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Musicman408 04-28-2007 05:31 PM

Gas Prices.... Completely Outrageous!!! How Much Are They Where You Are???
 
Who is with me when it comes to rediculous gas prices. Oil is not at a going rate that would warrent the 2.99 price in my hometown. It is rediculous. I was thinking that Democrats would do something about it, and it only seems to have gotten worse.

What do you all think? What does gas run in your area?

Much Love,
Ethan

carrie721 04-28-2007 05:53 PM

do you drive :confused: :laugh:

Musicman408 04-28-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721 (Post 683800)
do you drive :confused: :laugh:

Well I did pre-surgery and it hasn't been 6 weeks yet.:laugh:

Plus, it hurts me to see people, including my parent pay these rediculous prices.:nod:

carrie721 04-28-2007 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicman408 (Post 683801)
Well I did pre-surgery and it hasn't been 6 weeks yet.:laugh:

Plus, it hurts me to see people, including my parent pay these rediculous prices.:nod:

yeah, i just try to remember that our neighbor canada pays almost $5/gallon, and other countries pay more. so i dunno if $3/gallon is completely outrageous.

mikeschmike 04-28-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721 (Post 683802)
yeah, i just try to remember that our neighbor canada pays almost $5/gallon, and other countries pay more. so i dunno if $3/gallon is completely outrageous.

Poor Canada. It already has to deal with that BARBARIC metric system and now this?

Completely ridiculous.

carrie721 04-28-2007 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeschmike (Post 683805)
Poor Canada. It already has to deal with that BARBARIC metric system and now this?

Completely ridiculous.

i know, it's actually like 1.20 a litRE or some ****. wtf? :laugh:

bretonbanquet 04-28-2007 06:10 PM

Well over $7 per US gallon here - get over it :)

carrie721 04-28-2007 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bretonbanquet (Post 683807)
Well over $7 per US gallon here - get over it :)

:laugh: i was wondering if you'd chime in. for someone who drives as much as you do that must be killer. :mad:

Gypsy-Rhiannon 04-28-2007 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bretonbanquet (Post 683807)
Well over $7 per US gallon here - get over it :)

Was about to post but you beat me to it!

bretonbanquet 04-28-2007 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon (Post 683809)
Was about to post but you beat me to it!

You couldn't resist it either, huh? :laugh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrie721 (Post 683808)
:laugh: i was wondering if you'd chime in. for someone who drives as much as you do that must be killer. :mad:

yeah I spend around $200 a week on gas :shrug:

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:14 PM

considering that Chevron Oil, the biggest supplier of Oil for America, just posted an 18% profit increase for the first quarter--based SOLELY on gouging the American public, I think Ethan's outrage is well-placed.

We cant compare our gas prices with other countries (sorry Canada and Britain)
because their monetary systems are different than ours. like twice as much. pretty hard to make a fair comparison


ETA: California is paying the highest prices in the Nation. Well over $3/gallon.

bretonbanquet 04-28-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683811)
considering that Chevron Oil, the biggest supplier of Oil for America, just posted an 18% profit increase for the first quarter--based SOLELY on gouging the American public, I think Ethan's outrage is well-placed.

We cant compare our gas prices with other countries (sorry Canada and Britain)
because their monetary systems are different than ours. like twice as much.

So: at that logic, US consumers would be paying $6 at the pump. still much higher than Canada or Britain........

That's just crap :shrug:

carrie721 04-28-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bretonbanquet (Post 683810)
yeah I spend around $200 a week on gas :shrug:

effing bat**** crazy.

77Rumours77 04-28-2007 06:16 PM

$2.89 - Of course I have to drive an old buick that gets a whole whopping 15mpg! Plus with a 14 gallon tank, it cost me around $43 dollars to fill up to ONLY get 210 miles on a tank..... Yea and I have to drive 50 miles to and from school twice a week... theres 100 miles.


Yea, I need a new car!

mikeschmike 04-28-2007 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721 (Post 683814)
effing bat**** crazy.

Agreed.

Speaking of which, the $6-7/per gallon price in Europe is figured in adjusted US red white and blue dollars.

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bretonbanquet (Post 683813)
That's just crap :shrug:

how so??? please elaborate.

carrie721 04-28-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeschmike (Post 683817)
Agreed.

Speaking of which, the $6-7/per gallon price in Europe is figured in adjusted US red white and blue dollars.

i thought our dollars were green :confused: :confused: :confused:

mikeschmike 04-28-2007 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721 (Post 683819)
i thought our dollars were green :confused: :confused: :confused:

Somebody BAN this terrorist!

*runs to local Homeland Security branch*

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeschmike (Post 683817)
Agreed.

Speaking of which, the $6-7/per gallon price in Europe is figured in adjusted US red white and blue dollars.

if true, then thats truly heinous. However, It makes my blood boil when Chevron and other Oil Cartels gouge consumers just to make a profit. I mean, in this country they're supposed to be regulated. There are supposed to be safeguards. I guess they're taking a nap.

bretonbanquet 04-28-2007 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683818)
how so??? please elaborate.

You said our monetary systems are different. Which is relevant how? Our fuel costs over $7 a US gallon - in your money. Theres your fair comparison. Well over twice what you guys pay. If we earned well over twice what you earn, then fair enough, but we don't.

carrie721 04-28-2007 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeschmike (Post 683821)
Somebody BAN this terrorist!

*runs to local Homeland Security branch*

:(

i never should've told my name was carrie bin laden.

Gypsy-Rhiannon 04-28-2007 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683822)
if true, then thats truly heinous.

It is true

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:27 PM

also: I think it IS significant that the dollar is only worth about HALF of the British Pound Sterling, which (as far as I can tell) makes our basic outlay on either side of the pond about the same. If Europe is paying twice as much but their money is twice as valuable, then effectively we are paying the same.

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bretonbanquet (Post 683823)
You said our monetary systems are different. Which is relevant how? Our fuel costs over $7 a US gallon - in your money. Theres your fair comparison. Well over twice what you guys pay. If we earned well over twice what you earn, then fair enough, but we don't.

I think it would be helpful to see a graphic.

mikeschmike 04-28-2007 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683826)
also: I think it IS significant that the dollar is only worth about HALF of the British Pound Sterling, which (as far as I can tell) makes our basic outlay on either side of the pond about the same. If Europe is paying twice as much but their money is twice as valuable, then effectively we are paying the same.

That doesn't really effect the individual consumer. Perhaps US and UK petroleum buyers are paying the same, but it doesn't really "trickle down" to the guy at the pump.

estranged4life 04-28-2007 06:32 PM

Well...
 
gas is $2.75 a gallon here, and ya know what, who cares....

I knew the prices would climb, and since we have no choice, we still have to drive (Well Deb does actually) an average 900 miles every 2 weeks for work.

We dont bitch about it - we just accept it (Our new used car, a 2000 Ford Escort, gets the same gas milage as the Nissan did, about 35 miles a gallon)

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:34 PM

I found an old article (or at least only partially true since CA is paying well over $3/gal at the pump).....anyway, I can see why Europe is hurting....that really sucks you guys..

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Gas prices too high? Try Europe.
$7 a gallon? That's what drivers in Amsterdam pay. But Europeans have long adapted to high prices.
By Peter Ford | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
PARIS – When Guy Colombier pulls his economy car up to a Paris pump, he allows himself just 15 Euros ($18) worth of gas - barely enough for three gallons. Since prices started rising rapidly earlier this year, says Mr. Colombier, a printing press worker, "I drive a lot more slowly ... and I'm looking for a place to live closer to where I work."

Colombier's pain is shared by drivers all over Europe, where fuel prices are the highest in the world: a gallon of gas in Amsterdam now costs $7.13, compared with just $2.61 in America. The contrast in prices and environmental policies - and the dramatically different behaviors they inspire - signals a widening transatlantic energy gap. And it raises the question: Does Europe offer America a glimpse of its future?
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Indeed, while Europeans have learned to cope with expensive fuel (mostly due to taxes), there's scant evidence yet that US drivers are adopting their conservation tactics.

"Societies adjust over decades to higher fuel prices," says Jos Dings, head of Transport and Energy, a coalition of European environmental NGOs. "They find many mechanisms."

Chief among them, say experts, is the habit of driving smaller and more fuel-efficient cars. While the average light duty vehicle on US highways gets 21.6 miles per gallon (m.p.g.), according to a study by the Paris based International Energy Agency (IEA), in Paris, its European counterpart manages 32.1 m.p.g.

"European consumers are very sensitive to fuel economy and sophisticated about engine options," says Lew Fulton, a transport analyst with the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP). "European car magazines are full of comparisons of fuel costs over the life of a vehicle."

Europe's cars: 40 percent are diesel

That approach has given a special boost to diesel cars, which make up more than 40 percent of European car sales, compared with just 4 percent in the US.

Just ahead of Colombier in the line at the gas station Thursday was Nicole Marie, a high school teacher, who was using her husband's diesel Audi, rather than her own gasoline-powered car, to take her daughter to Normandy for a final week of vacation by the sea.

"I only use my car in town," she says. "We bought a diesel car deliberately because it is cheaper to run."

That is partly because the French government encourages the use of more- efficient diesel fuel by taxing it less heavily. Only in four European countries is diesel more expensive than gasoline, the way it is in America.

But efficiency alone does not explain the huge disparity between fuel-use figures on either side of the Atlantic: European per capita consumption of gas and diesel stood at 286 liters a year in 2001, compared to 1,624 in the US, according to IEA figures.

The nature of cities plays a role, too. "America has built its entire society around the car, which enabled suburbs," points out Mr. Dings. "European cities have denser centers where cars are often not practical."

In Paris, for example, about half the trips people make are by foot, by bicycle, or on public transport, says UNEP's Mr. Fulton. In America, that figure is more like 20 percent.

Impact of fuel tax

"The single most effective measure" that has brought down motorists' fuel use in Europe, however, is taxation, says Dings.

On average, 60 percent of the price European drivers pay at the pump goes to their governments in taxes.

In Britain, the government takes 75 percent, and raises taxes by 5 percent above inflation every year (though it has forgone this year's rise in view of rocketing oil prices, and the French government has promised tax rebates this year to taxi drivers, truckers, fishermen, and others who depend heavily on gasoline.) On August 8, for example, the price of gas in the US, without taxes, would be $2.17, instead of $2.56; in Britain, it would be $1.97, instead of $6.06.

"There is really good evidence that higher prices reduce traffic," says Stephen Glaister, a professor of transportation at London's Imperial College. "If fuel prices go up 10 percent ... fuel consumed goes down by about 7 percent, as people start to use fuel more efficiently, not accelerating so aggressively and switching to more fuel-efficient cars. It does change people's behavior."

The US authorities, however, "are unwilling to use resource price as part of their strategy" to conserve oil, says Lee Schipper, head of transportation research at the Washington-based World Resources Institute, an environmental think tank.

"The biggest hole in our policy today is fuel taxation," he adds. "Tax increases are something Americans should do but don't know how to do, and I wonder if they will ever be able to.

"Consumers want muscle cars, manufacturers say they make what the consumer wants, and the government panders to both constituencies," Mr. Schipper continues. "It's a vicious cycle."

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EASY DOES IT: An attendant pumped gasoline in downtown Milan, Italy, earlier this month. In many European cities, gas costs more than twice as much as in America.
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Europeans may drive smaller cars, but there are few signs that the current record gas prices are making them drive less.

Germans who live close to the Czech Republic can drive across the border to take advantage of the lowest prices in Europe, but most people "cannot react to [the prices] because they still need to drive a lot," says Jürgen Albrecht, an official with Germany's largest auto club, the ADAC. "I can't say I'm not going to drive the 50 kilometers [31 miles] to work because of the high gas prices. It doesn't work that way."

"Most people have no alternative, particularly those who live in rural areas," says Paul Hodgson of the RAC, the British motoring association. "A lot of motorists tell us that if there was a decent and affordable public transport system they would use that ... but we are still a long way from having an alternative."

Prices vary widely across Europe. The Greeks, for example, are getting off comparatively lightly, with just $4.32 a gallon. But they're not exactly celebrating.

On the Greek isles, where almost everything comes in by boat, residents are hit even harder by rising fuel prices. "Whatever you do, it all comes back to gasoline," huffs Dimitra Vogiatzi, who sells produce on the far-flung island of Patmos, as she slams closed her massive ledger.

Ms. Vogiatzi has been obliged to raise her prices, and more and more of her customers are buying on credit, she complains. "Imagine if we need a doctor, or someone has to have a baby," she adds. "All the boat fares, coming and going - isn't that gasoline?"



' There is really good evidence that higher prices reduce traffic.'

Stephen Glaister, a professor of transportation at London's Imperial College



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Though shipping costs in the Aegean may remain high, European Union regulations are forcing vehicle manufacturers to make their products even more efficient than they already are.

Though their primary motivation is to reduce CO2 emissions, in line with targets set by the Kyoto Protocol, bio-fuel and hybrid cars are still so rare that increased fuel efficiency is the fastest route to lower emissions, says Dolf Gielen, an expert at the IEA.

CO2 emissions from new European cars fell by 12 percent from 1995 to 2003, according to Mr. Gielen, and manufacturers have voluntarily pledged to reduce them by a further 14 per cent by 2008, he adds.

European governments are proposing tax breaks to encourage motorists to take advantage of these possibilities. Belgian drivers who buy a low-emissions vehicle get a 15 percent price rebate; Spain cuts $865 from the cost of registering a car if it replaces a car using leaded gas more than 10 years old; Hungary waives registration tax for hybrid cars.

End of the road for SUVs?

Though US vehicles' fuel efficiency has improved greatly over the past 30 years, overall consumption has risen in the past decade because consumers and manufacturers have used the leeway offered by the new technology to buy and build bigger and more powerful vehicles, experts say.

Environmentalists wonder whether the current price spike in gas prices might lead to a lasting change in US behavior. "The exciting thing now is that we are almost at the real high point of prices in 1981," says Mr. Schipper. "We'll see if American manufacturers, authorities, and drivers realize that these prices may now be locked in."

"Sales of big SUVs have been dropping in the last few months," points out Fulton. "We are now at the point where people believe this is real and they are reacting. The longer it goes on, the more they will react."

• Mark Rice-Oxley in London, Andreas Tzortzis in Berlin, and John Thorne in Patmos contributed to this article.
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SOURCE: AN AND SAUER, 2004, FOR THE PEW CENTER ON GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE; SCOTT WALLACE - STAFF

bretonbanquet 04-28-2007 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683826)
also: I think it IS significant that the dollar is only worth about HALF of the British Pound Sterling, which (as far as I can tell) makes our basic outlay on either side of the pond about the same. If Europe is paying twice as much but their money is twice as valuable, then effectively we are paying the same.

That woud be true if we earned twice what you guys earn. But we don't, not anything like it. Don't you see that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683827)
I think it would be helpful to see a graphic.

I'm fresh out of graphics :shrug:

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:35 PM

here's another...

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FRANKFURT, Aug. 31 - Tiziano Colombo, an engineer from Milan, hit the road this summer, driving with his wife and in-laws in a rented van through Austria, Germany, Belgium, Holland and France.
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A driver fills his tank in France, where the base price of gasoline is higher than in the United States.

With oil prices rising during his two-week vacation, Mr. Colombo spent $670 on diesel to fill his Ford Transit. By his arithmetic, it was still cheaper than buying train tickets for four people. The cost of traveling by car would have to nearly double, he said, before he would consider switching.

"The car is freedom, and freedom is what we were after," Mr. Colombo, 53, said, sounding like an American. "Obviously, if I was doing this trip by myself, you'd have a hard time justifying the extra cost."

Soaring oil prices have begun to rattle Europeans, just as they have Americans, with the disruption of oil production in the United States by Hurricane Katrina driving gasoline prices in Europe to new records as well.

But the reaction of Europeans has been less dramatic because of the higher base price of fuel, the strength of the euro against the dollar and Europe's three-decade search for alternatives to fossil fuels, which has made it a bit less vulnerable to spikes in the price of crude oil.

DrummerDeanna 04-28-2007 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon (Post 683825)
It is true

I want proof. I'm going to need to see some credit card/debit card reciepts, Pip ;)

Gas prices, they're going to gouge us this summer for sure...but there's nothing we can do but continue to take it in the ass...or buy a bike...but some people live in places where biking everywhere is not feasible..hmm...like HERE! Horrible public tranport and sprawling...no bike.

And I'm sorry..pet peeve alert...Ethan it rIdiculous, not rediculous. I just thought I'd let you know. :nod:

mikeschmike 04-28-2007 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683832)
here's another...

that's good, although WE didn't need convincing. :laugh:

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bretonbanquet (Post 683823)
You said our monetary systems are different. Which is relevant how? Our fuel costs over $7 a US gallon - in your money. Theres your fair comparison. Well over twice what you guys pay. If we earned well over twice what you earn, then fair enough, but we don't.

um, you do, or close to it. compare the pound to the dollar. Last I heard, the Pound = $1.40 or somesuch....the Pound is worth more.

Gypsy-Rhiannon 04-28-2007 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna (Post 683833)
I want proof. I'm going to need to see some credit card/debit card reciepts, Pip ;)

Gas prices, they're going to gouge us this summer for sure...but there's nothing we can do but continue to take it in the ass...or buy a bike...but some people live in places where biking everywhere is not feasible..hmm...like HERE! Horrible public tranport and sprawling...no bike.

And I'm sorry..pet peeve alert...Ethan it rIdiculous, not rediculous. I just thought I'd let you know. :nod:

I have plenty of receipts stuffed in my purse! I filled up my Beetle the other day and it cost me around £45!

Oh and I'm glad someone else was bugged by the spelling... thought I was just being anal!

DrummerDeanna 04-28-2007 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon (Post 683837)
I have plenty of receipts stuffed in my purse! I filled up my Beetle the other day and it cost me around £45!

Oh and I'm glad someone else was bugged by the spelling... thought I was just being anal!

No..it bugs me every. single. time. (and when anyone does it before I get accused to picking on Ethan alone) :laugh: So I thought I'd point it out.

Geez...I'm floored that it cost that much to fill a Beetle...holy damn!

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon (Post 683837)
I have plenty of receipts stuffed in my purse! I filled up my Beetle the other day and it cost me around £45!

Oh and I'm glad someone else was bugged by the spelling... thought I was just being anal!

out of curiosity, how long will that last you? in other words how many miles to the gallon/litre do you get?

I get maybe 15 mpg and have to fill up every 4 days. My son's visitation schedule makes it like another work week in a weekend so my gas bill is at least 350 to 400 $$$/mo at LEAST.

bretonbanquet 04-28-2007 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683836)
um, you do, or close to it. compare the pound to the dollar. Last I heard, the Pound = $1.40 or somesuch....the Pound is worth more.

You need to check more often - the pound is worth $2... how you think that means we earn twice what you earn, in real terms, I have NO idea. But you carry on, huh? :)

estranged4life 04-28-2007 06:43 PM

True...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna (Post 683833)
but there's nothing we can do but continue to take it in the ass...or buy a bike...but some people live in places where biking everywhere is not feasible..hmm...like HERE! Horrible public tranport and sprawling...no bike.

we live in an area (Caddo County is one of the poorest counties of the 77 in Oklahoma) where the closest town with ANY employment is 45 miles away, so we have no choice but to suck it up.

We dont bitch about it like most, we just deal with it (Which is why we opted for another small sedan sized car)

Personally I prefer to cut back on food purchases, as opposed to say, MUSIC purchases during the gas price hikes :thumbsup:

Oh, by the way - A refinery in Wynnewood is burning - so get prepared for more ass gouging, I meant Gas gouging!

Gypsy-Rhiannon 04-28-2007 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl (Post 683839)
out of curiosity, how long will that last you? in other words how many miles to the gallon/litre do you get?

I get maybe 15 mpg and have to fill up every 4 days. My son's visitation schedule makes it like another work week in a weekend so my gas bill is at least 350 to 400 $$$/mo at LEAST.

Hmmm... I have no clue to be honest. I just fill up when it tells me I need to! I do know I fill up every couple of weeks and that's just from running around town and ferrying the kids to school

irishgrl 04-28-2007 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bretonbanquet (Post 683840)
You need to check more often - the pound is worth $2... how you think that means we earn twice what you earn, in real terms, I have NO idea. But you carry on, huh? :)

so, ok if you earn twice as much and pay twice as much, I guess we're even. simple.

Gypsy-Rhiannon 04-28-2007 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life (Post 683841)
we live in an area (Caddo County is one of the poorest counties of the 77 in Oklahoma) where the closest town with ANY employment is 45 miles away, so we have no choice but to suck it up.

We dont bitch about it like most, we just deal with it (Which is why we opted for another small sedan sized car)

It does make me chuckle how this type of thread pops up over and over again on here. Usually started by someone in the US moaning about the price of gas and then us Brits pipe up how much we pay.... and on it goes.....


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