nicks against lindsey producing new album?
 

I read an article that stated nicks agreed to do a new mac album as long as lindsey didnt produce the album.Anyone read this article?

i see this article was posted on rumors board (which I normally dont read)but this still strikes me as odd.

I don't know. I'm a new kid on the block.

My impression is :

They (La Nicks & Mr. B) don't seem to talk to one another. Instead they talk to the press about one another.

We eavesdrop through the press.

The "agreement" was that Stevie would record with FM as long as Lindsey is not the primary producer.

Didnt read the "article" but I like the idea of another producer. I think it will lead to a more collaborative effort from the band.

It wasn't an article - it was a blog. Nothing is confirmed.

I reckon it's just cause Stevie doesn't want Lindsey stealing her thunder, however, come the 2009 tour, she'll have nowhere to hide:thumbsup:

I think she should haul out in a red cape during the solo in, say, GYOW and dance her ass off, twirling from one end of the stage to the other.

Let's see whose thunder is stolen then :wavey:

What she does instead is leave the stage and let him have his moments, which he deserves.

As for LB producing her, I think he, though brilliant in other ways, mostly has lost the touch. I did not like what he did for her on SYW for the most part, save, perhaps, for GB. She, on the other hand greatly enhanced his songs, like the vocal in Miranda, which is just way cool. Many say she ruined Peacekeeper. I agree the solo version is 10 times better than the SYW one, but I cannot say for sure La Nicks is the one who changed the key, etc. But, if that is so, then, yes, she ruined it.

Yeah ... Miss Undulator.

It's so gracious of her to "let him have his moments"!

You're just repeating my views from a long time ago. I said he lost his ear a long time ago.

That was bad. Even the mixing on her voice was bad -- it was careless. The gain went up & down, & there was a strange electronic hiss all the way through it. Just awful. The engineering was as botched on that as it was on "Doing the Best I Can."

You must be kidding, but I know deep down you aren't. Stevie's vocals on all those older tracks were both completely unnecessary & irritating.

They all ruined "Peacekeeper," especially when they played it live.

Ok, I respect that you may not care for Lindsey's production skills lately. I can see your point with that. Not your thing, totally understand. However, I have to strongly disagree about this "greatly enhanced" part. I have played that album (or parts of it) to gawdknowshowmany of my friends, and each time I play it they make sure and tell me how much they HATE, HATE, HATE the woman singing with LB on his songs and why didn't he just leave her off.

I personally like her there, but then I loved the way those LB songs sounded without Stevie on them. So as far as "greatly enhanced" I can't really see your point...his songs sound great with or without her.:shrug:

I think her vocal on Miranda completely changes that song for the better. It gives it a more complex vocal dynamic. Also, on Say Goodbye, she is almost "love gone bad but I want the love back" on a stick. I also think she added on Red Rover, though LB apparently manipulated his voice so he sounds like her at points. I also LOVED this song live.

Peacekeeper is the only song I think she sounds deadful on. The solo version is much better.

In the end, I think they work better live these days. But, who knows -- they certainly have surprised many before.

It was horrifying live. He cared little for his pitch and she looked like she wanted to watch her socks dry instead :nod:

I did, however, love her vocals on Miranda and Red Rover. I thought they made his already good songs more complex.

But, to each their own.

Also, are you calling La Nicks a wiggler :laugh:

That production aspect aside, I thought he broke down the basic structure of two chord demo and produced a very whistful sound. And, he realized her voice could not reach the value of the one in the demo so he made it like a lullaby. I am sure she had huge imput as well in that though.

I think it is. I think you think that is snotty of her. I think she learned a long time ago that she could steal focus without even really trying and it pissed off the other members. So, I think she learned that was not a nice thing to do and adjusted her antics accordingly. Anyone in a band knows everyone has to kind of do that to a degree and the one who stands out the most must make a conscious effort to tone it down at an inappropriate part. How can that be a bad thing?

Below is the text from a post of mine from a month or so ago.

Lindsey to me has always been a master craftsman of songs. In his recent work I personally hear a loss of that wonderful songcraft he has such a gift for. To me it is a combination of things. Guitar playing that was too out front compared to what the song called for. (Songs on Say You Will) A degradation of his vocals that have left some songs whispered instead of sung. (Much of UTS) Use of dated vocal processing effects particulary in the choruses of songs. Engineering choices that leave songs feeling sterile and muted. Finally the songs themselves. While no doubt Lindsey has improved as a lyricist, I hear a lack of melody and a definite lack of hooks more often than not in his more recent song output.

I am not convinced Lindsey has lost this gift and I think an outside co-producer to work with Lindsey and the band may be able to harness and redirect some of Lindsey's creative ideas.

Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:cool:

It was a three-chord demo, & it's still a three-chord track on the album. But chord complexity never had anything to do with fleetwood mac, anyway. They've always been essentially a I-IV-V band, even back in the blues days. Most pop & rock bands are. (Incidentally, "Goodbye Baby" is a I-IV-V.)

Then I misspoke. But, the sound of the final product is wildly different and IMO better than the staccato (staccati ? ) demo.

I wasn't talking about her, actually. I was talking about you -- about the way you phrased that comment. Your view seemed to be that Gracious Stevie kindly steps aside so that Unloved Lindsey can experience -- briefly -- what it's like to catch stray Stevie moonbeams.

You're off & running, strand. I can see only the dirt your neurons have kicked up, like the Road Runner.

Meep-meep.

You should see my beak :wavey:

It's pretty, yes.

You speak in hyperbole: "wildly different," "divine," "exquisite," "genius," "sublime," etc. Even after all these years, I'm still adjusting to it. But you haven't used your favorite word ("lambent") in about six months. (insert smiley)

She's on Red Rover? I'd never noticed. I thought that the SYW version was exactly the same as the GOS version except that it had been mastered.

Or do you mean the live versions?

You'd rather meiosis?

I'm a lawyer, I can't help it :cool:

Oh please. Stevie would never "dance her ass off, twirling from one end of the stage to the other." That would require her to actually move, something she hasn't done much of in years. Anyway, if she tried she'd probably trip over her damn orthopedic shoes and fall on her ass. At which point I'd laugh off mine.

If the story is true, then to me it smacks of Stevie trying to wield power in the band, something she probably feels she lacks when Lindsey is in charge of production. It's like a child saying "We play the way I want to play or I'm taking my toys and going home." Grow up, Stevie.

She doesn't leave the stage during GYOW. On the songs where she does leave the stage, like ISA, I'm sure it's less so Lindsey can have the spotlight than so she can get a rest. She does lower her profile during GYOW, just like he deliberately lowers his during Rhiannnon and Stand Back, so that she can have her spotlight. He even lost his guitar riff on Rhiannon, so as to intrude on her song even less.

Furthermore, I believe they were especially deferential to each other during Rhiannon and GYOW this last tour because of the many years they spent upstaging each other during the respective signature songs.

Michele

Yawn :rolleyes:

I think they are very respectful of each other, which is a good thing.

That, of course, translates to some into La Nicks being a power hungry, fake, manipulative, tired, old cu*t and LB being a saint :rolleyes:

Why do y'all perpetuate the BS? Nevermind, it's what they want anyway...

Ha...I don't think Lindsey and La Nicks are sitting in a boardroom somewhere staring at a huge computer screen laughing at us for perpetuating these kinds of things :laugh:

Okay, you can keep yourself in the delusion that Stevie's still as "enchanting" on stage as she once was and not the lethargic, ho-hum performer she has truly become.

I guess we have an agreement.

:wavey:

She's definately not what she used to be on stage, but Stevie is definately still enchanting. She may have slowed down a bit, but she's definately not lethargic.

Slowed down a bit? When I saw Fleetwood Mac in concert 5 years ago, the most movement she gave was to turn her back to the audience. I've watched clips of more recent performances and in those she was even less active than what I saw in person. I think it's a gross understatement to say that she's only slowed down a bit.

Well, maybe for the shows you attended, but as for the shows i saw on her CV tour in 2007, i thought she was very active and revitalized on stage.

I do have to agree with you though about her performances on the SYW tour...she was very blah and stagnant, but i think that was because she was unhappy with that tour and album altogether. As i stated above, on her CV tour she was revitalized and enchanting on stage.

Well I'm happy for you that you saw that side of her, but in clips like her very recent performance of Bob Seger's "Face the Promise," all she appears to do is stand still at the microphone. I doubt very much that on the upcoming tour we'll see her twirling across the stage as in Strand's little fantasy.

She sure look lethargic here :rolleyes:

I still miss that cool foxy look Stevie had when she was 31. :(
Time to move on ...

You're using clips of her doing a guest appearance at a Tom Petty show as proof that she's still an energetic performer? Seriously? She sang on maybe a handful of songs, mostly doing backing vocals.

:confused:

Yea - me too. I loved the dramatic outfits (I believe you correctly labeled the Wild Heart ones like Turandot (speaking of hyperbole :wavey: )) -- but, I still like her shows. I wish she'd sing her won obscure stuff instead of these covers, but I realized long ago that the world just won't work the way I want it to :mad: So, I am still into her for the most part. That, though is fading without new stuff. I mean I have been a fan since 1975ish :shrug:

In a way and I know this is going to draw the ire of the femi-nazi's -- La Nicks at 60+ cannot ever be that lithe young hottie from 1973 - 83. Such is Life I guess.

It makes me a little sad that many of these Lindsey threads inevitably become "Stevie Nicks discussions." I like Stevie enough...well, actually, to be honest I liked her a little more at one point but the more I read about her attitude and interview comments the less I respect her. It's not that I want her to grovel on the floor before Lindsey. She doesn't even have to like him. But it would be nice if she would stop dragging his name through the dirt and bringing up all kinds of mean and horrible things he did to her, like, 30 years ago. It's sort of annoying. Not that he's an angel, but he's kept his mouth shut so far.