Lindsey Buckingham's Agon
 

If most animals are little more than eating machines of nature, Lindsey has an inner quality that strives for something more. Ideas of friendship, beauty & such are just dawning in his primitive subconscious. For Lindsey Buckingham, the musical conflict is like the first glimpse of golden sunlight after years of dwelling in darkness. There had always been glimmers of this light in Lindseed's subconsciousness but it was always clouded by the need to fight & bash & survive. Anyway, coming into the light can be warm and glowing, but it also exposes one's vulnerabilities. This is something Buckinghamseed understands. It's the goal of each of his projects to have his dreams see the light of day. But it's also exposing himself to ridicule. It's one thing for Lindsey to lose his public acclaim or his standing in the group. But the Stevie-as-diva fiasco made him lose face. It wasn't just a royalty check bouncing but his dick being cut off. He'd exposed himself, heart & soul, & he'd been rejected. . . which explains his mighty struggle with his psyche during the years of his exile.

If LB is a creature that has just about outgrown nature & wants something higher, Mick Fleetwood comes to feel affection for LB because he represents the son Mick always wanted but never had. This is an old cliche, to be sure, but it works, & it has an element of innocence lacking in the older group struggles. In the earlier days, the two blonde women in the group were always a hostage of the ruling patriarchy. In the 1976 band, Stevie Hicks came to feel sorry for Lindsey the big ape & didn't want him fired or shamed, but if she could help it she was going to run from his smelly hands as they frailed his plectrum instrument.

Partly, I think it's her way of giving Lindfreed some solace before he dies. Surely she knows that LB is doomed: psychically, at least. It's only a matter of time before the money men at the big record label bust his ass up up real good one way or another.

I'm curious what does everyone think?

If he doesn't release that solo project and tour one way or the other he will not have to worry about the money men busting his ass up.:mad: :laugh:

Solo project? Yeah right!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

is what I think.

The only other thing is that it was only a Stevie diva dickapitation losing of face b/c that's how Lindseed's un-sunful, or pre-sunful, mind interpreted it. He created his own reality, and in doing so created much less sunportunity for himself. And so I can say, affirmatively, that he really is doomed psychically. And you're right, Swheezy sees this.
I think she is very gracious, fighting this long and this hard just to make sure he etc.
But it's not all altruistic, she wants to grasp and glimpse his particular higher reach, for she has a different, yet parallel one. Each wants to leave their earthbound hoities, yet both are so very lame in some integral and inescapable way.

I think he's used to live up to high expectations his whole life. Athletes-family. Be the best. On the other hand the guy is a "feeler". A sensitive and sensible person. He can't live with the American Dream because it is unfair. He can't live with acceptable qualitystandards because they don't lead to perfection. He constantly wrestles with these things neuroticly. He doesn't need to grow up or something, he just should loosen up and be more confident about his muse. Pump it into the world. Release it. I'll buy it.:woohoo:


multiple.

I think you enjoy the opportunity to display a supposed intellect in the view of a wide audience and that the possibility of confusing your readers and therefore gaining a sense of intellectual superiority is the sole purpose in posting. Lindsey and his music is basically irrelevant here.

^^^

which is partially the fun of it. Not so much for me as a form of expression; mainly laughing when I see David do IT again.

The most funnest part for me was the obvious invitation to make up new words, imaginary words, but ones that still totally connotate exactly what you mean.
Also to make up stupid Linds and Ess theories that are totally based (or partially based, really) on Whimsey.
It was like weaving a whole new story, with a slightly different - yet mostly the same - Paradigm Basis. It was like if Fleetwood Mac was on the show Night Gallery.

The characters and themes are familiar, but you may place the scenarios and outcomes in an alternate universe while talking about them (the scenarios) -
If you want.
Or, you can say the same old thing that you always think, but substitute new words (ideally, made up words) to have the same meaning, thereby making it fresh. And spicy.
And for god's sake, please do, it is ever so much more amusing than just stating your real opinion that we already know b/c we have heard it a billion times before.

And, could I really be the only one that thinks Ell and Ess NEED a new paradigm to describe them? I thinky notty. I'm fricking sickles of hearing the same old smacker. :laugh:
Not that I have the answer for what the new paradigm should encompass.
That is something that should be definitively decided by a new thread -
A thread Somewhere, Twighlight, Scemetime, Snowball, in the back of your Superego! (inthebackofyo.Superegoooo...!)
:cool:

Don't you think?

I also can't help but think that David meant to say "flailed" rather than "frailed", but I can't be totally sure.
I'm pretty sure, though.

OK Amber, If you want MY opinion.

I think it is entirely concievable in this particular field of vision that Lindsey's crop has been left to shrivel and die. The harvester was not serviced on a regular basis, too much time was spent chewing the grass and ultimately he couldn't perform when needed. The sun shines, hay is made yet not on his particular farm. He wore the farmboy outfit but couldn't use it when he needed to.

His confabulatory nature dictates the truth is what one percieves it to be, occasionally paradoxical but not usually. Phrases are reiterative. This erimetical creature is a non-conformist entity that thrives in a set-apart environment. Indeed, this animal is a troglodyte by nature and should be seen as such. Changes to this scenario are seen as deeply perturbing by him.

However there are instances when this erimetic individual has emitted a mercurial exuberance, particularly when led out of his comfort zone and into a wider arena. Public adulation of his application of facility in a given environment is in my opinion his most thrilling application of natural endowment. This is the domain he needs to fulfill his unmentioned desires and in turn results in the approbation the said individual ultimately requires.

His personal and public atonement with his former spiritual confederate has amplified the need of Lindsey to thrive in the above mentioned domain. While rumours of assignations are not proven there is some doubt with individuals as to his relationship with this particular musical deity.

One thing is certain, Lindsey must break free of his solitudarian existence and be able to present a document worthy of commendation within his chosen field. He must somehow satisfy his insatiable inner self and when this is accomplished he can break out of his microcosm and go forward with an almost light speed acceleration. Only time will tell if the aforementioned actions take place.

:wavey:

What???? I don't understand a thing you said.Explain more simply please.

To do that would defeat the purpose of the post, Tui. May I suggest you consult your dictionary or better still a thesaurus. Here you will find a satisfactory and possibly enlightening translation of my post. :) :wavey:

You could stand a little intellectual exercise, cuppycakes. If you read my post so absolutely literally that any sense of squib, broadside, lampoon, or irony eludes you totally, then I would have to conclude you're illiterate. It doesn't matter whether you can sound out words or recognize letters correctly. If you're deaf to verbal screwing off, you're illiterate. You're like the people who read passages in the Bible ("In vain shalt thou use any medicines/Thou shalt take no balm in Gilead" blah blah) & interpret them literally: "D'uh, I'd better not take my sick boy to the doctor! God told me it won't do no good to get medicine!" You're probably blind to metaphor, metonymy, context & most other aspects that make language language. I'm willing to work with you on reading & interpretation skills if you want. Just lemme know.
Ah, so you did understand that. :thumbsup:

Oh, P.S., say hi to your friend!

Well, you know, I go back & forth between those two. Both seem to be in popular use to describe banjo playing technique. We should prolly settle on one or the other HERE & NOW, damnit.

So ... which one do you like?

Well flail is to thrash or throw your arms/fingers about and frail isn't technically a word for this, or a word to describe his technique. So I vote for frail anyway because his style is unique and he should have his own word for it too. :)

Frail and flail can be combined under given circumstances such as "I'm So Afraid" and "Come". :nod: This could be interpreted as flrail. :wavey:

:laugh: :laugh:

Not bad, sir. :wavey:

I think David should just masturbate and spare us the crap.

Oh, now that's rich -- coming from you & your friend, who are widely if not universally renowned (if that's the right word) for having scrawled your masturbatory scraw across countless Web message boards, irritating hundreds of fans to the point of despair & getting yourselves kicked off more than a few of those forums . . . oh, & even shutting down an entire board or two in the process.

Rich, indeed! :lol: :lol: :laugh: :rolleyes:

It's got to be flail. The other drives me cuckoo bananas.
See? Frail is just wrong.

[B]frail2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frl)
n.
A rush basket for holding fruit, especially dried fruit.
The quantity of fruit, such as raisins or figs, that such a basket can hold.
frail1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frl)
adj. frail·er, frail·est
Physically weak; delicate: an invalid's frail body.
Not strong or substantial; slight: evidence too frail to stand up in court.
Easily broken or destroyed; fragile.
Easily led astray; morally weak. See Synonyms at weak.

frailly adv.
frailness n.


frail

adj 1: physically weak; "an invalid's frail body" [ant: robust] 2: having the attributes of man as opposed to e.g. divine beings; "I'm only human"; "frail humanity" [syn: fallible, imperfect, weak] 3: easily broken or damaged or destroyed; "a kite too delicate to fly safely"; "fragile porcelain plates"; "fragile old bones"; "a frail craft" [syn: delicate, fragile] n 1: the weight of a frail (basket) full of raisins or figs; between 50 and 75 pounds 2: a basket for holding dried fruit (especially raisins or figs)

A fruit basket.

This must be Lindsey then? No? :blob1: :lol:

What we don't pretend is that we're being informative. Take it to the chitchat board, or to the "Just How Intelligent Can David Prove Himself To Be" board. The ego trip that so often occurs here under the disguise of actual discussion of the board subject is quite tedious. Carry on if the fact that my friend and I like to get stoned and ramble on other boards is a justification for your ego, strange a reason as it may be, but it's still tediuos.

Keep your hands off my David. I want him to masturbate as much as he likes as long as he is NOT sparing us his idiosyncratic posts. So keep your own hands above the sheets and live an orgasmless life on another board, or at least another forum please.

You had 8 posts in more than two years in the Buckinghamforum. Including these. Get real. Get lost.

Being as big a fan of Lindsey as anyone else here yet only lurking without posting is now a sin, I see. As is pointing out the obvious, that some posts are solely for the purpose of having egos stroked. You were in quite a state yourself over the way some use this board to exert a musical superiority. Perhaps you should have gotten lost aswell.

I think Gerald's point was that you've only been compelled to post in this forum eight times and three of those times it's been purely to criticise another person. Why come out of lurking just to attack someone? Just don't read their posts if they offend you so much.

Also it could be said that many people find the stoned ramblings of a few just as tedious, if not more so, than the supposedly pseudo-intellectual discussion going on here.

Oy!! You cheeky moo!:rolleyes:

I'm born lost.

And trackaghost explained it spot on. David posts very helpful and sharp. Highly anticipated here. If you don't like his humour...:shrug: :shrug: fair enough. I don't understand that but to each his own. But don't put him in a corner. Then you're meeting the humble Dutch.

I am going to ignore that other larger, more important, discussion on this thread and focus on this less important "frail/flail' thingy.
FRAIL
-because I am a folky.
and I know the technique has been discussed here before but I like to add URL's so...

Here:
http://www.frailing.com/

and another look at the debte:
http://ralphriver.blogspot.com/2005/...-frailing.html

Dictionary.com totally failed me on this one.
However, flail is funnier, so i still stand by my choice.

It *is* funnier, and see, the blog author looks at both:

Ah! Interesting.
Hmmm.

where is seteca, for gads sake.

Very busy dude, very busy!

Confabulatory business to be done
 

"I think it is entirely concievable in this particular field of vision that Lindsey's crop has been left to shrivel and die. The harvester was not serviced on a regular basis, too much time was spent chewing the grass and ultimately he couldn't perform when needed. The sun shines, hay is made yet not on his particular farm. He wore the farmboy outfit but couldn't use it when he needed to."

I see what you mean. Lindsey is obsessed with the creative process and so wears the garb of the agriculturalist to this extent. However, as you indicate, he doesn't always come through, 'cause he gets too obsessed with the process, with getting it perfect etc. His best moments are probably those when he is able to just spread his seed willy-nilly, as it were, without too much planning, plotting. That is, his stuff is a little precious. (But I love it. Lindsey is God, etc.)

"His confabulatory nature dictates the truth is what one percieves it to be, occasionally paradoxical but not usually. Phrases are reiterative. This erimetical creature is a non-conformist entity that thrives in a set-apart environment. Indeed, this animal is a troglodyte by nature and should be seen as such. Changes to this scenario are seen as deeply perturbing by him."

He's what psychologists call a mismatcher; has to be different from everyone around him. Hence Stevie's "You're not like other people etc." This can be self-defeating or shoot-yourself-in-the-footing. Witness, in Destiny Rules, how he takes a financial loss in order to have a long album. He was stubborn and probably wrong, although I wouldn't cut out any of his songs (personally).

"However there are instances when this erimetic individual has emitted a mercurial exuberance, particularly when led out of his comfort zone and into a wider arena. Public adulation of his application of facility in a given environment is in my opinion his most thrilling application of natural endowment. This is the domain he needs to fulfill his unmentioned desires and in turn results in the approbation the said individual ultimately requires."

Did you ever read the old Musician article, "Lindsey Buckingham: Lonely Guy." It shows his struggle with fame and adulation. He clearly needs it and thrives on it, but is afraid of being a "lounge act." Even in his personal life, it seems he drives love away or can't stand success. But, yes, public adulation, as in the Fleetwood Mac context, IS the best application of his superb talents.

I admire his stubornness and perfectionism whether it's wrong or right. I mean, he made a choice about the album that showed he didn't care about money, in spite of having a young family. Can't help but admire. He wants integrity at all costs, and the cost can be high.

BURMA!!!!

:eek:

Carne? Are you back?:lol:

Sorry Forshorn, but your excellent post reminds me of an ex-ledgie. By the way, as a nonnative speaker, I couldn't make a lot of the original post you responded to. But your response has alot that I agree on and it helped me to understand the source-post:eek: .:thumbsup:

Great to have a new ledgie that pays respect to Lindsey as a musician on it's meritis: Judging the total package as he is, and not by isolating some elements that CAN be irritating. Forshorn rules.

Sorry, it was in "Lindsey speak" and the translation and interpretation by Forshorn was very good and well responded. :thumbsup:

BUT,

This means then, you actually agree with me Gerald!!!! :blob1: :blob2: :eek:

I guess so my friend, I only needed a translator to find out.:lol:

by the way...aren't offended by Forshorns Lindsey is God remark? hehe. I would be in your shoes. Glad I wear my own. :p

Lindsey is A musical god. Not my personal musical god however G.

He has a unique style and sound which makes him identifiable in a world of imitations and this gives him the right to be labelled a "musical god" I guess..

If somebody (oh, let's say Lindsey Buckingham for example) spends all their time in a recording studio but never releases anything publicly, can they still be called a "musician"? :shrug:

Good point. AND - although I really like him, can one who plays the same solo in every concert and only a variation thereof in several songs be called such as well.

Then again, even at his worst, he is still better than 99?% out there IMO.

Of course you ridicule everything. The amount of music coming out is devastatingly poor. But the last two and a half years he did put out work. An almost doublealbum, a live dvd/cd and a soundstage dvd. With alot of old stuff but also new gems. And he toured for 1.5 years. I thought a stageperformer on instruments is called a Musician. Even if he doesn't release a lot of recordings. Sounds familiar?:p :lol: