Stevies apparent weight problem in early 90's
 

Hi Everyone

i've just been watching some stevie vids over on youtube, one Stand Back from 94, and i wondered, even though she has said and fans have said she was a tubby tubby, i dont see it, i see that she has lots of layers on, uno to cover up, but i dont see a large woman under it. Was she? :shocked:

Well, you know, I guess it's all relative.

I saw her back in '85 & the audience thought she was fat.

Fat, thin, tall, petite, it's metabolic fluctuation. In fact, I prefer "metabolically challenged" to "fat." Now some docs are saying that excess fat doesn't necessarily put you at greater risk for coronary artery disease or heart disease or even diabetes. Still, eat more fatty fish & less fatty red meat (but don't ask me why). Above all, wiggle your ass more vigorously to Stevie Nicks songs & you will burn those calories!

Stevie has always been a beautiful lady but her beauty on the outside does not matter. It is only her beauty on the inside & her kindness & her concern for others that make her the lady that she is.

lol.

Just to clarify though for other ledgies, i am not having a dig at her, nor being nasty whatsoever, im just curious. Are there any big stevie photos?

I never thought she looked as overweight as people (La Nicks herself included) said she was. As you say -- lots of layers, but I never really saw it either. :shrug: I could watch that Blue Denim video from dawn until dusk. She looked amazing.

I think the only time I ever thought she looked overweight was at the Clinton's inauguration. I hadn't seen her in a while and it was a bit of a shock for me- she was still beautiful though.

When she was young she was one of the super thin so anything after that (which of course is normal while we age) seemed bigger to people, I guess.:shrug:

Meh, sometimes she looked great...

http://img4.pictiger.com/ff0/13006260.jpg

Sometimes she didn't...

http://img4.pictiger.com/912/13006277.bmp

But that goes for every era. :shrug: (And it depends on the angle also. ;)) You can definitely see the weight gain during that time as opposed to a few years earlier -you'd have to be blind not to see it- and I understand why Stevie was bothered by it, especially considering her profession and the smack talk she received from the media. With women, appearances are what's focused on, and that's rather frustrating when you are trying to bring forth and achieve something completely different.

That's true -- and bear in mind that she's only 5'1". :o

Stevie maintains that she cut the 1994 tour way short because of all the weight-related comments in reviews. I've never seen an actual review of a 1994 show that made a rotten comment about weight gain. Does anyone have one she could share? I don't see one in BLA.

Nope, never seen one. At least not one where she was put down because of her weight. I do think a few mentioned it, but not in a rotten way. But any mention of it can kind of be considered rude, no?

Was it during Tango era that dj's were making fun of her weight gain? Mirror?

I'm just wondering what specifically hurt her that year to the extent that she would wrap up a tour early & go home. I think it may have been talk from inside her camp -- possibly her management with "career advice" -- rather than from the public or from newspaper writers, most of whom seemed to ignore Stevie pretty much by that point anyway (except for that silly Jancee Dunn at Rolling Stone, who seemed to think that by painting Stevie as used up or a has-been, she was re-mythologizing her).

I don't remember. I guess catty comments on radio were made all through those years. Sometimes jokes take on a life of their own -- they become trendy -- & go way beyond the original criticism. I do remember that jokes about the inaugural ball appearance even reached the newsroom where I was working. Maybe it wasn't specifically 1994 tour reviews that hurt her but things said from the prior year or two, & when Stevie actually got out on the road in 1994, those things started brewing in her brain again & disturbed her.

I agree.

http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images...sClintonIn.jpg


see, i don't even think that second pic is all that bad :shrug:

and this pic was taken when she had started to gain weight. some of the others from this era she looks a bit bigger, but this one, I think she looks like she did back in the day. you really can't tell from her body, but her face looks thin.

http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images...angoLive03.jpg

No, the inauguration pictures are definitely worse. Oy.

I don't remember any reviews but I do recall 2 local DJs commenting on it, one said something like he say her at a benefit and instead of walking up to the buffet table to take food back to her seat she instead just pulled her chair up to the buffet.

The weight she gained looked more like bloating to me which is caused by medications. And the fact that she is only 5'1 makes it look worse. I must admit i was not happy seeing her look so so very round.

Here's a favorable weight comment in a review from August 12, 1994:

Cleveland Plain Dealer

Section: FRIDAY

STEVIE NICKS AT TOP FORM, SCARVES AND ALL
JANE SCOTT PLAIN DEALER ROCK REPORTER
Stevie Nicks still has that knack.

The former Fleetwood Mac singer may be 46. She hasn't toured in three years. But she gave a vivid, warm-hearted 95-minute show Wednesday night at Blossom Music Center that proved again she is one of rock's top female singers.

She has been a solo artist since 1980, with her first album, "Bella Donna," going quadruple platinum. Still she was a more satisfying representative of the old Mac than last month's Fleetwood Mac show at Blossom, which had only two original members and a shrill new singer.

Though Nicks did only three Mac songs, they were powerful choices, "Dreams," "Rhiannon (Will You Ever Win)" and "Gold Dust Woman."

She had an enchantment, almost kind of a magic at her first solo show here in July 1983, and she still has. She flowed on stage Wednesday in a black lacy dress with a long scarf and black lace gloves. She had six changes of scarves through the show. Even the mike was draped in black fringe. But somehow these suit her. She has lost weight since her last show here.

The backdrop, a large (almost 18 feet high) gold-framed picture over Victorian wallpaper, gave you the warm touch of being in your own living room. The stage was dark as the 11-member band played "Outside the Rain" from "Bella Donna," segueing into the Mac's 1975 No. 1 song, "Dreams."

Nicks' blond hair, straight, full and very fluffy was a little bit of a surprise, but her voice wasn't - as strong as ever, though a little less breathy.

She did the mystic "Rhiannon" with the sad cry, "Don't leave me now," early. bringing the crowd to its feet. The song seemed to have a life of its own, changing pace, changing mood. Nicks wound up twirling with her scarf held out like wings.

"Stand Back," from her platinum solo album, "The Wild Heart," was a great contrast, almost wall-to-wall sound, with Nicks's lyrics echoed by her three back-ups, Sharon Celani, Lisa Jane Edwards and Sara Fleetwood, ex-wife of Mick Fleetwood.

One of the new songs, "Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind," from Nicks' current "Street Angel" album, was as melodic and catchy as earlier hits. Fans lit candles at the start of another "Street Angel" track, "Destiny." They already knew it. It was recycled from a 1982 release.

The only mediocre track was "Docklands." Her new "Listen to the Rain" would have been a better choice."

Nicks' set closer, her "Edge of Seventeen (Just Like a White Winged Dove)" was a complete change of pace, almost an angry outcry, with Nicks falling to her knees. It also triggered the offering of roses as well as teddy bears and Stevie Nicks dolls from front row fans. Nicks shook hands as she accepted them. This has become a heartfelt ritual. Fortunately it only occurs on one song.

Nicks fans, 6,000 at this show, have become as dedicated as Deadheads. Brianna Marie Imbordini of suburban Brooklyn, 9, wasn't the only fan dressed in Nicks-like scarves. High school teacher Jeff Feinberg drove in from Buffalo for the show.

The opening act was Darden Smith, a towering Texan who had a gem of a song, "Levee Song," which he had co-written with Chip Taylor, writer of "Wild Thing." Smith did most of his pieces on his acoustic guitar, but sang another splendid track, "Loving Arms," with lot of gusto. Both Nicks and Smith had songs called "Talk to Me," though Smith's was more seductive. Smith's voice isn't as distinctive as Nicks, but he's on his way.

South Florida Sun-Sentinel, June 29, 1994

Section: LIFESTYLE

NICKS DYLANESQUE;
SPIN DOCS GET HAPPY

DEBORAH WILKER

STEVIE NICKS : Street Angel (Modern Records).

The image of a weary, flat Stevie Nicks wretching through Don't Stop at President Clinton's inaugural bash was more jolt than joy. Is this what had become of Fleetwood Mac? A bunch of broken-down hippies who could barely zip up and keep time?

What should have been a glorious return was instead an uncomfortable embarrassment. The reunion offers did not come pouring in.

Nicks wisely has kept her distance from that moment, laying low for the past 18 months while time did the fade-job on the national memory bank. She's out of Fleetwood Mac for good, has a new life and home in Arizona and a new solo set - her fifth since 1981.

Whatever circumstances led to that dreadful inaugural performance aren't evident on this pleasant collection of lite rockers.

That froggy rasp of hers has been likened to Bob Dylan's for years, but never has Nicks captured as much of his edge than on this set. Whether it's the age in her voice, or simple admiration for him, she has got him down, particularly on an adoring cover of Just Like a Woman. Then there's also Blue Denim, during which she reaches for low notes, and in missing them just a bit, contorts as only Dylan can.

But Dylan is hardly the focus of what is essentially the usual shredded-heart set, featuring women who lose big in love and bound back strong. Standouts include Unconditional Love and the heavenly Destiny (which would have made a much better first single than Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind).

Stellar session work from Andy Fairweather Low, Roy Bittan, Waddy Wachtel, Dave Crosby and Dylan himself bring the whole thing up a notch, though brighter melodies throughout would have truly brought it home.

Denver Rocky Mountain News (CO), November 18, 1994

Section: ENTERTAINMENT/WEEKEND/SPOTLIGHT

FINAL EXIT AT THE BOULDER THEATER?

MICHAEL MEHLE

The fat lady is warming up at the Boulder Theater, and I'm not talking about Stevie Nicks .

Boulder voters drubbed a proposed hotel tax hike that would have allowed the city to buy, renovate and run the theater, a la the city-owned Chautauqua Auditorium.

Those fighting to save one of the area's most comfortable, best sounding theaters are meeting next week to brainstorm a last-ditch effort.

They'd best hurry. Theater owners would prefer to sell it to the city, but they have other offers waiting in the wings. Presumably, not all of those offers include keeping the landmark a theater. The site has always been targeted for another clothes store, condos or offices.

Boulder voters were given their chance, and the message was clear: 18,523 against, 12,878 for the proposal, which was battled furiously by the city's hotel owners.

"I understand the issue was big and complicated," promoter Nona Gandelman said. "But from a cultural standpoint, we need a theater like this."

The venue has been closed since summer 1993, when taxes and creditors finally caught up with then-owner Dick Macleod. Following foreclosure, the theater's original owner has been keeping some music alive by allowing the producers of E-Town to lease the building cheaply.

But it's a far cry from the early '90s, when the theater was the top mid-sized venue in the state.

Its demise helped open the door for several other venues, but none has filled the bill of the 58-year-old art-deco beauty on 14th Street just off the Pearl Street Mall.

The Fox Theatre on University Hill seats about half as many people. And "seats" isn't quite the right word for its room with remarkable sound but few actual spots to sit.

The Bluebird Theater on East Colfax Avenue comes close to matching the ambiance of the Boulder Theater, but is half the size. The Ogden Theatre, also on East Colfax, is the same size (about 1,000 capacity) as the Boulder venue, but has been a better draw for louder, younger bands.

The Paramount Theatre is just too expensive and too large (about 2,000 seats) for many acts to fill.

"We've been at this a long time," said E-Town's Nick Forster, who has been fighting for the venue while leasing it for the weekly show. "It's time for something concrete to happen. We must save this theater."

Soaked: You won't hear the singers of Soak moaning about their day jobs.

But then, it's not as if they're collating copies at a law firm. Shawn Farmer and Jim Hale are professional snowboarders, and if there's anything equitable to being paid to rock 'n' roll, it may be collecting a paycheck for shredding mountains.

It's the other members of Soak who must make amends for their singers' occupations and new locations.

Farmer now lives in Lake Tahoe, Calif., and Hale in Seattle. That poses a bit of a problem for a Denver band.

"We don't play very often," explains bassist Erik Oberhausen. "It's a matter of collecting air fares to get where we need to be. If it's an event worth going to, we figure it out and go there."

Oberhausen, drummer Jason Smith and guitarist Larry Denning are mainstays of Denver's revolving rock circuit, having done their dues with bands ranging from Bum Kon to Jux County to Acid Ranch.

They keep their toes in other bands while waiting for the sporadic shows with Soak, a band that combines metal riffs and rap.

A lot of those gigs coincide with - surprise - snowboarding competitions.

Last year Soak played the King of the Hill snowboarding contest in Valdez, Alaska, sharing the bill with national punkers Offspring and Pennywise. Next year, Soak will likely play at California's Mammoth Mountain for Board Aid, a combination competition and celebration for snowboarders.

Last year's Alaska show was even more logistically difficult than usual, because drummer Jason Smith and guitarist Larry Denning were living in San Francisco while playing with Jux County.

"We were all over the country," Oberhausen said.

Now, at least three of the fivesome call Denver home. Farmer and Hale flew in earlier this week to rehearse for 10 p.m. shows at the Lion's Lair Friday and at Seven South Saturday.

If you miss them this weekend, you'll have quite a wait.

"Oh, it could be awhile," Oberhausen said. "Maybe next summer."

BLUE DENIM
BLUE DENIM


i concur

blue denim kicks AAAAAAAAAAAAAASS

and THIS pic........

http://img4.pictiger.com/ff0/13006260.jpg

is way friggin awesome

I think so too Dee! I totally agree! To me, I never even noticed her weight, as I was way too busy paying attention to that GREAT voice of hers!:)

Some of the weight-gain was spotted by me as early as 1988. On the TITN tour stops I caught, she looked skinny and also looked very very skinny in the press. But during the press for the FM Greatest Hits Stevie looked very bloated and I thought she looked more bloated on the Timespace Tour and the BTM tour than on Street Angel.

the outfit she wore at the inaugural didn't do her any favors. The whole thing looked too tight, the shoulder pads were ludicrous, and the top hat added no glamour and looked out of place. Her face in particular, looked very bloated and her eyes didn't look very 'alert'. Not even a good hair night for her.

Blue Denim? Please, Don't get me started. :blob1:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...IE_NICKS-7.jpg

Gotta say..kinda like it.

BEAUTIFUL DELIVERY! Very nice. I am impressed, sir.


Anyway, Blue Denim is the worst song in Stevie Nicks' song-writing history. If I took It's Too Late by Carole King, "She Bop" by Cyndi Lauper, added some adjectives, ate the paper I wrote this all down on, and then proceeded to use the restroom, whatever was left in the toilet would be "Blue Denim."

I'm sorry, but no, that spot is saved for Two Kinds of Love.

I love Blue Denim. Street Angel wasn't all that bad, y'all.

Eyy ... That's not fair! :mad: :p Why do you hate it so much? A lot of people hate Street Angel and would call that the high point...

Oh my God Vanessa, you can't be serious? Blue Denim isn't half the song Two Kinds of Love is. I think Street Angel would've been a solid album if Blue Denim WASN'T on it, infact, the title track is one of my favorite Stevie songs. But Blue Denim is just a Stevie tragedy.

I just think its terrible. I don't know, Stevie is usually such an amazing song writer, such depth to her lyrics, but she wrote Blue Denim around A PAIR OF JEANS! :lol: Its like me seeing a girl wearing a paisley sweater, and me going home, writing a song about how she reminded me of a Peacock. Its ridiculous. :distress:

See, I don't think the lyrics are bad at all. Imo it's the track that goes with the lyrics that makes the song horrible.

You know, Michele, "the fat lady" comments are still being made today.

I got this off of a Nascar racing site:

Fast Laps in Florida are all that remain
Monday November 12, 2007 @ 01:07 PM EST
Posted by Benchracingc

They say it isn’t over until the fat lady sings – that it ain’t over ’til it’s over. Where’s Stevie Nicks when you need her?
I know, Jeff Gordon still has a mathematical chance of catching Jimmy Johnson and capturing the last Nextel Cup Championship. This isn’t about arithmetic folks. Watching Johnson the last four weeks could deflate Al Gore at a PETA convention. It’s over.
Maybe someone different could win a race for a change though – like Smoke Stewart or somebody in a Ford. How about one of the Busch brothers – it is Florida after-all?
Maybe Dale Earnhardt Jr will make all happy – steal one of Truex Jr’s cars – and thwart the evil desires of Broomhilda.
I need a drink. But first take a cruise on the multi-tiered, variably-banked four corners of this week’s Fast Lap questions.
1) Will the 48 team continue their “race to win strategy” at Homestead or will they race for 18th?
2) Is Homestead the best place to finish the season?
3) Should Petty Enterprises merge/partner with Gillett-Evernham?
4) Will any of the three 2008 open wheel rookies not make it to the end of the season?
It’s Championship week ON PIT ROW. Give these babies your best and we may feature you on the show. We may also pillory you at the same time, but it’s all in fun. It’s the Fast Lap, ON PIT ROW and at the Thunder Lounge.

People can be shallow little twats these days. NASCAR fans going after people for being fat? Here's the first image that came up after a Google search for "NASCAR fan":

http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/img...nascar-fan.jpg

Looks like someone's rear end could use a little reaming from the platform heel of hell.

The way she has slimmed down these days I don't think Stevie could be called "fat" by anyone, not even Kate Moss.

I was and am taken by the jaunty Blue Denim. Certainly, it's more pedestrian than Stevie's other songs. One doesn't expect Stevie to write about cars or denim or . . . Well, at least it's no forgotten chimpanzee!

Anyway, I'm a sucker that way. Start talking about eyes and you've got me lock, stock and barrel.

I still miss someone.

Michele

Nope, I like Blue Denim. I like it mostly because of the lyrics and the sentiment behind the song, but the song itself is not bad either. I never skip it. Two Kinds Of Love needs to be burned at the stake.

And I love Street Angel, the song. Love, love, love.

I can't hate on Blue Denim or any of Street Angel really. Not after hearing Carrie's dramatic interpretation of Docklands and that unforgettable guitar intro to Blue Denim.

Ok, I think the song would've been a lot more tolerable if it wasn't titled Blue Denim and didn't have the words "Blue Denim" in it.

I saw him the other day
I saw him again...yesterday
I wonder if I'll ever see him again
He reminded me of something I lost

Blue-gray eyes...they change with the color...
Change with the sun...they run with the sight
They change with the wind...but they're always bright
Bright eyes...
Bright eyes...

I knew him another way
I knew him another day
In some ways he'd forgotten me
In many ways he got to me
I turned away so he couldn't see
I turned away...it could never be
I never thought he could walk away
But I lost him again...yesterday

Understanding me...understanding you
Is not an easy thing to do
Understanding me...and understanding you
Is not an easy thing to do

And I will never forget...
The last time I saw you
Like a photograph...so rare
Like a painting
No I will never forget...
The last time I saw you
Never to be...not you...not me
No...no...

So I'm going away for a little while
To remember how to feel
And if I find the answer...
I promise you...I'll come back and get you
I'll come back and get you
I'll come back and get you

Just by taking out "Blue Denim" the song takes on a whole other form, it could've been called "Another Day." :shrug:

And why can't you get into Two Kinds of Love?

I love 'Blue Denim', and it seems I'm in the minority here. But, I loved it a little 'less' when the story started circulating about 11 years ago that it was written for this crazy, deranged dude that used to post in any Stevie forum he could find (AOL, alt.music.stevie nicks, etc). I won't say his name, but the initials are BG.

I dunno, something about the first opening bars and the trills of the organ get my arms swinging at my flower-draped mic.

I remember her doing a really good version of Blue Denim live on the SA tour at Chastain,
it was especially rockin'.

I don't think that's a fair comment to make ... because it's not actually about a pair of jeans, it's about the colour of someone's eyes.

(Or laundromat. :eek:)

Well ... yes, can't argue with that! :laugh: Though I like Jane, quite a lot -- that line needs to go!

Does anyone know what tour this is? I agree, she looks great here!

I'm also dying to see footing of the infamous "mini skirt" she wore for first few songs on the first leg of the BTM tour. Someone posted videos from an early show on YouTube but none with the skirt :shrug:

its not the same if it doesnt rhyme :(
love songs need to rhyme.
:shrug:

I personally LOVE Street Angel [the album....]
Its amazing.
Blue Denim is probably my second favourite song off of it.
MLWCYM is the first [yeah, Stevie Didnt write it. oh well!]

And whats so wrong about comparing someones eyes to a pair of blue jeans??? its at least not a bad of a cliche as comparing them to 'the sky on a summers day' -.-

I'm gonna say late Tango tour for that picture. I'm sure Vanessa would love to post some pictures of the mini-skirt.

Goodness, I love Blue Denim and Two Kinds of love....... I must just be really weird. :laugh: