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David 06-16-2006 12:27 PM

This video is chilling
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSg_U...=twin%20towers

A nightmare on video.

DrummerDeanna 06-16-2006 12:37 PM

Holy. ****. :eek: Is that for real???

Oh my god how horrifying :distress:

sara1998 06-16-2006 12:49 PM

OK people, I'm at work, I can't watch, and my home computer is down. What is it?

DrummerDeanna 06-16-2006 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sara1998
OK people, I'm at work, I can't watch, and my home computer is down. What is it?


It's a 911 call from a guy who is apparently on the 105th floor- through most of the call there's a little red thing pinpointing about where he is...

The video itself is just an image of one of the towers after it had been struck - so it's all smoky.

The guy is on the line with a dispatcher and a firefighter at one point - then there's an "oh my God" and at that point the building starts to come down...it's going to give me freaking nightmares...:distress:

HomerMcvie 06-16-2006 01:01 PM

Thanks for describing it. Now I certainly WON'T watch it!

The Tower 06-16-2006 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sara1998
OK people, I'm at work, I can't watch, and my home computer is down. What is it?

You don't want to see it.

It's a 911 transcript that has been tied to video. The guy is desperately trying to get someone from the fire department to rescue them. He keeps saying how he doesn't want to die. At the end of this clip, you hear him scream over the phone "Oh, god, oh god!!!" as you watch the top half of the tower where he was located crumble apart and crash to the ground.

I don't recommend viewing this.

wondergirl9847 06-16-2006 01:10 PM

Good grief
 
Why would anyone wanna see this? :(

I'll pass.

DrummerDeanna 06-16-2006 01:11 PM

Ok - Tower's description was much more eloquent and right on then mine -either way ya get the gist.

And I concur - I do NOT recomend watching it - I wasn't kidding about the nightmares - it's just something I didn't need to hear/see.

ThePenguin 06-16-2006 01:16 PM

That might give me nightmares. My chest is tight now just from watching that. Very very disturbing. Oh my god that day was just so sad; it is still unbelievable to me that that happened.



PS if i had read the description first I would not have watched it......


-Lis

jannieC 06-16-2006 01:39 PM

David, can you change your initial post to add a description? I would not have watched that if I had known what it was. I appreciate you posting it, but some people may have a hard time with it.

GODDESS6 06-16-2006 01:50 PM

wow, i am speechless:distress: ~

cliffdweller 06-16-2006 01:54 PM

Hey David, why'd you post this? :shrug: I won't be watching it.

HomerMcvie 06-16-2006 02:09 PM

Remember when hostage Nick Berg(wasn't that his name?) was decapitated? I watched it (like an idiot) on the internet. I was literally ILL the rest of the day.

paleshadow 06-16-2006 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
Remember when hostage Nick Berg(wasn't that his name?) was decapitated? I watched it (like an idiot) on the internet. I was literally ILL the rest of the day.

I did also. I think because at that point I thought there was no way that it could be real.

DrummerDeanna 06-16-2006 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
Remember when hostage Nick Berg(wasn't that his name?) was decapitated? I watched it (like an idiot) on the internet. I was literally ILL the rest of the day.


OMG..I was actually curious about that - the dark side of me I guess - but I never watched it...and I'm so glad I never did - it would have probably haunted me.

Someone on MySpace once sent me an amusing picture and a link for a website - so I went and there were HORRID pictures on there (decapitations, shootings etc)...I've never been back but it makes me wonder - stuff like that is out there for someone--who enjoys this stuff???

HomerMcvie 06-16-2006 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
OMG..I was actually curious about that - the dark side of me I guess - but I never watched it...and I'm so glad I never did - it would have probably haunted me.

I'm still sorry that I watched it. It was terrible. I was sick at my stomach the rest of that day. Unfortunately, I can still see that video, plain as day.:distress:

David 06-16-2006 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
Hey David, why'd you post this? :shrug: I won't be watching it.

I was watching all the Ann Coulter videos on youtube--the pros & the cons & all the yapping back & forth, & then it led to this video, which I had never seen before, & I watched it & went Oh my God. It brought that day back in obviously a very immediate, very real way that made all the nattering nabobs & their arguments about politics on all the silly talk shows seem like white noize.

The Tower 06-16-2006 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
Remember when hostage Nick Berg(wasn't that his name?) was decapitated? I watched it (like an idiot) on the internet. I was literally ILL the rest of the day.

That video was awful- edited, but awful just the same.

hayley 06-16-2006 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
stuff like that is out there for someone--who enjoys this stuff???

Have you guys seen this magazine yet? I work part-time at a Borders and was horrified to find it sitting right next to People mag. It's filled with disgusting pictures and articles about stuff like the war... there's an article on the victims of Chernobyl with circus-y sideshow pictures of deformities, there's was a pictorial of a dead body showing the decomposition in a slide show over a period of weeks. It was appalling.

I don't understand how anyone would ever want to look at that stuff.

DrummerDeanna 06-16-2006 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hayley
Have you guys seen this magazine yet? I work part-time at a Borders and was horrified to find it sitting right next to People mag. It's filled with disgusting pictures and articles about stuff like the war... there's an article on the victims of Chernobyl with circus-y sideshow pictures of deformities, there's was a pictorial of a dead body showing the decomposition in a slide show over a period of weeks. It was appalling.

I don't understand how anyone would ever want to look at that stuff.

OMG...that's the type of thing that website I went to had!!! It was AWFUL - the worst part is the way they made light of everything..."Don't lose your head now" under decapitations and whatnot *shudder* I really never need to see any of that kind of stuff.

Now - this video that David posted isn't in the same realm IMO - but it's sad and disturbing all the same.

Villavic 06-16-2006 03:07 PM

Well, I just watched it. I agree, it's not to be amused all. Actually I KNOW what it felt. Terrorism is not new for me. My place was punished by terror 15 years ago. 1992 was the worst year, and that's when the leader of Shining Path was captured, and then everything starting to get better.

But before that, it was a nightmare. Blackouts anytime, car bombs in shopping centers, attacks in the road, specially in the mountains. Terrorist made a deal with narcotraficants.. everything was a mess. Some regiosn in the country was practically forbidden for tourists and travellers.

The worst incident was when they put a car bomb in front of a bank, here in Lima, and in my neighborhood, Miraflores, but they couldn't park in the exact door so they parked in the street near the building, a narrow street so when it exploded the energy concentrated over the buildings and houses in that street.

It was tragical.

2 buildings were the most affected, and they were not only offices. People lived there (9pm!)

This video makes me recall the scene of a desperate father arriving at the place, screaming for his son, trying to find him. The building was half destroyed (imagine Oklahoma bld.) and the other half in fire. Fortunately he found his son save.

My gym teacher wasn't that luck. He appeared on 6th floor shouting for help since his brother was dying... he didn't make it.

Ok, I stop here. Just to tell you fellows.. 9/11 was the biggest terrorist attack, but you just had few. After more than 10 years of terrorism in Peru, my generation became.. I don't know what to say. Not prepared nor used to it, because you never are.. but it made us hard, stronger.. I don't know. I really really not wish this to anyone, to any country. Will peace reign some day in the whole planet?

becca 06-16-2006 03:26 PM

I often think of the ordinary people just wanting to live their lives but finding themselves in places getting bombed, whether that's London in 1940, Dresden in 1945, New York City in 2001, or Baghdad in 2003. I think like Londoners we need not to dwell publicly so much on the horror and the terrible moments of the past though, because that gives the terrorist what they most want. Somehow you have to keep going on despite violence and not be driven into panic or over reaction. They change you they win. Attacking all Arabs/Persians or Muslims and they win again. Or all Germans or all any group.

cliffdweller 06-16-2006 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by David
I was watching all the Ann Coulter videos on youtube--the pros & the cons & all the yapping back & forth, & then it led to this video, which I had never seen before, & I watched it & went Oh my God. It brought that day back in obviously a very immediate, very real way that made all the nattering nabobs & their arguments about politics on all the silly talk shows seem like white noize.


I know that it is important never to forget this tragedy and how Bush basically turned a blind eye to it (hello Iraq!) but yet I can't help but feel footage like this is out there for mainly sensationalist reasons and shouldn't be viewed. But like I said, 9/11 should never be forgotten and those who died should be memorialized. I dunno, there's gotta be a better way.

DavidMn 06-16-2006 04:08 PM

I cant even imagine what he was thinking.:distress:

The Tower 06-16-2006 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
I know that it is important never to forget this tragedy and how Bush basically turned a blind eye to it (hello Iraq!) but yet I can't help but feel footage like this is out there for mainly sensationalist reasons and shouldn't be viewed. But like I said, 9/11 should never be forgotten and those who died should be memorialized. I dunno, there's gotta be a better way.

I think the most importatant thing is to separate the horror from the realities of what happened. The world didn't change on that day. There were horrible terrorist attacks and acts of despicable evil before 09/11, as well as after.

Whoever is/was behind the WTC mess wants people to react based on the horror.

Personally, I think WTC was designed by the neo-cons to enable them to invade Iraq and get away with all the **** they've pulled in the last five years.

Sahara 06-16-2006 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
I think the most importatant thing is to separate the horror from the realities of what happened. The world didn't change on that day. There were horrible terrorist attacks and acts of despicable evil before 09/11, as well as after.

Good point.

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Personally, I think WTC was designed by the neo-cons to enable them to invade Iraq and get away with all the **** they've pulled in the last five years.
I can't believe it's been five years...

Serrart 06-16-2006 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by David
I was watching all the Ann Coulter videos on youtube--the pros & the cons & all the yapping back & forth, & then it led to this video, which I had never seen before, & I watched it & went Oh my God. It brought that day back in obviously a very immediate, very real way that made all the nattering nabobs & their arguments about politics on all the silly talk shows seem like white noize.

I understand it but when possible death should still be surrounded by silence. The person who created the video made of it a number in a circus.

Romy

becca 06-16-2006 09:19 PM

I remember how offended I was stumbling onto still photos of the people who had jumped on Yahoo news. I never went back there either. It is an invasion of privacy in sone way, and yet for those who feel a need to know it should be available even if it means some sick and moronic people might also get some insane enjoyment from such things.

I have enough of an imagination I know I don't need to hear tapes or see film past what I saw the day it happened. It probably sounds shallow, but darn it, I wanted to see those buildings in person someday! They were great buildings regardless of their business purpose. What a society and what a city that could build those. If the Space Needle or CN tower fell over I would miss them too, but at least I got to see those in person. The twin towers stood for so lon g after what happened to them, they even fell in a way that would cause the least harm, because imagine if they had toppled sideways, it would have been thirty or forty blocks of carnage and fires. It could have been so much worse. If only there were parachutes or hang gliders on every floor, etc. etc., but it could have been ten times worse.

HomerMcvie 06-16-2006 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
That video was awful- edited, but awful just the same.

Tower, what I saw wasn't edited. I searched for it on Kazaa, and, UNFORTUNATELY, found it. It showed the whole thing.



Let's quit talking about it(at least I am). It really bothers me remembering it.

carrie721 06-16-2006 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by becca
I remember how offended I was stumbling onto still photos of the people who had jumped on Yahoo news. I never went back there either. It is an invasion of privacy in sone way, and yet for those who feel a need to know it should be available even if it means some sick and moronic people might also get some insane enjoyment from such things.

becca, i remember being really offended when i opened the first edition of newsweek to come out after 9/11 to see a huge 4-page pullout photo of people jumping from the towers; it was such blatant and unnecessary sensationalism that i canceled my subscription.

Mad4stevie 06-17-2006 09:23 AM

I had heard the audio before, but it is much more upsetting to see it matched with the video.

This is terrible, just like the videos of the people jumping to their deaths from the towers.

I also saw the Berg decapitation video, and that was one of the worst things I have EVER seen. It did make me sick to my stomach for several hours. It was terrifying . . . the screaming . . .

estranged4life 06-17-2006 09:37 AM

I would watch this...
 
but I'll pass.

I have heard & seen enough 911 footage to know the end result...Listening to someones last moments in this existence is hard, But watching 'em fall/jump to their end is impossible for me.

Kinda of related to 911-But every NYC firefighter (About 6 of the NYC finest) who arrived in OKC immediately after the Murrah Building attack, To offer help in search/rescue of the victims here, died on 9-1-1.

David 06-17-2006 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by becca
I remember how offended I was stumbling onto still photos of the people who had jumped on Yahoo news. I never went back there either. It is an invasion of privacy in sone way, and yet for those who feel a need to know it should be available

To me, the question of whether particular footage is treated (& viewed) as sensationalism is a related but distinct debate. I'm not yet sure where I stand on this particular footage (& I don't care to watch it again--I watched it just the once). Nevertheless, I am going to stick to my guns. A recording of those events allows us to re-experience the tragedy--even to turn away. It has immense value in preserving the reality, which has been nearly lost amid the political nattering & posturing of the past five years. Should students of American history study the horror of the Civil War--the details of the battles, the casualty numbers, the blood-stained physical artifacts of the soldiers, the photographs of the fields of dead--or should they just study the flowery, jingoistic speeches of the politicians in Washington?
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even if it means some sick and moronic people might also get some insane enjoyment from such things.
I agree. This possibility always exists, but using this sorry fact about human nature to subsume the details of historical events is ideological defacement, in my opinion.

DavidMn 06-17-2006 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life
but I'll pass.

I have heard & seen enough 911 footage to know the end result...Listening to someones last moments in this existence is hard, But watching 'em fall/jump to their end is impossible for me.

Kinda of related to 911-But every NYC firefighter (About 6 of the NYC finest) who arrived in OKC immediately after the Murrah Building attack, To offer help in search/rescue of the victims here, died on 9-1-1.

HOw ironic is that?

becca 06-17-2006 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
HOw ironic is that?

I've also heard that many of the rescuers and firemen at the aftermath of the WTC have serious lung ailments along with a big part of lower Manhattan and Brooklyn. :(

"I yam what I yam and that's all I yam." - Popeye The Sailor

irishgrl 06-17-2006 04:18 PM

as horrible as that video is, Im glad I saw it. time's passage has a way of making people complacent. We should NEVER forget, precisely because it IS horrible. IMO, there isnt a Hell HOT enough for the evil people that did this.
Karma that bad would take a millenium to atone for. :mad:

goldustsongbird 06-17-2006 08:19 PM

.. I don't even know what to say to this.

desertangel 06-17-2006 11:49 PM

It's not so much the video that's chilling (desensitization by media overexposure) but the screaming at the end "Oh God No!!" Up until that point I was doing okay, then it felt like someone punched me in the stomach and a deep sense of dread. I never want to know if that's the same thing I would scream or if I would even be able to scream.

becca 06-18-2006 12:08 AM

Most people's last moments are going to be at least pretty unpleasant. I've been there for a few, will probably be around for a few more. The thing I keep in mind is that in a forty or fifty year life you have probably thirty or fortynine and three quarters decent to good times versus a few minutes, hours, weeks of very bad time, so to dwell on the worst of times when it is not happening yet or already happened is out of proportion. It is a very very ugly thing like a huge kick in the stomach which leaves you feeling hollowed out to be a witness to in any way, and that you fight against obviously, but part of the fight is to go on living besides that or to give what good there is meaning, to make things better somehow.

Just some of my own reflections, maybe they don't make much sense or offer any comfort. Something good should come from even very bad things.

Gypsy-Rhiannon 06-18-2006 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
Tower, what I saw wasn't edited. I searched for it on Kazaa, and, UNFORTUNATELY, found it. It showed the whole thing.



Let's quit talking about it(at least I am). It really bothers me remembering it.

Why on earth did you search for it?


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