9/11 Conspiracy Theory
 

Sheen Airs 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

Actor Charlie Sheen refuses to accept the official explanation behind the terrorist atrocities of September 11, 2001, and believes the US government covered up what really happened. Conspiracy theorist Sheen claims New York City's Twin Towers fell as the result of a "controlled demolition." Talking on US radio program The Alex Jones Show on the GGN network, he said, "It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box-cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 per cent of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions. A couple of years ago, it was severely unpopular to talk about any of this. It feels like from the people I talk to, and the research I've done and around my circles, it feels like the worm is turning." Sheen also cast doubt over the plane that smashed into the side of the Pentagon in Washington DC. He added, "Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers... It is up to us to reveal the truth. It is up to us because we owe it to the families, we owe it to the victims, we owe it to everyone's life who was drastically altered, horrifically, that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened."



Not that Charlie Sheen is any more special then anyone else and it is his belief and opinion, but do any of you here tend to think 9/11 wasn't exactly what was told to us?

Don't worry, no one will think you're a subversive.

That's an interesting point about the twin towers - they did IMplode, rather than EXplode.

My husband has serious thoughts about this. He read a book (and saw a documentary related to the book) about it and has been convinced ever since. I'll find out the name of the book later.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/me....php#Preloader

This videos been circling around the interweb for a few years. Its creepy, but I don't know if I totally belive it. If the quotes in it were from magazines and newspapers, wouldn't you think there would have been stories about this theory?

There is a conspiracy alright...
 

, a conspiracy to write more books in lew (sp) of money.

I don't worry about 911 conspiracies as I do about those involving the April 19,1995 Murrah bombing in OKC (My new attorney's office overlooks part of the Murrah site in downtown OKC...A daily reminder for those in his law office who happen to remember than day.)

I have watched the "A Call to Reopen the Sept.11 Investigation" DVD (Courtesy of reopen911.org) and most of what is shown seems very plausible, But at the some time some things seem rather "Wishful thinking"....But isnt that what makes "conspiracies" so interesting?

I just dont think that's the way it happend like Charlie Sheen says. Sometimes these actors should keep their mouth shut I think.

Johndoe
 

Thanks for that link. I've seen similar videos, but not that particular one. Very interesting stuff. I am SO a conspiracy theorist...I used to watch The X-Files. :laugh:

Trust No One.

I disagree my dear....I can VERY much see this being a dark plot by the neocons to jump start their agenda. Ive got that CD from that site, (www.reopen911.org dont click on it, its not working for some reason!) and I appreciate the guts that Charlie Sheen is showing by speaking out. I especially appreciate him speaking out because he is a celebrity and people pay attention to celebrities.....Good for him I say...

ok, I was going to post the link so people could get their own free DVD, but I think its closed. instead, here is an affiliated link that has quite a bit of resources including downloads etc
Scholars for 911 Truth

Some conspiracy theories I tend to believe, others I don't.

Kennedy, sure. The Warren commission report had more holes than a string vest.

Diana? No doubt for me, the woman was out of control and that was the result. Unfortunately I mentioned this was going to happen 3 months before it did and everybody thought I was nuts, I even said it would be a car crash to look legitimate... There you go..

This one is rubbish IMO. The buildings didn't implode or get demolished, the only thing to dispute this is that the clean up team was allegedly in place two days before the event... They fell exactly as they were designed to do in a catastrophic situations. They collapsed on their own footprint. If you look at the designs and blueprints of those buildings modern skyscraper architects will tell you they were flawed. There was a documentary here in the UK solely on the design and its flaws. The emergency stairs were all in the same areas of the buildings and not in, say, the four corners to give alternative routes meaning those above the impact were trapped with no escape.

The buildings were designed to withstand an impact from a plane but not the heat of the fuel burning. The iron structure should have been sprayed with a special fire resistant foam. As I recall there were issues in this area and the framework basically melted. I'm amazed they stayed intact for as long as they did and a lot of people owe their lives to that fact.

Now if you are asking me who did it and who green lighted this attack then there are many arguements. Who is to gain? Who benefits the most? Who gets the publicity? There's an arguement it was government lead, it's entirely concievable, there's the Al Qaeda theory which is the one that is most believed then there are others too. There's more than just a few radical muslim factions that wanna hurt the USA and its economy too.. I have no idea who did it. The only thing I believe is it wouldn't have happened on Clinton's watch.

oh YE of LITTLE FAITH LOL!

I can burn you a copy of my DVD (I think) because in this case I think you are w.r.o.n.g. sorry. The strongest evidence for me was the size of the alleged hole. From what Ive seen, the "hole" should have been larger considering we're talking about a jumbo jet...there are other issues too......

Im not much of a conspiracy theorist, but in Diana's case and the re: Twin Towers, Im sorry, but I think there is more than meets the eye.

PS: if you want a copy of my DVD (assuming I can burn one for you), you will need to provide the blank.

well, it almost did.............we got lucky.
but I think that Clinton would have handled things much better than Monkey Boy, I think that goes without saying.....

Hmmm.....
 

The '93 bombings of the WTC happened on Clinton's watch....as did OKC.

People shouldn't be told to keep their mouth shut, particularly in regards to such important matters. I was just reading a quote in which Hitler was talking about people just like you

In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted …they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie… It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.

It's not just crazy people, Professor David Griffin makes excellent points, you should take these people into consideration.

The Scholars for 9/11 Truth noted that steel melts at a temperature higher than that which fire caused by jet fuel can even reach.

What confuses me is the change of command for scrambling jets in June of 2001 to leave the Secretary of Defense as the only person able to prevent attacks. He who was about the only person in the world not informed in the 52 minutes notice they had, he who was in a meeting at the Pentagon itself was unable to command the interception. The Secretary of Transportation's testimony of him directly commanding an interception not to take place was left out of the Commission Report. I don't know what I believe but it's not implausible at all, Hitler's statement rings so true and people should not be accused of being crazy, it feeds fascism.

thank you for pointing out info from a site I posted/
I realize that not everyone wil accept this info but it should be OUT THERE.

Precisely. So, having that in mind, why were partially evaporated steel members and molten steel found in the debris of WTC 7? Because it was demolished. Burning diesel can't melt steel. Larry Silverstein, the man who ran that particular complex, even told PBS that it was demolished by both him and the FDNY the afternoon of 9/11. Isn't it odd that WTC 7 fell at freefall speed when the fires in the building were practically minimal and not evenly distributed enough to make it collapse like that? The official story is WTC 1's collapse started the fires in WTC 7, fires which caused WTC 7 to collapse, so how could they have had time, especially amongst all of the chaos, to rig it so perfectly and demolish it in a matter of a few hours? A building cannot be rigged for demolition like that in such a short period of time, it had to have been done beforehand.

Joooosssshhhhhh! :D

I for one am rather intrigued by this kind of ****. Scary and sick as it is.

Along with numerous others' Professor David Griffin's speech and research gives me the chills. To take into account the fires he mentions such a Madrid and see that steel frame structure standing, that doesn't yet go so far as to suggest who is responsible (other sections of his research go into that) but in so far as how the building collapsed regardless of who did it, well it is almost impossible that it was not controlled demolition. To imagine that WTC 7 collapsed because of two fires on seperate floors is seemingly impossible. The other most peculiar aspect is the rate of the fall of all 3 buildings, the structures fell as the same rate as the debri and common physics would tell you that free falling objects fall at greater speed than obstructed objects, which the towers would have been had it not been controlled demolition. They fell at free fall speed and central steel beams disappeared, not only that, it was denied they were even there to begin with. David Griffin explains it far better than I could...it freaks me out because we're fed one theory so predominantly that it becomes tunnel vision but the evidence pointing to other theories is so overwhelming. These aren't crazy ideas and I go back to that statement of Hitler's.

I always laugh...
 

at how Bill Clinton told then Oklahoma governor Frank Keating on April 19,1995 "We will get the Muslim terrorists who are responsible" for the Murrah Building Bombing, But then later that day what was said was due "lack of communication"...Kinda odd that memos were sent to 'some' Federal employees just days before April 19,1995 stating that there is "credible info on a possible terrorist attack" coming on April 19 (The memo said something along the lines of "if at possible avoid being at your place of employment the morning of April 19th"), but yet noone ever tipped off those inside the Murrah Building (Though a Federal Judge in OKC kept his memo as proof this did indeed occur, Considering the OKC Federal Court building is across the street from the Murrah Building...Neither the US government nor the State of Oklahoma ever called this judge to testify about this notice, So he went public on the local TV stations.)

Interesting...It was never explained during Terry Nichols vs. the State of Oklahoma trial why so many eye witnesses saw Tim McVeigh in the passenger seat of the Ryder truck in downtown OKC while a person of "olive color skinned" was behind the wheel of the same Ryder truck (The drawing of John Doe #2 is too errie similar to known "Enemy Combatant Jose Padilla", I mean I believe in coincidences and all, But ****!!! Seems really freaky...And when the public first became familiar with Jose Padilla EVERYONE in OKC freaked!!! Oh, for ya conspiracy buffs, Terry Nichols ex-wife Lana's maiden name is Padilla :eek: )

I remember clearly hearing the APB call on April 19 over the local TV airways to be on the lookout for several "Muslim looking men" seen leaving a parking lot near the Journal Records Building immediately after the bombing. No clue as to who those persons were has ever been made public (Even though there were 100+ credible witnesses who saw those guys leaving downtown OKC in a Brown Ford F-150 at a high rate of speed...Getting from downtown OKC to either I-40 or I-35 takes only about 3-4 minutes and then you have clear sailing in any direction.)

McVeigh's death sentence took any possible info on others with him...Remember, McVeigh did not fight his death sentence, He took his pending death as that of a "martyr"...Nichols acknowledges his part, but is very "vague" and says there was "no others" who participated besides McVeigh & Michael Fortier. I just cant grasped that McVeigh & Nichols (Fortier had "knowledge only of what Tim & Terry were planning...I didnt believe they were serious at all") alone did orchestrate an act that caused that much damage.

Another interesting conspiracy is that Terry Nichols stayed at the same hotel as 911 hijacker/mastermind Atta in the Phillipines in early 1995 (Supposedly on the same exact day)...The US government said that was an coincidence, But it is a known fact that the Phillipines is a haven for terrorists and could Nichols have been there meeting with those known terror cells to learn their trick of the trade in how to topple a building with a fertlizer bomb? Could Nichols have been plotting with Atta? Who knows...Nichols said he was there "looking for a new mail order bride".

Oh, this isnt a conspiracy, this is indeed an interesting fact...Used to be that every year at the Myriad Convention Center in downtown OKC there would be the largest convention that gathered Muslims from around the US and even outside the US, And this convention would consist of alot of "sabre rattling" and how the Muslims of the world can kill those who oppress them. They would publicly at these conventions talk about how to spread their reig of terror around the world. I remember being sickened when I saw a reporter detail these going ons when he sneaked inside this convention with a hidden camera & a wire and record what was going on...Those inside would have been OBL's wet-dream. I wished I remembered the reporters name, But I do recall seeing part of his expose recently on "Discovery Times Channel" during a broadcast relating to 9-11.

Another odd tidbit, Is that the 20th 911 hi-jacker Moussaoui learned his flying at a local air school in Norman, OK...Recently the local newscasts have showed that his former college roommate (From OU) testified against Moussaoui at his trial in exchange for "total immunity from being prosecuted".

Oh, one more thing...Did you hear about this student from OU, this past late summer/early fall, Who blew himself up across from the football stadium (During the OU/Kansas State game no less...The stadium was sold out with 78,000+ fans) with a homemade bomb? Some thought he was going to head to the game and detonate the device, but instead if misfired...The local officials thought it was a possible suicide, but his students Father said his son wasnt unhappy/depressed since he just converted to being a Muslim (And I know that not all Muslims are terrorists so I'm not judging anyone, So dont start with me ok? :thumbsup: )...Weird **** if you ask me.

Ah, conspiracies...Interesting crap!!!

Yes, but 9/11 happened under W's watch and those same people so willing to point the finger at Clinton are absent in the finger pointing at W for his failure. I mean what is good for the goose . . . . :shrug:

But, the planes hit that building :shrug: And - every credible expert,including the man who designed the building, says the jet fuel conbined with the weakening force of the impact caused the jarred internal supports to melt and fail. I mean I am all for the US through its policies caused 9/11, but to say the WTC had sone sort of nepharious internal conbustion other than the jets is off my radar?

On edit - I would put nothing past the Bush II administration - in fact I despise them.

Also - I adore you

Firstly, it's not far fetched at all. There are numerous points which are peculiar to say the least. The free fall rate of the structure is one. Secondly, planes hit WTC 7? It was claimed to have fallen due to two fires on different levels, 47 storeys of building collapsing.

Seriously, we've been fed one theory from the beginning and anything different seems like a crazy conspiracy, they're not crazy, they're very plausible (actually far more plausible than the original theory, or conspiracy I'd say). Try to watch some of the video I linked to before, there is are some points that should be taken seriuosly, theories that are not crazy, and if people who question what happened are automatically considered lunatics then that reflects more on those who label them.

I would have to agree with that statement. I don't believe a "conspiracy" in the way the building came down. It's physics and chemistry. The Pentagon "aircrash" is bull****. Never believed that myself. No chance of it happening. You can see from the debris and impact zone it's just not the case. Add to that the only footage of impact, which was dodgy at best, especially the "impact" which was missed by the camera. :rolleyes:

I would think it's very possible there is government involvement. You are gonna get issues like this every few decades. It's a business issue. The US defense business is massive. Several high profile companies need an excuse for business, basically war. War is the best business model there is. You can argue one of the benefits of Kennedy's assasination was full scale involvement in Vietnam after Johnson's go ahead and the prosperity of certain companies as a result. If the US economy needs an industrial or job boost then just go out and make a war.

Certainly an attack on America would promote a reaction towards whoever provoked it. Al Qaeda, Afanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, or North Korea. One or more of them. Hell tie them all into the "war on terror" and you get public authorisation to go out and create wars in the name of "Good" or indeed "God". I think it's very likely that there was government involvement.

I personally don't believe Bush knew about it until it happened. The guy is a fool, an idiot and a figurehead. You only need to look at his reaction in that Florida school. He didn't know what to do and was herded out eventually insead of making a decision. It's entirely possible the Secretary Of Defense knew and indeed the Joint Chiefs Of Staff too. But, they needed his authorisation to proceed with a war. This whole conspiracy may have been aimed purely at him in order to sign off a war on "terror"

What this attack did was give the USA unlimited excuses to attack "threats" to its interests. It does seem very convenient doesn't it? America cannot live without oil and if you need something to survive you are gonna do whatever to get it.

The trouble is, and I'm not being anti-American here. America is just no good at fighting wars. They have the best equipment in the world and the biggest war budgets but they can't fight. Probably because in some cases (Iraq and Vietnam) the soldiers have no idea why they are there. If you look at the wars they have been involved in they just can't win. All style and no content. So even with unlimited resources and power they can't beat those adversaries that have a reason to fight. People fighting against American takeover of their countries.

Many countries hate the US and its policies because they can see through the excuses. I'm sure a lot of Americans overseas have been treated less than properly, especially tourists.

Don't blame these people, they don't know any better. America has an empire right now and they are hated as a result. Don't worry though. Like the British, we were hated throughout the world when we had an empire, as were the Romans. When you lose it everybody loves you again. China will find that out too eventually. :wavey:

I seem to recall a program on this issue (PBS I think) where a demolition expert said the buildings fell precisely as they would if they were rigged with dynamite. if you placed explosives at key stress points (and the experts would know where) and remove the internal bracing, the building would collapse in a spectacular fashion as we have seen. Maybe someone was hired to do the dirty deed and then made to disappear?

I dont know what Bush knew about WTC or when he knew it because lets face it, madformac is right, Monkey Boy is a bumbler. Having said that, however, I can firmly believe he would embrace ANYTHING that would advance his agenda to get his hands on Iraq's oil. So, as I said before, I can very easily believe the neocons concocting this dastardly plot to jumpstart their nefarious agenda...seemingly with public support because now, the dirty bastids DARED to attack Americans on home soil....oh very clever plot indeed....

there is an artricle by David Ray Griffin Why the Official Account cant be True and James E. Jones Why indeed did WTC buildings collapse? you can access by going here

No plane ever hit WTC 7.

The 1993 bombings took place on February 26, 1993. Clinton had been in office for four weeks.

WTC 7 collapsed perfectly and fell at freefall speed. The uneven fires in the building could not have caused that to happen to a 47-story building like that, let alone a fire-protected steel building; one would have to be an incredible fool to believe that it collapsed due to those fires. Larry Silverstein says it didn't; he says it was demolished. I believe him, but I also believe it was rigged with explosives before 9/11. There's no way they would have had the time to pull off such an incredible controlled demolition in such a short period of time.

Yes thats correct. You have to assume that whoever bombed the WTC in '93 knew one of two things. 1) the explosion in 1993 was not anywhere near enough to bring down the building and was more than likely a politically motivated issue possibly to destabilize the new government and maybe even to push Clinton into a "war on terror" against Al Qaeda, with this not being the case and Clinton resisting the urge for all out war it is concievable the same trick was pulled early in George W Bush's term but making sure the result was much larger, and of course with the increased stupidity of George Jr. Think about the timing of both bombings. Both within 8 months of election and both on the same landmark of American trade and democracy.

or 2) If it really was Al Qaeda then it would have been planned with the feeling Bush Snr was going to get a second term. I don't buy this theory because they would have pulled the attack. I just get a feeling Clinton was not seen as a "war president" or a man more interested in his own ideals than world affairs. W's daddy is a clever man. He's a "made man" within the intelligence community and knew exactly what he was doing. Jnr is an idiot and Daddy and his cronies still run the White House IMHO.

This is freaky & weird, diss. All those people ... sacrificed, possibly, for the War Lord.

This is like a scenario out of an old Kurosawa movie, in which the Bushido code has been violated.

We would need plenty of engineers & physicists to come to a widely accepted conclusion as to the exact effect gravitational acceleration had on the building collapses.

How wild!! To think that our administration, crooked as they are, would have murdered thousands for political objectives! This is Machiavellian--like Shakespeare's "Richard III." I think this will be Oliver Stone's next movie.

What is that? Is that 9.8 meters per second squared (9.8/m/s^2)?

Minus friction, right? What is the friction on that material at that elevation & at that velocity, in mathematical terms?

Oh my god ... this will get the whole crew not only impeached but tried for murder!! :blob2: :blob2: :blob1: :thumbsup:

Yep...
 

kinda odd that only 1 camera caught the "impact" of the pentagon...Yet on the DVD of "A Call to Reopen the Sept.11 Investigation" there is shown slow motion footage of what appears to be a "con-trail" of a missle trailing behind the impact of where the airlines jet impacted (In the same exact footage taken by that one lone camera.)


Also, Dont anyone other than me, find it odd that only 1 camera showed the Ryder truck approaching the Murrah Building. That "lone" camera was located down the block inside the Regency Towers highrise apartment building and that camera showed the truck from an angle where you cannot tell who was behind the wheel...Yet during the trial for both McVeigh (Federal) & Nichols (State) their defense both called on the US government to provide video closed circuit footage that showed the Ryder truck exploding, And the US government denied any such footage existed...BUT, the GSA who ran/controlled the Murrah building said they had about 18 cameras which showed all activity in/around the building and several did catch the actual bombing, But yet that footage "mysteriously" dissappearred.

I wonder why it dissappearred? Could it be because a former US Air Force expert in weapon ordinances, Said the "seismic" record of that actual event showed that something larger caused the destruction of the Murrah building.

The seismic record showed 2 large blips that occurred possibly near milli-seconds apart...Indicating that something first exploded, then another explosion occurred immediately afterwards. Even the survivors inside the building stated that they heard/felt a small rumble from the front of the building, which caught their attention then a bigger explosion occurred.

The former US Air Force expert believes some type of missle/"warhead" was fired across the street at the Journal Records Building parking lot (Where the "Survivor Tree" is located) that hit the Ryder truck causing the bigger explosion. The damage to the Journal Records parking lot was absolute, 1 person died there from the damage of the blast.

There was plenty of rescuers who saw men in protective "white suits" walking around the wreckage with "Geiger counters"...Even a decorated OKC police officer saw these men and asked what they were doing, they replied "We work for the FBI, this is none of your concern." This officer even reported this occurrence to his commanding officers who also could not get an answer from the FBI on this event.

Sadly, about a year later this same police officer ended his life with a "self-inflicted wound" in a empty field in a town 20 miles away (Weird that this officer constantly was asking the government about what he saw and the government never gave a clue...And why would a man who was supposed to be on his way home to "spend the day playing video games with his son" suddenly feel the need to end his life?)

Oh, one more morbid tidbit...After the Murrah building remains were imploded, there was a leg recovered in the wreckage (Found inside a camouflaged military style pant leg...It was separated at the hip from whoevers body it belonged to) that has never been traced back to its owner (The OKC M.E. tried tracking the leg to all the dead and injured, and noone had a missing limb that matched the leg that was discovered.).

This and the missing video tape (possibly) showing the driver has always bothered me about the OKC bomibing.

exactamundo. the Neocons dont CARE about sheep lives.

I was tempted to say its up to you guys to vote them out next time but considering the somewhat dubious surroundings with the last two election results that probably won't work either.. :shrug:

Any eyewitness...
 

of the "real driver" of the Ryder truck (Remember, there were over 100+ credible eyewitnesses who saw McVeigh in the Ryder truck as a passenger and a "olive skinned" man behind the wheel...The government NEVER called a single one of these witnesses to testify in the trials for both McVeigh & Nichols.)

When Jose Padilla was first made known nationally, the eyewitnesses to seeing the driver of the Ryder truck immediately were shocked:



http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/padillaJD2.html

Even the witnesses at the Ryder Rental store in Kansas said there were sure it was Padilla with McVeigh and not some "caucasian" local soldier that our government said was mistaken for John Doe #2 at the same rental store the same day but he was by himself.

As for the leg, it was never claimed (How does one claim their leg anyways :shrug: ) and it was buried in an "unmarked grave".

Our country has been co-opted by the Neocons. no detail is too small, and no lie is to big to tell. We've got the evidence that both elections were rigged, but again, nothing is being done. To make matters worse, the Feds have mandated that all elections be electronic, and my County just approved a whole contingent of Diebold machines. I forsee a HUGE switch to absentee votes because I havent heard anything but anger and disgust about this development, no one trusts Diebold. (granted, they are just boxes, but I think the rest of the pieces of the puzzle --programmers, software, vote readers etc are capable of being corrupted AND put in place when the need arises). California has been a blue state and a thorn in the Rethug's side now for some time. The latest foray to influence vote outcomes (retired judges to decide district boundries) failed Thank GAWD! but I dont think thats the last we're going to see of these types of shady underhanded tricks.....

Here's a good site: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html

Under the "WTC Collapse" link, there is video of the WTC-7 collapse. Plus quotes about Guiliani saying it was a diesel tank explosion, in opposition to a couple of guys who admitted it was purposely demolished with explosives because it was unsafe, in opposition to the official story of the fires from the main WTC collapse causing it. Did you all know that WTC-7 housed IRS records and (I think) certain FBI files related to prominent cases? Plus, that supposedly PCs recovered from the collapse showed hundreds of millions of dollars of illegal financial transactions right before the attack started?

There is also a good page for the Pentagon attack analysis. The guy who runs this page thinks it actually did happen (and has pic evidence posted), and the missile/commuter plane/USAF jet theories were floated to purposely make everyone look like *crazy* conspiracy nuts (as opposed to intelligent, thoughtful conspiracy investigators) and discredit them.

I'm not sure what I actually think - there are too many missing pieces, not to mention overlapping ones. And what if all this conspiracy info is bogus and intended as misdirection (see conspiracy nut comment above). I don't believe we've gotten the actual story, however, and doubt we ever will. Just like any other major scandal that has ever happened in this or any other country.

It is a good site...
 

I was going to post some interesting articles from their website n regards to the OKC Bombing, When I saw that you posted info on 911/WTC

Anyways, here is the link to some interesting "seismic" info on OKC:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...ICS/OK/ok.html

Oh, speaking of WTC 7, Dont anyone think that with the collapse of WTC 7 that the lease holder of the property would benefit from its demise? Knock it down and make more money off of it through a claim!

Here is a really good article that illustrates California's part in this whole elections drama:

Global Eye

Party Hacks

By Chris Floyd
Published: March 3, 2006

Two weeks ago, an obscure, unelected, Republican-appointed official in California decided the future of the world. That future -- at least for the next several years -- will be an accelerating nightmare of war, corruption, repression, atrocity and terror. That's because the loyal apparatchik has, with the stroke of a pen, guaranteed the perpetuation of the Bush faction in power in 2008 and beyond.

One of the few certainties in modern U.S. politics is that no Democrat can win the presidency without carrying California. Thanks to the Electoral College system set up by the Founding Oligarchs to keep the low-born rabble from voting directly for president, the big haul of California's electoral votes is crucial for Democrats to offset the multitude of small, sparsely populated states that reliably vote Republican. Bagging California doesn't guarantee Democratic victory, but without it, the cliffhanger electoral counts in the goosed elections of 2000 and 2004 wouldn't even have been close.


Thus, the sudden, hugger-mugger decision by California Secretary of State Bruce McPherson to override the objections of his own experts and certify the eminently hackable voting machines of the politically partisan firm, Diebold, for use throughout the state means, quite simply, that the fix is in for 2008. It doesn't matter who the Democrats run -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, George Clooney or Jesus H. Christ in an Uncle Sam suit. It won't make a bit of difference. California is lost, the presidency is lost and the Bushists are in -- already. It's over.

After Diebold's machines failed miserably in a battery of tests last year, McPherson vowed to put their certification on hold until his own hand-picked panel of experts had fine-combed the system to a fare-thee-well, blogger Brad Friedman reports. The panel delivered their conclusions last month -- and the results were staggering, far beyond the worst fears of the most hard-core "conspiracy theorist." The panel found that Diebold's machines were riddled with curious built-in glitches that effectively "ceded complete control of the system" to hackers who could "change vote totals, modify reports, change the names of candidates and change the races being voted on."

What's more, "hackers wouldn't need to know passwords or cryptographic keys, or have access to any other part of the system to do their dirty work," the Los Angeles Times notes. "Voters, candidates and election monitors wouldn't necessarily know they'd been rooked." A more perfect vehicle for fixing an election can hardly be imagined. And it would require nothing more than a handful of high-tech zealots, not a vast conspiracy.

Naturally, after such a blistering condemnation, McPherson did what any official charged with guaranteeing the integrity and credibility of his state's elections would do: He approved the slipshod system by the dark of the moon, on a Friday before a holiday weekend, without any public hearings -- indeed, without waiting for the results of a pending federal review of Diebold's mole-infested code. Now, the Diebold contraptions, whose chronic "breakdowns" have featured in numerous contested elections and last-second "miracle" victories by Republican candidates across the country in recent years, will control California's pot of electoral gold.

A good example of how this control works can be found in Alaska. There, the state Democratic Party has long been seeking an audit of some of the 2004 Diebold-counted returns, which produced a series of strange anomalies -- including awarding President George W. Bush an extra 100,000 votes that turned out to be phantoms. First, state officials blocked the request because that information, the vote count of a public election, was a "company secret" that belonged exclusively to Diebold, Friedman reports. Then they decided that the returns could be examined -- but only on the condition that Diebold and the Republican officials be allowed to "manipulate the data" before it was released. In the end, even this tainted transparency was too much for the Bushist ballot crunchers; late last month, Alaska officials suddenly declared that examining the returns would pose a dire but unspecified "security risk" to the state.

America's votes are increasingly controlled by a small number of interrelated corporations: Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, all of which have close political and financial ties to the Bush faction -- and to other dark forces as well. Diebold and ES&S were both bankrolled by tycoon Howard Ahmanson, who was also a major funder of the Christian "Reconstructionist" movement, which openly advocates a totalitarian theocracy in America, including the death penalty for homosexuals, slavery for debtors, stoning for sinners and stripping nonbelievers of citizenship. As journalist Max Blumenthal reports, these extremists have been welcomed as a key part of the Bushist base of politicized evangelicals, whose cadres have been quietly filling government posts for the past five years. Meanwhile, Sequoia -- whose machines racked up 100,000 "mistakes" in just one Florida county in 2004, according to a recent audit -- is owned by a business partner of the Carlyle Group, the investment firm whose insider deals and war profiteering have earned millions for the Bush family.

Thus, the 2008 election will be conducted largely on wide-open machines programmed by avowed partisans and paymasters of a ruthless gang that has already committed demonstrable vote fraud on a massive scale in engineering narrow "victories" in 2000 and 2004. So it doesn't matter who runs, who votes or how unpopular the Bush faction becomes through the murderous ruin of its radical agenda. The "consent of the governed" will be drowned in the blood money that has bought the nation's electoral process.

http://context.themoscowtimes.com/st...03/03/120.html

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like I said, absentee votes and make COPIES before you mail them in!

I will either...
 

vote for an Indepedent candidate in 2008, or God-forbiding that no Independent is listed on the Oklahoma ballot, I will "auction" my vote off on eBay for the right to vote for one of the main 2 political parties (The highest winning bidder's political party will win my vote...So I hope many will bid often!!!)

Oh, one more "conspiracy"...Dont anyone think it is interesting that Halliburton is having their "stock holder's annual meeting" in Duncan. Oklahoma this year (The town where Hella-burton was created) as opposed to the usual site of Houston to avoid the expected protesters? Man, I may get my wish and have Deb take a picture of me re-creating the Who's cover of the album "Who's Next" by "pissing" on the statue of Halliburton's founder at the city park in Duncan.

Interesting. So let me ask you this. Given the men in white suits with the geiger counters, is it possible that Padilla detonated some experimental device at the Murrah building?
The government must know the truth on Padilla. Just whose team is this guy playing on anyway? Makes you wonder.

It's all about the corporation. Little did many of us know when we got the CEO president what that truly meant.
I sure the hell didn't see it turning out like this five years ago.

Fair enough. But doesnt it annoy you when a celebrity that you pretty much doesnt really know what's going on, be it on either side of the issue, just shoots theiur mouth off?