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Peestie 11-19-2006 07:17 PM

Different "I Know I'm Not Wrong"?
 
I saw this on amazon.com:

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Unfortunately, I still have to recommend Tusk on vinyl as the optimal way to experience it. This is due to the fact that a bizarre version of "I Know I'm Not Wrong" was included, instead of the original vinyl version (it's the same version as on the last Tusk CD, I prayed they would fix this). I'd just like one person, ANYONE, to explain this to me, so I can feel better.
So, was there another version of IKINW on the vinyl one? Surely there wouldn't be? Seems very confusing to me.

joshywashy377 11-19-2006 07:28 PM

I know there is an alternate version on the Tusk Expanded but i dont know if it would be the same as Tusk on vinyl

shackin'up 11-20-2006 05:29 AM

The vinylversion of IKINW is definately different from all CD-releases. And for me....still the ultimate version, although I haven't heard it for years, due to the lack of a turntable, that I plan to reinstall again in the near future.

Peestie 11-20-2006 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 602236)
The vinylversion of IKINW is definately different from all CD-releases. And for me....still the ultimate version, although I haven't heard it for years, due to the lack of a turntable, that I plan to reinstall again in the near future.

I wonder why it was changed for the CD release then :shrug: Seems strange. Be great to hear.

golddustwoman77 11-20-2006 02:34 PM

I have the vinyl and a turntable. When my dad gets out of the hospital, I'll listen to it, and tell you guys something about it.

HejiraNYC 11-20-2006 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peestie (Post 602075)
I saw this on amazon.com:



So, was there another version of IKINW on the vinyl one? Surely there wouldn't be? Seems very confusing to me.

To my ears the CD version sounds exactly like the vinyl version, except the vinyl version does not have the background vocal arrangements on the "Don't blame me... please be strong" part of the chorus. I think the b/g vocals adds makes it quirkier; I definitely prefer the CD version. :nod:

Johnny Stew 11-20-2006 03:40 PM

I was surprised the alternate mix was included on the recent remaster/reissue. I had assumed the original vinyl mix would be restored to the main CD and that the alternate mix would be included on the second disc.

Since the band had to listen to and approve these remastered discs, I wonder if Lindsey prefers that alternate mix to the original. :confused:

I'm also kind of surprised that no one's ever ripped the original version from a cassette source, so that we could have a clean, hiss & pop-free mp3 of it.

Johnny Stew 11-20-2006 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 602450)
To my ears the CD version sounds exactly like the vinyl version, except the vinyl version does not have the background vocal arrangements on the "Don't blame me... please be strong" part of the chorus. I think the b/g vocals adds makes it quirkier; I definitely prefer the CD version. :nod:

There's some different instrumentation in the mix, too. The original album version is a little more bare-bones.

joshywashy377 11-20-2006 06:17 PM

I think i actually prefer the alternate Tusk Expanded version myself, i dont know why. Although the best has to be the recent live versions, no doubt!

shackin'up 11-20-2006 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew (Post 602453)
I was surprised the alternate mix was included on the recent remaster/reissue. I had assumed the original vinyl mix would be restored to the main CD and that the alternate mix would be included on the second disc.

Since the band had to listen to and approve these remastered discs, I wonder if Lindsey prefers that alternate mix to the original. :confused:


yeah, I bought the remaster and skipped immediately to 15 on the original disc, going huh? :shrug: Sara restored and this one not??????:shrug:

I still don't understand.

SpyNote 11-21-2006 12:15 AM

The CD version also features background vocals that don't appear on the vinyl version. It sounds like Stevie, but this has never been confirmed. Lindsey sings pretty high in this song, so it could be him. If you listen to the last verse starting at 1:56, you'll notice the new vocals.

SpyNote 11-21-2006 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew (Post 602453)
I was surprised the alternate mix was included on the recent remaster/reissue. I had assumed the original vinyl mix would be restored to the main CD and that the alternate mix would be included on the second disc.

Since the band had to listen to and approve these remastered discs, I wonder if Lindsey prefers that alternate mix to the original. :confused:

I'm thinking it wasn't even that thought out. It could have simply been a case of the record company sending whatever master tapes they had to the producers. A similar thing happened when Stevie's Enchanted box set was released and contained different mixes of all the Street Angel tracks. Someone later asked ICE Magazine about this, and they explained that when the producers requested the tracks from Atlantic, they got tracks from the early unreleased Street Angel sessions.

UndoingTheLaces 11-21-2006 12:26 AM

Sorry this recording isn't better. I found these online somewhere, I believe the first one is the original mix of I Know I'm Not Wrong, while the second is the extra added material from the CD remix.

original mix
http://download.yousendit.com/0D6F8F2246216C4D

remix tracks
http://download.yousendit.com/094FD31C6EA51A72

The Tusk CD remix is basically the original mix in one channel (left or right, I don't remember) with all the extra stuff (drums, background vocals, other instruments) on the other. Listen to the two tracks I've uploaded here and you can really tell the difference.

shackin'up 11-21-2006 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces (Post 602655)
Sorry this recording isn't better. I found these online somewhere, I believe the first one is the original mix of I Know I'm Not Wrong, while the second is the extra added material from the CD remix.

original mix
http://download.yousendit.com/0D6F8F2246216C4D

remix tracks
http://download.yousendit.com/094FD31C6EA51A72

The Tusk CD remix is basically the original mix in one channel (left or right, I don't remember) with all the extra stuff (drums, background vocals, other instruments) on the other. Listen to the two tracks I've uploaded here and you can really tell the difference.

Cool! How many of this fab trash is out there? Put this aside of the three versions on the remaster, put a FM-tusktourrehearsalversion, a FM-2004 and a LB2006version upon that and we have a fullblown IKINW-album with totally different tracks on it!!!! Thanks for posting!...and yes....The first version you put here is still my fave: more space and that delicate high vocal: so much emotion!

stefan 11-22-2006 03:19 PM

Great! It was annoying that the track I like the most had been changed on the CD. And it was no improvement. My turntable doesn't work so it`s been a couple of years that I haven`t been able to listen to the original track.
I love it. Thanks!

trackaghost 11-22-2006 04:41 PM

When I first got the CD of Tusk I almost couldn't bear to listen to I Know I'm Not Wrong because I hated the changes so much. I have gotten used to it but I still prefer the sparseness of the original - thanks so much for posting it!

schmitty 02-12-2011 10:28 AM

I, too, prefer the original mix of "I Know I'm Not Wrong", and looked forward to hearing it again (Why did I ever get rid of that turntable!?). Unfortunately the link above is no longer valid. Can anyone point me in the direction of an mp3 of the orgiinal mix?

holidayroad 02-12-2011 12:45 PM

I did a recording from a cassette to the voice recorder of my mp3 player of the original version. It's bad quality, at best. I don't know how to change it to a regular mp3, though. Strangely, I have another Tusk cassette that has the mix that is on the CD.

Musicman408 02-12-2011 01:51 PM

Yeah, I'm just now seeing this thread to one of my fave FM songs- could someone repost this??? :)

ryan4136 02-12-2011 05:54 PM

Here you Go
 
Vinyl version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQpIVuaxs0

LB Freakazoid 02-12-2011 07:32 PM

thanks so much for posting the original! Now I remember why I adore this song so much. I never did care too much for the CD version- not enough space in the song to feel it....

So I guess this means I'm going to have to either a) set up my turntable and listen to the album at home or b) buy one of those usb turntables so I can burn the song to a playlist

Musicman408 02-12-2011 08:00 PM

SO the vinyl version is the fuller one, correct? Just making sure I'm hearing this right! I love it!!

holidayroad 02-13-2011 09:56 AM

Thanks for posting this!!!!!!!!!

GJK 12-09-2015 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 602861)
Cool! How many of this fab trash is out there? Put this aside of the three versions on the remaster, put a FM-tusktourrehearsalversion, a FM-2004 and a LB2006version upon that and we have a fullblown IKINW-album with totally different tracks on it!!!! Thanks for posting!...and yes....The first version you put here is still my fave: more space and that delicate high vocal: so much emotion!

With the Tusk DeLuxe box set, we do now have 15 different versions (by Fleetwood Mac alone):

1 - original lp/vinyl mix (1979)
2 - first cd mix (ca. 1988)
3 - 2004 remastered version
4 - demo version #1 (2004)
5 - demo version #2 (2004)
6 - demo version #3 (2004)
7 - 2015 remastered version
8 - 'Alternate Tusk' version (2015)
9 - demo version #1 (2015)
10 - demo version #2 (2015)
11 - demo version #3 (2015)
12 - demo version #4 (2015)
13 - demo version #5 (2015)
14 - 24/96 stereo mix (2105)
15 - 5.1 surround mix (2015)

KarmaContestant 12-10-2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GJK (Post 1176374)
With the Tusk DeLuxe box set, we do now have 15 different versions (by Fleetwood Mac alone):

1 - original lp/vinyl mix (1979)
2 - first cd mix (ca. 1988)
3 - 2004 remastered version

4 - demo version #1 (2004)
5 - demo version #2 (2004)
6 - demo version #3 (2004)
7 - 2015 remastered version
8 - 'Alternate Tusk' version (2015)
9 - demo version #1 (2015)
10 - demo version #2 (2015)
11 - demo version #3 (2015)
12 - demo version #4 (2015)
13 - demo version #5 (2015)
14 - 24/96 stereo mix (2105)
15 - 5.1 surround mix (2015)


Can you clarify something for me? Are numbers 3 and 7 (the 2004 and 2015 remasters) actually new mixes never heard before, or are both remasters of the original CD 1988 CD mix?

Also, is the new 2015 vinyl version the same as the 2015 CD version, or is one or both the same as the 1979 vinyl version?

GJK 12-10-2015 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1176415)
Can you clarify something for me? Are numbers 3 and 7 (the 2004 and 2015 remasters) actually new mixes never heard before, or are both remasters of the original CD 1988 CD mix?

Also, is the new 2015 vinyl version the same as the 2015 CD version, or is one or both the same as the 1979 vinyl version?

On the sleeve of disc 1 it says '2015 Remaster', so I assumed that the songs have another mix than the 2004 remaster; I haven't listened too closely yet to draw any conclusions (the same goes for both DVD mixes).

There are no remixes of the 1988 CD mix (the one with the background vocals and some extra instruments on the right channel); I think all the new ones are remixes of the original 1979 vinyl version.

I haven't listened to (any of) the vinyl records yet.

GJK

shackin'up 12-10-2015 05:32 PM

I didn't compare, but I have the impression that the demo#1 versions of 2004 and 2015 are the same versions.

GJK 12-10-2015 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 1176422)
I didn't compare, but I have the impression that the demo#1 versions of 2004 and 2015 are the same versions.

Maybe I understand what you mean, but because of the silly names all those demo's/roughs/outtakes have, I think you might be wrong.

On the 2004 version there are:

Disc 1, track 15: IKINW, a 2004 remaster of the 1979 vinyl version
Disc 2, track 5: Lindsey's song #1 (IKINW)
Disc 2, track 12: Song #1 (IKINW)
Disc 2, track 17: Song #1 (IKINW) (Alternate)

On the 2015 version there are:

Disc 1, track 15: IKINW, a 2015 (???) remaster of the 1979 vinyl version
Disc 2, track 12: IKINW (Demo - Lindsey's Song #1)
Disc 2, track 13-17: IKINW (5 different versions, WHICH I NAMED Demo versions #1 - #5)

Disc 2, track 5: Lindsey's song #1 (IKINW) from 2004 is the same as IKINW (Demo - Lindsey's Song #1) from 2015.

So, I didn't count those 2 'double'.

shackin'up 12-10-2015 06:50 PM

OK. I'm convinced. Thanks.

KarmaContestant 12-10-2015 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GJK (Post 1176421)
On the sleeve of disc 1 it says '2015 Remaster', so I assumed that the songs have another mix than the 2004 remaster; I haven't listened too closely yet to draw any conclusions (the same goes for both DVD mixes).

There are no remixes of the 1988 CD mix (the one with the background vocals and some extra instruments on the right channel); I think all the new ones are remixes of the original 1979 vinyl version.

I haven't listened to (any of) the vinyl records yet.

GJK

Thank you!


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