :shrug:

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tilthefirefades (Post 889259)
You can write something for someone without it being about them. Like how she dedicates different songs to people :shrug:

That's true but I don't think she wrote a song for Mick about her and Lindsey :shrug: as someone was eluding to.

GypsyBlueEyes 05-10-2010 06:55 PM

^Agreed :)

BATB is definitely about Mick, IMO. I remember when I first heard about them being together...I was like "WTF??" He's so tall & she's so short...and he had all that facial hair YIKES!!! :lol: Over time, though, I've come to think its kind of sweet...and I love how close they are now :angel:

vivfox 05-10-2010 07:47 PM

I never found Mick Fleetwood to be attractive until last year. And I have yet to figure out why.

DashingDan 05-10-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 889273)
I never found Mick Fleetwood to be attractive until last year. And I have yet to figure out why.

Time makes you bolder.

soul_drifter333 05-10-2010 08:37 PM

Sometimes illicit sex can be so dirty!! :distress: I always thought that she meant that Mick was the beauty and she was the beast. :shrug::shrug::shrug:

Phoenix 05-10-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by APerfectLie (Post 889256)
Six weeks in a foreign country, how the time flew. I didn't speak the language, but somehow I knew, that that would be the only time that we could be alone and foolish. We said we'd never come home.

I always thought that this affair was what she was talking about.:nod:

GypsyBlueEyes 05-10-2010 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 889273)
I never found Mick Fleetwood to be attractive until last year. And I have yet to figure out why.

Well, he is a little more put together these days :p

louielouie2000 05-10-2010 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 889292)
I always thought that this affair was what she was talking about.:nod:

Hmm... but they didn't spend six weeks anywhere together. AND they were in English speaking places for their affair: Australia & Hawaii. Gotta call BS on this theory! :sorry:

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 889273)
I never found Mick Fleetwood to be attractive until last year. And I have yet to figure out why.

I'd do em lol.

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 889294)
Hmm... but they didn't spend six weeks anywhere together. AND they were in English speaking places for their affair: Australia & Hawaii. Gotta call BS on this theory! :sorry:

She was high when she wrote it so that part doesn't count, sorry Louie xo.

Phoenix 05-10-2010 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 889294)
Hmm... but they didn't spend six weeks anywhere together. AND they were in English speaking places for their affair: Australia & Hawaii. Gotta call BS on this theory! :sorry:

I WAS like the THIRD person to jump on this and STILL you Go for me>:laugh: but i love you Louie!?:o :xoxo:

GypsyBlueEyes 05-10-2010 09:02 PM

I've yet to figure out how long this relationship even lasted. Some information indicates around a month and it ranges all the way up to around a year :shrug:

CADreaming 05-10-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister (Post 889262)
That's true but I don't think she wrote a song for Mick about her and Lindsey :shrug: as someone was eluding to.

Someone isn't "alluding" to it. I'm calling Stevie out on her lies. :wavey:

She said last year she and Lindsey are the beauty and the beast. :shrug: That's all I'm saying. That and I am with Louie on the manure they spread regarding this so-called "relationship" she had with Mick. It doesn't add up on several levels.

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Originally Posted by tilthefirefades (Post 889259)
You can write something for someone without it being about them. Like how she dedicates different songs to people :shrug:

Exactly. For instance, she said:

"I also remember Mick and I years later at the Red Rocks Rock A Little video. He had come by himself to play, and he stayed there with me all night (in the rain) to do close-ups...everyone else had left."

Mick was at Red Rocks. Big whoop. Has nothing to do with the actual subject matter of the song.

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 889294)
Hmm... but they didn't spend six weeks anywhere together. AND they were in English speaking places for their affair: Australia & Hawaii. Gotta call BS on this theory! :sorry:

Thank you. :nod:

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Originally Posted by GypsyBlueEyes (Post 889301)
I've yet to figure out how long this relationship even lasted. Some information indicates around a month and it ranges all the way up to around a year :shrug:

Another reason to point out the obvious. What about the whole "Mick-went-to-Lindse-to-confess-he-was-sleeping-with-Stevie-even-though-they-were-broken-up-and-Lindsey-had-CAH"...

Poppycock! First they say Mick went, then they say Stevie and Mick went...oh it's such garbage! Hilarious. But, garbage.

louielouie2000 05-10-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 889299)
I WAS like the THIRD person to jump on this and STILL you Go for me>:laugh: but i love you Louie!?:o :xoxo:

I SWEAR I'm not picking on ya! :laugh: I was just feeling lazy and you were the most recent comment on that subject :o.

louielouie2000 05-10-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister (Post 889298)
She was high when she wrote it so that part doesn't count, sorry Louie xo.

She was high when she wrote Destiny Rules? Are you sure YOU aren't high?? :laugh: :xoxo:

gypsy4life 05-10-2010 09:46 PM

Maybe she felt safe with Mick, after all the heartbreak crap they all went through. Maybe that's how it evovled into a HUGE mistake! It's just my theory, I guess we'll never really know until one of them tells the whole truth.

CADreaming 05-10-2010 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gypsy4life (Post 889309)
Maybe she felt safe with Mick, after all the heartbreak crap they all went through. Maybe that's how it evovled into a HUGE mistake! It's just my theory, I guess we'll never really know until one of them tells the whole truth.

Agreed! :nod:

michelej1 05-10-2010 10:06 PM

I find Mick's accent attractive and the understated way he tells a joke is very amusing, the glib intonations, that's kind of sexy to hear. Smooth.

But physically I think he's rather disgusting and so are lots of the things we've heard about him -- even the stories he's told about himself.

Michele

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CADreaming (Post 889303)
Someone isn't "alluding" to it. I'm calling Stevie out on her lies. :wavey:

She said last year she and Lindsey are the beauty and the beast. :shrug: That's all I'm saying. That and I am with Louie on the manure they spread regarding this so-called "relationship" she had with Mick. It doesn't add up on several levels.



Exactly. For instance, she said:

"I also remember Mick and I years later at the Red Rocks Rock A Little video. He had come by himself to play, and he stayed there with me all night (in the rain) to do close-ups...everyone else had left."

Mick was at Red Rocks. Big whoop. Has nothing to do with the actual subject matter of the song.



Thank you. :nod:



Another reason to point out the obvious. What about the whole "Mick-went-to-Lindse-to-confess-he-was-sleeping-with-Stevie-even-though-they-were-broken-up-and-Lindsey-had-CAH"...

Poppycock! First they say Mick went, then they say Stevie and Mick went...oh it's such garbage! Hilarious. But, garbage.

I'm still trying to figure it out though, what's your point? And I'm not saying that to be cheekey. Stevie's a liar?

SapphireSister 05-10-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 889319)
But physically I think he's rather disgusting and so are lots of the things we've heard about him -- even the stories he's told about himself.

Michele

I'm listening...?

CADreaming 05-10-2010 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister (Post 889322)
I'm still trying to figure it out though, what's your point? And I'm not saying that to be cheekey. Stevie's a liar?

Pretty much...or she is very private and talks in circles or makes up stories to keep her privacy. And, I can't blame her for that. I do think it's her right on one hand, but it's misleading and I don't think it's fair to her fans.

My point in posting the quote about Lindsey was - she's let everyone believe for years she wrote that about Mick and then she up and says she and Lindsey are the "beauty and the beast". It's infuriating. She puts stuff out there one way, then later says something totally different.

So, in the end, we don't actually get the true story. And, I hate that. I think she feels like the "truth" is in the songs themselves and that should be enough.

I guess if it's her perogative to keep the real meanings to herself, then it's my perogative not to be happy about it. :rolleyes:

GypsyBlueEyes 05-10-2010 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CADreaming (Post 889325)
My point in posting the quote about Lindsey was - she's let everyone believe for years she wrote that about Mick and then she up and says she and Lindsey are the "beauty and the beast". It's infuriating. She puts stuff out there one way, then later says something totally different.

I see what you are saying but I think, in her mind, the connection between herself & Lindsey and BATB has nothing to do with the way the song was originally intended (or maybe even the song at all). People attribute things to multiple people throughout their lives all the time...like just because someone called their partner in one relationship "baby" doesn't mean that they couldn't call another partner the same thing. Just because she used BATB as inspiration for a song about Mick doesn't mean that she couldn't use it in another way to describe something about Lindsey :)

CADreaming 05-10-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsyBlueEyes (Post 889329)
I see what you are saying but I think, in her mind, the connection between herself & Lindsey and BATB has nothing to do with the way the song was originally intended (or maybe even the song at all). People attribute things to multiple people throughout their lives all the time...like just because someone called their partner in one relationship "baby" doesn't mean that they couldn't call another partner the same thing. Just because she used BATB as inspiration for a song about Mick doesn't mean that she couldn't use it in another way to describe something about Lindsey :)

Right...and vice/versa. :)

APerfectLie 05-11-2010 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 889294)
Hmm... but they didn't spend six weeks anywhere together. AND they were in English speaking places for their affair: Australia & Hawaii. Gotta call BS on this theory! :sorry:

They also spent ten days in Japan. Which doesn't amount to six weeks, but "10 days in a foreign country" may not flow as well and would make it too obvious. Just sayin... :shrug:

louielouie2000 05-11-2010 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by APerfectLie (Post 889348)
They also spent ten days in Japan. Which doesn't amount to six weeks, but "10 days in a foreign country" may not flow as well and would make it too obvious. Just sayin... :shrug:

Still not buying it!! :D Just look at the verse:

"Sometimes I walk by, and I look up to your balcony just to make sure that you were real..."

C'mon... she'd been in a band with Mick for nearly 3 decades when she wrote that song. He's always been one of her closest friends. Stevie talks to him on the phone all the time. She wouldn't have to "walk past his balcony to make sure he was real," she'd just have Karen dial him up! :p They're soooo beyond that whole month-long drug-fueled bodily fluid exchange that had occurred some 25 years prior. Just watch the Destiny Rules doc... even the way Stevie looks at Mick and interacts with him is proof of this. There is no flame in her eyes for him. If anything, it's more of a sibling kind of thing: a mixture of laughter and annoyance emanates from Stevie when she and Mick communicate.

CADreaming 05-11-2010 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 889349)
Just watch the Destiny Rules doc... even the way Stevie looks at Mick and interacts with him is proof of this. There is no flame in her eyes for him. If anything, it's more of a sibling kind of thing: a mixture of laughter and annoyance emanates from Stevie when she and Mick communicate.

That's true. Did you catch the way she almost rolled her eyes at him when she was practicing "Illume"? She seemed to be really serious and Mick was playing around. She didn't seem amused.

luckydimecaper 05-11-2010 07:29 AM

I think Mick was attractive back in the early days before he grew his huge beard, haha.

Tango 05-11-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by luckydimecaper (Post 889354)
I think Mick was attractive back in the early days before he grew his huge beard, haha.

indeed.


http://www.vinylrecords.ch/F/FL/Flee...nderful-10.jpg

or perhaps she was coerced. He was the boss.


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