Do you believe?
 

After weeks of X-Files marathons, UFO Documentaries on the History Channel and finally the viewing of Signs (I'd never seen it). I've really become interested anew in U.F.O.s

As a kid I was obsessed, checked out all books available on U.F.O.s etc.

I have always believed they're out there. But then I start thinking, if they've been around since before recorded history why do we STILL have no hard evidence? Nothing concrete that proves they exsist....

"I want to believe"

So...thoughts? Do you believe in UFOs?

Discuss....

What makes you think that the entire species called "Homo Sapien" ISN'T of extraterrestrial origin?

You know, that's something I've actually been thinking a lot about lately...so I don't think that is out of the realm of possibility...but there is still no concrete proof :shrug:

Oh and I forgot another question....Have any of you ever SEEN a UFO?

I live 30 miles...
 

from a hotbed for UFO's, Burns Flats, OK.

At night if you head west of Cordell, OK on a clear night you can see strange lights in the sky very clearly. They appear especially bright during the summer nights. They are not weather ballons or city lights refracting from the heat of the ground into the sky.

The former US Air Force base at Burns Flats refuse to say what those objects in the sky are.

Kinda funny that Burns Flats has already been designated as a future space port by NASA, and may very soon be a launch site for newer technologies of space travel that will replace the space shuttle fleet.

Still, Noone knows what is in the skies at night :shrug:

I saw two of them once over a field. They would appear in different locations in the sky very quickly and then finally disappeared after like, 5 minutes. They deff were not airplanes, as they had a weird white/yellow fuzzy glow around them and they were totally round. It was kind of fun actually. :p

Of course! I believe in ghosts and everything else, so why not aliens & UFOs?

INteresting..and it brings up a whole other question...what the hell the government and/or military are doing that we know absolutely nothing about!



Oooh that is fun. I say that, but if I saw one I'm sure I'd wet myself. I thought I saw one once...I came outside and saw three lights circling one another in the sky...as I was having a heart attack I realized that a) I was drunk and b) they were actually search lights :laugh:

I don't know if I believe in UFOs, but I do believe that the universe is much bigger than we can probably fathom at this moment (and maybe ours isn't even the only universe), and that there is certainly some form of life in other universes/parts of our own universe.

As for why we have no hard evidence - if we don't have the capability of traveling to these other worlds yet, what makes us think anyone else does? They could all be back in the stone age, or they may very well know all about us, but think we're too crazy to mess with. :shrug:

Of course...
 

the government wont tell us anything, Hell even Slick Willy Clinton signed a statement saying Area 51 "does not exist".

My brother-in-law works on the F22 as a 'defense weapons expert', so he is 'hush-hush' (When I talk to my sister occassionally the govt. records/listens in on our conversations) on any and all pertaining to that technology.



As for me, Here's my proof UFO's/Aliens exist:



Hey, if Steve Vai can have an alien on his album artwork and have the same alien (Along with his UFO flying alien friends) sing backup on his song "Little Green Men" who am I to question if they exist or not? :shrug: :lol:

Me too! I've always been a believer..in ghosts, ufos etc...


Oh I definitely think the universe is so much bigger than we fathom. I've always thought it quite arrogant of humans to be so certain that there was no other life out there...how would they know!?!

And I take some UFOs to be craft from other worlds...but with that, then maybe they're so stealthy they don't leave evidence? I don't know...but I do believe there is life out there...

"and now they've gone back up to space, where they won't have to hassle with the human race" :p

After 12 years of watching X-Files I've still not become 'a believer'. That is, if you're strictly asking about aliens and UFO's visiting this earth. There might be other life forces out there, I just don't believe they've ever tried to visit our planet. I can't for the life of me think of a reason why (and don't start with this colonization stuff! :laugh: ) and I'd like to believe that if they can find us, we should be able to find them also...and we haven't.

Deanna, I hate to put in a Sidney Sheldon plug here, but if you are feeling the alien vibe at the moment, I would HIGHLY and I mean HIGHLY reccomment "The Doomsday Conspiracy".:nod: It is very good, and like I said, if you are feeling this whole alien thing, I would definately give it a go.:nod:

Hopy yall are well and Very interesting topic. I've been thinking about it too.:nod:
Much Love,
Ethan

I even held a seance once, and I think it kindasorta worked. I felt something, that's for sure, but I haven't done one since. That was a long-ass time ago. I was so scared after. :lol:

I think there's a big difference. :shrug:

They're all part of the paranormal, yeah? :shrug: Anything other-worldly has always fascinated me.

I dont believe in them persay, but I believe in the possibility of them considering the vastness of the universe.

Right...I think they're all part of the "paranormal"

And I don't think that if they can find us we can find them, especially if they're superior to us in intelligence...:shrug:

Also - if they created the human race, they'd have a reason to come and visit - and look :p

I never did a sceance or ouija board type thing, I wasn't allowed as a kid - was told they're "satanic". But I had a couple of ghostly experiences that left me believing in the spirit world.

heh, well, no one really knew I was holding one. It was at my grandma's with some neighbourhood kids, and one of the girls suggested it. We went up and did it in the attic... While we were up there the lights went off. We were all miles away from the switch, and everyone else in the house was downstairs. :confused: Aside from that, I've had a few experiences, too. I used to see auras around people all the time, and had premonitions. Doesn't happen too much anymore.

I guess they are, if only because both have not been scientifically proven. I just put them in another category I guess. I do believe in ghosts in a way, I would never discount any paranormal occurance, I believe there is something to be said about a lot of things. And as I said, I can concur with there being other beings in the universe, I just think that all these supposed UFO sightings and abduction stories are all a bunch of boohocky. I don't think they've ever visited this planet.

You're wrong- I think they've not only visited the Earth, but also The Ledge :p

Well, who's to say they are?

Didn't God create the human race? Or wait, God was actually extraterrestrial right? That's why human genetics and texts from every major religion were found on an artifact that was deriven from a spaceship found on the African Coast right? :laugh:

Never dabble into that. Scary stuff.

Now that I could agree on. :laugh:

Who's to say they're not?

Well there's no concret proof of God either :shrug:

And actually, I saw a show on the History Channel this weekend that had themes scarily close to that X-Files episode :laugh: But anyway, it was a show about how some of the things in the Bible are actually encounters with extra terrestials. Sounds completely kooky, right?

But the interesting point is there's as much proof for that as there is for God Himself. It was just an intersting point of view that got me thinking, though I'm a believer first and foremost in God.

My sister did Ouija with one of my cousins, her story was scary, so that alone made me never want to try it - now I just am not really interested in contacting the dead, so I don't see myself ever dabbling in it.

Exactly my point. Nobody knows, so whenever someone says they can visit because they have a higher intelligence it's all speculation. And why would they need a higher intelligence to visit? To build better spacecrafts that can travel billions of light years? Is the universe really bigger than the planets we know of? So many questions... :p

No, there's no concreet proof of God. And I don't believe in God. I find those theories you mentioned mighty interesting, however kooky they may sound. I don't think it's any less or more kooky than believing in God. Me? I'm with Darwin here as far as the creation of mankind goes. We all started out as teeny tiny atoms.

Exactly....I was watching that show at the gym, there was a guy on a treadmill getting visibly annoyed at the statements that the things in the Bible happened exactly as he thinks they did.

That got me thinking, well why is THIS theory and different than yours? Why is believe in extra terrestials any odder than believing in God? So that's what I've been thinking about for a few days...hence the thread.


Me? As I've stated before I've always been a big believer in everything...even good old Nessy :p

Not sure what I think about that. Buddhism teaches that there are spiritual realms (heavens, hells, ghostly realms, etc), but it's something I take kind of an agnostic view on. Kind of. I personally have never had any experiences with that sort of thing, but that's not to say I would necessarily find other people's experiences unbelievable.

Interesting. I don't know how I'd feel about it had I not had experience myself...or heard from family folklore other stories of family members.

There is always the theory that we WANT to believe and can stretch/mold things to fit those beliefs..but there are some thing so unbelievable, so unexplainable that I don't fully buy that.

That said, I find myself more of a skeptic (though I'm not sounding like it here) than I was when I was younger..maybe it's something that just naturally comes with age? I don't know...but I still find it all so very fascinating.

I can think about these things for days also. And discuss them. :lol: You know really, if you think about it, God is a paranormal thing also. It has never been scientifically proven that he exists, yet religion is so much a part of our society that nobody gives it a second thought. I never condemn someone for believing in God, because everybody is entitled to believe what they want to, but it's really hypocritical for someone that believes in God to condemn someone that doesn't, and might believe in something else. Ultimately faith is faith, whether you believe in a universal being or in a bottle of milk. As I said, one believe is not more or less kooky than the other and I am open to all kinds of different theories, until the correct one will be presented to me with scientific facts. Right now, the Big Bang theory wins in that category, and it's something I can most easily wrap my mind around. Faith is nice and all, but in this day and age, it's a little outdated. Gods were created in times when people really had no clue and had to attribute a lot of incidents and happenstances to something or someone. Heck, for the longest time they thought they earth was flat. So, I really blame it on ignorance. :p

That's really not a name you should mention around me. :lol: My parents used to call me Nessie when I was little, and many people found that the funniest thing ever...obviously.

if you're feeling the alien vibe i strongly suggest calling mulder & scully immediately.

I would call in AD Skinner. For alien vibes or plumbing problems.

i'm sure he'd get his snake out for you.

Or just Scully. :shrug: I don't want no man gettin' all in my ****.

I'd rather call Constantine.

as for believing, I totally believe in all things paranormal. I've never experienced anything myself tho...

*All* things?

None of this is stuff that occupies a large portion of my thoughts. And I definitely put it in a different category from religion (which I don't define as narrowly as some people do, evidently).

I definitely don't put this stuff in the same pot as religion either. I hope that's not how I came across, but that's not my intention. Religion, to me, is such a personal thing...rather faith is...but I don't group it with the paranormal, though interestingly enough three of the things unexplainable things I've experienced have been related to religion...

ITA. I think it's totally unreasonable and arrogant to think that, of all the planets in the universe, only one is capable of supporting intelligent life.

However, I'm not convinced that said lifeforms have actually visited earth.

Agreed. I did dabble as a teenager and some scary **** happened. I know I would never try it again

I don't either, really, it's just that if you look strictly at the facts, God and everything that goes along with it is just as unexplained as any other theory or believe. As in...there are no facts. But as I said, it's such a large part of our society that nobody sees it that way. It has become a fact. Just like with any other thing that the majority of a group believes in. :shrug:

You can believe God created mankind, you can believe aliens did it, you can believe they did it together or you can believe that it all started with the Big Bang and we evolved from that. It's all really a matter of opinion. I don't think that's narrow minded on my side. It's actually very open minded. I am open to all kinds of different theories.

Oh, no, I didn't mean you. :)

That's not what I meant, exactly. I was taking issue with equating religion with creation myths (which not all religions even have, btw), when they are really very peripheral, IMO (again, in the religions that have them).

that's just a sign of my laziness in responding to the question. I guess what I should have said is that I don't rule out much of anything as not possible.

I mean, if you come to me with stories about the creature from the Black Lagoon, I'd probably think you're a little nutty. I try to take each "idea" and think about it.

but yeah, I don't sit around pondering these things either. and as for religion, lawd, don't even get me started on that.