Honestly, now that Obama is the nominee........
 

Honestly, now that Obama is the nominee , and this is for Hillary supporters, will you vote Democratic or Republican ?



Personally, I'll vote Republican if she isnt on the ticket. I can't stand Obama and his supporters. For some reason his slogans drive me crazy: "Yes we can" , "Change we can belive in". What a joke.

This video explains it quite well

The Clintonian era of the Democratic party is over .I don't think he will choose her as V.P. and if some of her supporters vote Republican then they really are not Democrats anyway .

In your humble opinion.:o:rolleyes:

I don't know now honestly. He really seems like a "sheep in wolves clothing" to me, and thats scary. But i will not be voting for osama obama (as i have heard him called):laugh: but then again, i dont know if our country can survive annother term of a republican president. Oh good lord, if only oprah had indorsed Hillary.


here, ill save you the trouble,blah, blah, your statements are so ignorant blah blah, obama rules, blah blah, grandpa mccain is a war vet.
-just save it.

I talked to a friend of mine that is a Libertarian, but a thoughtful political thinker. He thinks The Obama/McCain vote will be much closer than alot of people think. The reason: because Obama is African-AMerican, and my friend told me whether or not SOME people will admit it, they will not vote for him for that one simple reason. So let me ask the question that needs to be asked, whether we all like it or not. Do you agree with my friend and why,or do you not agree and why?

you said it!:wavey:

There sadly may be some truth to that ..When I was 20 years old in 1982 I voted for a black man as the Governer of California ,Tom Bradley the then mayor of Los Angeles who was ahead in all the polls but somehow lost to some awful Reagan wannabe Duekmajin (not sure if that is the correct spelling)It is thought to this day that people actually told the pollsters they would vote for Bradley and when they got in the booth did not because of his race..I was very disappointed then .I hope the country has moved past that kind of ignorance.

You're too smart to be parroting Limbaugh.

If you're voting largely based on slogans, you're just as moronic as the idiots who voted for Bush because they'd rather have a beer with him than Gore/Kerry.

Oh, and if you consider yourself a Democrat, yet would rather vote for McCain, than Obama- guess what. You're not a real Democrat, and you'd rather stomp your feet and exhibit your sour grapes rather than vote/work to help advance this country for the better of the common (Democratic belief) good.

Oh, you also have other issues to work out, t0o (DavidMN broached one prominent one that sadly impacts many people's choices)

well, maybe im just not talking to the same people that you are , but on the other side of the coin you presented, i tend to know alot of people who want to vote for him just BECAUSE he is africanamerican. Thats how they are interpreting "vote for change" i think it is terrible to not vote for someone based on race (or gender, sexual orientation, or religeous affiliations) but i also hate if that IS the reason why someone gets the vote also.

Thats not where i heard that, but eww, I hate Limbaugh.:shocked:

Your point being?

An exceedingly large number of women who voted for Hillary did so primarily because she's a woman. Exit polls have proven that predilection (and that's just those who were willing to admit it)

:lol::rolleyes: Honestly, someday, you and I are goning to agree on SOMETHING:wavey: but untill then, hey, if 4years go by, and GOD KNOWS WHAT doesnt go horribly wrong and he doesnt screw up the country. I'll totally owe u a Coke.:D

EXACALLY. And how much does it bother you that that is what happened. That IS my point. People voting for him JUST because he is african american bothers me JUST AS MUCH as people voting for HILLARY JUST BECAUSE she's a woman.
ThatISmypoint.

EXACALLY. And how much does it bother you that that was the case. That IS my point. People voting for him JUST because he is african american bothers me JUST AS MUCH as people voting for HILLARY JUST BECAUSE she's a woman.
ThatISmypoint.

Careful there - if you say blacks voted for Obama because he is black and/or if you are white and espouse any guff on Obama, you likely will brand you a racist these days :nod: And, the reverse is not true., which, in my book, is racism as well.

As for Obama - I voted for him in the GA primary because his platform most clearly tracks what I believe. As we have discussed to death in the Hillary thread, the facts clearly indicate Obama is a comparative political neophyte who the press has given a free pass. While I think Hillary was the more electable choice, I will vote for Obama, even though I think he mostly is full of shiitte when he talks about change (again, which politician doesn't talk about change :rolleyes: )

In the end, I hope I am wrong.

Do you have a grip on political reality? Obama isn't any more a "democrat" than McCain is. Listen to what he says and what he stands for.

McCain is no bird's nest on the ground, to wit:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_McCain.htm

At least Obama has a better voting civil rights record, to wit:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

For that reason alone, I am voting for Obama, despite his glaring flaws, which are many, and that fact that my BS detector vibrates so wildly when he speaks that I am considering marrying it.

Here's hoping! Someone who is admirable an advocate for human rights negotiates peace instead of dominating the world into hatred of America, and someone who at the most basic level recognises that there's a whole world out there and the rest of us can have as much impact upon america as americans can themselves. All that bull**** talk about national security....put someone in charge who is willing to talk with Iran and that's a small step but it would go so much further to national security than anything in recent years. America is as unsafe as it has ever been and i think obama is the first step in any hope of reversing that.

Actually, there were others, like when he did not repeal Clinton's Executive Order prohibiting discrimination against gays in the Fed. workplace, despite what I am sure was wildly heated pressure to do so.

Here are some others that are mostly correct:

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/pro...Done-Right.htm

I do not like the guy, but facts are facts.

fAnyone who is remotely moderate should really wait to see who McCain picks as a running mate before they consider voting for him ...imagine if he picks a wingnut like Huckabee ..a fanatic in sheep's clothing or even Romney ..they would be one 70 something man's heartbeat away from the Presidency.

I think his point was that Carter was, by pretty much all acoounts, completely ineffective as a President, despite his altruistic goals and his effectiveness since.

As for the rest of the world hating America - I have been abroad pretty much every year since 9/11 and very few that I spoke to hated America. Many hated Bush though. I also think it is interesting that people say they hate America, but then bitch and complain when America does not provide them with relief from natural disasters and the like; America almost always leads the way in these situations.

Also, I think invading Afganistan and capturing and/or killing many terroroists went miles further than talking to Iran in some benign way, esp. when Iran's leader is a known liar :shrug: and despite W's failure to reach any conclusion in Afganistan - this is the underlying flaw of W's administration. There is a valient initial effort with no coherent or well planned follow up. Again, if America and ousted SH with an all out invasion and then got Iraq up and running in a year (which was possible), would 95% of those currently complaining still be complaining - I say no.

In the end, America is flawed and has done some bad things, but it is still the undisputed leader of the free world, the world turns to it for money and guidance, and it provides relief for many nations. I think that pisses people off.

I agree. The sad thing is that I think McCain is a decent man who is not a liar. I cannot vote for him though and, instead, will vote for Obama, who I think is a liar. Oh politics!

I've lived in countries that aren't the US every year since I was born and most don't hate Americans, I'm very friendly with a few myself but whenever people ask them where they're from they have their standard joke response "I'm American, but nobody's perfect". If you think much of the world does not hate America then you must have forgotten about sept 11 already and thats just one giant example instead of pointing out the continued hatred that does not make the news daily. I think people have a right to complain if america does not provide relief. Like I'd be making a stand if the countries I'm from didn't contribute. Maybe that's why they might hate america, if there ignored by them and don't receive relief. Anyway I don't think they lead the world. America is last or near last on the list of western countries foreign aid. They give a lot but you can't expect a country of 6 million to match the contribution of America. If you look at the statistics america is far below the world leaders, I think last.

:lol::confused: yeah sure that's what pisses people off. that is such a naive view of the world. I think there's a little more too it than that. It's like saying the arab nations of the mimddle east are just jealous cause israel has more friends....and a better night club scene. jeez. believe what you want its not even an opinion its a fact that that is not why a lot of world hates america.

Well, as someone who had to endure the Carter years, please take him off our hands! How would you have felt to be one of those hostages held in Iran for... hundreds of days? If you think the U.S. dollar is weak now, it was literally worth less than toilet paper back then ($900 per oz. of gold in 1979 dollars!), energy crises, 16% interest rates, etc. At best Carter brokered a tenuous peace between Israel and Egypt... but how can you praise that without realizing that he sent the U.S. into a tailspin financially? I don't think anyone could reasonably expect someone who has had zero international experience and zero military experience to be able to somehow ensure that we (and our allies) will be safer and more secure. I mean, I can go around saying that I hate war, I love to talk and hold hands, but does that mean I am somehow a master diplomat and commander in chief? The fact is, I have only 13 months less experience in the U.S. senate than Obama.

But you're American. I don't think you're going to get the same view as someone actually living in another country looking in. And to be fair Strand, a lot of that "America is the the undisputed leader of the world" arrogance is the exact reason why people hate the US.

Don't bet on it.

I know. She lost a good share of her audience when she endorsed him.

There is no doubt in my mind that people will vote both for and against Obama because he is African American.

Before I completely lost interest in his speech last night, I heard him espouse a few Reaganisms.

I agree. I think Huckabee seems like a nice guy, but he is from Planet Wack-a-doodle. To be honest, I don't know much about Romney beyond the fact that he was gov. of MA, was CEO of a corporation and he's a Mormon. But there's something oddly creepy about him... maybe it's that perma-tan and the movie-star hair. But who's even more creepy is that young governor of Louisiana, Bobby Gindal (sp??). His views are like Huckabee's, but coming from a young Indian American... it's just all kinds of wrong for me- he should be the face of the new "hipper" GOP, but his views come right out of the Bible. But hey, apparently he has a phenomenally high approval rating in Louisiana, so maybe there's something there that I am missing.

Well, I think all men of your ilk would think the same thing. :wavey:

I will take it a step further and posit that some people may be sick of the race baiting put out by Obama's campaign and supporters, i.e., you're a racist if you don't vote for Obama, and would vote accordingly in protest.

Couldn't agree more. Pelosi is a huge disappointment to me. I thought Dean might be good as head of the DNC. And yet he's managed to phuck that up just like the Iowa caucus against Kerry. As for Donna Brazile the "uncomitted super delegate" give me a break. I truly feel that the party has left me. I don't know who to vote for. :shrug: I never thought I would see the day when Democrats would turn on the only two term Dem president in 80 years. And that Vanity Fair article! Talk about a hit piece. I am disgusted that Graydon Carter allowed this to be printed. WTF is wrong with these people? It's like they've been brainwashed by some subliminal message in Obama's creepy campaign posters.

I have much repsect for President Carter. However interest rates hovered around the 21% mark and there was a shortage of gas during his presidency. It wasn't the greatest of times.

Well, like I said, McCain has established via his voting record that he does not follow his party all of the time, e.g., voting against drilling in ANWR. As for his record on civil rights, I think Obama and McCain have considerable common ground. But the fact remains that Obama simply does not have the voting record/experience to truly get a sense of where he stands on a lot of issues. And I am not saying that I disagree with much of what he is saying on social issues. It's just everything else, combined with his thin resume and absence of achievements/action that has me more than a little worried.

I'm convinced McCain will pick Romney, Jindal, or Lieberman.

I can't cast a vote in this poll. You ask "Will you vote Democratic?" but you don't provide an option for "No."

Aside from the distraction around the Hilary/Obama race, I would ask, has there ever been an election year with such unimpressive choices on all sides? At a time when the western world is in a bit of a mess, it is a touch disappointing that the election of the most important world leader has drawn such poor candidates from each party imo.