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Travis 11-20-2009 08:33 AM

Lady Gaga vs Shakira
 
Just curious, which do you prefer?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA280_.jpg

OR

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA280_.jpg

JazmenFlowers 11-20-2009 09:10 AM

GAGALUPE of course! I LOVE Lady Gaga. she's the most exciting thing to happen to pop music and music videos in a long-ass time. Bad Romance is an amazingly catchy song and it's so unique. Gaga's way of working in Gothic elements, darker undertones into a catchy pop song with a great hook is genious.

TrueFaith77 11-20-2009 09:33 AM

I think Lady Gaga is the WORST thing to happen to pop music in a long time (and that's saying a lot). She removes meaning from everything. She just operates on arbitrary outrage and excitation. She appropriates performance art -- you know: that pretentious NY East Village trend that went out in the 80s and that Madonna (God help us) already perfected.

OK. So some of her songs got hooks. But what does she do with them?

ETA: For me the definitive Lady Gaga moment is in the Joseph Kahn-directed Paparazzi video: she's so corrupt and evil that she eats poison -- and lives.

ETA: A friend of mine, the playwright Ben Kessler, recently wrote this about Lady Gaga's new single:

Quote:

A friend balked at my use of the word "dirges" to describe Lady Gaga's music. A semi-defender of Gaga, he stated that her songs are too lively to deserve that epithet. I think this song proves us both right. Lady Gaga makes pop dirges that aspire to liveliness, i.e. dirges in denial.

The perspective of "Bad Romance" blends no-way-out, airless pathology with the vast remove of someone who has never had a romance, much less loved. Here, pretension, naivete and detachment combine to form a four-minute miniature of contemporary nihilism. Lady Gaga's grotesque guises & tunes provide a veritable runway show displaying the latest wares of a hyperactive, unmoored capitalist culture.

The Fame Monster, indeed.

Enchanted_Stevi 11-20-2009 09:37 AM

I like Lady Gaga more the Shakira

Travis 11-20-2009 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 855221)
I think Lady Gaga is the WORST thing to happen to pop music in a long time (and that's saying a lot). She removes meaning from everything. She just operates on arbitrary outrage and excitation. She appropriates performance art -- you know: that pretentious NY East Village trend that went out in the 80s and that Madonna (God help us) already perfected.

OK. So some of her songs got hooks. But what does she do with them?

ETA: For me the definitive Lady Gaga moment is in the Joseph Kahn-directed Paparazzi video: she's so corrupt and evil that she eats poison -- and lives.

ETA: A friend of mine, the playwright Ben Kessler, recently wrote this about Lady Gaga's new single:

make sure you cast your vote to even the score right now ;-)

TrueFaith77 11-20-2009 10:15 AM

Oh, I'm not voting. Shakira does nothing for me. :laugh:

Travis 11-20-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 855229)
Oh, I'm not voting. Shakira does nothing for me. :laugh:

Well, she doesn't compell you enough to dig up an article, so vote for her for that reason if nothing else :-). Do you really want Gaga to win? ;-)

vivfox 11-20-2009 10:45 AM

I really like GaGa's music and really like Shakira's music but haven't heard either of these songs (yet). But I'll vote for GaGa cause I like her more. Ha Ha.

TrueFaith77 11-20-2009 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 855232)
Well, she doesn't compell you enough to dig up an article, so vote for her for that reason if nothing else :-). Do you really want Gaga to win? ;-)

Only cuz i can pretend I'm voting for Kylie.

AgeOldDesire 11-20-2009 12:29 PM

A vote for Shakira is a vote against Caca.

TrueFaith77 11-20-2009 12:31 PM

Yes, in a word, Lady Gaga is "disgusting."

JazmenFlowers 11-20-2009 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 855251)
Yes, in a word, Lady Gaga is "disgusting."

why would you call her disgusting? I mean, that's a little extreme, isn't it?

Travis 11-20-2009 02:16 PM

Now now truefaith, I appreicate the Shakira vote but let's not get nasty. :o

Jazz, I hate that we are disagreeing on this because usually we are on par with each other.

I was diggin’ Gaga in the beginning (first two singles) but then I started to see her in interviews and she was turning me off. Then I saw her live and that sealed the deal. She talked more than she sang, “me me me me me.” (Sorry John L, I feel bad for being in a funk that night but I blame the Lady). I’ve always been a casual fan of Shakira’s but now I’m totally into her. She is bad ass without trying. She has a natural gift whereas Lady Gaga comes across affected. As a DJ, I still play Gaga (have to) and I can bounce along but... Shakira gets my vote.

"can we still be friends Jazz"? :)

T.

JazmenFlowers 11-20-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 855271)
Now now truefaith, I appreicate the Shakira vote but let's not get nasty. :o

Jazz, I hate that we are disagreeing on this because usually we are on par with each other.

I was diggin’ Gaga in the beginning (first two singles) but then I started to see her in interviews and she was turning me off. Then I saw her live and that sealed the deal. She talked more than she sang, “me me me me me.” (Sorry John L, I feel bad for being in a funk that night but I blame the Lady). I’ve always been a casual fan of Shakira’s but now I’m totally into her. She is bad ass without trying. She has a natural gift whereas Lady Gaga comes across affected. As a DJ, I still play Gaga (have to) and I can bounce along but... Shakira gets my vote.

"can we still be friends Jazz"? :)

T.

I dunno...gimme a day or two to think it over. lol. I think Gaga is one of those love or hate artists, but I'm so excited by her music (especially the new 8 songs) and her whole image. I like Shakira a lot too though so...

TrueFaith77 11-20-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers (Post 855265)
why would you call her disgusting? I mean, that's a little extreme, isn't it?

I called her "evil" and "corrupt" before. But "disgusting" is extreme? Evil and Corruption disgust me. And that MTV Awards performance. And the costume changes. And "OBAMAAAA ARE YOU LISTENING"... and, of course, the music. Yes. Disgusting.

mylittledemon 11-20-2009 03:11 PM

This scares me more than both of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtdmRh7KzPs

FMlex 11-20-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon (Post 855277)
This scares me more than both of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtdmRh7KzPs

Bahaha.

But at least:
a) we're getting new scenery-- we are usually in his kitchen
b) he's clothed

Have you seen his "conversations" with his "mother" videos?
I told Shawna that it's getting more and more like a modern-day Norman Bates... :lol:

paleshadow 11-20-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon (Post 855277)
This scares me more than both of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtdmRh7KzPs



:eek:
"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again".

RoseGarden 11-20-2009 06:55 PM

Who the hell is this ga ga lady?

I vote Shakira!! I have bought almost all of her cd's and really enjoy her work.

mylittledemon 11-20-2009 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost (Post 855312)
:distress: How could you?

1:24-1:30 had me in tears

LukeA 11-20-2009 10:33 PM

Any act wins over Gaga (its truly sad that there are fans of hers that manage to take Gaga even more seriously than Gaga takes herself), but I liked "She Wolf" when I heard it on SNL a few weeks back.

fringed n fab 11-20-2009 11:02 PM

The only thing I like is Shakira's hair during the cage scenes.

daniellaaarisen 11-21-2009 03:10 AM

I posted this somewhere else on Chit Chat but I'm gonna repost because this is related. Gaga is my favorite guilty pleasure. For all of you who dislike Lady Gaga on the premise that she has no talent, watch this. At the very least, Shakira couldn't do this:







GAGA FO LIFE.

LukeA 11-21-2009 03:20 AM

Ah, the faulty premise that you aren't a "real" artist if you can't go acoustic. Thanks a bunch, "MTV Unplugged"

daniellaaarisen 11-21-2009 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeA (Post 855422)
Ah, the faulty premise that you aren't a "real" artist if you can't go acoustic. Thanks a bunch, "MTV Unplugged"

I know that there are many artists who couldn't go acoustic and they are still excellent at what they do-- but I do think its cool that Gaga isn't one of those people, especially since her pop recording quality is at debate in this thread. It's nice that she has both.

vivfox 11-21-2009 12:29 PM

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"Teeth", meanwhile, is the most sonically intriguing thing GaGa's put her name to, an ode to rough sex conducted over an intense, tribal production that recalls Cher's "Half Breed" and Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk". Oh, and the ballad? ...
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vivfox 11-21-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen (Post 855420)

Thank you for posting this Dani. This is absolutely wonderful. The first few minutes of this reminded me of Bryson. The two young ladies are both so adorable.

LukeA 11-21-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen (Post 855424)
I know that there are many artists who couldn't go acoustic and they are still excellent at what they do-- but I do think its cool that Gaga isn't one of those people, especially since her pop recording quality is at debate in this thread. It's nice that she has both.

So glad that you made this distinction, as only the most ardent Gaga fanbois/girls could defend/extol the artistic merits of this trainwreck of a "performance".


LukeA 11-21-2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost (Post 855531)

Yes, I remember this.

My comment was directed at those who point at the fact that since Gaga can play the piano, her success isn't- as widely believed- predicated on her purloined spectacle. Of course, in reality, if it wasn't for all the costumes/overproduced records, she's be a poor man's Nellie McKay AT BEST.

GypsySorcerer 11-21-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost (Post 855538)
Oh I know that, it was just you mentioned MTV Unplugged and I remembered watching Shakira's episode. Shakira can play the guitar, so she can definitely do the acoustic thing if it all boils down to that. But I agree that Lady GaGa is all spectacle, I find nothing unique about her actual music. I do find Lady GaGa fascinating from an image point of view and I think the way she's marketed herself is brilliant but musically I would take Shakira any day. I mean when Whenever, Wherever first came out it really did sound like nothing else on the radio, love it or hate it.
Btw, I love Nellie McKay. Her new Doris Day album is fantastic.

I am not a big fan of Gaga or Shakira, but I picked up Shakira's Laundry Service album when it came out and listened to it quite a bit at that time. But mercy - some of her lyrics. "Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, so you don't confuse them with mountains." Oy. :laugh:

GypsySorcerer 11-21-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost (Post 855542)
:laugh: That's true but still better than the Poker Face lyrics imo! I do think part of the quirkiness is the translation from the Spanish to the English. Didn't Gloria Estefan help translate those lyrics for the English version? I'm not saying I'm a huge fan of Shakira but I just prefer her over Lady GaGa, I understand the appeal more.

I think Gloria was involved, if I remember correctly. I see the appeal of both GaGa and Shakira, even though I'm not crazy about either one. As you said, GaGa has marketed herself brilliantly.

daniellaaarisen 11-21-2009 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackaghost (Post 855545)
I see the appeal of Lady GaGa too, for sure, it's just less about the music and more about how completely insane she seems.

I hated her for a really long time, and then I began to like the catchiness of a few of her songs (namely "Love Games"-- "Just Dance" irritates the crap out of me). But yeah, for her it is TOTALLY about being as weird as possible. Usually, I love that about her-- as long as its in moderation. She needs to be weird enough to be interesting but not so much that she crosses the line.

Have any of you seen the "Bad Romance" video? I'm 75% petrified of it, 25% in awe of it.

Travis 11-22-2009 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeA (Post 855528)
So glad that you made this distinction, as only the most ardent Gaga fanbois/girls could defend/extol the artistic merits of this trainwreck of a "performance".


I didn't think I could dislike her more, thanks Luke LOL

Meowi 11-22-2009 04:27 AM

I think i'm going to vomit...
(go's to basin and recites FM Lyrics)
DO NOT MENTION LADY YUCK-YUCK AGAIN!

golddustdrummer 11-22-2009 11:04 AM

I thought I was going to vomit. Lady Gaga was actually an answer in the crossword. I couldn't bring myself to fill it in.

I prefer...Shakira, or pretty much anyone else over Lady Gaga
But if I want to listen to a female singer nowadays, I'd rather go for Vanessa Carlton, Beyonce, Bat for Lashes, or my old standby Stevie ;)

Meowi 11-22-2009 02:14 PM

My top two female vocalists are Stevie and Kate Bush

golddustdrummer 11-22-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meowi (Post 855817)
My top two female vocalists are Stevie and Kate Bush


YESSSS! I love her as well

RoseGarden 11-22-2009 02:41 PM

Thanks for all that posted videos to see who Lady GA GA is.
Now I know why I never bothered spending more than 20 secs on her.

Shakira is far more the talent with her writing, producing , singing and dancing. Crossing over the latino to america is a huge deal and Shakira has nothing left to prove.
Class act all the way!

My bet is Shakira will be around 10 years from now and many other performers will fade . :lol:

WildHeart69 11-24-2009 12:57 AM

I don't like either of them and I dont have an opinion to contribute, but I had just read that Lady GaGa had 80 pizzas (2 meal deliveries of 40 pies) delivered to fans who camped out for one of her CD signings and I thought that was pretty cool. She at least really seems to care about her fans which is admirable.

WildHeart69 11-24-2009 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mylittledemon (Post 855277)
This scares me more than both of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtdmRh7KzPs

OH DEAR LORD!!!!


EDIT: I made the mistake of clicking on the profile and there are A TON of other (many Stevie/Mac) horrendous video.... I have seen some things that I just can't unsee (the Tina Turner moves during What's Love Got to Do With It was another cringe moment)

EDIT: OH MY, this guy has issues...:
http://www.youtube.com/user/seankerr...12/HM0A_FsJHu8
http://www.youtube.com/user/seankerr...15/tzvEUjF0c9E


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