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Regina 09-15-2008 04:53 PM

Gut reactions to GoS
 
First listening:
Wasn't entirely sure about Great Day or Time Precious Time.
Liked/loved the stuff I heard before (Loved: Did You Miss Me, Right Place to Fade, Wait for You. Like: GoS)
Wasn't sure about Love Runs Deeper and Bel Air Rain
LOVED Underground and Treason.

Second listening:
Really like Time Precious Time, Great Day is growing on me.
Still like/love all the stuff I've heard before (see list above)
Not crazy about Love Runs Deeper, even less crazy about Bel Air Rain
Adore Underground, really love Treason.

We'll see what happens with the third listening party.

Over and out.

TrueFaith77 09-15-2008 05:12 PM

lol

that was fun. i wish i had friends to share my mac enthusiasms with (my friends aren't mac fans). so i'm glad for The Ledge. I don't want to say much til I write about it, but my gut reaction (subject to change) is that this is the most satisfying Lindsey solo album.

ajmccarrell 09-15-2008 05:20 PM

Wow! You said something negative, "Shackin' Up" will have your head for this!!!!! :laugh:

shackin'up 09-15-2008 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell (Post 773470)
Wow! You said something negative, "Shackin' Up" will have your head for this!!!!! :laugh:

Come on stop it. Everybody can say something negative. It's about taste. You said something stupid. That's something else.

David 09-15-2008 06:25 PM

I always wanted to be a first respondent! Lindsey puts a Kingston Trio-ish melody -- redolent of the folky early '60s, Beach Boys ballads, & legendary venues like the Hungry I -- on every album nowadays. Sometimes it's an actual cover of a Trio song (or song recorded by the Trio). On OUT OF THE CRADLE, it was ALL MY SORROWS. On SAY YOU WILL, it was STEAL YOUR HEART AWAY. On UNDER THE SKIN, it was CAST AWAY DREAMS. On this current album, it's DID YOU MISS ME. These are in some ways the best songs on their respective albums.

Regina 09-15-2008 07:14 PM

I was listening outdoors the first two times.
I'm listening in my teeny, tiny home office now.
The guitar work (and, mind you, I know nothing about nothing except what I like to hear and what sounds good to my own ears), is incredible on those first two songs.
(That's all I'm up to so far;-)

I do love these first few times you listen to an album.
It's so exciting.

New Stuff! (From LINDSEY! Man, I was on the Ledge a decade ago and waiting for GoS seemed like waiting for Godot). He finally came through, and in such a big way. I'm very proud of the guy.

TrueFaith77 09-15-2008 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina (Post 773514)
I was listening outdoors the first two times.
I'm listening in my teeny, tiny home office now.
The guitar work (and, mind you, I know nothing about nothing except what I like to hear and what sounds good to my own ears), is incredible on those first two songs.
(That's all I'm up to so far;-)

I do love these first few times you listen to an album.
It's so exciting.

New Stuff! (From LINDSEY! Man, I was on the Ledge a decade ago and waiting for GoS seemed like waiting for Godot). He finally came through, and in such a big way. I'm very proud of the guy.

awww. it is exciting. i'm proud of him too!

vivfox 09-15-2008 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 773500)
You said something stupid. That's something else.

I know I stand in line before you think you'll have the time to spend an evening with me. And if we go some place to dance I know that there's the chance, you won't be leaving with me. And afterwards we'll find ourselves a quiet little place and have a drink or two. And then I'll go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like I love you.

Please be nice to ajmccarrell. He has the right to have an opinion without being called stupid.

Regina 09-15-2008 09:30 PM

OK-the only one I'm not feeling now is Bel Air Rain. Love Runs Deeper is sort of growing on me.

I think the cd is great. It's not as cohesive, perhaps, as OOTC or UTS (in my mind) but I still like it a lot. And (also slightly on the negative side, but not really) I think I don't identify with a lot of the lyrics, whereas with some of his other works, his lyrics have cut right to the heart (which he would probably find rather ironic).

But I still think there are lovely, brilliant things on this CD and I'm planning on having a blast at the concerts.

Just 3 1/2 weeks and counting...(or something like that).

michelej1 09-15-2008 09:38 PM

I am not going to like Time Precious Time no matter what, but it might help if he didn't start off with a falsetto that he can no longer handle.

Then, I can't exactly say he's singing with a melody, but whatever faint tune the sung part possesses, it has nothing in common with the guitar which is so overpowering and strummy that I think it's going to make me afraid of Mandarin-tinged music for the rest of my life.

To have this song second on the album is to risk some people not sticking around for the other 8 tracks, I fear. On the other hand, Great Day is such a stark contrast to it, that maybe they will journey on through the remainder hoping the rest will be different as well.

I guess TPT's better live than it is on the record. Still I'm rather scared that Lindsey will keep this song in the setlist for the rest of his life, because he seems to like it a great deal. I'm so afraid.

Other than that, I think the rest of the album is superb. I think I'd rank Treason as #9, but it's beautiful as a closer. The other 8 songs . . . I love them all. I don't even think I could put them in order of preference.

Michele

ajmccarrell 09-15-2008 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 773529)
I know I stand in line before you think you'll have the time to spend an evening with me. And if we go some place to dance I know that there's the chance, you won't be leaving with me. And afterwards we'll find ourselves a quiet little place and have a drink or two. And then I'll go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like I love you.

Please be nice to ajmccarrell. He has the right to have an opinion without being called stupid.

Thank you very much, I really needed that! (blow kiss) :xoxo:

Nico 09-15-2008 09:52 PM

Although it isn't a new song, and most of us have heard it too much and played it out at this point, I really truly feel that Right Place to Fade (or Twist of Fate) has got to be one of the best songs Lindsey has ever written. And I think the lyrics are incredible. I have to go back to it because it sounds so much better to me when it's so clear and his vocals are out in the front like that. I'm a little sad that he hasn't put it in his set list so far, but I have hope.

michelej1 09-15-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nico (Post 773555)
Although it isn't a new song, and most of us have heard it too much and played it out at this point, I really truly feel that Right Place to Fade (or Twist of Fate) has got to be one of the best songs Lindsey has ever written.

Although I was tired of BTLH and SYHA by the time they appeared on Say You Will, I'm not burned out on any of the Gift of Screws songs, even if we've had them for years now. The ones on this album don't happen to be the ones that I listened to repeatedly, so they are all taking on a new life for me now. Michele

BombaySapphire3 09-15-2008 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 773529)

Please be nice to ajmccarrell. He has the right to have an opinion without being called stupid.

really .AJM and I have our differences no doubt but even I never went there..I don't think he is stupid at all either..just needs to get a little more life in under his belt maybe?:shrug:

ajmccarrell 09-15-2008 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 773568)
really .AJM and I have our differences no doubt but even I never went there..I don't think he is stupid at all either..just needs to get a little more life in under his belt maybe?:shrug:


Thanks Bombay! It's nice to know even my sometimes enemies think I might actually be a decent guy at heart. I was feeling pretty low after that pummeling I took, but you've perked my day up. :) I'm feeling much better now.

My wife and I are having a GOS party when it drops at midnight. Usually she doesn't like LB, but she's making an exception.

AliceLover 09-15-2008 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nico (Post 773555)
Although it isn't a new song, and most of us have heard it too much and played it out at this point, I really truly feel that Right Place to Fade (or Twist of Fate) has got to be one of the best songs Lindsey has ever written. And I think the lyrics are incredible. I have to go back to it because it sounds so much better to me when it's so clear and his vocals are out in the front like that. I'm a little sad that he hasn't put it in his set list so far, but I have hope.

I agree Nico. Everyone sort of seems to put TRPTF in the same category in likeness with Wanna Wait for You and Love Runs Deeper, but I think TRPTF stands out so much more. Its a catchy song and there are so many layers to it. I downloaded Twist of Fate in October of 07 and as of now it has 600 plays on my Ipod. Its just an incredible song. I think there should be another thread dedicated to it.

BTFLCHLD 09-16-2008 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 773548)
I am not going to like Time Precious Time no matter what

oh i love it so :]

Regina 09-16-2008 07:28 AM

Ah, Michele. You made me laugh before I've even finished my second cup of coffee.

It's a REALLY weird song, but I like weird, sometimes. I'm not a fan of early-Lindsey-solo-weirdness at all.

Guess what? There was a commercial for the CD this very morning on one of the morning shows (my mother was watching so I don't know which one it was). I was in the other room and heard Lindsey's voice, and ran in just as they said "Available now." And mom informed me that I was not hallucinating (in an auditory way) at 7:20 AM.

Always good to know.

But, I was very pleased that they at least threw one commercial his way.

fleetwoodguy79 09-16-2008 08:48 AM

Ok I was just able to get a good couple of listens.

My Gut Reaction: Lindsey's best solo work yet. Unfortunately though, it's not a perfect album for me. "Time Precious Time" is a terrible fit at track 2, completely takes away from the pace that Great Day set as an opener. Highlights for me are "Love Runs Deeper" (new favorite Lindsey song!), "Underground', and "Great Day". I think I've heard GOS and Right Place to Fade (Twist of fate :D ) too many times over the last few years to have a new perspective, but to me they sound cheesy at times.

And under 40 minutes is NOT enough Lindsey for me! :) I really hope he continues to write and puts out more albums like this, big :thumbsup: for me!!

"To the left, to the right, up and down, in and out, and around, that's right baby! THAT'S RIGHT BABY! Uh huh uh huh uh huh" - LOL!!!

TrueFaith77 09-16-2008 09:57 AM

I also posted a poll up on my blog, with star-ratings:

http://heroesarehardtofind.blogspot.com/

shackin'up 09-16-2008 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 773529)

Please be nice to ajmccarrell. He has the right to have an opinion without being called stupid.

Who's calling him stupid. I just said his remarks were respectless, arrogant and stupid. Maybe he's a nice guy. Who knows. What I DO know is that he gave us the B/N live-recordings. I'll be thankful for that untill I draw my terminal breath.

Richard B 09-16-2008 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliceLover (Post 773580)
I agree Nico. Everyone sort of seems to put TRPTF in the same category in likeness with Wanna Wait for You and Love Runs Deeper, but I think TRPTF stands out so much more. Its a catchy song and there are so many layers to it. I downloaded Twist of Fate in October of 07 and as of now it has 600 plays on my Ipod. Its just an incredible song. I think there should be another thread dedicated to it.

It is an incredible song.
It worked so well on Adventures in Wild California while those skysurfers were doing their thing.

ajmccarrell 09-16-2008 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 773643)
Who's calling him stupid. I just said his remarks were respectless, arrogant and stupid. Maybe he's a nice guy. Who knows. What I DO know is that he gave us the B/N live-recordings. I'll be thankful for that untill I draw my terminal breath.

Well, then it'd be nice if you showed a little respect. You've been an ass since yesterday. If I ever get anything like the BN live recordings again, I'll certainly hesitate before I share it again. I am actually a very nice guy, but you've been pissing me off to no end and have been misrepresenting what I said, as well as assigning motives that don't exist simply because I have disagreed with you on GOS. I even overall really like the album. I just think OOTC was his best. :distress:

Farrah 09-16-2008 05:36 PM

OK, here we go:

- Wait for You and Love Runs Deeper are (forgive my lack of musical vocabulary here) positively freakin' joyous. They're joyous songs with (relatively) dark lyrics that don't contradict the sound, and I love that Lindsey can do that.

- Overall, I don't like it as much as Under the Skin and Out of the Cradle. It doesn't have the same kind of Lindseyesque "unity" we'd expect.

- Time Precious Time is growing on me more and more, and I really want to like it because I love "Happy ... half-empty ... this must be home."

- Great Day's kind of sexy. I dunno. (No one will agree. I accept this fact. ;))

- Right Place to Fade IS Twist of Fate!!! And it still sounds like he's singing Twist of Fate ...

- I expected this album to have more of an OOTC sound than a UTS-like sound, but I'm nevertheless enjoying dancing to Lindsey. And I'm looking forward to dancing at the concerts next month.

Maccafan5000 09-16-2008 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farrah (Post 773841)

- Great Day's kind of sexy. I dunno. (No one will agree. I accept this fact. ;))

You are DEFINITELY not alone!!! I thought the very same thing, especially after hearing the audience recordings from UCLA and Seattle. I think it's the way he growls out the verses and in the live rendition throws in the little yelp afterwards, "Ow!"

And then there are the lyrics.... it might just be my dirty mind but they are SMOKIN. "A star crossed lover, Getting hotter and hotter, I didn’t mean to hover, I just hate to love her" and "The currents they caught her, Hiding in my room, Mirrors in her eyes, She was wet, she was soaking" :lol:

Livia 09-16-2008 06:01 PM

People are gonna wonder which lines Will wrote. :laugh:

Farrah 09-16-2008 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maccafan5000 (Post 773854)
And then there are the lyrics.... it might just be my dirty mind but they are SMOKIN. "A star crossed lover, Getting hotter and hotter, I didn’t mean to hover, I just hate to love her" and "The currents they caught her, Hiding in my room, Mirrors in her eyes, She was wet, she was soaking" :lol:

Yes, and the way he sings "love her," rhyming it with "hover." I guess I've just never heard him "work" the lyrics that way.

I'm glad I'm not alone in this. :wavey:

mylittledemon 09-16-2008 06:18 PM

my gut...
 
Great Day--i like the guitar solo. Nothing else about it.
Time Precious Time--I think he wore that rolling pattern thing out a bit on the UTS album.
Did You Miss Me--probably the strongest song on the album.
Wait For You--not too shabby. The repeating intro guitar riff kinda gets grating after awhile.
Love Runs Deeper--i only like the last 60 seconds
Bel Air Rain---very pretty guitar parts and I like his vocal.
The Right Place to Fade--It's just...too noisy. Too busy. Not a solid track.
Gift of Screws--I just don't like this one at all.
Underground--This one fits in with the UTS album quite well. I dig it.
Treason--Great lyrics. Great mix. Sounds good.

Overall, I don't think the album is great. I don't think it's horrible either though.

MacMan 09-16-2008 07:03 PM

I think it's a pretty solid album - but one that's way to short for my liking.... It needs one maybe two more tracks to it... It's over too soon leaving me wanting more! I suppose that's a good thing. I was hoping for an itunes bonus, but nope!

The only two songs I'm not 100% sold on YET are Time Precious Time and Treason. TPT I think his guitar playing is absolutely brilliant on it and I could just listen to that! I just can't mesh his playing with the vocals... I'm sure it will grow on me with repeated listens...

Treason - to me sounds a bit draggy, needs the pace picked up abit... Nothing wrong with the music, his playing or the lyrics, just the overall pace of it is abit slow for my taste, but I'll find something in it to like, I usually do if something doesn't grab me at first.

The rest...

Great Day - I think its a neat song - it's groovy in a subtle way with his rapid tapping...

Did You Miss Me - I've loved this song since I first heard it... Probably the most universally accessible song on the disc, I can see why they stuck this one out there to radio. Could end up a classic like Trouble.

Wait For You - Can't complain about this at all.... Great full sound & backed up by Mick and John - what more could you ask for.. This would sound great live.

Love Runs Deeper - I love that army of guitars sound that comes at you in the chorus....

Bel Air Rain - Perfect! This one needs to be played really really loud! There's no beat in the song except for the clicking sound, but man is this one HOT! And the ending is beyond.

The Right Place To Fade - I've always liked it, but it's hard to listen to it with new ears since i've heard it so much. Same with Gift of Screws... I love it with all the weird sounds he makes with his screaming & yelping and I'm happy to finally know what the hell he's saying!

Underground - Probably my favorite on the cd - just a lovely song.

Overall, a nice mix of songs with some similar to UTS and others more upbeat rock songs... I like it!

SandyMac 09-16-2008 09:16 PM

My gut reaction is "My God, Lindsey is on FIRE", He can make his guitar sing.
My favorites so far for the first listen are Great Day, Did you Miss Me, Wait for You, and Bel Air Rain.
Edit: I am so loving "Underground"
The only song I really didn't care for was Time Precious Time, but overall I am so EXCITED about this new CD.
Rock On Lindsey !!!! (I so wish he was coming closer to Washington DC)

Nico 09-16-2008 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farrah (Post 773841)
- Great Day's kind of sexy. I dunno. (No one will agree. I accept this fact. ;))

Wait a minute, I said the SAME thing when I read those lyrics. And it is a sexy song! I'm uneasy about that since it is co-written with a 10 year-old, even if it was just the chorus, his name is on it.

michelej1 09-16-2008 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maccafan5000 (Post 773854)
She was wet, she was soaking" :lol:

Ah yeah it's sexy and I ride the double entendre for all it's worth.

Michele

tdfwiner 09-16-2008 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyMac (Post 773934)
My gut reaction is "My God, Lindsey is on FIRE", He can make his guitar sing.
My favorites so far for the first listen are Great Day, Did you Miss Me, Wait for You, and Bel Air Rain.
Edit: I am so loving "Underground"
The only song I really didn't care for was Time Precious Time, but overall I am so EXCITED about this new CD.
Rock On Lindsey !!!! (I so wish he was coming closer to Washington DC)

The State Theatre show in Falls Church two years ago was amazing and it was the closest he's actually come to DC since OOTC and I really hope he plays there again. As a matter of fact, in relation to the other thread I started, it'd be the perfect venue to film a show. All standing room up front so you can really see the audience moving to the music and their reactions, unlike the deadpan audience in Soundstage and the tame, seated one in Bass Hall.

The album is absolutely mind blowing if you play it on a good pair of speakers with the lights off and the volume up. You don't really get it as much with earphones, but on speakers the stereo mix does almost sound three-dimensional.

Bel Air Rain is the song of the moment for me. When that guitar kicks in and Lindsey's vocals on the chorus are soooo powerful :thumbsup:

chriskisn 09-16-2008 11:17 PM

Hmm...listened to GoS for the first time last night. Didn't like it. Listened again a bit today, still didn't like it. Then again, I'm not a big Lindsey fan. However, I have to say that I REALLY didn't like Under the Skin, so its an improvement on that.

SandyMac 09-16-2008 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdfwiner (Post 773977)
The State Theatre show in Falls Church two years ago was amazing and it was the closest he's actually come to DC since OOTC and I really hope he plays there again. As a matter of fact, in relation to the other thread I started, it'd be the perfect venue to film a show. All standing room up front so you can really see the audience moving to the music and their reactions, unlike the deadpan audience in Soundstage and the tame, seated one in Bass Hall.

The album is absolutely mind blowing if you play it on a good pair of speakers with the lights off and the volume up. You don't really get it as much with earphones, but on speakers the stereo mix does almost sound three-dimensional.

Bel Air Rain is the song of the moment for me. When that guitar kicks in and Lindsey's vocals on the chorus are soooo powerful :thumbsup:

I was there at the State Theater. Great show, so yes, I agree, that venue would be awesome for a recording. :thumbsup:

Gazza 09-17-2008 09:17 AM

From Wait For You to Gift Of The Screws the album f'n rocks. I quite like Great Day as well.

Time Precious Time, Underground and Treason all sound like they should be on Under The Skin.

GoS 09-17-2008 10:22 AM

Pre-listening-
I was a little bit skeptical about Bel Air Rain, Underground and Great Day just by the names.

First Listening-
All of my questions about those three were answered. I was reminded of why I love his music and especially the GoS Demos. Not crazy about TPT but like it.

Second Listening-
Couldn't put it down. I love the lyrics.

tdfwiner 09-17-2008 07:00 PM

I've listened to the whole album thru twice and individual songs a lot and I don't think the last two songs, Underground and Treason, really fit the album. They aren't bad songs but they're both kinda diet-Lindsey and lack the edge that the rest of the songs have...a little too adult contemporary or something I guess.

Some might argue that Time Precious Time fits this category as well, but that particular song I think does does fit GOS well. TPT is a little darker and more urgent than anything on UTS and the chorus has that edge that I think helps it mesh well with most of the rest of GOS.

Hawkeye 09-17-2008 07:39 PM

To quote Lindsey but subbing out the word "Cycles" for "Lindsey"

This album reinforces my faith in Lindsey!!!

I freaking love this album. Under the Skin I was Eh at first, then it grew on me, then it grew off me :laugh: Now other then Castaway Dreams and Down on Rodeo the rest of the album could just be thrown put for me. But I just got GOS a couple hours and have listened to it three times, individual songs more.

- Great Day is MY new favorite Lindsey song. Love Runs Deeper may be the overwhelming majority favorite and it has its own special thread along with Bel Air Rain, Great Day is whats the **** for me. Will Buckingham needs to do more writing for his dad, so we get more Great Day's and less Flying Down Junipers, treason and time precious times :laugh:

- Despite what I just said right above I don't think Time Precious Time is horrible, in fact as far as his sped up guitar songs go, I prefer it to Not Too Late. Just not a highlight of this album

- I don't get what you all see in Did You Miss Me. It's my second least favorite song next to Treason. I just think its very blah and generic. Better then half of UTS but still blah.

- Wait For You is one of the few of the original GOS songs I just never downloaded, so its a brand new song for me, and WOW.

- Love Runs Deeper is not as good as Great Day but is great. The guitar work is so classic Lindsey. It reminds me of the guitar solo fromk Turn It On without his annoying Turn it On vocals.

- Lindsey has been messing with that danmed sped up guitar thing since Red Rover on SYW, and he finally perfects it here. this is By Far his best of those kinds of songs (Red Rover, Say goodbye, Try For the Sun, Not Too Late, Time Precious Time, probably others im forgetting) it's no contest. Everything about Bel Air Rain is perfection and yes it deserves that thread of its own, it's my 2nd favorite new song.

- Lindsey needs to be confronted on this Right Place to Fade bull****. Im never gonna get used to it. Ive known this one forever but its still in the upper half of the album.

- The title song is quite possibly tied with great day for best song, its just ive known GOS is great for 5 years, and only today have I been hit the greatness and freshness of Great Day so that puts it ahead.

- Underground is an OK song until the 2nd half of it and it becomes a really good song.

- Treason is the albums weak link but is better then Flying Down Juniper

My only big complaint is if you review my review he's playing all my least favorites in concert (Treason, Did You Miss Me and Time Precious Time) and omitting the 3 I freaking love (Wait For You, Bel Air Rain and Right Place to Fade) I am at least pumped that the opening song is Great day :blueblob: And I think I made the right choice not to go to any UTS shows and to go to a GOS show, since they're basically the same shows with GOS songs instead of UTS songs.

CarterNix 09-18-2008 03:37 AM

I've listened to the album through probably around about five times now, and I love it the more I listen to it.

After being a bit disappointed with a number of the songs on UTS, I was worried the new songs on this album might not stand up compared to the older songs that have been circulating the internet for years - my fears were completely dispelled when I heard the opening track.

In my haze of admiration and enjoyment of this album, I'm tempted to say that this is my favourite work of his, with or without Fleetwood Mac. The only track I don't enjoy is 'Time Precious Time' - I skip it every time now.

This is an excellent album, which in my view fully affirms that Lindsey is indeed a genius, or a 'visionary' as he would put it.

And if Lindsey's people look at this forum.... please, please bring the tour to the UK. We would love it!


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