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#1LiddyBuckFan 02-14-2007 12:18 PM

Lindsey's Inspired Solos
 
Since this is being discussed here and there...

What is your favorite or most memorable Lindsey solo (from ANY time period)?

Mine falls under memorable because picking my favorite is too difficult. :laugh: The first time I was able to see FM live was in 2003, he really sent me to my knees with his Come solo. I have seen plenty of performances from the 70s on of FM on DVD, but live is, as everyone knows, totally different. Not many people there knew that song at the time because it was just released (obviously not huge Buckingham/GOS fans) and by the time he was done everyone was on their feet cheering. He blew everyone away with that song.

Sarah 02-14-2007 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by #1LiddyBuckFan (Post 646588)
Mine falls under memorable because picking my favorite is too difficult. :laugh: The first time I was able to see FM live was in 2003, he really sent me to my knees with his Come solo. I have seen plenty of performances from the 70s on of FM on DVD, but live is, as everyone knows, totally different. Not many people there knew that song at the time because it was just released (obviously not huge Buckingham/GOS fans) and by the time he was done everyone was on their feet cheering. He blew everyone away with that song.

I can't say the Come solo is my favorite, but my 2nd SYW show was the same way, excitement-wise. I knew it was coming, so I just stayed on my feet through the entire first part . Lots of people around me were sitting, but I figured they'd just be standing up in a minute anyway, so I didn't bother sitting down to get out of their view. :laugh:

mylittledemon 02-14-2007 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah (Post 646639)
I can't say the Come solo is my favorite, but my 2nd SYW show was the same way, excitement-wise. I knew it was coming, so I just stayed on my feet through the entire first part . Lots of people around me were sitting, but I figured they'd just be standing up in a minute anyway, so I didn't bother sitting down to get out of their view. :laugh:

I havent seen the Dance tour...but on the Dance DVD the solo at the end of "I'm So Afraid" still gets me. I love the tone on that.

Little Nicki 02-14-2007 02:37 PM

Speaking of tone, the solo and the end (and middle) of Running Through the Garden is just a gorgeous sound. And I don't know how the hell he plays so fast and accurately on it, since outside of Say You Will he's never done that, but it's quite a powerful solo.

#1LiddyBuckFan 02-14-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon (Post 646656)
I havent seen the Dance tour...but on the Dance DVD the solo at the end of "I'm So Afraid" still gets me. I love the tone on that.

That is a phenomenal performance of that song.

BTFLCHLD 02-14-2007 03:04 PM

F-YA I do miss come. :woohoo:

chiliD 02-14-2007 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Nicki (Post 646665)
Speaking of tone, the solo and the end (and middle) of Running Through the Garden is just a gorgeous sound. And I don't know how the hell he plays so fast and accurately on it, since outside of Say You Will he's never done that, but it's quite a powerful solo.

His tone sounds like a mosquito on acid to me. Anybody can sound fast when they slow the tape down, play the solo, then play it back at normal speed. (same thing he did on "This Is The Time" & "Play In The Rain")

My fave solo of his is on "Isn't It Midnight".

Little Nicki 02-14-2007 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 646747)
His tone sounds like a mosquito on acid to me. Anybody can sound fast when they slow the tape down, play the solo, then play it back at normal speed. (same thing he did on "This Is The Time" & "Play In The Rain")

I figured it was that, but it doesn't sound as tinny and obviously sped up as his usual sped up solos. Though I believe he plays notes higher than the guitar can hit, so that should have tipped me off.

mylittledemon 02-14-2007 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Nicki (Post 646665)
Speaking of tone, the solo and the end (and middle) of Running Through the Garden is just a gorgeous sound. And I don't know how the hell he plays so fast and accurately on it, since outside of Say You Will he's never done that, but it's quite a powerful solo.

Sounds like a trick with the tape speed. Good solo though.

I like the solos he did on the Tango in the Night album.

Peestie 02-14-2007 08:38 PM

I really like the tone he got in RTTG from speeding the tap up. I also really like the tone (noise? lol) of the Murrow solo. It just sounds so busy. The speeding up solos thing there is cool. The tone on Come isn't as good as his non-sped up tone though.

seteca 02-15-2007 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Peestie (Post 646990)
I really like the tone he got in RTTG from speeding the tap up. I also really like the tone (noise? lol) of the Murrow solo. It just sounds so busy. The speeding up solos thing there is cool. The tone on Come isn't as good as his non-sped up tone though.

Yea the solo on Come has definitely been sped up. If you're really interested (which I'm sure you're not!:)) you can find a thread from a couple of years ago in which I explained why I'm sure it is.

It's really obvious when solos are significantly sped up because speeding up a musical instrument is similar to speeding up the video of a moving car - the car does appear to be moving faster, sure, but then all the other things associated with that speed (such as the way the car moves, the rate at which it slows down, speeds up, stops, turns) all look completely ridiculous. The more you speed the video up, the more stupidly obvious it becomes that the car was not originally moving that fast. Same thing goes with musical instruments. Yes, the notes are faster, but all the things which are associated with playing a guitar at that speed are missing/sound weird&wrong (and some impossibilities are there as well, just like the 500mph car which suddenly stops at the lights.) The totally artificial ringing/decay of notes is at the top of a large list of tell-tail signs.

Come, Murrow, Running Through The Garden, Instrumental Introduction to This Is The Time...to name a few. Very obviously sped up.

Now the question is...does he do it in order to create the song he has in his vision, in which case doing what he has done is a demonstration of his great production abilities - or - does he do it in order to make listeners think he can play electric guitar faster than he actually can?

I don't just put that question to LB, I put it to any guitarist who speeds up solos on a song. In LB's case, I'm pretty sure it's the former and because he would never want a session guitarist to play a solo for him, but maybe there's also a teeny tiny bit of the latter there aswell..... ;)

Für Elise 02-15-2007 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by seteca (Post 647122)
YNow the question is...does he do it in order to create the song he has in his vision, in which case doing what he has done is a demonstration of his great production abilities - or - does he do it in order to make listeners think he can play electric guitar faster than he actually can?

I don't just put that question to LB, I put it to any guitarist who speeds up solos on a song. In LB's case, I'm pretty sure it's the former and because he would never want a session guitarist to play a solo for him, but maybe there's also a teeny tiny bit of the latter there aswell..... ;)

you're probably right there. as a listener though, whatever his intentions were (self serving or serving the song) doesn't detract or add so it's almost irrelevant what he was trying to do, for me at least. my favourite solo would be the studio version of Murrow. technical brilliance or simplicity is irrelevant to the enjoyment level for my ears. I can appreciate the talent of someone like jimmy page but I'd sooner listen to murrow or sisters of the moon, I love that solo too.

Billo 02-15-2007 09:36 AM

The solo that keeps jumping out of my head (heh) is Second Hand News.....I know, not obscure, but very Lindsey and very appropriate for the song. And I just love it wailing thru the fade out.

I have to laugh at some of the guessing that goes on here. I for one just can't picture LB giving a flying **** about whether we think he plays the guitar fast or not. Nor, do I think he does a tape-speed solo to impress from a production standpoint. I would say it stems more from trying to do something weird, and something that pleases his ears. And also, probably stems from the influence of Hendrix, The Beatles, Brian Wilson and others that manipulated tape speeds, directions, etc. I mean, I see him more as an artist and just liking the texture and something different....probably why he's used that effect numerous times.

I also don't think he views himself or his place in the world as a lead guitarist per se.

Little Nicki 02-15-2007 12:38 PM

Something else to consider - he's never slowed down a guitar solo. Either because he doesn't want us to think he is really that slow, or because he loves the frantic energy of sped up sounds. The latter being quite likely. But I can't think of him speeding anything else up. Just guitars, and guitar SOLOS at that.

I can think of other artists that record a song and slow the entire thing down, which creates a pretty nice effect. The only thing that bothers me and makes it suspicious is that he only speeds up solos (well actually he speeds up voices all the time too) and he never slows down. He needs to branch out more!

Sarah 02-15-2007 02:16 PM

i can't think of any solos that sounded slowed by any artist. i'm not disputing that it's done.. i just can't think of anything off the top of my head. example, please?

i also can't think of a time that i've ever liked the sound of what i've played slowed down, other than when i'm trying to isolate a particular segment and can't think fast enough. ;) but i'm not by any means a professional, so i'm sure it's application is beyond my technically-limited vision at this point.

Peestie 02-15-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah (Post 647237)
i can't think of any solos that sounded slowed by any artist. i'm not disputing that it's done.. i just can't think of anything off the top of my head. example, please?

i also can't think of a time that i've ever liked the sound of what i've played slowed down, other than when i'm trying to isolate a particular segment and can't think fast enough. ;) but i'm not by any means a professional, so i'm sure it's application is beyond my technically-limited vision at this point.

I don't know any either and apart from slowing things down for the same reason as you I don't generally like the sound since it usually makes the song sound "fatter" than I'm used to. Though I have a program that slows things down for listening without changing the pitch at all, so I don't even get that most of the time.

If I ever get good at writing songs I'm gonna find a way to incorperate a slowed down solo/section :p

As for the sped up solos. He could do it just for the sound :shrug: . I'm recording a song just for fun and I'm speeding up a solo just for the sound of it, even though I can play it at full tempo anyway. Just gives a different tone and frantic-ness.

mylittledemon 02-15-2007 04:21 PM

My favourite solo (other then ISA from The Dance) has still got to be a the end of "The Chain" on the Rumours album. The tone on that les paul was great.

shackin'up 02-15-2007 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Peestie (Post 647285)

As for the sped up solos. He could do it just for the sound :shrug: . I'm recording a song just for fun and I'm speeding up a solo just for the sound of it, even though I can play it at full tempo anyway. Just gives a different tone and frantic-ness.

Another part of the reason he does that is sourced in the man himself, an insecure soul who doesn't see himself as great leadplayer, but is more secure in his fingerstyle-acoustic-guitarplaying and his abilities as a producer. I'm sure that's part of the cut-and-paste-and-fool-around-engineering-approach. It's the way he writes.

Tusk57 02-24-2007 07:07 PM

The best Lindsey solo I've ever seen is from the Live in Boston DVD on the song ISA. It's funny nobody ever mentions that one, but I've seen a lot of his solos and this one is definitely the cream of the crop. My feeling is he knew it was being taped and so he pulled out all of his tricks and then some for the solo. It blows me away everytime I see it.

mylittledemon 02-24-2007 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tusk57 (Post 653014)
The best Lindsey solo I've ever seen is from the Live in Boston DVD on the song ISA. It's funny nobody ever mentions that one, but I've seen a lot of his solos and this one is definitely the cream of the crop. My feeling is he knew it was being taped and so he pulled out all of his tricks and then some for the solo. It blows me away everytime I see it.

Hmm...Yeah I dont think so. I think the Dance version of ISA, or even the Live album from 1980 was a better solo(s). I was let down with that solo to be honest.

Musicman408 02-25-2007 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon (Post 646969)
Sounds like a trick with the tape speed. Good solo though.

I like the solos he did on the Tango in the Night album.

Yes, his Tango solos are very very good.:nod:

gretchen 02-26-2007 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicman408 (Post 653398)
Yes, his Tango solos are very very good.:nod:

I like the short little guitar pieces at the end of When I See You Again, and Family Man (not the whole song!). They are tight and sweetly beautiful. Also, I love the Guitar on Gypsy.

Mari 02-26-2007 02:30 PM

Here's a lone (loon?) Not That Funny fan.. 1980 live album, f.e.
Just completely over the edge, nuts. Love it.

gretchen 02-26-2007 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mari (Post 654212)
Here's a lone (loon?) Not That Funny fan.. 1980 live album, f.e.
Just completely over the edge, nuts. Love it.

Love that one too!! He sounds kinda orgasmic during that whole thing!!:laugh:

shackin'up 02-26-2007 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mari (Post 654212)
Here's a lone (loon?) Not That Funny fan.. 1980 live album, f.e.
Just completely over the edge, nuts. Love it.


There is anotherone quite close in your neighbourhood, Mari!
For me, Nothing has moved me more on a live-album than ISA and NTF on Live 1980. I love those versions to death. ISA-on a live-album? 1980 for me. THAT's the best. Not the dance-too clean-controlled, not on Boston-not the right vocal.

Not that funny is a gem. My seven year old son totally loves NTF-studio, the Ledge, Given thing, Shuffle Riff and Miranda. Now, is that a son or what?

Mari 02-27-2007 05:40 AM

you raised your son well :laugh:

Ooh yeah, agree on ISA as well!
Maybe it's because this is the first live version NTF I heard, that it made such an impression on me? Anyway, I love those versions, still do.

trackaghost 02-27-2007 07:56 AM

Is it wrong that I'm completely and utterly bored of I'm So Afraid live and it's long, long solo?

shackin'up 02-27-2007 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost (Post 654748)
Is it wrong that I'm completely and utterly bored of I'm So Afraid live and it's long, long solo?

.........yes.

Billo 02-27-2007 01:39 PM

When the board is bitching about Lindsey's guitar solos, something is definitely wrong.....

Mari 02-27-2007 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost (Post 654748)
Is it wrong that I'm completely and utterly bored of I'm So Afraid live and it's long, long solo?

Not even the earlier versions?

err.. I agree with Gerald here:thumbsup:

gretchen 02-27-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo (Post 654925)
When the board is bitching about Lindsey's guitar solos, something is definitely wrong.....

You got that right, all is not right with the world.:confused:
Lindsey's soul is in those solos...what's not to love about that?? :shrug:

#1LiddyBuckFan 02-27-2007 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gretchen (Post 654934)
Lindsey's soul is in those solos...

That's all I need...:cool:

mylittledemon 02-27-2007 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost (Post 654748)
Is it wrong that I'm completely and utterly bored of I'm So Afraid live and it's long, long solo?

Yeah it is wrong. I love hearing just about any version of that song. The solo at the end of the LA show version from the Skin tour is amazing.

#1LiddyBuckFan 02-27-2007 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gretchen (Post 654958)
Just a note, I love your sigpic...I would love to Get Bucked!:]

Thanks! :) :laugh: :laugh:

BTFLCHLD 02-27-2007 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon (Post 654963)
The solo at the end of the LA show version from the Skin tour is amazing.

Is that the mp3 I sent you? I am still loving redrover from that night.

chiliD 02-27-2007 04:16 PM

"I'm So Afraid" solos since the Mirage tour (the best that song has ever sounded) have just been major yawners. Time to change the song...replace it in the set with either "Tango In The Night" or "Murrow"...he can still play the same boring solo, but at least the song will be different.

BTFLCHLD 02-27-2007 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 655061)
Time to change the song...replace it in the set with either "Tango In The Night" or "Murrow"...he can still play the same boring solo, but at least the song will be different.

Curious...if he did just that, would you attend a show?

shackin'up 02-27-2007 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 655061)
"I'm So Afraid" solos since the Mirage tour (the best that song has ever sounded) have just been major yawners. Time to change the song...replace it in the set with either "Tango In The Night" or "Murrow"...he can still play the same boring solo, but at least the song will be different.

You are searching for me again huh? I won't bite.:laugh:

chiliD 02-27-2007 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD (Post 655119)
Curious...if he did just that, would you attend a show?

If I could afford to, sure. That's one of the reasons I don't attend concerts these days...it's just too damned expensive. That, and at certain stages of life, "going to concerts" drops significantly on the "priority" scale.

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Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 655125)
You are searching for me again huh? I won't bite.:laugh:

No...not all my comments are directed at baiting you into a fight...most of 'em are just really how I feel.

mylittledemon 02-27-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 655061)
"I'm So Afraid" solos since the Mirage tour (the best that song has ever sounded) have just been major yawners. Time to change the song...replace it in the set with either "Tango In The Night" or "Murrow"...he can still play the same boring solo, but at least the song will be different.

I liked the ISA from the 1982 Mirage concert...I like his vocals a lot.


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