Time Life RRHOF Inductions DVD
 

[Just got this notice in an email from a broadcastor]

Time Life has assembled a nine-DVD set of highlights from the first 24 years of Rock Hall inductions. Included on the set are FM's induction speech, as well as their performance of Say You Love Me and Santana's rendition of Black Magic Woman with Peter Green. Keep your eyes out for the paid-program show featuring some clips.

Mchele

SYLM is the only song on there? Boo.

Well, I never understood why the other 2 were performed anyway. So, I'm ok with that.

Michele

What other 2?

Landslide and Big Love. Those were my favorites (of course) and Stevie stayed onstage for Big Love. She did that on Letterman too. I have no idea if she did that during any other BL performances.

I thought it was a nod to BN, honestly... at least Stevie in Stevie and Lindsey's minds it probably was ;) and Stevie probably did some networking to make sure they were able to do that.

Loved it on Letterman, but for FM's intro into the HOF it kind of rubbed me the wrong way, as did Sheryl's speech, but that's already been duly trashed :laugh:.

At least they did do FM songs. They didn't decide to whip out Frozen Love.

Michele

"We'd like to... WARNER BROTHERS, THANK YOU!" :D

ROFLOL!!!! Even reading that I cringe for her. It is funny though, in a painful way...

If only! ;)

Seriously, that would have been bad form. But, when are they going to do that again?! Come on, just once!

It was ridiculous to have Lindsey out there playing solo for a brief Fleetwood Mac ceremony. I'd call it a slap in the face to the others, but they seem not to have given a damn.

On the other hand, it's probably what drove Christine into "retirement."

Yes, Sheryl Crow's speech was as goofily myopic as a Stevie fanatic's typical post. One of these days, I'd like to see the band recognized for its music -- by the band itself, for starters.

I liked Big Love... Landslide to me is just a crowd pleaser... but her bellowing of it makes my skin crawl...

Understood. I usually can appreciate an artist still performing a "signature" song though even if they can't match the original vocal. Not many are ever able to do that and after all, it is their song. So, I listen with the memory of what it was and tip my hat to the effort and the heart from which it is given. Sappy? Maybe. But, that's just my take.

Honestly, I thought they picked the worst three songs to perform. How kickass would Eyes of the World, Gypsy, and You Make Loving Fun. Just three fun, up beat, happy rockin songs.

I thought SYLM represented everything amazing about the band. It was good through the tour, but I'd never seen it better than it was there. If it was to be the last time for those 5, I couldn't want anything more -- except that it not be the last time.

As for what other 2 songs they should have done . . . hard for me to say.


Michele

You thought Lindsey playing a banjo and Christine playing a tambourine represented the band being inducted into the hall of fame? My god, they should have brought the f**king house done. Even the grammy performance was better than that and it was chopped to bits. I hated every performance they did the induction night.

^ If Lindsey is ever inducted, I hope he performs Show You How. That'll teach ya!:laugh:

Yes, I did. That and their lovely harmonizing, on which their fame was mounted. I also like that that song came from The White Album and not the whatchamacallit.

Now, as for what other 2 songs they could've done, I can't say what would have been the best choices. But Big Love and Landslide duets were not proper.

Michele

Well, if were going to talk about harmonizing, how about The Chain? That song is more than a song, its a religion. That song is a rock and roll classic. That would have been incredible, especially if they did the extended rock version from the early days.

If Lindsey ever gets inducted I think he should do Twist of Fate, Try for the Sun, and Go Insane. (With Shut us Down as a close runner up)

Duh. You are right. The Chain is an obvious choice. I can't believe I was going around saying I couldn't think of anything else:shocked:/

Now, we need a third one. But they have limited space to maneuver in. It's not like they can get their whole band up there (or is it). So, we have to do songs that can be performed in shoestring fashion. So, that's why I'm not considering GYOW.

I'm not suggesting Rhiannon or Dreams either and I am proud of them for not doing those songs. Actually, if they'd done a band version of Landslide somehow (not just Chris which we've had before, but get Mick and John in there too), I'd have been ok with it.

Michele

Lindsey - Second Hand News, Eyes of the World, Tusk, or Monday Morning
Stevie - Gypsy, Seven Wonders, Running Through the Garden, or Gold Dust
Christine - You Make Loving Fun, Isn't it Midnight, Everywhere, or Little Lies

These are at least the songs that I think best represent the band that aren't really the obvious choices, but would make great live versions.

Oh ****, how'd I forget Blue Letter?!?!?!

How could they have not performed The Chain -- their best song and such a group effort? I have nothing particularly bad to say about this performance of Say You Love Me, but surely it is no way for Fleetwood Mac to be historicized.

Gypsy would work. As with Landslide, not just singer and guitar, not the acoustic they did in AHI (lovely though it was), but something that would include everyone. Very spare with just the 5 of them, no other players. And, heck, play the video in the background the way they are doing on the Unleashed tour. That would be great.

Assuming there was no room for a big drum kit, Storms with the cocktail set they're using now would also work. Lindsey and Christine on the chorus. Goose bumps.

Michele

Myopia to the max
 

Latter day aficionados ought to get their heads out of the baby boomer Rumours area and pick up on the real history of the Mac. It didn't begin in 1975 or 1977 for that matter, and Lindsey & Stevie would most likely never have progressed past little known folk pop ditties in west coast lounges if it hadn't been for three key players: Peter Green, Bob Welch and Mick Fleetwood. All this hullabaloo about the 3rd wave of FM is sadly overblown. The group had higher charting hits in the UK in their brief but glorious blues rock years (all of three) than they had stateside or elsewhere in over 30.

If the HOF really wanted to do justice towards finding and enshrining Fleetwood Mac's place in the sun, at a minimum they should have made it a point to cover the span of the band's amazing history, their truest hallmark of all, in the song representation. As it was, the proceeding was largely framed in the all too myopic view of the BN years, yet they were inducting a musical entity that owed its very existence to Bluesbreakers' alumni. For anyone who has followed the band from its seminal years, that whole presentation came off more spurious than a two cent penny. [Fitting in many ways for HOF let me add]

As proffered, if the hotshots involved had bothered to put but a modicum of thought into the proceedings, they could and should have chosen representative tracks to honor the band's entire body of work. I can think of no better than Black Magic Woman (Green) or Oh Well (Green) from the 1st wave, Hypnotized (Welch) from the 2nd, and - perhaps fittingly - The Chain from the 3rd (as already suggested). If anyone of the Rhiannon obsessed honestly haven't heard of these, go look them up. You're in for a treat.

Oh but wait, they thumbed Bob Welch right and fine prior to the grand anointing, the very guy that led the Mac to California to begin with, kept the band going when the others wanted to pack it in, and paved the way for all that followed. Hypnotized? Ah silly me, what WAS I thinking?

Uh ... carry on with all the myopic hair-splitting gang, please. :rolleyes:

As only the Hall could see fit! :nod:

What I really loved about SYLM is how it took away all the criticism we've leveled at the band for having the extra musicians and back up singers. They all fell away and we were just left with the 5 of them up there together. The vaunted chemistry on display. No better way to go out, imho.

And yeah, banjo and tamborine spoke to me in a bare bones, improvisational way. Studio wizardry begone. It's a faux notion, I'm sure (weren't Brett and the guys there, after all).

Still, it put intimate images of them rehearsing, heads together, in my head.

Brought me from 1975 to 1998 in one . . . should I say fell swoop or should I just say falling, falling, falling?

Michele

Brett, Neale, and the backup singers sang on that performance.

Think BIG
 

Michele you know I think you're a doll :xoxo: as you've always been one of the most productive members on the board in damn near every area, but pleeeease. A banjo and a tambourine on the night of enshrinement? That ceremony was sad -- fittingly sad in fact, considering the bad omen they cast by denigrating Welch to a nobody and has-been. That stuck with me more than anything else from the event's proceedings. :(

Beyond that, and as AliceLover called it, they should have used that unique opportunity to bring down the house. Amen.

Now try this out for size. I could easily envisage Lindsey and Jeremy accompanying Peter Green on a bittersweet rendition of Albatross (if the above numbers suggested didn't override it). What a treat that would have been! Next I could imagine - by stretching it even further, and I mean elasticity to the max here - Mick strapping on those missing balls he somehow lost and announcing - to the shock of the pugheads running the show - that two very special "guests" were about to join them for their second number. From the around the curtains appears none other than Bobs Welch and Weston, to the delight of the old Mac guard. Into Hypnotized (or Sentimental Lady or Miles Away) they go! Ta da! Now we're rampin' things up to far worthier FM heights than a silly tambourine. Finally as Pete and the Bob W's fade into the background, the BN era Five take front and center for a rousing and sentimental rendition of The Chain. Now that as I see it would bring down the house! At least, in the eyes of the Mac faithful, as opposed to latter day saints and posers.

But pinch me, alas I'm dreaming. BANJO PLEASE!

Uh... who? :rolleyes: Er.. whoop-de-doo [=> and as only the Hall would see fit]

I like their 1997 rendition of Say You Love Me. It's the Limelighters in me.

But maybe they should have played Tusk or The Chain instead.

The problem with that hope is that they weren't playing anything that year that brought the house down ... except perhaps for Stand Back. And who the hell wants to hear that again?

I have a strong hunch Peter was asked whether he wanted to join the current band for a performance, & that he (I hope politely) declined.

But didn't The Chain suck that year? It was lethargic & croaky, wasn't it?

What's so uncool about the banjo? How many superficial rock stars can roll the banjo at speed?

I would say Tusk, The Chain, and Gypsy all had potential to "bring the house down" on the Dance tour...

Five years ago, Jimmy, you'd have suggested they play Alice. :p

Think BIG
 

David: The problem with that hope is that they weren't playing anything that year that brought the house down ... except perhaps for Stand Back. And who the hell wants to hear that again?

Think BIG man. This was a one-nighter for posterity's sake. If they could do it the year before for The Dance, they sure as hell could muster the guns and requisite moxy for HOF. If not the BN outfit are bigger saps than I thought.

David: I have a strong hunch Peter was asked whether he wanted to join the current band for a performance, & that he (I hope politely) declined.

Well considering he brushed off Lindsey backstage like he wasn't there, I suspect if anything he didn't approve of the banjo & tambourine dog-n-pony show he witnessed as representative of the band he founded. Now I could be wrong -- but something tells me.... :laugh:

BTW after I first posted, and before I saw your rejoinder, I realized I conveniently overlooked the ace in the whole for Albatross, to cover any deficit that may have stemmed from Peter's possible reluctance to engage - Jeremy! But over and beyond that, creative approaches and thinking should have been the hallmark of the night. I could see mixing and matching ANY of the FM personnel in the performances -- whatever it would take to create truly memorable fireworks.

David: But didn't The Chain suck that year? It was lethargic & croaky, wasn't it?

We're talking for the ages, not the year. Think BIG. [Revisit my first response above]

David: What's so uncool about the banjo? How many superficial rock stars can roll the banjo at speed?

Noooooo! Don't even go there. A lot of us still have images of banjos playing in our heads from days long passed and thankfully forgotten, ones hopefully not to be revisited any time soon. [For anyone in the dark, fire up The Derelict from Penguin (1973) -- Dave W, forgive me mate, but it just didn't fit]

Hmmm. The vast majority of that would have moved me to tears -- and not the good kind.

Michele

I don't know. I looked forward to Tusk on the tour because I always loved seeing John, Chris and Lindsey on the floor interacting, but in 1997 the song itself was a let down after the DVD with the marching band.

Anyway, they did 1 song from each songwriter and I think that was the right reasoning. So, if they did The Chain, then I'd want it to be The Chain alone, or The Chain, plus 3 more songs.

I wouldn't say I liked The Chain that much during The Dance tour, but compared to the way it sounded for the SYW tour, it was infinitely better in 1997.

Michele

You're myopic then.

No, my vision is different from yours, but no less sharp.

Michele

Well certainly less sweeping. As are most when it comes to FM.

I don't think my vision is less sweeping than yours and, judging from your posts, I'd say it is a lot more tolerant of FM's different phases as a whole than yours is. You don't have to condemn one line up or, more importantly, fans of that line up, in order to exalt another.

I really don't think you're in a position to know how sweeping my views are, nor is their expanse and spread relevant to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame discussion. Everyone can describe what they like and dislike without pigeonholing those with a different perspective.

Michele

Tolerant eh? That's good for a chuckle. The difference is you believe in what you read, I believe what I see - or saw. There's the sweep child. If the early Mac units bore you to tears, and you express it smugly as such (at least that's how I read it per this thread), then why get offended when an older Mac hand suggests you're being myopic. To me its pretty evident.

As for the HOF, you speak of what was, I of what could have been. Again, just another kind of sweep. BTW where's all that glowing tolerance you profess to possess when it comes to my HOF vision? Or should the old guard run away to all the johnny-come-lately types.

First of all, you don't know what I believe and I've had enough of the patronizing tone.

I didn't say the older incarnations of the Mac bored me to tears, I said your fantasy scenario did. And I wouldn't have expressed an opinion on your scenario at all, except that you were refusing to be ignored. You weren't content to simply describe your perfect induction, but apparently think it should be everyone else's perfect induction too. Otherwise, they aren't as broadminded and far-seeing as you are. Your arrogance sparked my frank reply that I would have been bored to tears.

One of the many reasons why there is no right and wrong on this issue is that we were working with different hypotheticals. There is a real DVD coming out and it's going to have 1 of the 3 songs that were really performed. So, we were talking about what songs should have been performed instead, given the people who were there.

You came in and started talking about what you would like to have seen happen, if every one you wanted had been there, Jeremy, Weston, Bob Welch. That's a perfectly legitimate "what if," it's just a different one than I was trying to imagine. Therefore, my fantasy and yours would necessarily be different, because they're starting from completely different premises. That's why I had nothing to add or respond to in your first post. There's no reason to bicker about which impossible dream is superior and which visionary the most enlightened. Both fantasies can co-exist.

Michele

"snoot" seems an appropriate name. you're really gonna get into something over what a band should have played over 10 years ago at a Hall of Fame induction ceremony? Chill out.

p.s.- Michele, you are lovely :-)