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TomBanks147

03-05-2006 07:51 AM

here comes the sun, apreciation thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaACD...y%20buckingham

I don't get why people don't like this song. I LOVE it. Great vocals and great guitar.

Sahara

03-05-2006 10:03 AM

People don't like this song? :shrug: I love it! :D

johndoe

03-05-2006 10:34 AM

Well, I mean. He Big Love-a-fied one of the greatest Beatles songs ever. Theres a law against butchering Beatles songs, and he quite clearly broke it.

shackin'up

03-05-2006 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sahara

People don't like this song? :shrug:

OOOh my God, here's chiliD coming again. search for shelter, everybody like me, who thinks this is an awesome take on an awesome song, that does not try to beat the original but tries to be a risky personal hommage. I love it too, but duck!, the ****load is coming over us again.....

Sahara

03-05-2006 10:46 AM

Well .... I must admit that I don't know the original version of this song very well at all, so I don't know if I can really comment. :shrug:

But in its own right I love Lindsey's Here Comes the Sun.

madformac

03-05-2006 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoe

Theres a law against butchering Beatles songs, and he quite clearly broke it.

Yes there is rearrangment of a song and then there is butchery.

If I can draw a parallel, if it was a surgical operation Lindsey used a Heckler & Koch MP5 when he should have used a scalpel..

'nuff said... :nod:

Boots

03-05-2006 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sahara

:shocked: OMG! You MUST get some experience with the Beatles. How can you not know the original version of Here Comes The Sun???:confused:

Please...PLEASE...buy Abbey Road or any Beatles compilation album that carries this song. It's a classic. Lindsey's version was very good, and I really like it - but its very different.

Livia

03-05-2006 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoe

Well, I mean. He Big Love-a-fied one of the greatest Beatles songs ever. Theres a law against butchering Beatles songs, and he quite clearly broke it.

I agree! I don't like how LB changed the guitar melody - it sounds like he's playing NGBA and singing HCTS.

Sahara

03-05-2006 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boots

I've been meaning to get into the Beatles for a long, long time...:rolleyes:

TomBanks147

03-05-2006 02:22 PM

Other than "big-love-it" I don't see how he could have done it any other way without a band behid him. It's a very darring version but I love it all the same.

The Nisse

03-05-2006 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBanks147

Other than "big-love-it" I don't see how he could have done it any other way without a band behid him. It's a very darring version but I love it all the same.

The riff that carries the song, he could have expanded on that. Played around it...it's just up his alley.

Chester

03-05-2006 02:55 PM

The original is a masterpiece and all, but Lindsey's version is 100% Lindsey. Take away the fact that it is a cover of a very beloved song, and you have a very typical Lindsey acoustic song. Comparing it to the original shouldn't be the only way to evaluate it. It is hard to distance yourself from a brilliant song that you have loved your entire life, but it is the only way!:nod:

Gazza

03-05-2006 03:18 PM

I quite like the guitar parts, but Lindsey's singing is way off at times. I guess he was trying to really feel it and that can happen sometimes.

But then I never really liked the original all that much. Infact, I've never really liked The Beatles all that much. Over here in Britain some of us get rather sick of them.

johndoe

03-05-2006 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sahara

I've been meaning to get into the Beatles for a long, long time...:rolleyes:

I'll give you a very basic start.

Heres Comes The Sun:
http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...714U14XO79BETE

Revolution:
http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0...E2FL3NMQG7HOHY

Get Back:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=16FSYJ80

Now, this is obviously a small fraction out of the hundreds of songs in their repitiore, but they're my personal favorites.

TomBanks147

03-05-2006 05:08 PM

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but Lindsey's singing is way off at times.

lol i'm going to have to disagree with you on that, sorry. I think his vocals are spot on.

Is it just the live performance I linked to at the top of the thread the only Lindsey version of this song? Are is there another live recording knocking about somewhere, or even a studio verssion.

Naturally, being human and all, I like the beatles. I'm not a HUGE fan are even a novice fan lol, but I know a load of there songs.

johndoe

03-05-2006 05:42 PM

hahaha I kept reading your posts wrong because you spell "or" as "are." His vocals are very much off, too low for the song, I think. And this was a one time performance.

George Harrison died that year, and they had him do it as tribute. Jennings threatend to cut him out of the show because his version wasn't loyal enough to the original. Turns out he was so mad at this that he threw his guitar at a wall in his hotel room, and it had to be repaired that night. In fact, on the video, theres a hole in his guitar. Look for it.

danax6

03-05-2006 06:29 PM

I have a lot of love for Lindsey, I have a lot of love for Here Comes the Sun, but IMO, in this case, the twain should never have met. Sorry.

It's not that he didn't play the guitar fabulously, it's just that he should have used some different lyrics.

madformac

03-05-2006 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by danax6

Yes, as I pointed out in another thread last month. It's not the guitar work thats the problem. Lindsey has tried to mould his style around the existing lyrics and it just doesn't work. Yes I think Lindsey's vocals were off too and this doesn't help but it's really a case of Travis picking being wrong for this song.

"Here Comes The Sun" was George's reaction and response to "Albatross" and it's almost as shocking and wrong as Lindsey going over that song in his Travis picking way (I can see ChiliD having a fit at the thought!). Don't get me wrong, I'm all for artists covering songs. Again as I mentioned before Harrison technically covered "Here Comes The Sun" because Joe Cocker released his version first and therefore you could argue his version is different from the "original" even though he wrote it..

Also, am I the only one who thinks George's "Here Comes The Moon" is a more beautiful song than "Here Comes The Sun"?

WelshWitchPMD

03-05-2006 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by madformac

Yes, that problem that I have with his HCTS version are his vocals. They are a bit annoying but I don't think that his cover it is all that bad.

Jyqm	03-05-2006 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by madformac

"Here Comes The Sun" was George's reaction and response to "Albatross"

Come again? Where'd you hear this? "Sun King" is clearly an homage to "Albatross," but "Here Comes The Sun"?

I'm already on record around here as being a fan of Lindsey's performance, but I'll throw those two cents in again. His vocal isn't always on-key on the performance, but I quite like his arrangement.

But then, I'm one of those who always finds it kind of silly when others describe a cover as sounding "wrong." I don't think there really is a wrong way to perform most pop songs. If Lindsey's reworking of "Here Comes The Sun" was unfaithful to the temperament and musicality of the original, it did a brilliant job of conveying the mood so prevalent that December after George died - and after the towers fell in New York - that we were all in for a long, cold, lonely winter.

DownOnRodeo

03-06-2006 05:16 AM

The question of its loyalty to the original aside ...

His singing is operatic and the guitar playing symphonic.

It's a powerful tour de force of a tribute - I love it!

shackin'up

03-06-2006 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

The question of its loyalty to the original aside ...

His singing is operatic and the guitar playing symphonic.

It's a powerful tour de force of a tribute - I love it!

I'm with you again, Joe...but hey! what else is new....;)

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Originally Posted by Jyqm

But then, I'm one of those who always finds it kind of silly when others describe a cover as sounding "wrong." I don't think there really is a wrong way to perform most pop songs. If Lindsey's reworking of "Here Comes The Sun" was unfaithful to the temperament and musicality of the original, it did a brilliant job of conveying the mood so prevalent that December after George died - and after the towers fell in New York - that we were all in for a long, cold, lonely winter.

well spoken. By the way, I always wonder why when people say his vocal is "off" , I usually think it's "pregnant of emotion". Particular in this case.....

madformac

03-06-2006 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jyqm

Come again? Where'd you hear this? "Sun King" is clearly an homage to "Albatross," but "Here Comes The Sun"?

George was impressed by Albatross and thought it was a beautiful song. He felt inspired to write something in response and Here Comes The Sun was the song. It doesn't need to "sound" like Albatross to have been inspired by it. "Sun King" is indeed a homage but it is one by Lennon not Harrison.

George wrote Here Comes The Sun in Eric Clapton's garden when he should have been at Apple signing contracts. He couldn't be bothered by all the fuss and decided to sneak away for the day. Quote "The relief of not going to see those dopey accountants was wonderful"

George felt (and was quite right) that in England it seems like winter goes on forever and this informed the lyrics.

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Originally Posted by Jyqm

If Lindsey's reworking of "Here Comes The Sun" was unfaithful to the temperament and musicality of the original, it did a brilliant job of conveying the mood so prevalent that December after George died - and after the towers fell in New York - that we were all in for a long, cold, lonely winter.

I'm not sure the emotions Lindsey conveyed were entirely correct in that context. I think it was too erratic in nature personally.

Jyqm	03-06-2006 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by madformac

Okay. Where did you hear this, though? Where can I find the story?

chiliD

03-06-2006 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by johndoe

Jennings threatend to cut him out of the show because his version wasn't loyal enough to the original. Turns out he was so mad at this that he threw his guitar at a wall in his hotel room, and it had to be repaired that night. In fact, on the video, theres a hole in his guitar.

See my response later in this post.

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Originally Posted by madformac

"Here Comes The Sun" was George's reaction and response to "Albatross"...

No, no, no....and no. George (and John) suggested that they "play something like Fleetwood Mac" when they hit an unproductive stretch during the recording of Abbey Road ("Albatross" being atop the UK charts at the time)...what resulted was "Sun King". (and if you can't hear "Albatross" in the intro to "Sun King", time to make that appointment with your ENT doctor)

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Originally Posted by madformac

Again as I mentioned before Harrison technically covered "Here Comes The Sun" because Joe Cocker released his version first

And, I will contend that there's absolutely no way a composer of a song can cover his own song...sure, somebody else may RELEASE their version of the song first, but the composer's version is NEVER a "cover". Another example, and again a George Harrison song..."Run So Far" was recorded & released by Eric Clapton in 1990...George Harrison's version wasn't released until after his death on his posthumous Brainwashed album. Nonetheless, Eric's version is the "cover"...George's is the original. Always was, always will be.

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Originally Posted by TomBanks147

Other than "big-love-it" I don't see how he could have done it any other way without a band behid him. It's a very darring version but I love it all the same.

One thing's for sure, he couldn't have done it any worse.

I think ABC should've stuck with their original decision and told Lindsey to "shove it" instead of let him on the air with that pile o' stinky crap.

If I'd have been in the studio, he'd have been wearing that Renaissance around his neck.

shackin'up

03-06-2006 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Well....here he is again.....didn't I predict this? These reactions make the version even more brilliant than it already was....
Lindsey's Here comes the sun is equally brilliant as Sid Vicious' My way, because in both cases there's only ONE person in the world able of doing the cover the way it's done. fock the originals.

chiliD

03-06-2006 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

Well....here he is again.....didn't I predict this?

Screw you and the horse you rode in on

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

These reactions make the version even more brilliant than it already was....
Lindsey's Here comes the sun is equally brilliant as Sid Vicious' My way, because in both cases there's only ONE person in the world able of doing the cover the way it's done. fock the originals.

"Brilliant" in the same way infants & mentally deficient people like "shiny things".

madformac

03-06-2006 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jyqm

Okay. Where did you hear this, though? Where can I find the story?

I'm hunting through my clippings and books. I'll post it or a link when I find it. I read it about 3 years back if I'm correct.

madformac

03-06-2006 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

"Brilliant" in the same way infants & mentally deficient people like "shiny things".

:blob2: :laugh:

Jyqm	03-06-2006 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by madformac

I'm hunting through my clippings and books. I'll post it or a link when I find it. I read it about 3 years back if I'm correct.

Okay, thanks, let me know if you find it! I also remember reading something somewhere that claimed "Here Comes The Sun" was a response to "Albatross," but I recall it being in one of those Fleetwood Mac books not exactly known for its accuracy (that narrows it down, doesn't it?), so I assumed it was a mistake on the author's part, getting his or her "Sun" songs mixed up.

Boots

03-06-2006 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sahara

I've been meaning to get into the Beatles for a long, long time...:rolleyes:

A few whips with a wet noodle, my dear! ;) We must educate you! :laugh:

I lust for Lindsey - ain't no doubt about that...but why does he always have to SCREAM his songs while strumming his guitar with enough friction and force to ignite the stage in flames? I guess he has so much pent up passion and antsy vibe that he needs to scream it all out. His version of Here Comes the Sun was fine - interesting - acceptable - but he Lindsey-ized it with his frenetic, neurotic tone. Linds....take it down a notch for George. You want to pay your respects to him...you don't want to wake him from the dead.

Or maybe that's what he was trying to do?:confused: That would have been nice. I miss George so much.:(

chiliD

03-06-2006 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jyqm

...but I recall it being in one of those Fleetwood Mac books not exactly known for its accuracy (that narrows it down, doesn't it?), so I assumed it was a mistake on the author's part, getting his or her "Sun" songs mixed up.

I recall reading that too and thinking the same thing. (As I recall, the author referred to the song as Here Comes The Sun King, so maybe THAT is what Justin is thinking about.)

DavidMn

03-06-2006 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

See my response later in this post.

No, no, no....and no. George (and John) suggested that they "play something like Fleetwood Mac" when they hit an unproductive stretch during the recording of Abbey Road ("Albatross" being atop the UK charts at the time)...what resulted was "Sun King". (and if you can't hear "Albatross" in the intro to "Sun King", time to make that appointment with your ENT doctor)

And, I will contend that there's absolutely no way a composer of a song can cover his own song...sure, somebody else may RELEASE their version of the song first, but the composer's version is NEVER a "cover". Another example, and again a George Harrison song..."Run So Far" was recorded & released by Eric Clapton in 1990...George Harrison's version wasn't released until after his death on his posthumous Brainwashed album. Nonetheless, Eric's version is the "cover"...George's is the original. Always was, always will be.

One thing's for sure, he couldn't have done it any worse.

I think ABC should've stuck with their original decision and told Lindsey to "shove it" instead of let him on the air with that pile o' stinky crap.

If I'd have been in the studio, he'd have been wearing that Renaissance around his neck.

Yeah, I didnt think you liked it.:laugh:

Chester

03-06-2006 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Boots

I lust for Lindsey - ain't no doubt about that...but why does he always have to SCREAM his songs while strumming his guitar with enough friction and force to ignite the stage in flames? (

One could ask the same thing about hardcore metal or punk bands, my dear! It's just what they're about. Lindsey likes to distance himself from that Rumours kind of sound and screaming and abusing his guitar is one way to do it. No need to let that affect your lust for him though.

Sahara

03-06-2006 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoe

I'll give you a very basic start.

Thank you! I promise I'll listen.

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Originally Posted by Boots

A few whips with a wet noodle, my dear! ;) We must educate you! :laugh:

:confused: What on earth...?!

DavidMn

03-06-2006 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sahara

Thank you! I promise I'll listen.

:confused: What on earth...?!

Yeah, I couldnt quite figure that one out either.

Gazza

03-06-2006 05:05 PM

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"Brilliant" in the same way infants & mentally deficient people like "shiny things".

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If I'd have been in the studio, he'd have been wearing that Renaissance around his neck.

You'd have got mad the same way infants and mentally deficient people sometimes get mad then?

madformac

03-06-2006 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gazza

You'd have got mad the same way infants and mentally deficient people sometimes get mad then?

The Renaissance wasn't so shiny after Lindsey threw his tantrum and launched the toys out of the pram that night in NYC. :laugh:

chiliD

03-06-2006 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gazza

You'd have got mad the same way infants and mentally deficient people sometimes get mad then?

No, I'd have gotten mad like an adult would've gotten mad. Then punished the offending infant or mentally deficient person. The way Lindsey ruined "Here Comes The Sun" was homicidal inducing.

Boots

03-06-2006 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sahara

Thank you! I promise I'll listen.

:confused: What on earth...?!

Wait a minute. What is so strange about that? Really? You've never heard that expression? A few lashing of a wet noodle is a sarcastic remark implying that you needn't be seriously punished...it's not a big deal. There is nothing odd or lascivious about the expression...many people know it...

...like many people know the original version of "Here Comes the Sun".

Oh wait...that's right. You don't know the original version of one of the most famous songs in the world.:rolleyes:

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