Dead = Sad
 

I'm gonna cry.
It's been more dead than usual here.
I miss the way it used to be.
Where are the trolls? Where are the heated political debates? Where is everyone at yanking eachothers chain??
I miss this place.
Talk to me, dammit!!!

Dont be sad, get glad....! With...Gladlock?

Ermm...well anyway. Its that crazy time of year where everyone is running around like headless chickens i suppose. I find on my two days off during the week I'm doing nearly as much work as the other 5. I've gotten all my Christmas shopping done though! I spent more this year than I have in the last 3 combined. Ugh. Damn retailers.

Yeah, suppose you're right. I'm almost done with shopping. I'm only buying for my girls this year, so it's been a pretty relaxed year for me. Thank God.

Yeah I bought only for my family...cards for everyone else! I battled all odds and managed to get a wii for my sister (my brother and I went half-sies)....I had NO IDEA they were in such demand. I mean, people waiting in lines. The system has been out for a year now! Insanity.

I can see, after all these years, how this time of year turned my father into Clark Griswold! hahaha

Well ever since school has started, I haven't been able to be on here as much.:(

Seven Wonders is back in business.:shrug:

For me, it's a matter of finding other things, namely hockey and Robert Pollard (Guided By Voices), that are here now. I actually get to hang out with these people on a regular basis. Hockey season last almost six months, and Bob has a new album coming out every few months. It's current, it's in the moment. I'm always looking forward to something that actually happens again and again.

It's everything that isn't happening with Fleetwood Mac. Fleetwood Mac fandom is a bit more abstract. I just find it hard to be sentimental over something that will never be what it once was even if the various principle members all got back together (regardless of incarnation, BTW). Fleetwood Mac is done. I've listened to all there is to hear, I've seen all there is to see, I've read (almost) everything there is to read (unless John, Christine, or whoever wants to write another book). I'm still a fan, but I really don't have the interest that I once had. The fact that they did NOTHING for their 40th anniversary tells me they don't care anymore. Why should I?

Plus, all of the dramatic crap that goes on with Fleetwood Mac, all of the healing/growing psychobabble, Stevie's drama queen-isms, etc., have all worn mightily thin on me. I don't care. I just want to see a rock show. Shut up and play, and if you're going to talk, make it entertaining. I'm a social worker. The last thing I want is to pay to watch somebody have a therapy session at a rock concert.

To give you an example of the difference of mentality, ten years ago, Fleetwood Mac basically copied the Eagles' formula for a reunion. Which is lame, if you think about it. To spend the better part of six to seven years highlighting the differences between the bands and to then suddenly copy them? Doesn't make sense. They should have axed the backing vocalists and extra musicians and just gone out as a five piece (not even Ray Lindsey). And, instead of giving a bunch of psychobabble, give a speech that would be worthy of being remembered! Something like Robert Pollard (who has put out two full lenght albums just of his stage banter). That speech would have been more like this: "A few years ago, the Eagles got back together. I guess Don and Glen are buddy-buddy again. F**K the Eagles. How is it possible for a band to suck so badly when it starts off with Bernie Leadon and ends with Joe Walsh? See, they had potential and blew it. We did a lot of blow and exceeded our potential. That's why we were all f**king each other. Hell, we felt bad for them and let them f**k Stevie, but even that didn't help. So, tonight, we're going to show you what a real rock concert is like. Oh, and while we don't openly hate each other anymore, we're not like best buddies, either. We're a rock band. We rock. As you can see, we didn't bring anybody else to the party. Why would we add anything what is already the greatest band in the world?" If they started acting like real rock musicians, then I might be more interested.

well, tbh, I think most people are still skeptic about the 1-strike-and-you're-out routine. That's problem number one.

problem number two is I feel so many people have been burned by other ledgies, that everyone is on the defense. I think everyone pretty well knows what i'm talking about. we're not this happy family anymore. not that we ever were. I mean...it was disfucntional. and it was f*cked up. and it was crazy. but at least, for the most part, everyone cared for each other. there's no connection anymore. we've lots that loving feeling. now it's gone.

gone.


gone.

woah.

I also hate that the ledge has come to this. I'm not going to sit here and say "oh it's the holidays, people are busy" because it sucked before the holidays.

I think a bulk of the main posters don't really visit here as much because of certain events that have played out over the course of the past year. Then seven wonders crashed and this place was flooded with wannabes who were ~timeless~ and ~wind children~ and I felt like the few people who were left were put off by that.

okay. i'll add the holidays. yeah, people are busy *cough cough*

add that to no activity with the band, and you have a pretty bleak situation.

I keep hoping that the place will liven up but it hasn't. I wish I knew a way to fix it because I love this place. i really do.

while we're at it, the ONE thread that actually had activity going on was the thread about the 2girls1cup. it was actually an interesting thread, even though the material was disgusting. But it's not like the video was posted. it's not like a link was posted. we were just discussing the video and the reactions around it and it got deleted. so idk :shrug: whatever.

and to touch on the one strike rule. if it weren't in place, i'd say what I think REALLY think happened to the ledge :laugh:

um. there WAS a ledge before seven wonders came along. and it was doing just fine before seven wonders went down.

I agree with all of that, but:

that's the big reason. You're just so worried about getting banned that you just don't feel like saying anything at all :shrug:

7W going down did nothing positive for the Ledge.

Bingo. I don't even bother anymore when I have to censor everything I say. :shrug: I've discovered I can have much more entertaining discussions away from the Ledge.

I agree. and i see the mod's point of view too. i mean...i'm sure they're thinking.."well, if we lift the one strike rule, then it's going to be a madhouse. why would they want it lifted if they weren't wanting to cause mayhem?" ( :laugh: ) but it's not really about that. I know the rules are in place, but they have been followed so haphazardly, that no one really knows what's wrong and what's okay. so i just say whatever. sorry if it offends someone. if it does, tell me and I'll take it down, or ban me. whatever :cool: I don't need this stress in my life :laugh:

Yes, summer vacation is over. All the teens are busy writing poems to Sharon Celani for English class.

:rolleyes:

Exactly :nod:

True, but you can't have an exciting forum without at least a touch of controversy, and all controversy has been beaten out of this place. Also, you're exactly right, there are lots of rules but there has been no consistency in appyling them, which makes people edgy about saying anything that might be construed as out-of-turn. And btw, you're banned :mad:

:laugh:

This place was built on it. It had the most diverse group of people and for the longest time it worked, despite whatever battles were fought.

It'd be really sad if this place turned into another 7W, where it's all butterflies and "I love yous" and ~magickal stuff~ and "moooooom, he said a bad word!" and "stevie's my goddess!!!11".

Surely that's not the intended path, right?

truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeee.....


and :mad: :mad: :mad: fine. i don't need you :snibble:

and it's "BANT!" jackass. or "BAN~D!" :mad:

If this is the intended path, can we please be informed in advance? So the sane among us can make sure we are far away? :laugh:

you don't? :laugh: Aaawwww.. you dooooo :laugh: Don't deny it :p

And that's true... but I was being all formal :mad:

Why didn't you want to join my mailing list? Or will you? We could have marvelous chats there. I invited Daniel, too, but he hasn't got back to me. :mad:

Another reason for nobody's being around might be the continual technical problems & instability of the server that supports this board. I'm past thinking it's a problem with my browser. It's been just awful. I would say the board "hangs" 75 percent of the time, & out-&-out stalls 10 to 20 percent of the time. Aren't you guys having technical problems with reading & posting?

Oh, I think you and carrie and a few others know better than most.

What do you mean?

I honestly don't know where to start, and it's probably not worth it to dredge it up at this point. What's done is done (at least I hope it's done). Suffice it to say, carrie & friends have gone a long way toward chasing quite a few people off the Ledge.

Well, you've dredged it up yourself, and since you brought it up, I was wondering if you'd like to elaborate on it for those of us who don't know. Or whether you just want to make your snide comment and leave it there.

it appears that way.

oh cry me a river. there were way worse things that drove people away from the ledge than "carrie and friends"

Like what, pray tell? I'm not saying she and her little group did it single-handedly - the Ledge had been going downhill for some time before she jumped into the mix - but she certainly seems to have driven one hell of a nail into the coffin.

No, michelle is the one who dredged it up. I just followed her lead, rightly or wrongly. :)

"carrie and friends"?

that's pretty damn offensive to me -
but maybe cos i consider myself a friend of carrie -
but more likely because it's a bunch of crap

:mad:

i know you have no love lost for me either, but seriously - off the high horse bub, they need it over at the christian coalition.

Nope, no, it was definitely you who brought names into it. If you think "Carrie and friends" contributed to driving people off the Ledge, then it's only fair to explain why you think that. Or it really wasn't sensible to make it personal, was it?

bite me, meatwad. i haven't even been here in weeks.

on edit: if you're not interested in dredging up old business, maybe you should keep your whiny yap shut and watch who you're name checking. if i really am the "big bad carrie" who broke the ledge you should know that i'm not gonna let a comment like that slide by without responding.

I have to agree to some degree (don't fall over dead :laugh: )

To some (not all and not really me) -- the non FM related conversations that went on essentially after the last SN tour were not interesting. But, they were the only things going on at the time. Then came the whole horsemanity thing, which was funny, but rude and hurtful to some people. Then came the bloodletting of many long time members -- based on in the opinion of many, if not most and certainly me, a rather ridiculous one strike rule with no appeal. This certainly let a bad taste in my mouth and I certainly thought about leaving for good.

But, even having said all that, I think the real reason for the decline is there is nothing significant going on in Stevieland and/or FM. Let either of those two entities release a new record and/or hit the road again and things will liven up but quick and despite the shiitte in the first paragraph.

so that sounds like the people who tried to keep the place going (while fleetwood mac weren't doing anything ) are to blame because they weren't interesting to everyone. that doesn't really make sense to me - if something/someone aren't interesting to me then i should start something that would be interesting to me and hopefully others and not blame the folks who are participating in something that they obviously find interesting.

i am glad you didn't leave and i agree with this timeline but i would submit that you left off a couple other factors. with the one strike rule in place you never know what can get one bant (nickel to jazzy) but here goes:

ethan made quite a splash when he got here and there was a large contingency of folks who didn't think that the mods did enough to persuade him to try to keep some of his more annoying habits (multiple threads on the same topic etc) in check (:wavey:). others didn't find ethan nearly as annoying as others and said "put him on ignore if you don't like him".

i know of longtime members who left here cos of the moderating at the time.
and they are still waiting for the change over of the mods to be completed.



i also agree with this -

and i am not attacking what you said, just discussing ok?
being one of "carrie's friends" i want to make sure my aims are clear. :laugh:

^^^^

I know you are not attacking me, but thanks for saying that :cool:

I, too, like Carrie and her posse, whatever and whomever that includes. I am just saying that to given the feast of FM related activity since 1997, the last year has been drab. LB's tour was mildly interesting, but it failed to get the people not that interested in him interested in him, which IMO is sad because it was a great tour. So, the filler conversation has not been to everyone's liking. After all, the Ledge first is a FM related site. So, when that conv. goes, the chit chat board is not for everyone.

In the end, I think FM is fading away and ergo, so must this place.

As an aside, your covers helped keep this joint a hoppin for awhile :nod:

cool

i don't disagree i would just paraphrase-up the same advice that was given out earlier - 'if you don't like something/someone, then ignore it'




yes, it will come and go in fits and starts with their declining output. but for many, the chitchat area will be reason to check back here and keep in touch with ledgie friends.
That all the topics aren't to everyone's liking should just be a given.


til i got pissed like a little baby and deleted them all -
but thanks - that is a sweet thing to say

True and I am a BIG fan of that idea :laugh: - but when that is all or significantly most of what is here, then people not interested in it or people repulsed by it are going to leave. Thus, my conclusion.

Oh the horsemanity :wavey:

Honestly, I quit caring after the 7 Wonders drama ended up on this board.

I have to say, I sucessfully ignored it. I do not remember even commenting on it. I will say though, that fortunately, it was mostly confined to two or three titular threads. But, and back to my point, when that essestially is all that is going on to any significant degree and you are ignoring it, this place becomes somewhat irrelevant to your world.

let the record show that i don't give 2 ****s about 7 wonders or the people on it. even if the conversation is dominated by it and i participate. it's just talk. it doesn't mean it matters.

also, i haven't been posting because i've been busy. and, while i still check here almost daily... there haven't been any threads that have motivated me to say anything. i mean, i guess i just don't feel like being told that i'm a cold-hearted bitch again. this week. :rolleyes:

and carrie is rad.

wow - what a cold hearted bitch.






lol - :xoxo:
i don't think you are cold hearted -
direct ? sure but it's endearing to some:wavey:

no time for ping pong either then?
you should be practicing an hour a day.:rolleyes:

did you see the 2008 "Carrie" calendar yet?:] my personal fave is february's S&M outfit in honor of valentine's day.


he said 'titular' :D


yea - let's go back to blaming the band for not enough output:D

maybe that will get them moving?

I dunno. Me, I've been too busy watching our mighty exalted leader George W. Bush's wonderful efforts as the best President ever of These United States, and learning about Stevie's sordid past which is completely all Lindsey's fault and not at all Stevie's, and wondering how Fleetwood Mac ever got by with a drummer like Mick Fleetwood and a bass guitarist like John McVie.

Good 'nuff? :wavey: :lol:

I received an invitation?