What does 2010 hold for FM ??
 

What do we all think there will be out there for the coming year ?

Unleashed extended and more USA concerts ?

New Album ?

Everyone going their own way & solo concerts ?

The whole group taking the year off ?

I can confidently predict that Christine will remain retired.

Other than that with this band who knows?

Gail

LOL, that's a pretty damn safe assumption! :laugh:

I think they'll cruise into their scheduled January meeting about a new album, tired, bitchy, and strung out from being on the road around the world for most of 2009. They'll decide to postpone doing anything new (be it touring, recording, etc) for at least a year. They are rocks stars after all, and need lotsa time off! :p

I think a real catching point next time around is where the album will be recorded. With Lindsey, John, and Mick all having children, they'll all want to remain close to their families. But none of their families live near one another now. Lindsey is the only one left in LA, but even John and Mick live on different islands in Hawaii. So this will be an issue...

I'm probably wrong but for some reason I could see them deciding to make an easy cash grab this summer with a small run of sheds and secondary markets that have not been oversaturated with the mac love-train already. They'll probably go into it thinking with the better economy they will recoup some of the money lost on the first spring leg of the tour with better ticket sales. Stevie's rebok boots will probably melt to the stage on some idle 86 degree night in mansfield massachusetts and will somehow blame it on lindsey and blame it on lindsey for something that happened 30 friggin years ago, terrible fighting will continue alas the ongoing unhappy,terrible tour that had become of every mac tour since god knows when yet somehow never gets bad enough to finally give their miserable money hungry butts a rest and retire their oldies act.

Just my two cents!

LOL! I'm betting you're on to something here. I can absolutely seem them doing ALL that!

Ok, are you some sort of "men who stare at goats" person? If I didn't know better, I would've said that was one of MY rants....only more civilly expressed.

Hahahaha no, can't say i've stared at goats lately these days.

Maybe because its 12+ years into my fandom, i've reached that point where it's like...."really?...it's been 30+ years and you still can't burry the hatchet....really?" you did 135 shows against your will on a miserable tour.....really now? I'm 25 and feel more mature than half of them, stevie especially.

More than anything, the exception being lindsey....I always get the drift that none of them realize just how darn lucky they are to be able to go out and still perform and still sell as many tickets as they do. For the most part they have a huge sense of entitlement. If it was really about the music they would do a run of shows at the Fillmore, or one of the big theatres in Chicago...and probably sell out each night. But I guess that couple of extra millions is more important, besides....even stevie said that we the fans are the ones that will steal all the songs on the internet so there is no money to be made there, pff burn.

Mike cambell just remarked recently that in the beginning the heartbreakers had to prove why they deserve to be there and now they have to prove why they are still relevant and deserve to be there..and for the most part since 1997 with SYW being the exception, what exactly have they done except justify themselves on the same things they have been for the past 15-20 years?? As artists you can create great art which will prove your relevance, but all great artists must continue to grow.

Don't get me wrong, still a huge fan, still love the music. I saw them on this last tour..but cheap seats this time....and I apologize because I know I'm preaching to the choir and this is probably the same b*tch that half the people here, it's nothing anybody hasn't heard before.

I guess in what would be a fairly short period of time (12 years) between the SYW fan club fiasco, countless cash grabs, lamenting about miserable tours that gave them big bucks and backhanded comments to the fanbase, the whole enchilada (or fajita round-up) is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

ok end of rant.

^^^I agree with every word!

can you believe that the top ticket price on my 1997 ticket stub is 60.00?

Hahahaha

Point of order. Molly McVie is 20-21, and I think in college. She's not really a child anymore. To put it another way, she's about the same age Bekka Bramlett was when she joined Mick Fleetwood's Zoo. (And, older than Danny Kirwan or Jeremy Spencer were when they joined Fleetwood Mac by a few years!)

Remember in the Destiny Rules dvd when Lindsey talks about building his house and is there with his wife and kids? He says "Here will the studio be, where maybe Fleetwood Mac record their next album...." Hmmm...don't know but maybe there they can record it...But then Stevie has said that she'll probably never be in Lindsey's house so, no, maybe not...:shrug:

I hope that they decide to do a new album when they're having that meeting in January! And hope that they do more tourimg here in Europe and not only the US...:nod:

Didn't Lindsey sale that house a few years back... the house that your talking about that he was having built during the Destiny Rules dvd???


Donnie Wayne ~

Maybe, I dunno, hehe :) :o

But now Lindsey has a studio where Kristen says she doesn't even have to see the people he brings in there. They don't have to come into her house for anything. So, they could record at the new home, but I'm sure it won't happen.

Michele

They did sell that house in Bel Air several years back now. They're on flat ground for the kiddies now in nearby Brentwood (I wonder if they live near OJ's former pad?). Apparently Lindsey's new studio is under a detached garage. I can hardly see the band all getting together and working for a year under a detached garage :lol:.

Last time around they rented a masion in Bel Air because of the creature comforts, and because it was reasonably centrally located for everyone, who were all in the LA area at the time. Now that everybody is so spread out (except Lindsey and Stevie), I can't imagine how they would all come to a consensus on where to record. They all clearly demand big scale creature comforts, hence their building their million dollar studio for Tusk (so it would be more homey), renting a French Chateau for Mirage, and their renting a mansion for Say You Will. I think this will be the real obstacle preventing a new album in this day and age.

But it's under the garage for soundproofing. It has a bathroom, kitchenette, state-of-the-art recording equipment and a soundboard so big it had to be lowered in with a crane. I think they could make do there in a pinch.

Michele

Ummmm....Molly was born before Molly Fishkin, who is now 23, so she's at least 24-26!

Nope. Molly is 20.

Of course they could... but we're talking about people who rented out a 10,000 square foot Bel Air mansion to record their last album. They aren't gonna work beneath a garage... no matter how fancy it is. Stevie alone would probably throw a wrench into this because it wouldn't be neutral ground... it would be on her frenemy Lindsey's home turf, so she'd feel like the power balance would be thrown off. Plus, do you think she'd want to be under Miss Kristen's roof, surrounded by her home decorations and such? Not a chance! Stevie's never even been to Lindsey's house... and I doubt she's about to start.

Oh, she'd go if asked.

Michele

You made some great points....can't disagree......I hear ya....:nod:

I definetly believe another leg next year for summer on the unleashed tour the sheds out door venues i would think they would play like they did with Say You Will Tour but that would be my guess.

I just had to post and say that this:

Totally cracked my **** up after a long pre-Thanksgiving week. I love it, nothing else can sum their relationship up better. Not even 'star-crossed former lovers' or any of that BS.




ON-topic, well, I'd like to think that the album will be discussed at least, maybe a venue picked, somewhere the rest of us will never guess, maybe a few demos recorded or worked on.

Realistically, I think they all need to come down from their ivory towers and make this album happen, because if they procrastinate and BS and fight again it's truly the end for my favourite band. I will not see another greatest hits tour without a new record.

- Spike

2010 will hold lots of surprises.

A couple guesses what they may do in 2010- I'd think they'd try for a Superbowl Half Time spot or something high-profile to cap off all the touring they did in '09. I think they'd entertain offers from casinos to do a handful of dates (Mohegan Sun, Vegas, Atlantic City)- maybe for a total of 6 shows or so, if the price is right. I think they may go ahead with a reissue of old material, and possibly try out 2 new tunes, promoting on Letterman and selling directly from their own website. IF they are pleased with the reception ($$) the 1 or 2 songs get, I think they'd attempt to record a cd throughout the year and possibly get something out by September of 2010. But I don't think so.
I believe at this moment, Stevie is at her typewriter or handwriting a very supportive (and sincere) letter of loyalty to Jimmy Iovine, his divorce became final today. And I believe by the end of 2010, we will see Stevie SOLO on Interscope, with Iovine likely well-aware that his Stevie connection circa 1980 paved the way for him to become the jillion-billionaire that he is today. I think only an Iovine intervention with Interscope can save whats left of Stevie's recording career, and that it would be easier to 'manage' her recording career comeback than it would be to manage Fleetwood Mac's.
I think Interscope is what's on the horizon for 2010- I'd be thrilled if it were for both Fleetwood Mac AND for Stevie solo, but I think it will be for her solo. I think we also may see a lot of demos from Stevie released as a boxset through Interscope, before a new solo cd from Stevie or a new Mac cd.
I think if there is to be a renaissance of Stevie or Fleetwood Mac as recording artists, it had best be started in 2010 on Interscope. Stevie can still pull it off at 62, but another 2 or 3 years can't go by without new product, it will be too late by then, at 65, for her to 'start' again.
So, for 2010--- back to the gypsy that she was- alligning with the right people to revive her recording career. I hope Fleetwood Mac jumps this time, if Interscope dangles.
I am almost certain Stevie knows Iovine's label is her best shot.

Nikolaj, as far as I can tell Interscope is only interested in hip hop musicians right now. I think Jimmy's days of working with Stevie are a thing of the past. Also Jimmy was a huge success LONG before he produced Bella Donna.

You're right, because I think despite all the negative stuff she spews, she really would like to be Lindsey's friend. But would she seriously spend a year and a half of her life recording Mac music in his garage basement? C'mon... you know better! :lol:

I have a feeling that Molly McVie goes to a school that I'm applying to...

I think they'll either just take lots of time off before doing anything or decide to throw a few more US shows in( I hope)!

Just throwing it out there that I am hoping very much for a new album!!!! Confident it will happen!!!! :)

I do see your (good) points,vf, in what you wrote, yet I believe since Interscope was willing to bid on 'Say You Will' in '03, it was likely because JI had some feelings of good will toward SN and the band that likely are still there.
I know Jimmy began (as an engineer, I think) in late '74 on John Lennon's 'Rock and Roll' album and that was his real entry to his own distinguished music career, long before 'Bella Donna', and that it was also JI who had a lot to do with the success of Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers, also years before 'Bella Donna'...but, it was not only that he produced BD, but that he was largely responsible for the huge success of it, which launched the new label, Modern, through Atlantic, that did wonders for JI's status in the industry. Though he'd produced for TP, I don't know that he was 'hugely successful' along the lines of a Paul Rothchild or Peter Asher or Richard Perry prior to Bella Donna, but after BD, I think he surpassed their reputations as a 'go to' power-producer who knew a lot about music and money-making. You may recall there were plenty of nay-sayers who thought it was nuts that a subsidiary new label (Modern) be formed for SN's solo prospects, which were considered shaky, despite her enormous popularity with the public. Though it was Fishkin and Morris who ran Modern (co-owned by Nicks, almost unheard of at the time, for a woman to own part of her record company) I think it was Jimmy Iovine who really came through as a guiding force that earned many millions in the 1980s for Atlantic Records, through this new label they agreed to launch to launch SN. Also, after he stopped working with her, Stevie's sales steadily declined, which may also add to his reputation as the man perhaps most responsible for her biggest solo successes.
So, I do think his Nicks association did more for Iovine's professional reputation than his work with Tom Petty, Patti Smith, or his very early John Lennon work.
Based on that, I'd say that it's possible that to this day, JI knows the importance of what his association with Nicks helped him to later achieve. Plus, he may just like her, or like her music. It's very likely he knows better than anyone else what would work for her. Interscope had heard 'SYW' and made an offer, I think it could happen again.
Reconsider her, Jimmy!~

Nikolaj, Jimmy I. also produced Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band's BORN TO RUN album and I think he might have produced Carole Kings TAPESTRY album. Bella Donna was a success but even without it he was already a sought after producer. I'm sure Stevie knew that by hiring him to produce BD, HER career would be more successful.

He was one of many engineers on the album- didn't produce it.

Well, as the Tango recording at Lindsey's place was awkward and he always says his girlfriend didn't like it, you're right. But I don't think Lindsey is going to get Stevie to spend 18 months recording anything, anywhere. Compilation, Best Of, whatever . . . He better be able to do whatever it is they do next in 6 months top.

Michele

I really hope they make a new album. Do you think if they ever did it at Lindas, that he would be in control? :shocked:

what about No Doubt? :shrug:
And we already know Interscope was in the running for SYW.

I really think Stevie will want to do something solo. Maybe a short summer tour and then she might look at recording something solo?

Good point. I suspect she'll take at least 6 months off after spending a (likely tumultuous) year with Fleetwood Mac on the road. I could definitely see Stevie wanting to do some solo shows to "let the rain wash her clean" from the Mac :laugh:. I just can't decide what her next big move will be though. She hasn't released a solo album in nearly 10 years now. On the other hand, she's spent nearly every year of this decade on the road, mostly touring solo. I wonder if she's burnt out on her solo career right now? Or is she burnt out on Fleetwood Mac after spending a year plus recording Say You Will, touring behind it for 2 years, then touring again with the Mac for a year just now?

It seems Lindsey has finally figured out how to release solo albums in a fairly quick fashion, I wonder if he can use that to convince Stevie into recording another Mac album? I'm sure the less time she has to spend in a room with Lindsey, the more motivated she'll be. Plus it looks like an outside producer might be brought in, so that would level the playing field for her and Lindsey, and the producer could likely keep them reigned in and focused. It sounds like Stevie is grossly unhappy with the end result of Say You Will... I'm just hoping she's itching to remedy that with a new Mac album. I doubt she'd want Say You Will to be the Mac's final legacy. I also get the strong impression after Trouble In Shangri La that she is done recording solo. She said time and time again that it was her little masterpiece, and that she doesn't want to record again because it won't sell. So maybe all of this does point towards one last Mac album. I guess we'll see!

Even at another location, if they get an outside producer, that should definitely ease tensions for Stevie and Lindsey and give her someone with whom to flesh out her vision and concerns. Lindsey would still have a degree of ultimate control.

Michele

Ok, I must be a dummy... who is Linda? :shrug:

I hope they make a new album for what it's worth too... they have a potential for such greatness.

I assume the person meant to type 'Lindsey'!:laugh: