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Rickypt 07-31-2007 01:43 PM

Let's grade the CV tour
 
Now that Stevie has officially closed the Crystal Visions tour at the Vegas shoe show, let's give the tour a grade. You can use any criteria you wish, but try to include: setlist, vocals, appearance, energy, costumes, choice of venues, etc.

There aren't enough poll choices to include pluses and minuses (i.e., a B+), but you can clarify in your post.

I give it a B-. Had she included a couple of new songs then it would have been an A- because her vocals were stunning and she was full of energy. In order for her to get an A, she'd have to start playing better venues than the sheds. But that's just me. I also had to knock off some points for missing a grand opportunity to duet with Eye Sack.

strandinthewind 07-31-2007 02:04 PM

^^^

I agreed with you on all points. AND - her NYC alone kept it from being a mere C+ :eek:

UnwindedDreams 07-31-2007 02:10 PM

NYC???

Why am I puzzled at that?

strandinthewind 07-31-2007 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 707422)
NYC???

Why am I puzzled at that?

Oops -- I meant her NYC (Jones Beach) finery and bravery!

BlackWidow 07-31-2007 02:54 PM

..don't get me started.

wolfontherun 07-31-2007 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickypt (Post 707411)
Now that Stevie has officially closed the Crystal Visions tour at the Vegas shoe show, let's give the tour a grade. You can use any criteria you wish, but try to include: setlist, vocals, appearance, energy, costumes, choice of venues, etc.

There aren't enough poll choices to include pluses and minuses (i.e., a B+), but you can clarify in your post.

I give it a B-. Had she included a couple of new songs then it would have been an A- because her vocals were stunning and she was full of energy. In order for her to get an A, she'd have to start playing better venues than the sheds. But that's just me. I also had to knock off some points for missing a grand opportunity to duet with Eye Sack.


B for me. Loved loved loved her vocals, the band was tighter than I had ever heard them to be. She looked marvelous.

It would have been an A if she had thrown in some new and or obscure stuff.

SortaSavageLike 07-31-2007 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackWidow (Post 707443)
..don't get me started.

Why not? It's all we ever hear out of you anymore.

foxyluva 07-31-2007 03:07 PM

B. The only thing I didn't like was the setlist - but I have learned to live with it now...

foxyluva 07-31-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike (Post 707452)
Why not? It's all we ever hear out of you anymore.

Thank you! I think he thinks it is cool and funny to be so critical of Stevie :shrug:

BlackWidow 07-31-2007 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxyluva (Post 707455)
Thank you! I think he thinks it is cool and funny to be so critical of Stevie :shrug:

gays. ruin. everything.

BlackWidow 07-31-2007 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike (Post 707452)
Why not? It's all we ever hear out of you anymore.

"...when you hang up that phone..well you cease to exist."

foxyluva 07-31-2007 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackWidow (Post 707459)
gays. ruin. everything.

Wow, taking something I made up and turning it back on me. Good one :rolleyes:

SortaSavageLike 07-31-2007 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackWidow (Post 707459)
gays. ruin. everything.

I don't think they can hear sounds below 2,000 hz, either. :wavey:

BlackWidow 07-31-2007 03:19 PM

***Crickets***

foxyluva 07-31-2007 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackWidow (Post 707463)
***Crickets***

Another classic line. Where do you come up with this stuff?

HejiraNYC 07-31-2007 04:02 PM

She gets a B for effort. She still soldiers on, albeit, sometimes on autopilot.

She gets an A for appearance. Hello, boots, anyone?

She gets an F for the setlist.

She gets a B for singing. She sounded great live, but sounded terrible on her TV appearances.

The band gets an A-. I missed Taku, but Lenny is pretty great in his own right, and I'm so, so, so glad that she finally ditched that hack Brett Tuggle. :nod: Waddy rocks harder than ever!

FINAL GRADE: B

JazmenFlowers 07-31-2007 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by foxyluva (Post 707454)
B. The only thing I didn't like was the setlist - but I have learned to live with it now...

yep.
Quote:

Originally Posted by foxyluva (Post 707461)
Wow, taking something I made up and turning it back on me. Good one :rolleyes:

I totally lol'd.
Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 707474)
She gets a B for effort. She still soldiers on, albeit, sometimes on autopilot.

She gets an A for appearance. Hello, boots, anyone?

She gets an F for the setlist.

She gets a B for singing. She sounded great live, but sounded terrible on her TV appearances.

The band gets an A-. I missed Taku, but Lenny is pretty great in his own right, and I'm so, so, so glad that she finally ditched that hack Brett Tuggle. :nod: Waddy rocks harder than ever!

FINAL GRADE: B

omg. lol. get outta my head.

Macfanforever 07-31-2007 05:23 PM

My 7 show report card an A average.
 
Ok all ,here's my Stevie's CV tour, report card, I did not care about the set list.I just want to hear that beautiful voice, Live.But I agree with all of you on a better selection and alot less time on the opening act, on a opening performance should run about 30 to 45 minutes and not longer.



Out of 7 shows In order as I seen them,
1 Holmdel "A-" First time I heard Eye sack, He was good ,But his set was way too Long.also they should do some duets on this tour,like Don did,
2 Jones Beach "A", This show was a nightmare that went good.Do to the tides
and it was the first time I got to Shake Stevie's hand.
3 Camden NJ "A-", The show it self was good,It would been the second time
to get a chance to shake Stevie's hand.but she reconize my face and waved and smiled at me.that was good enough for me.Do to stage setup, the amp wiring on stage right was a trip hazzard for Stevie to come all the way to the end.Yea Stevie's safety comes first.
4 Atlantic City "A-", This show was good. I had crappy seats do to fan noise and a drunk bozo jumping up and down next to me, could not get down front for the edge walk..on the plus side I'd had a chance to chat with Cornell Thigpin before the show.
5 Mansfield MA "A+" , This show was the best, The security was nice, A firm hand shake from Stevie,It was worth loosing $60 dollars for a last minute upgrade to 6 row seats from the last floor section 5.
6 Scranton PA "A", This show was good, It was nice to see Vanessa Carlton
for the first time, Eye Sacks set should be the same length as hers.
It would a been the forth chance to get a chance to shake Stevie's hand
but she and me could not reach.
7 Mohegan Sun "A", for the show," F" for the security at the fans,Stevie should told the security off like she did in 1989.no chance in hill to get up for the edge walk, do to security.

steviefan59 07-31-2007 05:32 PM

grade c.v.
 
hi all...i gave it an A for 2 reasons...the tour came to canada for 3 days...stevie started with stand back and enchanted which really rocked the house imho...i agree she needs some new material for her shows but all in all it was a hell of a representation of "crystal visions cd/dvd"...take care...pat

Fallfromgrace84 07-31-2007 05:59 PM

B
 
I give this tour a B.
Sound, stage presence, band and venues weren't bad at all. Castro is THE percusionist IMO and Taku himself even put a high grade on his work. Stevie sounded great and even though the set list SUCKED it was nice to hear a few gems pollished.
IMO, as an Ohio resident, Youngstown was a poor choice. I understand she obviously is getting tired and wanted a smaller tour, but her past appearances here held more people and brought in much more money. She typically plays 2-3 shows here and a small venue in "the sticks" was just different. Either way... she still rocks.

danax6 07-31-2007 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind (Post 707420)
^^^

I agreed with you on all points. AND - her NYC alone kept it from being a mere C+ :eek:

Yes, completely agree. That remains my favorite show of this tour. What a trooper. :cool:

And I gave it a B also. I'm with Hejira 100%.

Hawkeye 07-31-2007 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind (Post 707420)
^^^

I agreed with you on all points. AND - her NYC alone kept it from being a mere C+ :eek:

I can't get over how so many think it was the highlight of the tour that Stevie got COLD and put on a COAT! what bravery Stevie :laugh: personally I think the Jones Beach footage was some of Stevie's lesser performances of the CV tour. The How Still My Love Carrie posted is way better then the JB one.

MacMan 07-31-2007 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallfromgrace84 (Post 707506)
IMO, as an Ohio resident, Youngstown was a poor choice. I understand she obviously is getting tired and wanted a smaller tour, but her past appearances here held more people and brought in much more money. She typically plays 2-3 shows here and a small venue in "the sticks" was just different. Either way... she still rocks.

She pretty much doesn't decide where she wants to play, that's determined by the promoters, booking agents and her managers... Ask Lori

strandinthewind 07-31-2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye (Post 707541)
I can't get over how so many think it was the highlight of the tour that Stevie got COLD and put on a COAT! what bravery Stevie :laugh: personally I think the Jones Beach footage was some of Stevie's lesser performances of the CV tour. The How Still My Love Carrie posted is way better then the JB one.

Well, it was very cold and raining, a situation less than desirable for a singer, much less one who has gotten sick on many a tour in the past. So, that is why I credit her for that. I did not think the concert was any better or worse than any of the other CV tour shows, other than she was obviously miserable. But, to each their own :cool:

strandinthewind 07-31-2007 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacMan (Post 707560)
She pretty much doesn't decide where she wants to play, that's determined by the promoters, booking agents and her managers... Ask Lori

I think that is true in that she wants the large bucks and the promoters who pay them. I think she could go with a less promoter and lesser people around her and playt what the hell she wanted. But, I cannot blame her for not fixing what ain't broken :shrug:

AliceLover 07-31-2007 11:24 PM

Clothes - B+/A- (They were really great, but she didn't wear enough shawls.)

Voice - A (At this point, she is really shining vocally with all the adlibs and stuff. She sounded consistently good throughout the whole tour.

Set/Show - F Same f*cking show Ive been listening to for the past 2 years.

She really upped the ante but she didn't change a thing. Watching those CV DVD's has been awful. I am SO SICK of those songs.

I gave the tour a D. I had a fun time at my show, but she really didn't win me over on this one.

gldstwmn 07-31-2007 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind (Post 707425)
Oops -- I meant her NYC (Jones Beach) finery and bravery!

Agreed. That needs to happen way more often.

BlackWidow 08-01-2007 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by foxyluva (Post 707464)
Another classic line. Where do you come up with this stuff?

be careful little girl....:lol:

PenguinHead 08-01-2007 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacMan (Post 707560)
She pretty much doesn't decide where she wants to play, that's determined by the promoters, booking agents and her managers... Ask Lori

Yeah, but that is a bunch of bull! If Stevie wanted, she could chose to perform whatever she wanted...if she still wanted to be considered an artist. Many bands/artists play whatever they want. Stevie, somehow, clings to the notion that she has to always play certain songs (aka Dreams!) and bow to sales figures to determine her set list. If there is any point in her career in which she could take chances and stretch out a bit, it's now! The chance of reclaiming the hit single career she had in the past is over. But now she has an established credibility and the power pursue new endevors without the pressure to prove herself. Instead, she chooses to coast on the past, becoming an interpreter of her past, or worse, a parody.

BlackWidow 08-01-2007 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 707782)
Yeah, but that is a bunch of bull! If Stevie wanted, she could chose to perform whatever she wanted...if she still wanted to be considered an artist. Many bands/artists play whatever they want. Stevie, somehow, clings to the notion that she has to always play certain songs (aka Dreams!) and bow to sales figures to determine her set list. If there is any point in her career in which she could take chances and stretch out a bit, it's now! The chance of reclaiming the hit single career she had in the past is over. But now she has an established credibility and the power pursue new endevors without the pressure to prove herself. Instead, she chooses to coast on the past, becoming an interpreter of her past, or worse, a parody.

Oh SNAP!!!:laugh:

strandinthewind 08-01-2007 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackWidow (Post 707803)
Oh SNAP!!!:laugh:

Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets :shrug:

JazmenFlowers 08-01-2007 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 707782)
Yeah, but that is a bunch of bull!

I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

BlackWidow 08-01-2007 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind (Post 707805)
Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets :shrug:

You should pose that question to Penguinhead.

strandinthewind 08-01-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackWidow (Post 707808)
You should pose that question to Penguinhead.

And not his peanut gallery :wavey:

But, I herein submit it to PH as well.

JazmenFlowers 08-01-2007 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind (Post 707805)
Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets :shrug:

apples and oranges.

oh look, a pun. :laugh:

BlackWidow 08-01-2007 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers (Post 707807)
I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

I would agree with that.

BlackWidow 08-01-2007 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind (Post 707810)
And not his peanut gallery :wavey:

But, I herein submit it to PH as well.

you.funny.honey.:wavey:

strandinthewind 08-01-2007 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers (Post 707807)
I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

But, the fact remains that her shows sell and sell well for an almost 60 year old artist who has not had a hit in a decade, despite several media blitzs and critical acclaim. I mean of her peers, she stands the tallest and her star shines the brightest - save for The Eagles and The Stones - and those are groups. I think La Nicks concert sales are better than Heart and all the others. So, her formula is working and people are pleased with her shows, which are about 8/14 commercial hits:

Outside The Rain (never a single)
Dreams (hit)
Rhiannon (hit)
Sorcerer (minor hit)
HSML (never a single)
Stand Back (hit)
If Anyone Falls (hit)
Stop Draggin (hit)
Gold Dust Woman (never a single)
Fall From Grace (never a single)
Landslide (hit)
Edge Of 17 (hit)
R&R (cover and not a hit - though she missed her chance to release it)
B&B (never a single)

In the end, I certainly wish she would change it up a bit and at least replace the non-hits with other non-hits -- but calling her out of touch or unpleasing to the fans is unsupported by the success of her solo shows. I think it is important to remember that the average fan (and there are way more of those than of us) wants to hear hits. So, I think her marketing is directly relevant to her audience.

Again, I think she whould change the set list dramatically, but I get why she does not. I think I would be scared to lose my audience as well, especially an audience that at my age is, at best, fickle.

Phoenix 08-01-2007 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 707474)
She gets a B for effort. She still soldiers on, albeit, sometimes on autopilot.

She gets an A for appearance. Hello, boots, anyone?

She gets an F for the setlist.

She gets a B for singing. She sounded great live, but sounded terrible on her TV appearances.

The band gets an A-. I missed Taku, but Lenny is pretty great in his own right, and I'm so, so, so glad that she finally ditched that hack Brett Tuggle. :nod: Waddy rocks harder than ever!

FINAL GRADE: B

I agree with U compleetly. The boots, Lori bieng back, and her preformances of "How still My love" sealed it for me. and yeah, whos the new guy on the keyboards? he really does help to fill out the sound nicely. But yeah: B

strandinthewind 08-01-2007 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers (Post 707811)
apples and oranges . . . .

Not really when you consider she wants to reach, for whatever reason, the largest audience possible with her live show. if she played all non hits, the attendence might go down and certainly the next time she came in town, the average fan might think twice about seeing her. So, she keeps selling that basket as unchanged as she can make it. But, she does still change it.


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