Stevie was awful tonight *spoilers*
 

Seriously, it's time for her to retire. She put in absolutely no effort on any of the songs except for maybe "storms". Her eyes were half shut for most of the night and she put zero energy into any part of her performances. I was almost embarrassed for her. Her twirls during "stand back" were geriatric and as mentioned by someone else, had absolutely no chemistry with lindsey tonight. The guys in the band were great however and I don't want to take anything away from them. Stevie's performance tonight made her syw tour performances look like the mirage tour. Yes, she was that bad. What a disappointment. As someone that I bumped into at my hotel mentioned about it, she simply has no more energy or enthusiasm left for this. She really should stop performing after this tour.

Shes sixty....

She always SUCKS the first night of a tour, especially with Fleetwood Mac. Shes nervous, shes not used to the set, blah blah blah. I mean, its a pattern. Once she does more dates she will get into it. Plus, whatever happened to your set list....Angel? Blue Letter? Say you will? You were full of sh*t.

You've been on here for a month, and your "setlist" was bogus...so take your scoop and troll another Mac forum.

Well Scoop, I didn't attend tonights show but it was opening night!
Give her a chance.

Actually I've been on here since 2003, and the "preliminary" setlist that was given to me featured most of the songs that were performed tonight. However, Getting back to the topic at hand, she did not seem nervous at all. She smiled a lot and seemed quite comfortable on stage. Perhaps too comfortable. Overall it was just a lazy performance and she had zero enthusiasm for what she was doing. Alicelover, I have seen this woman perform for over 25 years and I have seen well over 50 shows. Trust me when I say "she ain't got it no more". Yes, she is 60 and perhaps her age is taking it's toll on her. But after what I saw tonight, I can honestly say she no longer has any business being on a rock and roll stage.

Since your "preliminary" setlist was handwritten by yourself on the same day you posted it, since you were the one who made it up, then no, i'm not going to trust you about anything.

Maybe she was worried and anxious about that big first flight with the rest of the band on the teeny-weeny G4? Pittsburgh to Minneapolis is enough to jangle any gypsy's nerves!

But, seriously, she's a professional entertainer. She doesn't necessarily have to like the job she's been charged with as long as the fans are happy, does she?

The truth is that La Nicks has been wildly erratic in her performances with Fleetwood Mac and to an extent her solo shows since the mid 1970s .If past tours are any indication she will be great at some shows and bad at other ones ..and I have been going to shows since 1979.As for "The Scoop" being a troll my trollometer is over in the red again.

Trolls, you can't a have a forum without 'em :shrug::angel:

One of the funny things about concerts is that some people will hate them and some people at the same concert will think its the best concert ever.

I remember going to see Bob Dylan (who is notorious for being erratic in his concert quality) and coming away thinking it was absolutely fantastic. My manager's father-in-law went and he agreed with me. However just about everyone else I spoke to thought it was a terrible concert.

I also remember going to a BB King concert and coming away heard one lady say to her friend "I wish he'd played more blues". I mean what else does BB King play?????

Concert going is very much a personal thing. Reviews are pointless other than to give a set-listing and a few factual details...

I actually agree... it's time for Stevie to throw in the towel. She sounds flat, nasally, and awful. She has terrible control of the projection of her voice, she always seems to be off key, and she has ceased giving passionate or even active performances. I really, really love her... but it's time for her to give it up.

Hmm...I take it you aren't a Bob Dylan fan or this wouldn't bother you ;)

She sounds very different from in the old days granted, some songs suit her better now than others. She does seem to avoid going for certain high notes - but always has - go and find a 1981 live show of 'edge or somthing and she will miss out the high notes even then.

On a different note, I have NEVER seen Fleetwood Mac live, I was only born in 1984, and I don't live in USA, I'm going to avoid reading bad reviews in the furure I think becasue I don't want to be put off going if they come to UK.

I am sure stevie was awesome last night and the rest of the band as well I am so excited about the tour coming to mohegan sun in connecticut can't wait.

I don't want to cause an argument, but I would like to voice my opinion... LOL She has done this for how long? Could you have a career like her's? Nope. She has toured how many times? Could you do that? no. She was nervous, I am sure. Wouldn't you be? YES. Have you ever done anything that comes close to her? Are you a living Legend? Have you sold MILLIONS of albums? No, no, and no. So, until you stand infront of THOUSANDS of people and try to give the best performane you can at 60 years old, be kind. She may be at a point where retirement is a good idea, but she is Stevie Nicks. She will do this until she can no longer walk. My point: don't judge her on this performance. Give her a little time. I appreciate reading your review of it, though. I am sure she was a bit of a mess last night. Do you think she may have had some nerve medication (to explain the partially shut eyes?)

Ok, so playing Devil's Advocate here... but since they force airline pilots retire at 60, I think they sure as HELL should make rock star sex symbols throw in their tambourines at 60! ;) Truly though, I really think Stevie should give it up. She was miserable and disconnected for the last tour, and appears she's going to be the same way again. Why keep at it?? :sorry:

Oh, please.
Hang it up at 60? Age-ist nonsence.
Remember what you're saying when someone tells YOU to hang it up when you're 60, because I gotta say, having passed 40 myself (and then some), I feel no different than I did when I was 20 or 30 and I don't think that changes when you're 60. Probably a few more aches and pains but no one is ready for The Home yet.
And I just saw Stevie this summer. So, she didn't change that much in 8 months. FM-jitters? Maybe. Or maybe people just looking to hang the woman out to dry. John looks bored at every performance. You're telling him to hang it up, too?
And, if you find her tired or boring or unable to perform, stay home. Simple as that. Stop "feeding the machine," to use Lindsey's term.

I'm not ageist at all, and I'm gay... so her sexiness appeal has ALWAYS been a non-issue to me :laugh: . But shouldn't ANYONE who no longer performs up to par consider retirement, or a change of careers? I'm talking about everyone from stock traders to janitors folks. ALL you people need to stop throwing names at each other and totally ripping someone apart because they don't worship the ground FM walks on. They're just humans, like you, I, and everyone else here are humans. They eat, breathe, fart, sh!t, etc just like the rest of us :nod: . And for what it's worth, I don't have tix for this tour, and don't know if I can justify the price now more than ever, after hearing these clips being posted online. I want to remember the band at it's best... not this.

Let's all keep in mind this is a DISCUSSION BOARD too... differing opinions keep it interesting. We all can't worship absolutely everything these people do. We're all going to have things we don't like. And for what it's worth, I do agree Stevie has sounded good on her recent solo tours (better than she has since perhaps the mid 80s). Her heart just doesn't seem to be with the Mac since Christine has left, which impacts everything from her energy level, to her voice. And THAT'S why I feel she should pack it up, and close that door. :nod:

The ones that are not going to a show are always the ones that say they suck and the ones that are attending a show are always the ones that say that Stevie (and the Mac) are great :rolleyes: It's just the way it is :shrug:

Please don't roll your eyes at me, I'm not rolling mine at you. I'm being perfectly civil folks and am trying to have an intelligent debate. The thing is, you can't accuse me of NOT seeing the Mac... I saw them 3 times on the Say You Will tour. I've seen Stevie twice since then. Girlfriend is just losing her voice and stamina, there's just no getting around it. She looks fantastic, there's no denying that either. I'll give her props for that for sure! :thumbsup: But her voice is just so lacking. Y'all can't tell me you don't cringe when you listen to the line in Storms where she sings:

"did I ever really care that much"

It's just terrible... nails on chalkboard. She's so off pitch it's not funny. Much of the rest of the song is great, but the notes she hits inadvertently hits these days... ouch. Same with the posted version of Stand Back... blech. Trust me y'all... I do love the Mac and Stevie, I really, really do. But I also know when I can call them on their fumbles. People call me on my fumbles at work... so I should be able to call the Mac on their fumbles at work. Performing is just as much their job as working in a bank is mine. Essentially we're all their employers, since we pay for their G4 rental. So we CAN constructively criticize them!

Yes, but you are basing this on what? You tube videos?
And you really think my post was ripping you apart? Where?

You can disagree. That's fine. But there is ageism in this society, and switching careers at 60 rarely happens. The spirit, flesh, and whatever may be willing but the employers-to-be are not. But, that's the real world. In la-la land, Stevie has three options: 1-hang in there and continue to provide a lot of pleasure to a lot of people who can forgive a couple of clunky notes or slightly less spring in her step, 2-hang it up and invest in a really good rocking chair or 3-sell a line of schlock jewelry from the Former Queen of Rock on QVC.

During SYW, people were saying that her performances were lacking throughout the tour. I went to a good 10 concerts (if not more--never counted) and loved each and every one. So, it's all subjective. Those who still think she has something to give, go to concerts and enjoy. When they stop enjoying, they stop going. And, if that happens, she'll get the message.

For me, it's not happening and I'm still going. I may not be happy about setlists but I still am very happy with Stevie (and with all of FM--even [gulp] Mick, in spite of his weasle-ish ways). Not blind adoration but an acknowledgement that not everything is perfect but what is presented is pretty damned good.

we all make mistakes at times and especially the opening night im sure stevie is always nervous at opening night on all the tours especially on the songs she has not done live before like storms i hope it will stay in the set on the whole tour you some times they change songs or drop i hope they dont drop actually from last night this tour is a bit shorter than say you will i think with the song list. but i am there to have a good time no matter what i enjoy stevie and the the rest of the mac i am not looking at how perfect the show its the idea of them being together and playing the music we love. Not saying how a perfection show is or how an inperfect show is either it will all be good to me no matter how they sound. but face it in recent interviews with stevie about the Say You Will making of the cd and tour was not a happy thing for her she admits that there is still some friction still between her and lindsey during the recording process and touring together so it too really wouldnt surprise me if they dont record another cd together i love say you will cd and the tour went to like 4 shows on that tour and loved every show and was even at the taped soundstage in boston as well the private show. So enjoy the moment cause this tour could be there last together i hope not but it could be.

Just based on the YouTube videos from last night it appears that Stevie wasn't firing on all cylinders. I chalk it up to either an off night or she doesn't feel well. This isn't her first show in three or four years, it's her first show in like six months and she was in fine form then. So I have a feeling that she just isn't feeling 100%. That's all it looks like to me. Her stage show hasn't looked like her 1980's shows since the 1980's!! All I can say is if you're going expecting to see the Stevie from the Mirage video then you're in for a shock. I think that's the preception most people have and are surprised that the Stevie onstage isn't the same Stevie in that video.

on a different note...
 

Not gonna join the debate fray, because there's just no winning that.

But I do have something to add, and we'll have to see how this pans out at upcoming shows.

My b/f says he thought Stevie looked hurt. Like pained and favoring one leg. Maybe she slipped backstage in her high heels or something. Mick was definitely helping her off stage.

OH NO! The return of the frankenboks may be looming!:distress::distress:

Well, why are so many of you dissapointed with Stevie??? I watched te video of Stand Back that desrtangl posted here and I thought she was really great! Well, you know, this is the first show, things can change...

I can't be in any concert because I live in Sweden and I'm not able to go to the U.S, but if Fleetwood Mac came here I would defenitly go and see them. I see these videos that are uploaded from yesterday's concert and I'm thinking "The Mac Is Back!"

I would just say that with the Soundstage that is practically brand new, with her doing so many numbers during that performance that people found so fresh and exciting (Sara for you Louie, for example and Crash for me, even though I had not liked Crash before), it's a bit premature to say she should retire. Certainly, she doesn't have what she once had, but what remains is still "so very powerful."

And yeah Regina you have a point. A Youtube video clip just doesn't tell the whole story.

Michele

:mad:*hisses angrily* First, you come in here with a fake setlist, then you tell us that Stevie sucks. That is not a good way to start it off, IMO.

For instance: (I am most certainly not pick on you, it's just an example!) Carrie was picking on Stevie last night on the setlist topic. But she has over 10,000 posts. When you have 10,000 posts, you can bitch about Stevie as much as you want. But one of the first things you post here shouldn't be bashing the woman half of the people on this board are obcessed with.

:shrug: I'm very unimpressed.

Oy. Don't tell me Lindsey has been kicking her again. :shocked: :mad:

Kicking? He's kicked her? I thought he just slapped her around a bit. I am shocked by this allegation.

i do not believe this why would he do this.

maybe she forgot to get clearance from Lindsey before slipping into that burgundy number.

He did. Reads Mick's book.

I do believe lindsey kicked stevie back in 1979 or 1980 during the tusk tour on stage in front of an audience i believe i do believe mick fleetwood mentions this in his book that came out back in 1990. i dont think they do that now they matured now.

I almost have 1,000 posts, so am I allowed to say that it's ridiculous to suggest someone who only has a few posts can't express an opinion that someone who has 10,000 can?

You hit the nail on the head with the word "obsessed" and quite frankly people who are obsessed usually cant be objective. I know it's tough to listen to criticisms of people we love, but that doesn't mean they aren't valid or true in some cases.

Should Stevie retire because she's not performing to the expectations of some? Of course not, the people who don't like her current performances should just stop going to see her.

So you are digging her grave and ready to nail it shut because of one performance???

Or if indeed she has gotten to the point where the energey level will never return you are calling for her retirement? How about being a little more open minded and forgiving. She is 60 years old. I am amazed sometimes at how harsh people are toward her sometimes.

Then stop your bitching and don't go.

Anyone who doesn't love Stevie CAN send their concert tickets to ME!!!! haha I'll gladly go see Stevie even if she is laying on the stage floor singing. haha I'm going to see her in May and I cannot wait!! The whole point is to GO SEE FLEETWOOD MAC before they retire or anything happens to any one of them. Enjoy them for choosing to be on the road for their true fans:nod:

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I would pay for good seats to see that kind of energy from any of them again.....:thumbsup: