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Les 08-27-2001 10:28 PM

First vote results and finalizing discussion...
 
Hi there,

The first vote is over and the results are as follows:

Option 1 - Best Of 1 Compilation garnered 39 votes (66.10%)
Option 2 - Best Of 2 Compilation garnered 13 votes (22.03%)
Option 3 - Live Concert(s) garnered 2 votes (3.39%)
Option 4 - Documentary & videos garnered 3 votes (5.08%)
Option 5 - Documentary & selected live performances garnered 2 votes (3.39%)

Option 1 was selected by the majority and is listed below:

Option 1 – Best Of 1 Compilation. The compilation would consist of most or all of the band’s music videos plus a variety of “favorite” live performances through the years. The format would be something like the following with performances and videos presented chronologically by era:

1. Why (Capital Center ‘75 Concert) ~3:45
2. Station Man (Capital Center ’75 Concert) ~4:00
3. Rhiannon (Rosebud) 6:52
4. I’m So Afraid (Rosebud) 5:02
5. Say You Love Me (Rosebud) 3:55
6. World Turning (Midnight Special) ~6:00?
7. Go Your Own Way (Rosebud) 3:32
8. Dreams (Paris Promo) 4:19
9. You Make Loving Fun (Japan) 3:45
10. The Chain (Mirage Concert) 5:45
11. Tusk (video) 3:30
12. Sara (Tusk Doc) 4:08
13. Not That Funny (Tusk Doc) 2:10
14. Sisters of the Moon (Mirage) 7:45
15. Hold Me (video) 3:57
16. Gypsy (video) 4:12
17. Eyes of the World (Mirage) 3:45
18. Little Lies (video) 3:34
19. Seven Wonders (video) 3:38
20. Big Love (video) 3:57
21. Everywhere (video) 3:41
22. As Long As You Follow (video) 4:07
23. Save Me (video) 4:14
24. Skies the Limit (video) 3:42
25. Paper Doll (video) 3:56
26. Love Shines (video) 4:10
27. Silver Springs (Dance) 5:45
28. Bleed to Love Her (Dance) 3:14
29. Landslide (Dance) 3:50
30. Don’t Stop (The Brits) ~4:00

McVie: 12 songs
Nicks: 9 songs
Buckingham: 10 songs (incl. Station Man as “lead” singer)
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As stated earlier, the way we're going to proceed is to place this current list for Option 1 in a vote against not more than two variations on this list. For the next two days (Tuesday 8/28 & Wednesday 8/29), y'all are invited to share and discuss your ideas for replacements or variations on the current list that you'd like to see in the running in the final vote.

Do you have your heart set on having all of the concept videos included? Would you prefer the performance of a particular song in place of one that is already on the list? Do you want different members represented? If so, please feel free to share those ideas and any others.

My requests -- 1) Check the vault list to see that what you're requesting on your list appears to be in the vault; 2) Remember we're shooting for about 120 minutes worth of material; 3) Please compile complete lists that I can put in a head to head poll with the current list. As no more than two lists will be put up against the current list, perhaps if you share similar ideas with some other Ledgies, it might be most productive to work together on one list, letting others with similar ideas work on another list. 4) Finalize these challenger list(s) by Wednesday night for inclusion in the final vote by Thursday morning.

The final vote will begin on Thursday (8/29). The list that receives the most votes between the current list and the one or two list variations compiled in the next few days of discussion, will be the list sent to Ken Caillat as our "wish list."

Any questions? Please ask. Thanks again everyone for participating in this. Let the discussions begin . . .

d2brian 08-27-2001 11:24 PM

Personally, I'd really like it if all the videos are on there. Family Man isn't really important, though, since it'd be redundant to have it along with Seven Wonders on the disc. Also, apparently it's not on the vault list. I also think regardless of the 'lack of bandmember screentime', Everywhere and ITBOMM should be in there for the completeness factor.

I'm a horribly pessimistic person, but I'm actually kinda optimistic when it comes to the chances of the Tusk and Mirage things being rereleased after this disc, and really, if that's even a factor, it wouldn't be a bad idea to leave off the material from those 2 videos PLUS The Dance stuff, and just be patient and hopefully wait for a Tusk/Mirage concerts rerelease.

Another thing is, people seem to be mentioning the Rumours, Post-Rumours, and Greeny eras of the band, but would it hurt to maybe have one or two lil' bits from the Bob Welch era? 'Cause Bob rules.

Okay, I'll quit bothering everyone now. Sorry. :)

~Brian

macfan 57 08-28-2001 06:40 AM

I would definitely want all 12 of the concept videos from List 1. I have no interest in the Family Man video. In the Back of My Mind-maybe. I am not as optimistic about the Tusk/Mirage concerts being eventually released on DVD so I would want to keep the live songs from those 2 videos on List 1. I would still like to see Songbird, but I realize Christine already has a lot of songs on List 1. I like most of List 1, except the 3 Dance videos, which are already on the Dance DVD. However, I want to get 10,000 signatures on the petition and I think the more commercial this DVD would be, the better chance there would be of getting 10,0000 signatures. I would keep Silver Springs from the Dance songs. I would add Peter Green's Oh Well. I'm not sure about keeping Landslide. In the future, I would hope eventually that the Tusk, Mirage, Tango & Disney documentary will all be released on DVD. Whatever is decided with this DVD, I'll be happy with anything. I just want something released.

Jo and Jensen 08-28-2001 07:55 AM

Thanks Les. Here's a repost from the other post.

Hello! We were looking at the Option #1. And this is what we would do if it was in our hands. Good or no? What do you think?
*** Asteriks represent changes (songs that were added). We removed some to make room: The Everywhere Video, Bleed to Love Her and Landslide from The Dance, and Save Me video.

1. Albatross (or) Oh Well (?) *******
2. Why (Capital Center ‘75 Concert) ~3:45
3. Station Man (Capital Center ’75 Concert) ~4:00
4. Rhiannon (Rosebud) 6:52
5. I’m So Afraid (Rosebud) 5:02
6. Say You Love Me (Rosebud) 3:55
7. Monday Morning (Japan) ********
8. World Turning (Midnight Special) ~6:00?
9. Go Your Own Way (Rosebud) 3:32
10. Dreams (Paris Promo) 4:19
11. You Make Loving Fun (Japan) 3:45
12. Gold dust woman (3 reels) ********
13. The Chain (Mirage Concert) 5:45
14. Tusk (video) 3:30
15. Sara (Tusk Doc) 4:08
16. Not That Funny (Tusk Doc) 2:10
17. Sisters of the Moon (Mirage) 7:45
18. Hold Me (video) 3:57
19. Gypsy (video) 4:12
20. Eyes of the World (Mirage) 3:45
21. Oh Diane (billed on the list as The FM story") ******
22. Little Lies (video) 3:34
23. Seven Wonders (video) 3:38
24. Big Love (video) 3:57
25. As Long As You Follow (video) 4:07
26. Something from Rick or/and Billy? Suggestions anyone???***
27. Skies the Limit (video) 3:42
28. Paper Doll (video) 3:56
29. Love Shines (video) 4:10
30. Silver Springs (Dance) 5:45
31. Don’t Stop (The Brits) ~4:00

We are hoping that the live Tusk and Mirage concerts will be released on DVD, but we are not too optimistic at this point. We were hoping that if friends of people saw this than they would get interested in the live clips and then maybe somewhere down the line they would be released on DVD. And then everyone could have a good, crisp, clear copy. :cool:

chiliD 08-28-2001 12:59 PM

I don't see it on the vault list (maybe its just titled something cryptic), but I KNOW there's footage of the "Mystery To Me" lineup on Midnight Special in 1973. When VH1 was showing reruns of the program a year or two ago, they'd play BOTH the 1973 ("Believe Me" & "Miles Away") & 1975 ("Why", "Rhiannon", "World Turning", "Over My Head") episodes.

I see "World Turning" is already on the list, but I think one of the tunes from the 1973 appearance would be appropriate for the DVD.

I think the Midnight Special performance of "Rhiannon" is far superior to the Rosebud film version.

Also, "I Loved Another Woman" from the "Tango" video would give Rick Vito a spot on the DVD AND would also cover bases for a Peter Green tune...Rick's intro of the song DOES "dedicate" the song to Peter Green. But in saying that, maybe to open the DVD with a performance of the original+Danny lineup playing "Oh Well" would be appropriate.

Again, like John (wetcamelfood) has mentioned, I think that there should be SOME inclusion of material by as many members as possible. We can't let Bob Welch be ignored on this DVD; the band already snubbed him from being inducted into the R&RHoF, let's not make the same mistake.

Ok, Les, I want to be clear on the concept here. This is just to fine tune WHAT will be on the DVD, the actual running order of the DVD will be decided at another time? Right?

Les 08-28-2001 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chiliD
Ok, Les, I want to be clear on the concept here. This is just to fine tune WHAT will be on the DVD, the actual running order of the DVD will be decided at another time? Right?
Hi,

Actually, no. We need this vote to be for the content AND your preferred running order because we just need to get this done and sent to Ken as soon as we can.

I understand there was some discussion that the current list for Option 1 was not in entirely correct chronological order. We can either change that one to reflect perfect chronology or we can keep songs of the same era together, but fiddle with their placement a little so that, for example, there aren't 6 Christine songs in a row or something like that.

About the Midnight Specials . . . I know the Mac appeared on Midnight Special more than just the one time that appears to be in the WB vault list, but if the footage from the other appearances isn't in the WB vault, I'm not sure where that leaves us in terms of trying to get it on the DVD.

Johnny Stew 08-28-2001 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chiliD
We can't let Bob Welch be ignored on this DVD; the band already snubbed him from being inducted into the R&RHoF, let's not make the same mistake.
It's not clear from looking at the Video Vault list that anything from the Bob Welch era is even available to use, unfortunately.



Johnny Stew

jwd 08-28-2001 04:04 PM

Just to add some of my own thoughts and add to others' posts.

I'm not too fond of the "Everywhere" video. A substitute version from either The Tango Concert Video or The Dance would better represent that song IMO.

I agree that "Songbird" should be included in the video. To me it doesn't matter who gets how many songs but more importantly that the songs Fleetwood Mac is most famous/loved for be included.

The Love Shines video(an amateuric video and a not too well known song) could be dropped in place of something representing another incarnation of Fleetwood Mac. Let's say "Hypnotized" by Bob Welch performed by him or the Lindsey/Stevie lineup.

Put on a different version of Landslide from the earlier days. There has to be SOMETHING on that song in "the vaults". Not that I don't like The Dance version but I just don't think it should be overly represented on the compilation video.

I think I'm partial to The Midnight Special version of Rhiannon too, but can live with either that one or The Rosebud version.

Include a video for "Over My Head"..we shouldn't leave any of the hits off the compilation.

Thanks for listening and to Les and Johnny Stew for their time.

Joe :wavey:

chiliD 08-28-2001 04:12 PM

Joe,

I, for one, think that the "Love Shines" video is an extremely important video to be included; just for the REASON it isn't all that well known. If there is a mix of known & obscure material, it would please more people. If we concentrate too much on relatively common clips & footage, we're defeating the initial motivation for this DVD. To get stuff that has been buried in the vaults out to the fans. Not a rehash of the hits over & over again.

jwd 08-28-2001 04:22 PM

chiliD

You're absolutely right...get more stuff that is relatively unknown out to the fans, but im my opinion the video just wasn't that good . If the song was better represented by another live or conceptual shot , I'd be happier. Therefore I think it could be scrapped for something else "relatively unknown".


Joe

Lori 08-28-2001 10:49 PM

Hi, everyone!
 
Okay, I know I'm supposed to compose and submit an entire list, but I'm really short on time. I have just a couple of comments:

I agree with Joe on two points:

1) I would like to see an earlier version of Landslide. Most everyone has seen or owns the Dance version, and if an earlier performance is included, maybe it will introduce some younger (Dance era) fans to the earlier stuff.

2) I would also like to see a performance of Over My Head included. As I said before, I love the outdoor performance where Stevie is harmonizing on the "your mood is like a circus wheel..." part and she's making her fingers go round and round. I have very few brain cells intact anymore, so I'm not sure where that footage is from - Rosebud?? Can anyone help? Is it on the vault list?

Now I'd like to disagree with Joe a bit (sorry, buddy! ;) ) - I'd like to see the Love Shines video included...it may not be the BEST or most professionally shot video I've ever seen, but I get a really happy vibe from it; Christine looks so happy, and there's lots of dancing and stuff...it just gives me the warm fuzzies, kind of like the Seven Wonders video does.

I'd also STILL like to see the LA live performance of Love in Store included - it's a great performance. I don't think anyone answered my question from before about whether a video was made for that song, since it was a single from Mirage (and Gypsy and Hold Me both had videos), but I don't believe it did have a "concept" video. It was a fairly big hit, though, at least in MY neck of the woods ;) - and it charted pretty well, I think...if memory serves, I think it reached #19?

One more thought: I see on the vault list this entry: 20th Grammy Awards '78 (03:30). I'm assuming that this is whatever song the group performed on the Grammy awards show, but does anyone know what song it was? I'm thinking it may have been Dreams, since that was the biggest single from Rumours, but I truly don't know. I was just thinking that whatever song it is, if it is a song already listed on the Best Of compilation list, that maybe the Grammy performance could be a cool substitution. Thoughts? Also, it would be cool if this was included, to also show FM winning the Album of the Year award, and their acceptance, if that footage is available.

If anyone could answer the few questions I have regarding 1)the Over My Head performance I'm talking about, and if it was from the Rosebud video or from somewhere else, and 2)what song was performed at the '78 Grammy's, then I may try to compose and submit a list.

Thanks in advance, guys!
Lori :wavey:

Johnny Stew 08-29-2001 03:19 AM

Lori, that performance of "Over My Head" was shown on Disney's Fleetwood Mac: Going Home, and appears to me to have been filmed at that same Santa Barbara concert they used footage from for 'Rosebud.'
We had a Midnight Special performance on the list, but it got dropped from the list for two reasons...

1) An interest was expressed in seeing the Buckingham Nicks incarnation of Fleetwood Mac perform some of the older Mac tunes.
and
2) It wasn't apparent from the list that that particular performance was available to use.

So we switched "Over My Head" for "Why."

Presumeably, the Santa Barbara performance IS on the list, as "Remote @ UC Santa Barbara."
Wish Warner Bros. would have given us a more exact rundown though!


It is a cool version, and your suggestion is duly noted, doll!
:)


Johnny Stew

marc402 08-29-2001 03:27 AM

Everywhere too!!
 
I'd just like to say that i would really like to see the concept-video for everywhere included. I for one like it oke i know stevie and Lindsey aren't even in there , but it is one of there bigest hits , and we are trying to get the 10.000 so i think it should be on there.
Well and about landslide i love that song. It is actualy my favorite mac song of all time so i like to see it included. But i don't mind wich version really aslong as it's on there.
Lets hope we gete the votes!!!

David R 08-29-2001 05:08 AM

I think the list Les has is about as good as it's going to get, I would have liked to seen Not That Funny from the Mirage Video but a ten minute song is too long for an already long list. Also I wanted to ask if this dvd would be in 2 channels or will Ken be able to remaster the music videos in 5.1 sound?;) I'm sure the concerts other then the dance will have to be in 2 channels. Anyone know?:confused:

Little Queenie 08-29-2001 05:11 AM

I like most of the running order on the list, but I would some changes like omitting The Dance songs because there is already the DVD so people can just buy that and then they can add more MAc stuff like some Bob Welch and Peter green era stuff cause I love that stuff too.

As someone mentioned earlier about "Believe Me" and "Miles Away" from the Midnight Special Nov. 1973 would be great. I thought that was a really good performance and the only Mac performance I've seen with Bob Welch. Good thing I taped that when it aired on VH-1 back a couple years ago.

I think maybe using "You Make Loving Fun" from the Rosebud video instead of jApan would be better. But then I don't know if you want more different performacnces from different shows because it already looks like every Rosedbud performance from 1976 is on there.

I think "Oh Well", "Albatross," and "Black Magic Woman" should be added along with "Green Manalishi should be added. If you guys do take off the Dance songs then the Peter Green and Bob Welch songs could be added. I mean Peter GReen was in the original Mac. So it would be a good homage. Hopefully they could pull out some vintage Mac performance from the 60s.

and what about "angeL"??? But then I can wait for The TUSK DOc to be released on DVD. Hopefully this will happen!
and what do you know I am listening to TUSK...


well that's my two cents or 25 cents ...what can you buy with a nickel anymore? just thinking about it now... ok that had nothing to do with THE MAC!
-April:)

macfan 57 08-29-2001 06:41 AM

I generally agree with a lot of the suggestions posted so far. I would keep only Silver Springs from the Dance video. I would try to find an earlier version of Landslide. I would add Songbird from Mirage. I had thought of Over My Head when I posted yesterday, but I didn't see it in the vault except for the Dance version. This was the band's first U.S. hit single. If any version other than the Dance version can be found, I think it should be included. I would also like to see both the Everywhere and Love Shines concept videos included. I love both songs and the videos are both certainly pretty rare. I also think Peter Green's version of Oh Well should be included. If it weren't for Peter Green, there would be no Fleetwood Mac and this website would not exist. Also, something from the Bob Welch era would be nice too. I believe there might be a version of Hypnotized on the 1975 concert film, even though Lindsey sings it. I have a tape from 1975 and it is the last song on the video. This could be used if something with Bob Welch can't be found in the vault.

chiliD 08-29-2001 11:17 AM

UC Santa Barbara
 
I was at that UCSB show that they filmed...if I remember correctly (we're going on major memory taxation here) this is what they played (this is CLOSE to the actual running order):

Sunny Side Of Heaven
Station Man
Spare Me A Little
Rhiannon
Why
Landslide
Over My Head
Oh Well
I'm So Afraid
Green Manalishi
Go Your Own Way (remember folks, this was filmed May 1976!!!)
World Turning
Blue Letter

(encores)
Rattlesnake Shake (I seem to remember them playing this, but I could be wrong)
Don't Let Me Down Again
Hypnotized

Gypsyblue 08-29-2001 04:15 PM

It'd would be nice to get a earlier performance's of Rhiannon on there. May be from the 1976 show???

baugh 08-29-2001 05:57 PM

dvd thoughts
 
:) I really like the choices for the live footage. I would include the Grammys of '78 in the list. I would leave out the dance stuff only because we've seen it lately. I really don't understand having videos on list unless they are playing live on them. I would instead, use the promos and talk show clips etc. as filler inbetween the live stuff. But regardless, I would really like to see the grammys of '78 on the list..... would be nice to see Lindsey do Oh Well.....:cool:

Les 08-29-2001 07:15 PM

Re: Hi, everyone!
 
Hi Lori,

Quote:

Originally posted by Lori
One more thought: I see on the vault list this entry: 20th Grammy Awards '78 (03:30). I'm assuming that this is whatever song the group performed on the Grammy awards show, but does anyone know what song it was?
I'm not 100% positive here, but I'm fairly sure that they didn't actually perform at the '78 Grammys. They were there in the audience and all went up on stage to collect their awards. But I think the footage is just of them collecting their awards and not of a performance.

About the Over My Head footage you were asking about -- "Rosebud" is my best guess, but I'm not sure. Also, you're right, there was no concept video made for "Love in Store." As far as I know, the only video footage of that song that is available is on the Mirage concert.

Les 08-29-2001 08:13 PM

Hi,

I don't know about you, but there were some periods today where the Ledge wasn't accessible to me. That cut down on the time I had to see what was going on here and to try to answer a few questions a little earlier in the day. So what I'd like to do is give those of you who are working on lists until tomorrow early afternoon (Thursday 8/30) to post your complete list for the final vote. The lists must be complete. I'll collect the final lists by 10:00am PST (that's 1pm EST). Then I'll post the final vote tomorrow afternoon/evening.

In the event that there are more than two challenger lists to go in the final vote . . . I just suggest that you post your lists tonight or as early as you can tomorrow to see how many potential challenger lists there are and then, if need be, negotiate with each other about which two you'd like to be placed in the final vote.

Thanks everyone!

Little Queenie 08-30-2001 04:30 AM

ahh it's 4:20Am... HA

anyways.. I was going to through the list again and was trying to figure out some more song changes and placement of songs.

1. Oh Well (either Rumours era at Remote @UCSB or Peter Green era...preferably Peter Green)
2. Black Magic Woman(there was a performance filmed, I think, in Sweden back in 1969. So maybe this could be a possibility but it's not listed on the Vault list)
3. Why (Capitol Center 1975) 3:45
4. Station Man (Capitol Center 1975) 4:00
5. Over my Head (Remote @ UCSB..only going on from what I read about chiliD posted)
6. Landslide(possibly from Japan or the clip they showed in the GOing Home Documentary where somone gives her a flower at the end of the song)
7. Rhiannon (Rosebud) 6:52
8. Say You Love Me (Rosebud) 3:55
9. I'm So Afraid (Rosebud) 5:02
10. World Turning (Midnight Special) 6:00
11. Go Your Own Way (Rosebud or maybe from Japan)
12. Dreams (Paris promo) 4:19
13. You Make Loving Fun (Japan) 3:45
14. The Chain (Mirage concert) 5:45
15. Tusk (video) 3:30
16. Sara (Tusk Doc) 4:08
17. Sisters of the Moon (MIrage) 7:45
18. Hold Me (Video) 3:57
19. Gypsy(video) 4:12
20. Eyes of the World (MIrage concert) 3:45
21. Little Lies(video) 3:34
22. Seven Wonders (video)
23. big Love (video) 3:57
24. Everywhere (video) 3:41
25. As Long As You Follow(Video) 4:07
26. Save Me (video) 4:14
27. Skies the Limit(video)3:42
28. Paper Doll (video) 3:56
29. Love Shines (video) 4:10
30. Silver Springs(Wetten Das 1/23/98)
31. Don't Stop (Brit Awards 1998) 4:00


Then I was thinking, there is most of the Rosebud flim in this list.
So how about releasing the Capitol Center 1975, Remote@UCSB and the Rosebud 1976 films together on one DVD. Just my thinking. But then again, it would be nice to have previews to them on this one compilation and maybe Warner Bros could release all the live concerts in FULL!

Oh and I was thinking about ending the compilation with Songbird or Blue Letter or Hypnotized.

that's all for me!

-April:)

macfan 57 08-30-2001 06:11 AM

The last list from Little Queenie is nearly perfect. The only thing I would change would be to replace Black Magic Woman since it is probably not available with Hypnotized either from 1975 Capital Center or 1976 UCSB and then add in Songbird from Mirage at the end.

Jo and Jensen 08-30-2001 07:45 AM

Hello this is the list that we came up with. Hope it's good!

1. Albatross
2. Why (Capital Center ‘75 Concert) ~3:45
3. Station Man (Capital Center ’75 Concert) ~4:00
4. Rhiannon (Rosebud) 6:52
5. I’m So Afraid (Rosebud) 5:02
6. Say You Love Me (Rosebud) 3:55
7. Monday Morning (Japan)
8. World Turning (Midnight Special) ~6:00?
9. Go Your Own Way (Rosebud) 3:32
10. Dreams (Paris Promo) 4:19
11. You Make Loving Fun (Japan) 3:45
12. Gold dust woman (3 reels)
13. The Chain (Mirage Concert) 5:45
14. Tusk (video) 3:30
15. Sara (Tusk Doc) 4:08
16. Not That Funny (Tusk Doc) 2:10
17. Sisters of the Moon (Mirage) 7:45
18. Hold Me (video) 3:57
19. Gypsy (video) 4:12
20. Eyes of the World (Mirage) 3:45
21. Oh Diane (billed on the list as The FM story")
22. Little Lies (video) 3:34
23. Seven Wonders (video) 3:38
24. Big Love (video) 3:57
25. As Long As You Follow (video) 4:07
26. In The Back Of My Mind (video)
27. Skies the Limit (video) 3:42
28. Paper Doll (video) 3:56
29. Love Shines (video) 4:10
30. Silver Springs (Dance) 5:45
31. Don’t Stop (The Brits) ~4:00

We are hoping that the live Tusk and Mirage concerts will be released on DVD, but we are not too optimistic at this point. We were hoping that if friends of people saw this than they would get interested in the live clips and then maybe somewhere down the line they would be released on DVD. And then everyone could have a good, crisp, clear copy. ;)

wetcamelfood 08-30-2001 08:53 AM

list
 
OK Les, this is a list put together by me and Brian (d2brian). We hope you and everybody like it:

1. Oh well (video comp reel)
2. Station man (Capitol center ‘75)
3. Hypnotized (Capitol center ‘75)
4. Over my head (remote @ UC Santa Barbara)
5. Rhiannon (Midnight special)
6. World turning (Midnight special)*
7. Say you love me (Rosebud)
8. I’m so afraid) (Rosebud)
9. Dreams (Paris promo)
10. You make loving fun (Japan)
11. The chain (Tusk doc)
12. Tusk (music video)
13. Sara (Tusk doc)
14. Not that funny (Mirage (“Live in LA/Visible time code)
15. Sisters of the moon (Mirage (“Live in LA/Visible time code”)
16. Hold me (music video)
17. Gypsy (music video)
18. Big love (music video)
19. Seven wonders (music video)
20. Little lies (music video)
21. Everywhere (music video)
22. As long as you follow (music video)
23. (I loved) Another woman (from “Tango in the night” video tape)
24. Save me (music video)
25. Skies the limit (music video)
26. In the back of my mind (music video)
27. Paper doll (music video)
28. Love shines (music video)
29. Silver springs (Dance)*
30. Go your own way (Brit awards)
31. Don’t stop (Brit awards)
32. (or “special features”): “TV ads”

The *ed items would be our choices for the first to be “axed” if there is not enough time available on the disc. ("Silver springs" would go first)

We thought the “TV ads” that are on the vault list would make a nice “special feature” (to be put on that section of the disc) to see what Warners had put together to promote some of the releases over the years, sort of like a trailer on a movie DVD.

We just went by the most chronological that we could in so far as how the “hits” were released with obvious exceptions (such as the Brit awards stuff as this was the “reunion” time as it’s impossible for any band that has reunions to remain truly chronological if they put together a collection like this in this “best of” format anyways. The order can always be swapped around if necessary, we are OK about that.

The songwriting breakdown is as follows:

Green: 1 1/2 (1/2 being Vito’s cover of “(I loved) Another woman”)
Burnette: 1
Kirwan: 1 (well, 1/2 really as “Station man” is performed by the BN lineup. There’s simply no Kirwan led footage on that list unfortunately)
Welch: 1 (well 1/2 really as “Hypnotized” is performed by the BN lineup. There’s simply no Welch era footage on that list unfortunately)
Vito: (none, but let’s say 1/2 because of his “representation performance” with “(I loved) Another woman”)
Buckingham: 8 1/2 (1/2 being “World turning”, the full figures include “Station man”, “Hypnotized” & “The chain” as him on “lead”)
Nicks: 8
Mcvie: 11 1/2 (1/2 being “World turning”)

Of course this would be if it stands the way it is, it would have to be added (or subtracted) accordingly due to time restrictions.

For those that like the idea of “duplication” of “run of the mill” stuff, on this list, there would be 2 from Tusk doc, 2 from Mirage tape (though I hope by utilizing these clips from the “Visible time code” footage that these may be uncut (as to me it certainly seems like there are quite poor, obvious edits in “Sisters...” & “Not that funny” on the Mirage tapes that appeared in the stores. Maybe I’m wrong but at least there would be a chance
that those clips may be unedited. I agree that it would be a “bummer” if there was a little clock up in the corner (or whatever seems to be the assumption of what is on the footage
in this regard) but surely Ken can remove that as I’ve seen bootleg copies of Rosebud etc. where the bootleggers managed to remove the credits from the screen so if they can do
that, I’m confident that Ken can remove the clocks) one from “Tango...” and “Silver springs” from the Dance if something HAS to stay on from that but we would hope this would be
voted off and/or as we say, we would consider this “first to be axed” if the running time is too long (given the length of “Sisters...” & “Not that funny”) and with the Brits stuff being there those who want 1997 “era” stuff they would have it in the form of those 2 Brits performances (3 if “Silver springs” is left on)..

As for the rest, There are 2 from Midnight special, 2 from Rosebud, 2 from Capitol center ‘75 and one each elsewhere so it would be more spread out and varied this way too.

As far as the videos, it looks like this would be the most we could get, for those who wanted a "complete videos collection" anyways, it pretty much covers all the “essential” non “redundant” ones (unlike “Family man” etc.)

We are more confident than some others seem to be that Tusk & Tango will and/or can be released on DVD in the future if all goes well on this original project, we also feel positive that the rights to the Mirage tape could be worked out by the relevant parties in the future for disc release as well and therefore we certainly hope (that by agreeing to popular demand of having some of this material on our list for this release) that none of this such material is released on future discs other than in thier complete state as just discussed.

We think we've covered as many areas as possible here, hopefully you guys will think so to!

John (and Brian)

Les 08-30-2001 11:10 AM

Hi April,

Great list! I hope my this doesn't seem too nit-picky, but I just need your list to be as complete as you can make it . . . . For this vote we need to eliminate the "maybes" from this list.

1. Oh Well (either Rumours era at Remote @UCSB or Peter Green era...preferably Peter Green)

Can I ask you to pick one specifically? If you want a Peter Green version, specify where it would come from on the vault list; Otherwise, I'll put the Rumours-era version in the vote.

2. Black Magic Woman(there was a performance filmed, I think, in Sweden back in 1969. So maybe this could be a possibility but it's not listed on the Vault list)

If it's not on the vault list, I don't know what are chances are for getting it on the DVD. I'll have to remove this from your list, unfortunately.

6. Landslide(possibly from Japan or the clip they showed in the GOing Home Documentary where somone gives her a flower at the end of the song)

I need you to pick one.

11. Go Your Own Way (Rosebud or maybe from Japan)

Pick one.

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this.

Les 08-30-2001 11:14 AM

Hi Jo/Jensen,

Another great list! Like I said to April, I need the lists to be as complete as possible, so just one lingering question for you --

1. Albatross

Can you specificy from where in the vault list this would come?

Thanks to you too for putting time and effort in to this!

Jo and Jensen 08-30-2001 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Les
Hi Jo/Jensen,

Another great list! Like I said to April, I need the lists to be as complete as possible, so just one lingering question for you --

1. Albatross

Can you specificy from where in the vault list this would come?

Thanks to you too for putting time and effort in to this!

Hi Les!

'Albatross' is listed under "Video Comp Reel".

The Video Comp Reel is listed right under the "Going Home" listing.
It is the sixth song listed under the first 'Video Comp Reel'.

We hope this helps.

Les 08-30-2001 12:37 PM

Perfect. Thanks!

Les 08-30-2001 01:01 PM

Alrighty...
 
We've got the original Option 1 list, a list from John & Brian, a list from Jo & Jensen. These are the complete lists at this point and will be in the final vote.

I still want to give April a little bit more time to respond . . . . I know I said I'd only take two challenger lists, but I'll take the third too if April gets back in the next few hours. I'll post the final vote tonight around 6pm (PST).

Little Queenie 08-30-2001 06:22 PM

Hi les,
my computer is being really slow now... anyways

Oh well( video reel)

Landslide(Going Home Doc)

GYOW (Rosebud)

That should do it!

I am glad to help out!

-April:)

Les 08-30-2001 08:04 PM

Thanks April!


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