Mirage and Tango Remastered
 

Hello fellow Ledgies! I was wondering if anyone might have heard about plans of Fleetwood Mac remastering Mirage and Tango in the Night... I'm aware that Rumours is being re-released again in September, but I'm not aware of any plans for the other ablums of 1975-87. (Just curious is all...) :)

Unfortunately there are no plans that we know of yet. This current tour would have been a perfect excuse to release remasters of those two albums but instead we are getting yet another Rumours.

I would love both of these albums to get the treatment they deserve! Unfortunately Tango In The Night seems to be forgotten since Christine left. Apart from Big Love it gets no recognition at all. It's a real shame because there are some amazing songs on it. The title track, Caroline, Seven Wonders (amazing)....

Isn't It Midnight, Mystified, Everywhere You And I Welcome to the Room...

man i love that album...

I totally agree....it is a missed opportunity....They can release so much 'stuff' (same for Stevie solo stuff too) heck even there own videos too would be nice to have....but like someone said another Rumours thing......I guess we'll have to see what that's gonna be too? If it still gets released...since they keep pushing it back all the time.....Time will tell....I love Mirage better than Tango......they could also re-issue Mask.....but I know it wasn't a big seller back in the day......its ok......:shrug::nod::D
They could also remaster the "Live" lp with extras too.....LOL like thats gonna happen right.......

The fact that TITN was so big in the UK/Ireland and Europe must surely make it worthy of a rerelease. I've seen bands that have albums that haven't even gone anywhere near to gold remaster albums from the 80's (Pentagram did it and they sell hardly anything). Fleetwood Mac are missing an opportunity by not doing it.

Oh god there have been so many threads about this, will they just do it already :laugh:

I doubt if it is ever gonna happen anymore love both albums. I grew up with Tango even before i had heard any of the others and Tusk and Mirage grew on me (love both now) anyway the thing is (atleast over here, the cd business is failing (only last month another one here in town was closed and replaced by a game media store), and the cd's you do find are mostly greatest hits. I really noticed this when i became a big (Mama) Cass Elliot fan early this year (after being a casual one before). Some of her stuff has never even been released to cd to begin with (thank god for vinylrips) and all you can get in stores are best of's, heck we are all even still waiting for an oficial Buckingham/Nicks.
Don't get me wrong i'd love to get remastered tango and mirage, i just 'don't see it happening (atleast not on a large scale)
lets hope though! These are masterpieces !! They can even put some of those nice b-sides and 12" versions "h,h,h ,h,h, house on that hill, house up on that hill yeah" ;-)

Mirage is in DESPERATE need of remastering.

I finally found a car system that will amplify... Now I can actually hear some of the details of the album...

It will probably always be my favourite album cos it was the first Fleetwood Mac album I heard and then subsequently owned. I have two vinyl copies (one for every day and one for special occasions:laugh:) and they sound really good even now. I agree that the cd sounds pretty ****.

With Warner dropping all Stevie's back catalogue of albums, I'm guessing that'll be a pretty good watermark that they WON'T be remastering any of Fleetwood Mac's lesser selling albums anytime soon. :distress:

Would you guys mind to questionmark a threadtitle if you're asking for something? I just went bezerk reading "Mirage and Tango Remastered ".

Same thing with that "Atlantic City-dvd"- thread.

Item about Woodpigeon which performed at North by Northwest

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/blogs/p...s_galaxie.html

The group drew roaring applause for a punchy, electric-guitar-tweaked version of The Alison Yip School For Girls (off debut album Songbook), a song Hamilton described as "our answer to [Fleetwood Mac's] Tango In The Night," but the highlight of their set was a stellar reworking of And As The Ship Went Down, You'd Never Looked Finer, off the forthcoming Die Stadt Muzikanten.

It's one of my favorites. The good stuff on it is incomparably good (although the junk on it is filler).

Agreed, when it's good it's GREAT: Hold Me, Only Over You, Gypsy, Straight Back, Eyes Of The World. The rest of it just sounds like filler to me though. I'm just not nuts about the retro 50s theme going on either, ala Love In Store, Oh Diane, etc.

To me, the album just reeks of a pendulum swing following Tusk... it's so conservative, accessible, pop friendly, and almost dumbed down. I must admit though, on the rare occasion I put on Mirage, I always find it a very light and refreshing listen.

Mirage is tied with Tusk as far as being my favorite FM album.
Christine was genius on Mirage...some of my favorite songs of hers come from that album.
I love Hold Me, but I am most addicted to Wish You Were Here & Only Over You! lol
it also has three of my most fav Stevie songs.
and all Lindsey's songs are great (fav is Empire State)

Interesting point David. The good stuff - Hold Me, Straight Back, Gypsy & Eyes of the World is as good as their best work but it is probably the album with their worst material too. I could never understand how Christine contributed Love in Store & Hold Me and then two of the worst tracks imo in Only over You and Wish you were Here. Her work on Tusk had been great and she excelled herself on TITN with the best tracks but those two Mirage songs were really poor by her standards (IMO). The poster above liked them though, so who knows really!

stew: what is it about those songs you don't like?

just wondering...not trying to start a debate or anything lol
if we all had the same taste in music, the world would be a boring place! :lol:

I agree that she was better on Tusk and had some kickass songs on TITN though

Inquiring minds want to know: what do you consider the "good" stuff and what is the "junk"?

I definitely agree that Christine's Tusk songs were just outstanding. Every single one was worth it's weight in gold, every single one had it's own aura, and was completely different. You had poppy with Think About Me, sultry with Brown Eyes (something we've never really seen before or since with Chris), mellowest of the Mac mellow with Never Make Me Cry, etc.

Unlike some other folks, I adore Only Over You, and Wish You Were Here. I think they're great. I especially think Only Over You is cool... the way that it begins with NO instrumentation, right in the middle of the chorus... pretty neat. Almost groundbreaking for Christine. Love her voice on that one too.

I know this won't be popular, but I think That's Alright is filler fluff. I know it's a much adored Stevie song, but I think it's horribly cliche and unimaginative. Other fluff: Love In Store, Oh Diane, Can't Go Back, Book Of Love, and Empire State. This is Lindsey's weakest Mac material by far, it's almost like he was protesting the backlash from Tusk, and just released the most bland, pedestrian crap he could roll out. Which is totally at odd with how creatively on fire he was during this time. I hate he felt it had to be all his way or nothing as far as creativity within the Mac after Tusk. I guess he felt he should reserve his best material for his solo albums in that era. But at least he came back strong with Tango I suppose :shrug: .

The songs I really like on Mirage, I really like. The ones I don't, I really don't. Same kind of goes for Tango too, actually. I like Mirage better as a whole, but there are a few songs on there that I can't stand (That's Alright, Oh Diane) and a few that I consider favorites (Eyes of the World, Can't Go Back, Gypsy). I don't think it's Christine's strongest work, but I like every song of hers on the album, most being "Love in Store". I love the demos floating around from this period and would love a few more of those. What is most fun to me about this period is how everyone was branching off into their solo lands and you can start to hear it. There's that one demo of "Eyes of the World" where Stevie is singing "Enchanted" over it at the end, this is around when the demo of "Can't Go Back" bred "Wild Heart", etc. I love that kind of stuff and would love to hear more of the stuff that was floating around the studio at this time.

I'm not as interested in a Tango reissue, though I'd buy it if it existed. It's my least favorite Rumours era album, but like Mirage, there are some songs I love and some songs I can't stand, just less in the middle. I am one of what seems like the very few who loves Stevie's tracks on Tango more than anything, love the Chris/Lindsey collaborations but can do without about half that album, truth be told.

I've never really thought of it that way, but you're totally right. Christine pulled everything together and shined everything to such a glossy pop luster that it covered up the albums other flaws. But honestly, I still think Tango is the quintessential textbook 80s pop album. I don't know that I'd change a thing about it, even if it has a couple of little flaws. It's really great music that was made out of turmoil and trauma, much like Rumours. I'd definitely enjoy a remaster of this one, more than any of the other Mac/solo albums. :thumbsup: I think more than any other album, Tango just makes you smile. When it's over, you just can't be in a bad mood. And THAT says more about it than any words could!

No it is fine - I'm happy to answer. I agree it is good that we have different tastes.

Generally I really like the melody in Christine's songs. Whether slow or fast there is usually something that hooks me into the song pretty quickly. With Only Over You, I just can't get into the song - the melody never develops and the piano playing sounds heavy handed to me. With Wish You Were here, I'm not keen on the lyrics to the verses. The bit from 'There's distance between us..........thro to.......no peace inside'.....is really nice and I get what she's saying. The rest of that verse is like a demo set of lyrics I think. It feels to me like four lines that rhyme but it doesn't develop the mood she created in the first bit of the verse. She then repeats those lines a couple of times and I tend to switch off.

Just personal taste I guess:). Love in store and Hold me, I can listen to those all day long.

WHAT???????

Love In Store- Can't Go Back - Book Of Love - Empire State -Gypsy - Eyes Of The World - Wish You Were Here-That's Alright are all fab.
The only junk on it are Oh Diane, Straight Back and Only Over You.


I love Mirage. But it is definately not a masterpiece like Tusk.

And when do we learn NOT to rip apart a bandalbum by comparing contributions of each member? It's Fleetwood Mac. They all agreed on the contributions of eachother!

Mirage was the last FM album I listened to on vinyl and I always remember being absolutely mesmerized by Christine's last 2 closing songs on each side of the album. I don't know if I'd have liked them as much on their own, just presented as a single or something, but the way they came in and brought things to an ending like that was really mood-stirring. Almost like subliminal stimulation.

And the little rise in intensity, as her voice gets more urgent and a bit hurried at the last, "caa-ant get you out of my mind. As I lay here in the darkness, I can't find no peace inside . . . " It makes my pulse quicken.

I didn't discover FM until after Tusk was released, so Mirage was the first of the band's albums that I anticipated. I would stalk the library looking for news of it in magazines (because I didn't have a subscription to them) and I'd go to the campus record stores and look at the "Upcoming Releases" list. I was so excited about it. I really have no objectivity regarding Mirage.

Michele

I would buy both albums in remastered form in a heartbeat....I think they're both REALLY strong albums!!!
But the MAIN thing I want to see??? TANGO remastered, so that we FINALLY get "Ricky" ~ one of the MOST underrated FM songs EVER!! ~ on CD for the first time!!

I can't stand Tango in The Night. It's Big Love, Everywhere, the titletrack and the rest is simply garbage bubblegum nothing with an incredible smart and visionary productionsauce. Isn't it midnight is Ok. The acoustic guitarsolo in Family Man is. But overall it's grilled air. And that album ruined all the reasons why I loved this band: because of the fact that there was a lot more depth in their music than only radiofriendliness. And Then there was the track that underlined ALL the preoccupations that sceptic people had, and I fought like a lion all these years playing people Fireflies, Sisters Of The Moon, World Turning, I'm So Afraid, Eyes Of The World, Why, Brown Eyes, Not That Funny, Think About Me, That's Enough For Me, but I didn't have anything left as a defense if they said: They suck bigtime, boy, they released Little Lies.

:laugh:I know what you mean about that last part. And don't get me wrong. I like Little Lies. It falls into an ironic pattern she has that I savor. I think there's steel and darkness underneath that sugar and I very much appreciate it. I have since SYLM. BUT. I think Little Lies and Don't Stop give FM the unjust reputation that they have. FM is not Neil Sedaka, but people who think they are, think so because of those 2 songs. I mean, the singlehanded power of Little Lies to define the band forever, to condemn its entire repertoire to Captain and Tennille status -- that's somewhat remarkable. Little Lies is kind of a symbol of everything that people ridicule.

Michele

Well you pronounce it a lot better than I do as a nonnative speaker, but I think the song stinks for basicly THAT fact. I like Everywhere, though, because it's breezy and playful- very original and quite unusual in that matter.

And Don't Stop is simply a too good song: it's butchered and killed by the clintoncampagne: it has a wrong context-association now. But Back in 77? The song brought down the house on all continents, and was NOT considered as emptyheaded pop.

Let's put it this way. I was five when Little Lies came out. I remember seeing that music video either around then or when I was a little older. When The Dance came out when I was in high school, I was shocked at how much enjoyed it because I thought I didn't like Fleetwood Mac, based on that song and video from when I was in KINDERGARTEN.

That said, I like it more now and I actually have converted quite a few people with that song. I just think it's funny that I had a pre-conceived notion of the band because of that song at such a young age!

You're right, it's definately not the masterpiece that Tusk is.
Mirage and Tango were big let downs critically speaking. A
little too commercial, sugary sweet, pop tunes.

I'm sure Lindsey enjoyed cashing the checks from these releases,
but as an artist, I'd bet he was very disappointed in the direction
the band was taking. Maybe he would have stayed on for the tour
to support Tango even with all the disfunction that was going on in
the band, if he'd have been proud of the music.

I like parts of Mirage and Tango, and they need a remastering for sure.
I just wish they'd have been better albums in the first place.

I don't think it was performed on the Rumours Tour. But it was definately a hit on the Tusk Tour, especially with Christine's piano solo in the middle.

P.S. Straight Back was the BEST song on Mirage.

I couldn't have said it better!!!!!!!!! Let's not forget, When I see You Again...;):thumbsup:

When I 1st became a fan, Bella Donna, was the 1st album I bought toward it's yr long success after they released Edge of 17 as a single. So Mirage, was the 1st Fleetwood Mac album as I started getting into them, 2 weeks later it was released, and the Mirage Live Video I went to that show, and was there one of the 2 nights they filmed that show, it was amazing! But Mirage is very special to me...I would love an extended version, if you go back to The Chain Box Set, Goodbye Angel, Teen Beat & the extended version of Gypsy are on that from these sessions....I want a remastered version damnit! And yes, of TITN as well!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, but I have ENOUGH copies of Rumours already, Thank You!

Gypsy & Hold Me & Book of Love are great tracks with marvelous orchestration & ideas, but something like Oh Diane, despite its sonic clarity & delineation, seems to evaporate while you're listening to it.

Where is that written down or quoted that the band collectively agreed the tracks?

Because they are all in a band. They all brought out these recordings. Not under individual names, but under a bandname. So you should ask yourself: why should anybody question they did not agree to it?

The only exception is mabe SYW: that WAS a LB soloalbum. The deal WAS that that would be the pool of songs they were going to work with. BEFORE the definate recording started.

I meant that it was a smash-radio-HIT on all continents in 77.