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gldstwmn 09-08-2006 05:29 PM

Police: Nurse, 51, kills intruder with bare hands
 
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/08/nur....ap/index.html

PORTLAND, Oregon (AP) -- A nurse returning from work discovered an intruder armed with a hammer in her home and strangled him with her bare hands, police said.

Susan Kuhnhausen, 51, ran to a neighbor's house after the confrontation Wednesday night. Police found the body of Edward Dalton Haffey 59, a convicted felon with a long police record.

Police said there was no obvious sign of forced entry at the house when Kuhnhausen, an emergency room nurse at Providence Portland Medical Center, got home from work shortly after 6 p.m.

Under Oregon law people can use reasonable deadly force when defending themselves against an intruder or burglar in their homes. Kuhnhausen was treated and released for minor injuries at Providence.

Haffey, about 5-foot-9 and 180 pounds, had convictions including conspiracy to commit aggravated murder, robbery, drug charges and possession of burglary tools. Neighbors said Kuhnhausen's size -- 5-foot-7 and 260 pounds -- may have given her an advantage.

"Everyone that I've talked to says 'Hurray for Susan,' said neighbor Annie Warnock, who called 911.

"You didn't need to calm her. She's an emergency room nurse. She's used to dealing with crisis."

sparky 09-08-2006 07:37 PM

I want to pin a medal on this woman's ample chest. :blob1:

Oregon has some great laws.

I remember growing up, everyone told us if someone broke in we had to kill them IN THE HOUSE. Not in the yard, not hangin out the window, but totally in the house. Go Oregon !

Merf 09-08-2006 09:52 PM

ER nurses? don't play.:nod:

JazmenFlowers 09-08-2006 11:24 PM

are we sure Paula didn't sneak over a few states? :D

no, seriously...that rocks.

DavidMn 09-08-2006 11:39 PM

Exactly! These turkey's have whats coming to them!

sammigold 09-09-2006 01:31 AM

Good on her!!

If we did that over here we would be in BIG trouble...:nod:

JunkFoodGenius 09-09-2006 01:52 AM

Penn Jillette had self defense as a topic of his show a while back and he talked about people who sue for injuries incurred while trying to rob a place. Someone called in and said something along the lines of if you are going into a profession that the law doesn't going to condone, you are going to have to accept certain consequences. Like having a nurse strangle you to death.

I'm pretty sure workers' compensation law doesn't cover felons in this regard...

desertangel 09-09-2006 05:58 AM

Lord Have Mercy... There's always something going on around here... :D

They showed this woman on the news. She was on a gurney being loaded into the ambulance with her hands over her face. Not sure if she was being camera shy or just in "shock." I would be in shock. And probably would have reacted to an intruder the same way. I don't take too kindly to people being in my house without permission.

tynan88 09-09-2006 08:48 AM

I dunno I'm mixed about this, if she was able to strangle him surely she must have been able to incapacitate him to a point where he didn't have to die.

JazmenFlowers 09-09-2006 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tynan88 (Post 569245)
I dunno I'm mixed about this, if she was able to strangle him surely she must have been able to incapacitate him to a point where he didn't have to die.

going back and reading and re-thinking this, I think the same thing.

gldstwmn 09-09-2006 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tynan88 (Post 569245)
I dunno I'm mixed about this, if she was able to strangle him surely she must have been able to incapacitate him to a point where he didn't have to die.

She wasn't performing a medical procedure, she was being attacked in her home.

markolas 09-09-2006 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tynan88 (Post 569245)
I dunno I'm mixed about this, if she was able to strangle him surely she must have been able to incapacitate him to a point where he didn't have to die.

This thread is gonna go down in flames quick, methinks. :lol:

She did what she felt she had to do, but killing is always a non-virtue, and she will reap the karmic consequences of doing so. Even if it was the only thing to do, from the Buddhist POV, all beings have the Buddha-nature, and the killing of any living thing should never be celebrated.

desertangel 09-09-2006 01:31 PM

Yes'm... and that's what I figured was going through her mind as she laid there on the gurney with her hands over her face.

I have a little feeling there's more to the story.

sparky 09-09-2006 01:48 PM

I am sure, as she found an intruder in her home wielding a hammer, that she should have quickly surmised that the most important thing to do was to subdue him with his safety and well being in mind. Yup. That would be my first instinct. That should have been her priority. Make sure the armed, uninvited intruder and attacker was taken from her home alive and well. If possible he should be unharmed. And given cookies and tea.
:rolleyes:
What a crock. If that was her attitude, she'd be dead, and he'd likely be scot free. Anyone who thinks differently is likely to be a murder victim. The guy was an animal and got what he deserved. That woman did society a favor.

JazmenFlowers 09-09-2006 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky (Post 569296)
And given cookies and tea.

were you raised in a barn? it's cookies and milk.

cookies and tea? yuck.

:laugh:

sparky 09-09-2006 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers (Post 569299)
were you raised in a barn? it's cookies and milk.

cookies and tea? yuck.

:laugh:

Raised in a barn ? Last time I was in a barn I wouldn't call what happenned getting raised. Not really, anyway.

I thought tea and cookies was very English and dignified sounding. Something one would offer a gentle and esteemed guest in one's home. Perhaps with some finger sandwiches.

"Put down that hammer you beast ! You simply must have some Earl Grey tea. I think you'd love these butter cookies my Aunt Sadie sent me from Leeds."

gldstwmn 09-09-2006 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky (Post 569296)
I am sure, as she found an intruder in her home wielding a hammer, that she should have quickly surmised that the most important thing to do was to subdue him with his safety and well being in mind. Yup. That would be my first instinct. That should have been her priority. Make sure the armed, uninvited intruder and attacker was taken from her home alive and well. If possible he should be unharmed. And given cookies and tea.
:rolleyes:
What a crock. If that was her attitude, she'd be dead, and he'd likely be scot free. Anyone who thinks differently is likely to be a murder victim. The guy was an animal and got what he deserved. That woman did society a favor.

He'd been charged with attempted murder in the past.:nod:

gldstwmn 09-09-2006 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markolas (Post 569283)
This thread is gonna go down in flames quick, methinks. :lol:

She did what she felt she had to do, but killing is always a non-virtue, and she will reap the karmic consequences of doing so. Even if it was the only thing to do, from the Buddhist POV, all beings have the Buddha-nature, and the killing of any living thing should never be celebrated.

I don't think anyone is celebrating this. It is remarkable though.

JazmenFlowers 09-09-2006 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky (Post 569311)
Raised in a barn ? Last time I was in a barn I wouldn't call what happenned getting raised. Not really, anyway.

I thought tea and cookies was very English and dignified sounding. Something one would offer a gentle and esteemed guest in one's home. Perhaps with some finger sandwiches.

"Put down that hammer you beast ! You simply must have some Earl Grey tea. I think you'd love these butter cookies my Aunt Sadie sent me from Leeds."

...:lol:...

gldstwmn 09-09-2006 08:58 PM

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork

Police: Wheelchair-bound NYC woman shoots mugger
September 8, 2006, 10:02 PM EDT


NEW YORK -- Margaret Johnson might have looked like an easy target.

But when a mugger tried to grab a chain off her neck Friday, the wheelchair-bound 56-year-old pulled out her licensed .357 pistol and shot him, police said.

Johnson said she was in Harlem on her way to a shooting range when the man, identified by police as 45-year-old Deron Johnson, came up from behind and went for the chain.

"There's not much to it," she said in a brief interview. "Somebody tried to mug me, and I shot him."

Deron Johnson was taken to Harlem Hospital with a single bullet wound in the elbow, police said. He faces a robbery charge, said Lt. John Grimpel, a police spokesman.

Margaret Johnson, who lives in Harlem, has a permit for the weapon and does not face charges, Grimpel said. She also was taken to the hospital with minor injuries and later released.

sparky 09-09-2006 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 569402)
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork

Police: Wheelchair-bound NYC woman shoots mugger
September 8, 2006, 10:02 PM EDT


NEW YORK -- Margaret Johnson might have looked like an easy target.

But when a mugger tried to grab a chain off her neck Friday, the wheelchair-bound 56-year-old pulled out her licensed .357 pistol and shot him, police said.

Johnson said she was in Harlem on her way to a shooting range when the man, identified by police as 45-year-old Deron Johnson, came up from behind and went for the chain.

"There's not much to it," she said in a brief interview. "Somebody tried to mug me, and I shot him."

Deron Johnson was taken to Harlem Hospital with a single bullet wound in the elbow, police said. He faces a robbery charge, said Lt. John Grimpel, a police spokesman.

Margaret Johnson, who lives in Harlem, has a permit for the weapon and does not face charges, Grimpel said. She also was taken to the hospital with minor injuries and later released.

Pity her aim wasn't as good as her intent.

Neb-Maat-Re 09-10-2006 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammigold (Post 569218)
Good on her!!

If we did that over here we would be in BIG trouble...:nod:

Yes, apparently here we would be violating their rights.

Livia 09-10-2006 05:25 PM

The nurse - I keep picturing Kathy Bates in "Misery."

The woman w/ the gun - awesome! :D

carrie721 09-10-2006 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 569623)
The nurse - I keep picturing Kathy Bates in "Misery."

me too!! :lol: although if annie wilkes had caught someone in her house, she probably wouldn't have killed him right away ... :eek:

sammigold 09-11-2006 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky (Post 569311)
Raised in a barn ? Last time I was in a barn I wouldn't call what happenned getting raised. Not really, anyway.

I thought tea and cookies was very English and dignified sounding. Something one would offer a gentle and esteemed guest in one's home. Perhaps with some finger sandwiches.

"Put down that hammer you beast ! You simply must have some Earl Grey tea. I think you'd love these butter cookies my Aunt Sadie sent me from Leeds."


I think in England it is Tea and Scones with Jam & Cream....:laugh: :wavey:
but the cookies sound good they sound a bit like Shortbread..Yum!!!:thumbsup:

Neb-Maat-Re 09-11-2006 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammigold
I think in England it is Tea and Scones with Jam & Cream

Taht'd be a Devonshire Tea, then.

Mind you, if you went to Devonshire...


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