Meeting Rice denies DID take place
 

State Dept. confirms Rice-Tenet meeting

By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer 2 minutes ago

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice did receive a CIA briefing about terror threats just about two months before the Sept. 11 attacks, but the information was not new, her chief spokesman said.

In doing so, Sean McCormack confirmed a meeting — on July 10, 2001 — that his boss had said repeatedly she could not specifically recall. She had said earlier that there were virtually daily meetings at the time.

A new book by reporter Bob Woodward of Watergate fame describes the White House meeting as an emergency wakeup call that Rice had brushed off. Rice was President Bush's national security adviser at the time and was promoted to the top diplomatic job last year.

Although spokesmen for the State Department and the National Security Council indicated Sunday that such a meeting had taken place, Rice was still saying Monday that she was not sure about it. She said she would have remembered the sort of forceful warning the book claims was conveyed there. (apparently not)

"We can confirm that a meeting took place on or around July 10, 2001," McCormack said late Monday.

"The information presented in this meeting was not new, rather it was a good summary from the threat reporting from the previous several weeks," he added.

Woodward's book "State of Denial" recounts the meeting among then-CIA Director George Tenet, Rice and the CIA's top counterterror officer. The book said the session stood out in the minds of the CIA officials as the "starkest warning they had given the White House" on al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and his network.

McCormack said that after the meting, Rice had asked that the same material be given to Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and then-Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Materials from this meeting were made available to the independent Sept. 11 Commission, and Tenet was asked about the session when interviewed by the commission, McCormack said.

The meeting is not part of the commission report. WHY NOT???

Meanwhile, Ashcroft said Monday that he should have been notified of any such report dealing with a pending attack on the United States. "It just occurred to me how disappointing it was that they didn't come to me with this type of information," he said in an interview with The Associated Press.

"The FBI is responsible for domestic terrorism," Ashcroft said. He said both Tenet and Black should have been aware that he had pressed for a more aggressive policy in going after bin Laden and his followers in the United States and should have briefed him as well. Rice knew of this advocacy, he suggested.

According to the Sept. 11 Commission, Ashcroft was briefed on July 5, 2001, "warning that a significant terrorist attack was imminent." The report noted that the briefing addressed only threats outside the United States.

Woodward wrote that the meeting among Tenet, Rice and Black stood out in the minds of Tenet and Black as the "starkest warning they had given the White House" on al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and his network.

Tenet asked for the meeting after receiving a disturbing briefing from Black, according to the book.

A former intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Sept. 11 Commission and an earlier joint congressional inquiry into the 9/11 attacks were both informed of Tenet's and Black's meeting with Rice, when Tenet warned Rice that a significant attack was coming.

In a closed, classified session at CIA headquarters, Tenet told Sept. 11 Commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste, the commission's executive director Phil Zelikow and other commission staff about Rice's meeting with Tenet and Black, the official said.

The former intelligence official said the commission kept a transcript of that Jan. 28, 2004, session. A second official familiar with the document, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed its existence.

Another interesting article on this.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...387256,00.html

Tenet, the head of the CIA at that time, is just about finished with his memoirs. Could be very interesting. :nod:

I hate Condi Rice!
she is a global disgrace and an Uncle Tom puppet!

yes :nod: how she can live with herself is beyond me....:shrug:

I know! It is SHOCKING!!!:distress:

I think the use of Uncle Tom is inappropriate. There is no evidence the Bush Administration, though loathesome, is in any way a horribly or comparatively racist regime :shrug: I mean I hate their policies, think they are inept, etc. - but that hardly means Sec. Rice is working with people who openly or in effect hate black people :shrug:

Perhaps you are using Uncle Tom because you think any black person who is not a D is a de facto Uncle Tom. I just do not see it that way.

She is incapable of speaking for herself or doing the right thing or taking responsibility for her own actions!

Maybe you can think of a better term to describe someone who is not only working against the best interests of this country but has apparently forgotten her own roots and seems to be doing her best to blend into the Good Old Boys enclave :shrug:

^5..THANK YOU!

Merriam Webster defines "Uncle Tom" as --

Main Entry: 1Uncle Tom
Pronunciation: -'täm
Function: noun

Etymology: Uncle Tom, pious and faithful black slave in Uncle Tom's Cabin (1851-52) by Harriet Beecher Stowe

1 : a black who is overeager to win the approval of whites (as by obsequious behavior or uncritical acceptance of white values and goals)

2 : a member of a low-status group who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority
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Sec. Rice fulfills none of those criteria. So, the use of that term, though visually interesting, is incorrect.

I suggest a more appropriate adjective would be a dangerously incorrect woman with a deliberately incorrect view of how to handle the global threat of terrorism.

You're welcome :wavey:

Strand...why do you feel compelled to stir this pot?

Because it urks me when people use that term incorrectly. Sec. Rice is in no way seeking approval from white people. Rather, she is far more sinister and dangerous in that she does what she does because she truly believes she is doing the right thing :eek:

I disagree, I think Rice is a "black" sock puppet for this Administration, and I think she has incontrovertably demonstrated her willingness to cooperate (overly subservient?? you BETCHA!!!) with this warmongering group to the degree that she will LIE to the media, to the American people without flinching. She is a sociopath. She has sold out her people (who I would bet money are disproportionately represented in the fighting forces) and sold out this country.

this: "uncritical acceptance of white values and goals" is the new definition of Condi Rice. as of now.

I hate everything she stands for..I dont care what color her skin is. It is not a race issue! I think she is a MORAL SELLOUT!:nod:

So, she is seeking approval of whitie? No facts suggest or indicate that. Also, who are her people she sold out? It urks me to no end when people think all black people must think the same, be the same, represent each other, etc. Do you realize how racist that is? Finally, I get that you hate W, the war, etc. - but how is that being overeager to please whitie?

My point EXACTLY!

BINGO - but that is not the same as an Uncle Tom. Again, she is not overeager to please whitie. You just used the wrong word. No big deal.

The fact she is a LIAR and has no moral compass says it all.

Again, who are her people. All black people? Maybe they all sit on the front porch and eat watermelon while the fat grandmother sings spirituals because they are all like that. I mean come on - she does not represent all black people -- no one can.

While that may be true, how does the make her an Uncle Tom.

Last time I checked, every freakin single high ranking war-mongering ASSWIPE in Monkey Boy's cabinet is W.H.I.T.E. and she is MOST CERTAINLY futhering the goals of those DAMN White Men!! She's smart, tho, I'll hand ya that....she's at least chosen to cast her lot with the most powerful white men in the country. I guess if yer gonna be a sell out, at least sell out to the top right?
:shrug:

HOOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

..whatever her ambitions are to please whitie do not concern me.

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

You are now my new role model....:D

..your words..not mine.

I got news for you: Condi DOESNT speak for Black people because she sees herself as WHITE (I'd bet $$$$$$$$$$$ on it). And to answer your question, she sold out the blacks because the blacks are disproportionately represented in the fighting forces. Black boys are getting killed.

she reminds me of OJ Simpson who so turned his back on his roots that he married a white girl and lived in the ritzy white neighborhood and considered himself part of WHITE high society. He only remembered he was black when he needed a jury that would acquit him. What a jerk.

Nice try - but Powell was and is black as are many of the top brass in the military. Also, I get that you rather detest white men as they have the power, but they do and in this instance it is more happenstance than her deliberate attempt to appease them merely because they are white, etc. If you have proof to the contrary, let's see it.

And you do? I mean who speaks for ALL black people? Name one person. So, to put that on her is disingenuous and incorrect. I mean she sold everyone out - not just black people and she did not do it in an attempt to appease whitie :shrug:

On edit - did you really just say that about OJ :eek: So, no black person should ever marry a white person and live in an upscale neighborhood. If they do, they are horrible people who are turning their back on their people - whomever they may be.

I didnt say I speak for black people....what makes you ask me that? I dont know of any one black person that speaks for all black people, thats silly. But once upon a time, I think Martin Luther came pretty darn close....

To answer your other question, Colin Powell got OUT as soon as he saw the sort of deception the administration expected him to exhibit. HE has a conscience. and HE DIDNT SELL OUT.

The fact that Condi can LIE to the media, to the American people EVERY DAY for the LAST 6 years and she so completely furthers this administrations talking points REGARDLESS of the falsity, EXACTLY demonstrates the willingness of THIS BLACK WOMAN to stick to these evil White men no matter what!

She will be the last rat to leave the sinking ship too I bet.

OJ was doing his level best to ease into white society. I firmly believe that. He wasnt hobnobbing with all his former black friends (except maybe Al) now was he? Nooooooo he was rubbing elbows in WHITE high society revelling in his new class status. It wasnt until he realized that his jury (which should have come from his OWN neighborhood--his "peers") would likely convict him, that he asked for and received a change of venue to a predominately black neighborhood thereby guaranteeing an acquittal. Oh YES I believe that with ALL MY HEART. And so do some very savvy court watchers whose names escape me.

I think you better check your facts on Powell - start by looking at his speech to the UN and then his subsequent defense of the reasons for the War in Iraq.

Again, that Condi is black a d they are white is irrelevant. An Uncle Tom is some black person who is overeager to appease white people for social acceptance. Sec. Rice does not meet that criteria. Even BlackWidow recanted her use of the term.

As for speaking for black people, you sure are quick to say Sec. Rice turned her back on them, but you have yet to define them, which I submit you cannot as no one can because there are no issues exclusively black, save for socioeconomic ones, but there are many other races in that boat.

The overriding issue that Condi is promoting (in cooperation with the warmongering Vulcans), namely, the Iraq war, is most definitely having a profound effect on Black people in terms of the numbers of black soldiers as a proportion of the whole. By aligning herself with these WHITE eejits, she is in effect allowing untold numbers of BLACK soldiers to die, nay she is PROMOTING it. Of course there are other races dying, and yes she is an equal opportunity liar, she is lying to everyone. But the fact remains, by sticking to these deadly policies she is in effect dooming members of her own race. Thus her blind devotion to CERTAIN WHITE MEN has led to death and destruction and woe. for black white brown yellow and red. And I bet you'd be hard pressed to find a black person right about now who says they admire her :shrug:

By the way, Chris posted an article that mentioned a book by/about Colin that deals with this very topic. I think Colin acted in good faith to start with and I dont fault him for an honest mistake. At least he got OUT when he began to realize the depth of the deception the Administration was willing to perpetrate on our country....I admire him all the more for keeping his credibility.

DOH! These are some HARSH sentiments yessir!
 

Uncle Tom's Cabinet





It is a sad, ironic testimony to the current complexities of racial politics in America that African-Americans like Colin Powell and Condeleeza Rice can attain unprecedented career advances in tandem with the sweeping disenfranchisement of thousands of black voters.

The Bush victory enabled these two loyal Bush family (White) house servants to become some of the most powerful blacks in the nation at the expense of the rights of black voters and the ratification of the theft by the Supreme Court. Now it appears the constitutional mandate of equal protection requires that the rights of some voters (guess who?) be ignored in order to protect the rights of others.

The NAACP and other civil rights groups have conducted hearings in Florida that

JOE RAEDLE/NEWSMAKERS
document outrageous instances of voter disenfranchisement. Haitians were denied translators to help them decipher confusing ballots. Roadblocks turned prospective voters away from access roads to the polls. Black men were singled out for criminal background checks as they headed to polling stations. This is all in addition to the highly publicized chicanery and technological "glitches" that excluded some 185,000 Florida ballots, in an election in which record numbers of African-Americans voted (and many more tried).

However, some of the most deep-seated aspects of black disenfranchisement in the state are structural and predate the recent election debacle. Some 400,000 black men in Florida are permanently barred from voting because of a 19th century law disenfranchising those with a felony conviction. This 1868 law dates back to after passage of the 15th Amendment, which gave black men the franchise. A century later the targets are the same, and the law is working the way it was intended.

Given the flagrant racism that permeated the election and its aftermath, it was a strategic move when, just days after Gore's concession, a smiling Dubya proudly announced his diverse senior nominees, nudging first Rice (for national security adviser) and then Powell (for secretary of state) before the cameras to sing his praises. Even before the Supreme Court handed victory to Bush, he had indicated that these two would be some of his first appointments. This is no coincidence; it is another example of what the Republicans really mean by "colorblindness." Colorblindness means that we should all pretend that race played no role in selecting high-ranking black people to speak for a regime whose commitments to racial justice are seriously suspect at best.

Consistent with this strategy, on December 20 Bush met with a national group of religious leaders, a third of them African-American, to further deflect attention away from the persistent and persuasive allegations of racism. Eugene Rivers, a Boston-based minister who describes himself as an independent, emerged from that meeting to criticize Jesse Jackson for challenging the fairness of the election.

Although trying to authenticate more conservative blacks to speak for the race is old news, the choices of Powell and Rice do represent a shift in the way in which racism manifests itself. These nominations would have been inconceivable a generation ago. But the black community has changed, and the face of racism has too. There is a greater tolerance of phenotype diversity, as long as there is conformity in terms of ideology and loyalty. Indeed, such symbolic integration at the top can be valuable as long as the black symbols remain faithful promoters of the party line.

For example, while Powell differs with Bush on affirmative action, which the general benefited from, he is obviously still willing to be a team player to advance his own career interests. This is Bush's version of affirmative action--or "affirmative access," as he calls it--brown faces at the top as long as they go along with the silencing of black sentiments at the bottom.

The pioneer for this new style racism was Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, one of the strongest supporters of the conservative opinion in the Florida decision. What all three of these black conservatives show us is the limits of representation at the top. Despite their backgrounds, they have conveniently forgotten the struggles from which they benefited. Thomas was the product of impoverished southern farmers. Powell came from a working-class immigrant family. And Rice, born the year of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, was a classmate of one of the children killed in the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in Birmingham, Alabama by white vigilantes. Yet all three have twisted and reconfigured those experiences to justify current positions that would ignore the brutal forms of discrimination and oppression facing the masses of black folk without access to the privileges and power that they now enjoy.

In the end, neither Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell nor Condoleeza Rice can disguise the sentiments of the overwhelming majority of African-Americans. Ninety percent of the black electorate voted against George Bush in this election. They did so with good reason, given that his policy objectives portend even deeper retrenchment in the areas of civil rights enforcement, economic justice and other areas of concern to black communities all over the country. "If Bush intends to hold out a conciliatory hand to the black community," says Fran Beal, a civil rights activist and leader of the Black Radical Congress, "he needs to first condemn the blatant disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of black and Haitian people and rigorously move to enforce the Voting Rights Act of 1965."

The Republicans hoped to dampen the outrage of African-Americans with jobs for black elites and Booker T. Washington-type access to uncritical African-American leaders. But folk won't be fooled so easily.

Barbara Ransby is an assistant professor of African-American Studies and History at University of Illinois, Chicago. Cheryl I. Harris is a professor of law at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Yet ANOTHER condemnation of Rice by (of all things) BLACK people!
Rice is Anti-Black

Here's an article on the proportion of Black soldiers (and other minorities) as a percentage of the total fighting force

I want to post a correction: I was wrong to think there were more Blacks fighting in Iraq than any other race. I had heard that somewhere and believed it to be true. The truth is, about 3/4ths of the fighting force in Iraq is White. Having said that however, I find it interesting to note that this article states that the percentage of Blacks in the overall population is 13% while the percentage of Black soldiers is 20%. so in that sense, Blacks are more visible in the fighting force than they are in the civilian numbers. (according to this study).

Also: I can appreciate Condi Rice's vast intellect, and her accomplishments and admire her success. What I find deplorable is that a woman so obviously educated, informed and accomplished would cast her lot with such a scurrilous band of cutthroats. Not only that but LIE for them as well. Its just really really sickening. What a waste of God given talents.

Blah Blah Blah - none of that shows that she is overeager to appease whitie to gain social acceptance. That she works with white people is the way of the world and if that were the standard applied to all, then all working black people are Uncle Tom's because all black people in one way or another work with white people :shrug:

Again - what exactly are exclusively black issues - you have yet to answer that one :wavey: