World tour 2009?
 

Hello everyone :wavey:
Do you think that F.M will do a world tour in 2009? Or only an U.S tour?
If they will make a new record they probably will do a world tour. At least, I hope so. 'Cause I live in Europe, in Sweden and I really want to see them, or just Stevie, live anytime...Does anyone know or guess if they will???
Hugs,
/Belladona93, 15 years old, in Sweden :)

I hope for a world tour and a new album, but the closer it gets to 2009 the more my gut feeling is that we will see nothing.
Fleetwood mac would need to be starting to think now about putting an album together for a release next year. We have heard absolutely nothing to suggest this has happened or is about to happen.

Lindsey is flying high on his solo work at the minute and he is hoping to release another album soon.

I dont see much big Mac stuff for 2009 but I hope next year someone turns up this post and makes me swallow my words

I really doubt it too. Stevie doesn't sound too enthusiastic about it and if Lindsey really does go ahead with the more rock follow-up to Under The Skin he'll be tied up for the rest of the year at least.
Even if the Mac do manage to sort everything out and go into the studio in early 2009 they're not exactly known for recording stuff quickly.
So, I can't envisage a new album any time soon but maybe they'll just continue down the nostaliga act route and tour with no record to promote. If they were going to do that though it would have been much nicer to do it last year for the 40th anniversary of the band, but I guess we'll see. The fact they are still talking about it at least is hopeful.

What's kind of funny is that several of them have, in recent years, been alluding to the fact of advancing age & the related need for prompt action. And yet there's been no actual improvement in that department!

I suspect that Lindsey's "rock" album is either going to morph into the next FM album or will be released after the next FM project. I think he probably realizes that he needs another FM project to boost his visibility before releasing another album. I mean, why release one flop album after another? :shrug:

I think they could pull this off. Stevie will probably go away to Mexico later this summer, write a few songs for the Rhiannon movie with her girls :rolleyes:, and then meet up with the band (with or without Sheryl, who will be finished promoting her album by then) in October. They'll jam around for a month and then start recording in earnest from November through April. The album comes out in September and the tour starts soon thereafter with a brief barnstorming U.S. arena leg, then a break, then off to Australia in the winter, then a break, then a trek through Europe in the spring, then a break, followed by another U.S. run of the sheds in the summer. I think this could happen. And because of the weak dollar and the U.S. recession, they may be hitting more international markets than ever before.

More arbitrary predictions: Buckingham Nicks becomes available for downloading from iTunes when the new FM album comes out; no CD version will ever be released. Lindsey's next album comes out in early 2011. The Rhiannon movie is permanently shelved and those songs are released in May/June 2011.

http://www.411mania.com/music/column...il-Edition.htm

Fleetwood Mac Reunion

Dan Yates: While nothing has been confirmed and nothing will come of it this year, a few outlets have reported on the possibility a Fleetwood Mac tour. It's not the kind news that will make waves in your world, but it's the kind of tour that'll rake in the kind of cash not seen since the last time the Eagles got together. Your parents are very excited. Who wants to bet they join U2, Madonna, and Jay-Z in helping concert promoter Live Nation take over the world?

ACK i hate this post so much!

Do you think they will get nostalgic and bust out Rattlesnake Shake, Hypnotized, Oh Well and a couple others from the Blues Era? I'd LOVE to hear WHY but without Christine, it wouldn't be the same. :(

I Love Fleetwood Mac
 

After all the "Sheryl Crow joining Fleetwood Mac" hype, Stevie-Nicks.info reported this article, titled "Fleetwood Mac Plots Return - with or without Crow":
http://www.stevie-nicks.info/index.p...484&Itemid=242

I really hope Fleetwood Mac reunites for a tour in 2009. I would love the chance to see them... they pretty much kicked ass on the Say You Will tour from what I have seen

:thumbsup:

Hey I'm in the same situation!

I live in Sweden and I'm a new Fleetwood Mac fan so I haven't had any
chances to see them live. I can only hope that I will get to see them at least once in my life, but you never know :shrug:

If they decides to tour again I really hope they realise how many fans they got around the world.

They should really do one last world tour and come to Sweden (Or Scandinavia).

Kul att se en ung svensk på detta forum, det finns hopp för framtiden :)
Where in Sweden do you live?

/Melack 22 years old, from Sweden :wavey:

because he couldn't care less: these remarks point out that some of you do not understand a thing about Lindsey solo. He even flew in a private jet to shows with an audience between 500 and 1250 people. He wants his music out for recognition, not for money. UTS wasn't a flop. It got loads of critical aclaim even internationally. He brought it out just for that. Not for sales. He said that himself a thousand times, but even FM-fans have dog**** in their ears.

Hmm I politely disagree :wavey: . Lindsey is hugely about recognition, has been since 1979. You also have to remember, recognition also comes through sales. In that measure, Lindey's solo career has been a massive disappointment. Have you even listened to the song "Not Too Late?" I don't think it's just about critical recognition, I think it's about him fantasizing about changing the music industry by having a hit and being critically acclaimed. He obviously accomplished the latter part, but missed the first by lightyears. For what it's work, I think HejiraNYC hit the nail on the head yet again. If y'all don't believe me, look back to the Destiny Rules doc. Yes he's saying the whole time that he doesn't care if the album only sells a certain amount of copies, but at the same time Mick and Ray point out that recognition comes in the form of sales to Lindsey too, that he'd be "crushed" if Say You Will only sold only 800,000 copies (which is exactly what it ended up selling). We've gotta keep in mind, Mick has know lindsey for almost 34 years now, and Ray for well over 20... they know him better than we do!

I agree with you on this one; I believe what Lindsey has said.

Um... as the old saying goes... if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it... :rolleyes: Face it: nobody heard it and nobody bought it, not even all the people who came out to see him in concert.

Also, I'd rather have dog**** in my ears than **** for brains. :wavey:

It's suffering for it's art.

Whatever his inner devastation may have been, Lindsey didn't seem outwardly crushed at all. He didn't publicly cry and complain about what SYW did (or didn't do) in sales. He didn't give up on the music business and decide there was no use releasing new material at all. Instead, he was the one pushing for more new stuff by FM and, when that didn't work, he released a solo album, which was destined not to sale. Whether he was secretly hoping for some surprise success like Santana (and I would have no problem with Lindsey collaborating with Rob Thomas) and Cher have enjoyed in their latter years, he couldn't have thought it was all that likely.

Obviously the guy cares about being popular -- otherwise I wouldn't still be listening to his Rumours songs at all live performances -- but I think more than anything he just wants to get his weird music out there. And it's not true that no one has heard the stuff. The critics listened to Under the Skin long enough to write a review and the overwhelming majority of those reviews were positive. That stroked his ego.

I'm sure he'd like to have record sales and good reviews, but I think the good reviews are fulfilling in their own right. He certainly considers Tusk a masterpiece and hasn't shut up about it almost 30 years later. That's not because Tusk sold mega millions. It sold a lot by today's standards, but -- considering FM's popularity and the record industry in the seventies -- was a disappointment then. That didn't quell his enthusiasm for and pride in the project.

He wants money, which is why I guess he'll do anything to get back with FM, but he couldn't have thought UTS was about money, not even in his dreams. Michele

Come on people, I was referring to lindsey's solorecords from 2006 and the upcoming one. Stop looking at today though the eyes of 25 years ago, stop putting up arguments from the FM-setting (a whole different game) and stop critisizing the man about his urge to put out art for the "right ears". You are definately not among them, btw. He is doing that now, and he shows what he wants to show.

HE DOESN'T BRING THE RECORDS OUT EXPECTING SALES & HE'S NOT TOURING SMALL CLUBS BECAUSE HE'S EXPECTING 8000 PEOPLE.

Are you all nuts deaf and dumb?

What Gerald says is true: why did Lindsey bring out an almost lo-fi, uncommerical, low-key record if he wanted big sales? Surely he would have gone with the big rock album. Lindsey may well have wanted a big solo career in the past (although his choice to release weird albums like Law & Order and Go Insane certainly doesn't support that) but it seems to me he wasn't expecting anything big this time round.
And recognition doesn't just come through sales, ask the Velvet Underground and The Stooges.

I tend to agree with Gerald on this... At this point in the game, I think Lindsey knows what he can accomplish sales wise from what he puts out. He knows he has a certain core that he appeals to - and I'm sure the critical recognition it received went along way with him, even though the sales weren't there in huge commercial numbers. In his mind, and many others, it was a success. It all depends on what he wanted out of it, and in the case of UTS, I think it was just to be able to stay true to himself, not be swayed by what the suits have to say, and to do what he wanted on the record and get it out there!

Aaahhh, good grief, I thought that it would never end.

I hope he's going to put out flop on flop on flop, just because he wants to.

Perhaps it is this attitude that helps to explain why he now finds himself without a solo record deal.

I'm not hating on Lindsey at all, and I do wish him all the best in his career. And if selling his CDs out of the back of his 1982 Subaru station wagon gives him satisfaction, then bless his dear heart. I just don't believe for a second that he is indifferent about the fact that his solo albums haven't sold, and it must frustrate him at some (probably profound) level. And all this talk about St. Lindsey doing it for the sake of art, blah, blah, blah seems to paint him out as some kind of martyr. Puhlease :rolleyes:. If he really didn't care about sales or money, he would have posted the tracks on his website as free downloads! This would have exposed him to a much wider audience and possibly created new interest over his body of work. And, according to Stevie's account of FM's reaction to her solo success, the band was supposedly quite jealous, especially Lindsey, who reportedly refused to even acknowledge the copy of Bella Donna that Stevie had given to him. It is human nature to want to feel appreciated and wanted, and in the music biz, appreciation=$$. The fact that he loses money every time he does a solo project must not do very much for his ego. And the fact that he has gone on record in the past as stating that he has to do FM albums in order to foster his solo work is also quite telling about his desire to reach a larger audience as a solo artist. I don't blame him one bit!

I don't think he's indifferent to his piddling sales.

What does that mean? It frustrates him profoundly?

Non sequitur. Why does it follow that you're a martyr (?) if you're making the music you want to make rather than the music the execs would prefer (only because they can sell it)? A lot of people make the music they want to make, & a lot of people don't. I think Lindsey generally does what he wants, what he thinks is good. On rare occasions, he's admitted that he went bland or trite for some specifically commercial or political reason (for example, "Mirage" or even "Trouble"). He's no martyr. I'm not even sure how that metaphor is supposed to work: You mean he's sacrificing commercial success for his personal vision? I don't see Lindsey in quite such elevated terms. I think he's just an intelligent guy with talent & a personal voice.

You may be creating a straw man. I'd have to read through this entire thread to know. He cares about sales & money. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that & there's nothing specifically inimical to artistic achievement in that, either -- consider the god of all gods, Beethoven, who connived to sell his great D major Mass to five or more publishers simultaneously. On the other hand, sales & money aren't the sole driving factors in Lindsey's music or career decisions.

Reductive. The music biz isn't the sole hinge here (& money is the appreciation factor in any biz). Lindsey gets appreciation from the ledgies, for example.

On the other hand, as others have noted, being a critics' pet for thirty years can do wonders for the ego. At this point, he's probably used to the schizoid sensation his career gives him -- or if he isn't, he should be.

I don't know when Lindsey has gone on record as saying that. Of course, I've said it. I've compared him to George Clooney and speculated that as doing Oceans 11 gives Clooney financial comfort so that he can go out and do smaller films like Goodnight and Good Luck, FM has given Lindsey certain freedom, freedom to create non-commercial music without worrying that he will miss a mortgage payment. I don't think he is dying to work with FM so that he can stop making flop records. I think he wants to use FM profits to keep making those flop records!

I don't think Lindsey is a martyr, I'm sure that he wants success and acknowledgement like everyone else, but the point is, he has gotten it. So, there's no desperation there. The idea that he has been miserable these last 25 years because he never sold millions as a solo artist really doesn't jive with the facts.

Stevie said Lindsey was jealous of her solo success, but she said he was jealous of her in Fritz. She hasn't said it, but I strongly suspect she thinks he was jealous of her when they sang California Dreaming together that first time too. Once Fritz formed, she said everyone asked for the band with the brown-haired girl in it, although she also said that (like FM) the Polydor wanted to sign Lindsey, not her, they just realized that they couldn't get her without him. So, he was jealous of her, even though it was his skills that got them a recording contract that first time around.

I don't think Lindsey's violent, persistent and unrelenting jealousy of Stevie --or the perception of same -- has that much to do with Bella Donna.

The fact that he has achieved success with FM must soften any blow that not achieving solo fame landed. He can have both worlds, that of poor, struggling creativity and that of platinum, commercial superstardom. The guy didn't even tour on his first albums, even though Trouble did chart. OOTC was his first time out on the road. In the eighties he was young, part of a hot band and would surely have gotten promoters to back him. He didn't do it. He just didn't act like the kind of person that eager for the world to please, please love him.

Saying he has conducted his career in a manner that doesn't prize record sales above all else is not saying he's a martyr. I don't think many martyrs live or spend like he does. But he doesn't live or create like many fame hungry rock stars do either.

Michele

good points, michele.

i'm just amused that so many threads in this forum turn into "**** on lindsey's solo career" threads. for some of us.. probably most of us.. it doesn't matter how many copies of whatever albums sell. all that matters to me is that one copy sells. to me.

quite frankly, the lindsey concert experience was so much more than what fleetwood mac has to offer. huge arenas, long lines, crazy expensive tickets and merch, and several thousand numbnuts who just wanna hear the radio tunes... not cuttin' it.

That's the thing. What is this, "It's not going to sell anyway. Why bother?" mentality? I could understand it more in the eighties than I can now, when no one is selling music anyway. If you stopped creating just because people aren't buying, we'd have nothing to listen to anymore.

Aren't we telling Stevie just to release something, anything new and don't worry about if it sells or not? Put it on your website. Don't worry about Warner Bros. Don't worry about Billboard. Just do it for your fans. If it's not something new, then just give us The Dealer. Do anything. We want something to buy! It could be the greatest thing in the world. If they don't get Justin Timberlake to sing it, it's not going to sale. So, why would we even concern ourselves with that?

Obviously, Lindsey wouldn't be insulted if the music was a surprise hit (for instance, he'd have been pleased in the Elizabethtown soundtrack exploded), but realistically he's got more chance of Lee Lee growing up and letting him produce Bubbly II for her than he does of having a hit himself. Surely he knows that and is not crying in the night over his failures.

Michele

Totally agree, Michele.

FM seems to be a way that makes his solo albums viable. I think these days he does also want to do work with FM, with or without the sales. I think that as long as they don't say to him "Only write hits - none of that "artsy" crap" that he could work with them just fine and be happy. I get the impression that he's willing to do stuff to make FM work (such as giving Stevie a foil) and just wants them to continue as a band.

I hope we get a new FM album if he's going to tour with them otherwise all those times he slagged The Eagles for being a nostalgia band will come back and bite him in the ass. The Eagles even got to release the double album that he wanted :lol:

You know, this makes me think of that great interview the 4 guys did (Christine being a "guy" as well) in, I'm guessing, 1982.

As always, Lindsey was complaining about being blamed for Tusk and Mick diplomatically said that he admired Tusk but thought that Lindsey needed to think of commercial things, because none of his songs from Tusk were being played on the radio. Lindsey shot back that none of his songs from this album were being played on the radio either, so what's the difference, which comment caused John and Christine to burst out into gales of laughter.

That little byplay was just a snapshot that told you everything about what the band is -- or was, anyway.

Michele

Do you still think Lindsey is jealous about Stevie's success with Bella Donna 27years ago?

It's 2008 people.

Get Real. If I turn on the radio today, I hear a boom boom deep dishwash electronic version of a mindblowing beautiful song called Dreams. After shooting a bullet through the speakers I turn on the computer, look on youtube and see a man sitting on the floor of his hotelroom with a guitar, playing To Try For The Sun in a devastatingly vulnerable way. He just recorded it with his own camcorder.

THATs the difference. Look at it and we can stop discussing. It's just looking at the facts and understand.

Album sales don't matter to me either -- I just want the music. Unfortunately, however, they do matter to the record companies. Even small indie labels have to make money somehow. So the fear is always that if an artist doesn't sell a "respectable" amount of albums, it's going to get harder and harder for them to get new music out there and still be able to make any money (which, let's face it, even the most respectable of artists needs to make money somehow).

Stevie gets ragged on endlessly for her comments about radio not wanting to play her newer songs and therefore she's wondered "why bother" when it comes to making new music -- but I understand where she's coming from.

When you're someone like Stevie, who's never been a critical darling but has always had a sizeable audience for her albums, declining radio-play and sales could very well make you start to wonder if people even want to hear new music from you. Granted she shouldn't feel that way -- but I think it's understandable if she does.

Plus, she's certainly not the first once-hugely popular artist to voice concerns and fears about the state of the music industry and how difficult it is to get your music heard. And, yes, of course there are other ways of getting the songs out there without having to deal with the major labels, but those all carry a considerable amount of risk too -- Cyndi Lauper, for example, had an album ('Shine') stuck in limbo for years because the indie label that was supposed to release it, folded.

I do want to point out, however, that she did state in a couple of interviews that she's considering alternative routes (I believe she mentioned iTunes specifically) for getting a few new songs out, here and there. So that very well may still happen.

Given the 130-some songs she's released over the years, and the decades of touring, I would have thought she'd earned at least a little understanding from us while she's trying to figure out her place in music right now.

People shouldn't rag on her for that. Where is the problem? Stevie is being totally realistic.

Pop music is a little bit like the male lion, except that instead of eating its young, it eats its old. The other commerce-heavy arts, like movies & Disney Resort parades, don't chew up & spit out their longtermers quite so violently.

It already has started happening -- Stevie's video commentaries are seminal, are they not, in an artist of her historic significance & age? In other words, isn't she the first of her generation to release her concept videos with voice-overs? I thought that, regardless of the final execution & quality, the conception was exceptionally wickedly attractive & interesting, & I applauded Stevie (literally -- I stood up & gave her the good clap).

I criticize Stevie only because it's expected of me. It's kind of the same reason Stevie sings Dreams every night on the stage.

But the real point here is that I don't understand why she picks at the band members in interviews every year. Does she want to remain in the group or does she want to split? She says that she might record with the group again if this member or that member does this or that -- always some sort of requirement for Stevie to participate. I bet the others get really tired of it. And what do her most recent comments in Q mean anyway? Is she going to do something else with Fleetwood or not? If she isn't, isn't that a sensible enough reason to consider her an ex-member? I mean, what else is she getting at? It's sort of a philosophical question, Stew: If you're not going to do any more albums or tours with a group, why stay with the group? Just to pose for publicity shots?

Now I'm going to speak Swedish, lol!
Ååå, gu va kul med ett F.M fan från Sverige!!! Jag trodde nästan att jag va det enda här på The Ledge!
Jag bor i Värmland, dd?
Ha det bra!

And what about Czech Republic?:)
We have new big O2 arena in Prague!:)

I think that I will never seen Stevie on my own eyes....:(
But I would like to visit some her concert (or Fleetwood Mac concert also!) so much!!!!
It must be boring do USA tour so muchtime in the last few years, isn´t it? The USA isn´t everything... there are also some other parts of the world!

I'd rather buy Lindsey's next solo album than seeing the Mac on tour. Ticket prices have gone through the roof in recent years over here in Germany. And I guess you could call me a s****er for new material as well. (Please excuse the 4-letter-beep. Thanks.

I hope they do tour.
I would prefer a BHTM style line up.

But if the line up is the same as the Say You Will Tour, i hope them play some other tracks (60's stuff and different tracks)