Stevie: MySpace is evil.
 

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I'm so glad she posted new ones and said she would do another solo album:blob2: :blob1: Can't wait...she said she was sure she would do one over time:woohoo:

Thanks for posting that Tiff. I was wondering what she was up to upon her return from Aus/NZ so it's nice to hear from her. Sounds like she's relaxing and taking the time to answer some of our questions on her site. Good news to hear she's not totally opposed to doing another solo album like she said a couple of months ago but who knows how long "somewhere down the line" will mean and if it will be new, unreleased material so I'm not getting too excited over here.

In response to her statement about myspace being evil, I guess that means she doesn't frequent Jessie's page too often :laugh:. And IMO myspace CAN be evil! But seriously she is from a different generation so I'm not totally surprised by her statement. I'd love to sit down with her and show her all the "Stevies" on myspace and how people actually think it's her. No wonder she thinks it's evil.

I am shocked she knows what myspace is, and I think that is a pretty fair judgement, and she must know a bit about it to be able to say something like that.

I was surprised that she even knew what a MySpace was.:laugh: Thanks for posting that info Tiff. I guess that she will never answer my question.:shrug:

Great minds think alike Pattie :laugh:

It means she must look at them all. ;) :laugh: :nod:

Her answers suck compared to John :laugh:

Come on now. You have to admit, she is an ardent advocate of Ipods. She could be taking cassette players, or even worse, 8-tracks, to all our brave soldiers. :D

she probably states they are evil as she took a peek...
notice john placed the 'stevie:myspace" disclaimer on the 16th
and as to her answers im not surprised she isnt as open as john...
i mean really...i personally wouldnt give much either based on the
majority of rips she receives when she does. but thats my opinion.

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Thanks for posting those. Those were good. I too am slightly suspicious of myspace. but it has it's pros and cons.. Anyway, good to hear that shes at least got it in her mind to do another album.:thumbsup:

NOT to be a party-poop but I feel that she really does have a very good point. One in five children is solicited for sex online. It's getting to be REALLY bad and in my opinion myspace.com really is getting to be very, very dangerous. I certainly would NEVER let my kids use it (once I have kids).
Old fashioned? Yes, but people who have children who don't die sometimes are.

Sorry to be such a **** about it but it really is getting to be very dangerous.
56,000 adults are online right this very second looking for children to have sex with. What percent of those is a crazy murderer?

I don't understand my friends who have "Myspace" accounts. It seems like a waste of time and rather lame. I admit, I have taken a look at a couple Myspace pages, and it looks so sad! People post pictures of themselves with their best "bedroom eyes" look, which ends up looking pathetic 99% of the time. And then there are all those stories about sexual predators....

And, friends from school will come up to me and say "You'll never believe what _____ said to me on myspace!!!" And I just want to strangle them and say "Are you crazy? It's not even real life!"

To make a long story short, I agree with Stevie! Oh, and yippee about her plans to do an album in the future! :)

apparently, MySpace serves some useful purpose, too. Just the other day, a school massacre was prevented when students reported the plot given on MySpace to the authorities.

One & all breathed a sigh of relief.

Well, yeah, perhaps I should add that it has its good side too, and can even be fun. I think ultimately it's up to the parents or guardians to supervise; but I think she's wise to bring this to people's attention and let them know that the supposed "Stevie" sites on myspace are fake, and that she feels it's dangerous. If you really think about it, maybe this is "Lawsuit City" for her. ( ANYTHING is Lawsuit City, after all... )

I kinda get the impression Stevie "rifles off" some of these responses kind of quickly (dictating them to Karen or someone, I suppose) and doesn't exactly spend 5 hours thinking about how to phrase things 100% correctly.

Nice of her to do this at all, though - nothing like that on Madonna's website, for example.

Anyway though, I can certainly understand somebody from Stevie's "age group" being down on something like myspace and seeing the negative a lot more than the positive - being 57 it's probably something that wouldn't interest her in the FIRST place so she probably sees the bad more than the good. I betcha her Dad wasn't too keen on this "Color TV" stuff at first - letting X-RAYS into the HOUSE!? Not MY house!!! (etc.)

I admit sometimes technology is a bother...but without it none of us would have all the demos we have :blob1: Well....most of mine were still on cassette and cd, come on!! :laugh: However, and this is just my humble opinion....I do think myspace is dangerous.....it has been in the news recently for a reason....also....I know people who have an account/page and say that people are creepy who send them messages...I know some people use it as it was intended; to find old friends, etc..etc...but, I agree with "Diamondsnake" in that it is soo lame and a waste of time for most kids. I am a teacher, and the smarter more advanced students are the ones who have the t-shirts that make fun of my space :laugh: I am a child of the 70's and I agree with Stevie often about technology...I don't think it's necessarily a thing with HER generation ;)

and for those that arent reported
ONE & ALL RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! :nod:

Yes, and the overwhelming majority of sexual abuse against children is committed in their own homes by a parent or relative. It's Internet predators that get the most media attention, though. Of course abuse & predation is tragic and should not happen under any circumstances! Not saying there's no danger, but that's true of anything online. Parents should talk to their kids and supervise net usage to some degree. And yes, if you're so absorbed that you conflate MySpace with real life, and sit at your computer all day, then that's kinda sad and you should probably find another hobby. Sadly there are a lot of people that fit the "MySpace stereotype" who do nothing but take pictures of themselves from a billion angles and fill their pages with giant blinking crap :laugh:. If it's not your bag, that's cool, but not everyone who uses it is a predator or social retard. Some find it a convenient way to discover independent music and keep up with people they don't necessarily see/talk to/e-mail with on a regular basis. Honestly, the technology and general idea behind it is not that different from this or any other message board... it just depends what you do with it. Just sayin'.

(By the way, I'm not ragging on Stevie for disapproving. I agree that she has a point. In general I think people would do well to spend a little less time online and a little more time outside or doing other stuff. Myself included, sometimes! ;) I just thought the statement "they are evil" was funny.)

:D Well said Tiff :thumbsup:

MySpace has also gotten alot of bad press lately my bet is that is where she picked up on the "stranger danger" at my space.

I do have children a 16 girl and a 12 boy; in my house MySpace and chats like those found on yahoo ect are off limits (special interest one's like for my daughter who is way into current events/politics its alright on occasion) IM's are ok but I monitor that heavily.....SO I agree with Stevie here.

I also wonder if that whole thing on the nicksfix saying she does not have a site isnt regarding some larger incident...didn't the stroke rumor start there?

I think MySpace is fun. That being said, I think it's creepy, too. If I were Stevie and saw people posing as me, and others believing it, I'd think it was pretty evil, too. I doubt she's talking about sexual predators, but I could be wrong.

hmm i remember there was a pot up about myspace but i dont remembmer what it was about.... i dont know what this myspace is... Was someone impersonating her???

anywho i went to this myspace and did a seach on stevie nicks and saw this pic on someones page.... all iw ant to know is why haven't i seen this pic before...

http://www.myspace.com/the_gypsy_that_remains

I think Stevie has a problem with the kind of social interaction it can create as well, ie: you can talk to someone in America better than you can talk to your neighbour.

I am pretty sure that idea is consistent with something Stevie has said before about Jessica always being stuck in front of the computer, I just can't remember exactly where I read it though.

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I use the internet to feed my music addiction/habit, And without it I would never have found all the goodies I own (ie-Bootleg collection) as easily as I have....Yes, I own cassettes too!

I have never participated on myspace, so I am clueless to what is going on over there, though I hear about it (Negatively of course) on TV on a near daily basis. I do know that all my online friends/enemies :lol: are over here on the Ledge, So why else would I need to head over to myspace? Hell, I am nearly frikkin' 36 years old...I dont relate well to the younger crowd online whatsoever.

I'm not surprised Stevie has heard about myspace. It's been posted on her "official" website that she does not have a myspace. I'm sure she has been made aware of this, especially to make sure a comment about that is on her site.

A friend and I have laughed and called myspace evil, more as a joke. Mostly because their are a lot of perverts on there (men and women). It's so lame it's funny. But then the world is filled with pervs and other less than desirable losers, internet or not.

Here's the thing with me. I dont think its evil, however there have been several incidents of students falsely starting sites in the names of their teachers accusing them of being anything from nazi's to child molesters. Very bad.

If you won't, then I will. I think it's time Madame Nicks stopped insulting Internet users. She & her former fan-mail lady & others in her circle have been doing this since I've been online (c. early 1990s).

Some of my friends don't like or use the Internet, either. But they don't, out of ignorance of the whole scene, stand there & pronounce the entire culture depraved. Nicks has some sort of weird ax to grind with regard to the Net & its users, & I wish she'd work through it already & move on to another crusade.

where specifically has she stated any of this david?

Who says she's ignorant? She's got a teenager nearby, I bet Jessie knows exactly what MySpace is. And even then so, who's to say Stevie doesn't like to do some surfing herself?

Btw, I don't think a dig at MySpace is directly a dig to the entire internet. I share her opinions regarding the music business and the internet. If the internet screwed up one thing, it's that.

I couldnt agree more with your last statement.:nod:

For some reason, I get the feeling that Stevie isn't the person who is directly responding to the questions. I sense that, perhaps, she gives verbal answers to an assistant who then regurgitates them into terse, edited responses.

But then again, as chatty as Stevie often is, she can be very guarded. Her responses in various interviews sometimes land with a thud.

John is a surprisingly open, warm, humble and unpretentious man, which comes across so genuinely in his answers. His responses -- so off-the-cuff and honest -- make me feel almost like I'm sitting with a friend...just sharing a little conversation.

Sure, I wish that Stevie's responses have the same qualities as John's. It just goes to show how distinct their personalities are from each other.

The Internet hasn't "screwed up" the music business any more than the printing press "screwed up" the publishing industry. The Internet is opening up whole new worlds of opportunities for musicians who otherwise might never have a chance to be noticed or get their music out to the public. Just because the embittered monks in the cloisters of the major record labels are pissing and moaning because nobody wants to buy their over-priced gilded manuscripts of crap anymore doesn't mean the music business is "screwed up." And if it is, it's their own fault. Greedy, reactionary record company executives are the enemy here, not the Internet.

^^^^ :thumbsup:

I respectfully disagree. Nobody complained about greedy record company executives before music was available for free. Sure, you might have thought that LP's and CD's were expensive, but everybody dutifully ran to the store to buy them anyway. And what are they to do these days but increase prices when the profits continue to decrease? It's a whole messed up circle, and yes, I still blame the internet for that ever happening. Nobody listens to albums anymore, nobody is lying on the ground smoking dope thinking about what their next record their going to buy is (thanks, Stevie). She's completely right when she says it's all fragmented these days, it comes and goes, like a fast roller coaster.

Another point of view. I manage a videostore, and 7 years ago, when I just started working there, business was blooming. Nowadays I am wondering if I will still have a job in 6 months. And I swear, every time a person comes walking in and doesn't rent a DVD because 'they have downloaded them all from the internet already', I want to bitch slap them.

I just wonder when she became so closed to anything new or different. It's not just myspace. I think a lot of us have noticed it in her comments lately.
I also thought she could have given a much better answer to Chris's question. We've come to expect the short answers from her though.

Are you kidding? Where've you been? People have been complaining about greedy record company executives for years, particularly since the advent of CDs. Charging between seventeen and twenty dollars or Euro for a disc that costs a mere pittance to manufacture, remarkably little profit from the sale of which goes to artists, is beyond greedy.

Uh, lowering their prices would be a good start, actually. When your profits are down and you're losing customers, raising prices is absolutely the last thing you ought to do.

Adopting new business models to take advantage of all of the possibilities the Internet has to offer wouldn't be a terrible idea either. The number of songs and albums being purchased and downloaded from legal online music stores grows more rapidly every day.

Or how about this for a crazy idea: start nurturing artists with talent and potential for longevity, instead of pushing dispoable crap to the top of the charts for a week while offering virtually no support to artists who don't immediately perform commercially. All of the consumer polls that the major labels and the RIAA have done over the past few years have indicated that people are willing to pay reasonable prices for music they think is worthwhile, but more and more people feel that the music getting the most publicity is getting crappier and crappier.

There are loads of obvious solutions for how the major labels can fix their failing business models and win back consumers, but none of them are interested in hearing it. It's just as well. They'll go the way of the dinosaur soon enough, and we'll have plenty of smaller and independent labels, along with Internet-based companies, who will know how to meet their consumers' desires.

Everybody, huh?

Nobody, huh?

The fragmentation of popular music has nothing to do with the Internet. It started happening long ago. I'm sure Stevie would like to remember the mid-70s as one big ol' party where everybody was unified by good ol' rock & roll, but nothing could be further from the truth. Even then, popular music was moving far away from the over-arching umbrella of pop/rock: punk, soul, disco, rap, new wave, funk, prog... and that's all before the beginning of the 80s.

Threadjack...
 

Amen to yer post!!!! If the music industry wants to blame the internet for sagging sales, fine...But the music industry exects were screwing the industry up long before the internet & music swapping existed.

I guess it is easier for the exects to place blame elsewhere instead of at the reflection in the mirror.

Thank God for half.com & eBay...That is how I purchase nearly all me music needs nowadays (I say about 80% of my purchases). On the rare occassion when I purchase new releases I purchase directly through smaller music labels (ie-Century Media; Never had to pay more than $10 for a new release, which includes shipping...Plus they always include free promo swag)

That's what I said, yet still people bought them. Who was the fool?

I know there was a reason I flunked Marketing in college.

Now this we agree on. It's exactly what I was saying that things have become too fragmented. Real talent doesn't have a chance anymore these days, unless you have a big commercial radio hit, big boobs or whatever else people go for nowadays. Music is all about image now, instead of the music. Perhaps you're right when you say the internet has little to do with that, that's a whole other discussion, but it brought forth a whole new culture, and the two are very entwined. You can go back to the 80's indeed and say 'video killed the radio star', I guess that's where it all started.

I apologize for generalizing.

And it's not just Stevie. Everybody (or should I say 'most people'?) looks back at the 70's as one big dope smoking party, and I've heard a lot of people say they'd like to go back to that, at least music wise, if they had a choice. Music still meant something back then, and with it came all the charms that are just lost nowadays.

And people still buy them.

No, real talent does have a chance these days, precisely because of the Internet. Bands are able to get their music out to a surprisingly large public without relying on major record labels. Not only are there dozens of websites dedicated to giving underground musical talent more exposure, and writing intelligent, detailed music reviews and criticism that are available to the public at no cost, but there's also the fact that nearly every band these days has its own website or MySpace page where they can expose the world to their music.

EDIT: In case you'd like a good example. Look at a band like Wilco. They recorded Yankee Hotel Foxtrot in 2001 and were promptly dropped by their wonderful label - Reprise, of course - because it wasn't commercial enough. Now, instead of dicking around for half a decade and then putting the songs on a Fleetwood Mac album, they just put the album up online while they looked for a new contract. All of their fans had the ability to listen to this album for free for nearly a year. Eventually, the band signed with Nonesuch - ironically enough, a subsidiary of Reprise - and released the album in 2002 with only very minor changes. Why would anybody go out and buy this album that had been available for free on the evil Internet for nearly a year? I don't know, but the album has since gone gold. It's the best-selling album of their career, and it's widely regarded among most critics as one of the best albums of the decade so far. Some people even have the audacity to claim that the online buzz surrounding the band's label troubles and their decision to make the album available for free through their website actually helped sales.

Hell no, it started well before that. Beatlemania had at least as much to do with mop tops and matching suits as it did with "I Wanna Hold Your Hand."

You shouldn't even say most people. Lots of folks still remember that the 70s were filled with a whole lot of ****ty music that was all over the top of the charts. It was no better or worse than today in that regard. Here's a list of some number one songs of the year to jog your memory a bit:

1973: Tony Orlando & Dawn, "Tie A Yellow Ribbon"
1974: Barbra Streisand, "The Way We Were"
1975: Glen Campbell, "Rhinestone Cowboy"
1976: Rod Stewart, "Tonight's The Night (Gonna Be Alright)"
1977: Debby Boone, "You Light Up My Life"
1978: Bee Gees, "Night Fever"

Yes, truly it was a golden age. It's a real shame nobody's turning out hits like these anymore.

Look at the year 1979. This is the year of Tusk, of London Calling, of Fear of Music. And incredible year for popular music, right? And who had the top ten singles? Chic, The Knack, Rod Stewart, The Village People, Donna Summer (twice), Gloria Gaynor, Robert John, KC & The Sunshine Band, The Bee Gees and Peaches & Herb.

Music still means something now. Go to any music festival and you'll see dozens of great bands pouring their heart and soul into really fantastic music, with thousands of people crowding around the stage experiencing the rapture of seeing one of their favorite bands put on a kickass concert. Walk down the street and you'll see dozens of people completely lost in the world of their iPod, rocking out to whatever strikes their fancy. Music means as much to people now as it ever did. It's just different music, and people are listening to it and loving it in different ways. Meanwhile you just sound bitter and old in a way that you probably told yourself in the 70s you never would, when your parents said the same thing about the music culture that you loved then that you're saying now about today.