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BombaySapphire3 12-06-2005 07:14 PM

No mention of Bat Mitzvah debacle on Nicks Fix
 
I find it rather interesting that the Nicks Fix , which usually is up on the tiniest mention or appearance of Stevie has no info whatsoever on this event.Whenever Stevie would do private shows in the past even if it was a shoe salesman convention details would be posted .The Bat Mitzvah even made CNN and still nothing?:shrug: This is getting kind of thick.

DavidMn 12-06-2005 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
I find it rather interesting that the Nicks Fix , which usually is up on the tiniest mention or appearance of Stevie has no info whatsoever on this event.Whenever Stevie would do private shows in the past even if it was a shoe salesman convention details would be posted .The Bat Mitzvah even made CNN and still nothing?:shrug: This is getting kind of thick.

Hmm, I wonder if John was told not to say anything?

BombaySapphire3 12-06-2005 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
Hmm, I wonder if John was told not to say anything?

If so that could mean some kind of damage control effort is underway.The best damage control IMO would be the channeling of the pay for this event to a charitable organization .So far nothing on that either.

Richard B 12-06-2005 08:02 PM

Speaking of the Nicksfix...it's just not as cool as it once was. There are so many better fan sites than the "official" website. Of course this was back before everyone realized just how easy it is to create a website.

DavidMn 12-06-2005 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
If so that could mean some kind of damage control effort is underway.The best damage control IMO would be the channeling of the pay for this event to a charitable organization .So far nothing on that either.

Well, I find that interesting becasue I find it hard to believe that Stevie or her people would be naive enough to think this wouldnt get out.

DavidMn 12-06-2005 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard B
Speaking of the Nicksfix...it's just not as cool as it once was. There are so many better fan sites than the "official" website. Of course this was back before everyone realized just how easy it is to create a website.

Yeah, even I dont go there much anymore.

BombaySapphire3 12-06-2005 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
Well, I find that interesting becasue I find it hard to believe that Stevie or her people would be naive enough to think this wouldnt get out.

I'm sure they are well aware it has gotten out and in a big way .It was on CNN just yesterday.By not mentioning it it just seems as if they want no more attention drawn to it.Like I said why post even the most obscure bit of Stevie related news or reference but nothing about a show that included her Petty and Henley and that has recieved national media commentary?

DavidMn 12-06-2005 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
I'm sure they are well aware it has gotten out and in a big way .It was on CNN just yesterday.By not mentioning it it just seems as if they want no more attention drawn to it.Like I said why post even the most obscure bit of Stevie related news or reference but nothing about a show that included her Petty and Henley and that has recieved national media commentary?

Yes, good point there.:nod:

jannieC 12-06-2005 09:07 PM

Someone should send it to the Nicksfix and see if it gets posted. Obviously they *know* about the event, VERY interesting it's not being posted there.

ontheEdgeof17 12-06-2005 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jannieC
Someone should send it to the Nicksfix and see if it gets posted. Obviously they *know* about the event, VERY interesting it's not being posted there.


Maybe they are like me....they don't care about the event. :shrug:

BombaySapphire3 12-06-2005 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Maybe they are like me....they don't care about the event. :shrug:

Don't want to acknowledge it is more like it.It was a big enough event with enough coverage to more than merit a mention.It appears conspicuous in it's absence there to me.

Rickypt 12-06-2005 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Maybe they are like me....they don't care about the event. :shrug:

You may not care about it, but certainly the official website should. They mention all her other appearances.

For now, I chalk this up to the fact that Nicksfix is one of the lamest "official" websites I've ever come across. Someday, go to www.dollymania.net to see what a real website run by a fan should look like.

catinthedark 12-06-2005 10:58 PM

I was thinking the exact same thing - in fact, I just checked the Nicks Fix quickly to see if it was posted before I came here. Negative.

Then I thought, hmm.. maybe I'll email John and ask him what he knows. Whether he can seek some clarification from Stevie or her people. Then I thought, nah, they're so obviously staying away from it now. There's no way they don't know about it - I get Google alerts on Stevie and Fleetwood Mac (as many others do, I'm sure). I've had multiple stories in my inbox everyday since this broke - legit news organizations to celebrity gossip columns to blogs.

I don't think John is avoiding it because he "doesn't care about it." I'm sure he doesn't care about half the stuff he posts - but this was a pretty major event - all over the media. Yet conspicuously not on her "official site?" Smells fishy to me...

Rickypt 12-06-2005 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark
I'm sure he doesn't care about half the stuff he posts

You mean things like the Stevie Nicks "license plate" sightings?:rolleyes:

You're right, pretty quick to post that someone saw a license plate that says "STR8BAK", but no mention of this live appearance.

Nicksfix does have a big mention of the Walter Reed visit, however. If the Brooks concert wasn't a problem, then why not mention it?

catinthedark 12-06-2005 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickypt
You mean things like the Stevie Nicks "license plate" sightings?:rolleyes:

Hahahahaha! That's exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote that! :lol:

Ghost_Tracker 12-07-2005 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard B
Speaking of the Nicksfix...it's just not as cool as it once was. There are so many better fan sites than the "official" website. Of course this was back before everyone realized just how easy it is to create a website.


Check out the Official websites of other big stars, like Madonna, Britney Spears, Carly Simon, etc., and i.m.o. you'll see just how good John's page is, comparatively. His is the least "corporate" web page of a music star that I've ever seen, and the only one with a FREE chat room. It's also updated MUCH more frequently than the other OFFICIAL web sites, and has ways to send Stevie birthday and Christmas greetings, etc. that she ACTUALLY READS.
In my opinion, his page shouldn't be compared so much to the non-official Stevie sites, but to the Official sites of other major rock stars. From that point of view -
maybe it's the best page out there...
The other Official Web Pages, i.m.o., only have ONE take home message -
"BUY OUR ****! BUY OUR ****! BUY OUR ****!!!"
The alternative would be to put it in the hands of Stevie's record company, and BELIEVE me that would not be a pretty site....

Anyway I realize that I'm in a minority opinion here, but John (and probably Stevie) are being VERY wise here.
The best thing to do is lay low. ANYTHING else, even an apology, is just going to be like pouring kerosene on a hopefully-already-dying fire. She made a mistake, publicity wise, and inadvertantly walked in to a hornet's nest. But in my honest opinion she and Brooks are being USED by people who have an Agenda and, as I've said, are not presenting both sides of this story.
That's just plain bad journalism.

BombaySapphire3 12-07-2005 02:26 AM

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originally posted by Ghost Tracker
Anyway I realize that I'm in a minority opinion here, but John (and probably Stevie) are being VERY wise here.
The best thing to do is lay low. ANYTHING else, even an apology, is just going to be like pouring kerosene on a hopefully-already-dying fire. She made a mistake, publicity wise, and inadvertantly walked in to a hornet's nest. But in my honest opinion she and Brooks are being USED by people who have an Agenda and, as I've said, are not presenting both sides of this story.
That's just plain bad journalism.
Not acknowledging that the event even took place on the official website is not IMO laying low.It is making the event even more glaring in it's omission .Like other Ledgies and myself have stated the best tack would have been to make public a complete transfer of the payola from this tainted party to a worthy charity.Much like Don Henley has with his check going right away to the Walden Woods fund.Pretending it never happened and hoping people just forget that it did is sort of the proverbial ostrich with it' s head in the sand solution.

JeannieKartis 12-07-2005 09:29 AM

John only posts what is authorized by Stevie's people.

Ghost_Tracker 12-07-2005 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JeannieKartis
John only posts what is authorized by Stevie's people.


Yes, THANK youuuuuuuu! :wavey: :thumbsup: :nod:

DavidMn 12-07-2005 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JeannieKartis
John only posts what is authorized by Stevie's people.

Otherwise, his wouldnt be the official site for long, you can be sure of that.:nod:

Raeven Skye 12-07-2005 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickypt
You may not care about it, but certainly the official website should. They mention all her other appearances.


they mention "near-misses" too....things that could be Stevie-related but aren't...i find it very telling that there's no "offical" word on Partygate (or Mitvahpallooza,as I've seen it, too..hehe).

BTFLCHLD 12-07-2005 01:54 PM

if one thinks petty and nicks are the only ones...
that would be a mistake... http://www.worldwidecorporateevents.com/musicians.php
professionals are paid to perform...and why shouldnt they be?
if an artists is concerned with who they are performing for
or where the money is coming from it would be their agents
job to provide that information to them...im thinking most
when presented with $$$$ for a short time-frame of work
would perform if the issues werent too murky...or they didnt
take the time to become aware...maybe a turn of the cheek :shrug:

strandinthewind 12-07-2005 02:01 PM

Plus and on a smaller scale by person, should artists screen out the people who buy actual concert tickets and records? Surely, some of the ticket and record buying public are crooks. Other than being a bunch of people making the large sum as opposed to one rich person making that sum, how is that significantly different from a moral point of view if we are to assume artists should not take funds from bad people :shrug: Where do we draw the line?

jannieC 12-07-2005 02:16 PM

I don't think it's that odd that she did the show, I just find it odd that it's not mentioned on her official website since every public move the woman makes usually is.

Richard B 12-07-2005 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker
Check out the Official websites of other big stars, like Madonna, Britney Spears, Carly Simon, etc., and i.m.o. you'll see just how good John's page is, comparatively. His is the least "corporate" web page of a music star that I've ever seen, and the only one with a FREE chat room. It's also updated MUCH more frequently than the other OFFICIAL web sites, and has ways to send Stevie birthday and Christmas greetings, etc. that she ACTUALLY READS.
In my opinion, his page shouldn't be compared so much to the non-official Stevie sites, but to the Official sites of other major rock stars. From that point of view -
maybe it's the best page out there...
The other Official Web Pages, i.m.o., only have ONE take home message -
"BUY OUR ****! BUY OUR ****! BUY OUR ****!!!"
The alternative would be to put it in the hands of Stevie's record company, and BELIEVE me that would not be a pretty site....

I understand what you're saying and see your points. However, the websites of the other artists you mention, are currently moving more units. Meaning, they are more popular in pop culture and selling product. Marketing works. Most of these artists have zero time to actually participate. The Ask Stevie section has been dormant for quite a while as well. Do you really think Stevie actually reads her birthday wishes? I don't think so. She doesn't have 5 minutes...she's got to go!

Reprise did have a exclusive website when TISL launched. It was very nicely done but not offering anything on a personal side like Nicksfix does.

Don't get me wrong, Nicksfix is a great resource and John Kinney is a very nice person. The code for the site however really sucks and the updates are much more infrequent. It used to pretty much have updates on a daily basis...but now the info lags on getting posted. You can find up to the minute info on a lot of other site, including this forum of course.

JazmenFlowers 12-07-2005 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard B
I understand what you're saying and see your points. However, the websites of the other artists you mention, are currently moving more units. Meaning, they are more popular in pop culture and selling product. Marketing works. Most of these artists have zero time to actually participate. The Ask Stevie section has been dormant for quite a while as well. Do you really think Stevie actually reads her birthday wishes? I don't think so. She doesn't have 5 minutes...she's got to go!

Reprise did have a exclusive website when TISL launched. It was very nicely done but not offering anything on a personal side like Nicksfix does.

Don't get me wrong, Nicksfix is a great resource and John Kinney is a very nice person. The code for the site however really sucks and the updates are much more infrequent. It used to pretty much have updates on a daily basis...but now the info lags on getting posted. You can find up to the minute info on a lot of other site, including this forum of course.

good points. I agree that it makes me jealous of Britney, et al fans because they get so much via the web. I will say tho that this is not the case for all major stars today. My 2nd favorite diva, Xtina Aguilera's official website sucks. I visit christinamultimedia.com and miss-aguilera.com five times as much as they are on top of everything and offer lots of goodies.

Sahara 12-07-2005 03:56 PM

Ah, no, I think the Fix is pretty good.

And given the response the whole Bat Mitzvah thing has gotten thus far, maybe they've reason to leave it out ...

Just a thought...

Sahara 12-07-2005 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard B
The Ask Stevie section has been dormant for quite a while as well. Do you really think Stevie actually reads her birthday wishes? I don't think so. She doesn't have 5 minutes...she's got to go!


Yeah, that's true though.

Very witty, well done at the end there. :thumbsup:

Ghost_Tracker 12-07-2005 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD
if one thinks petty and nicks are the only ones...
that would be a mistake... http://www.worldwidecorporateevents.com/musicians.php
professionals are paid to perform...and why shouldnt they be?
if an artists is concerned with who they are performing for
or where the money is coming from it would be their agents
job to provide that information to them...im thinking most
when presented with $$$$ for a short time-frame of work
would perform if the issues werent too murky...or they didnt
take the time to become aware...maybe a turn of the cheek :shrug:


Amen, THANK yooooouuuu!!! :wavey:

Ghost_Tracker 12-07-2005 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Plus and on a smaller scale by person, should artists screen out the people who buy actual concert tickets and records? Surely, some of the ticket and record buying public are crooks. Other than being a bunch of people making the large sum as opposed to one rich person making that sum, how is that significantly different from a moral point of view if we are to assume artists should not take funds from bad people :shrug: Where do we draw the line?


Lemmie just throw this out as an idea -
whereva -
same as Stevie -
her own personal decision.
$250,000 - possibly for cancer research,
possibly for the heart institute,
possibly for Jessie.
Maybe just to pay some damn bills.
She's human.

SuzeQuze 12-07-2005 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard B
...Do you really think Stevie actually reads her birthday wishes? ...

She does read them! As others have said John's site is "official". It used to be a fan site but not anymore. So for information that is extremely current, and therefore perhaps not 100% correct, we go to fan sites like Daniel's http://www.stevie-nicks.info.

BombaySapphire3 12-07-2005 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Plus and on a smaller scale by person, should artists screen out the people who buy actual concert tickets and records? Surely, some of the ticket and record buying public are crooks. Other than being a bunch of people making the large sum as opposed to one rich person making that sum, how is that significantly different from a moral point of view if we are to assume artists should not take funds from bad people :shrug: Where do we draw the line?

This doesn't really address the question of this thread.Why was a major event that has recieved widespread media coverage not been posted on the NIck fix?Also it would be kind of unrealistic to be able to screen every single CD or ticket buyer's criminal backround.Not so for a single wealthy party giver.Where would one draw the line though.Maybe a well financed soiree in Osama Bin Laden's latest cave hiding place?:laugh:

strandinthewind 12-07-2005 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
This doesn't really address the question of this thread.Why was a major event that has recieved widespread media coverage not been posted on the NIck fix?Also it would be kind of unrealistic to be able to screen every single CD or ticket buyer's criminal backround.Not so for a single wealthy party giver.Where would one draw the line though.Maybe a well financed soiree in Osama Bin Laden's latest cave hiding place?:laugh:

I know it does not address the original question in this thread, but it is related, etc.

Also, they would not need to screen each individual ticket buyer, but they could put out general sign that says "if you are a crook, please do not come to our concert" :laugh:

Then, do not get me started on Johnny Cash performing for all those prisoners and making a mint off of it :laugh: :rolleyes:

In the end, I just do not see why this is such a big deal. I also do not see how it has been proven that this guy is a crook or that any significant percentage of his jackets were defective and the military has specifically stated no "defective" jacket ever put a soldier in harm's way.

I think people are just grossed out and horrified by some rich guy throwing his kid such a lavish party. To each their own I guess.

As for it not being on the Nicksfix, that probably was intentional as the other corp. events were on there - at least I think they were.

Tango 12-07-2005 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
This doesn't really address the question of this thread.Why was a major event that has recieved widespread media coverage not been posted on the NIck fix?Also it would be kind of unrealistic to be able to screen every single CD or ticket buyer's criminal backround.Not so for a single wealthy party giver.Where would one draw the line though.Maybe a well financed soiree in Osama Bin Laden's latest cave hiding place?:laugh:

Major event? It was a PRIVATE bat mitzvah party for a 13 year old girl. Sure, her Pop is over the top wealthy, but he paid the price for having some amazing talent at this private event.

JazmenFlowers 12-07-2005 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
In the end, I just do not see why this is such a big deal. I also do not see how it has been proven that this guy is a crook or that any significant percentage of his jackets were defective and the military has specifically stated no "defective" jacket ever put a soldier in harm's way.

I think people are just grossed out and horrified by some rich guy throwing his kid such a lavish party. To each their own I guess.

As for it not being on the Nicksfix, that probably was intentional as the other corp. events were on there - at least I think they were.

I agree completely.

BombaySapphire3 12-07-2005 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango
Major event? It was a PRIVATE bat mitzvah party for a 13 year old girl. Sure, her Pop is over the top wealthy, but he paid the price for having some amazing talent at this private event.

The media attention that it garnered has been major .It was featured repeatedly on CNN 2 days ago .Also anytime Stevie appears with Petty .Henley and Joe Walsh would be something worth mentioning on her official site don't you think?

BTFLCHLD 12-07-2005 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
The media attention that it garnered has been major .It was featured repeatedly on CNN 2 days ago .Also anytime Stevie appears with Petty .Henley and Joe Walsh would be something worth mentioning on her official site don't you think?

john determines the content with his advisors...you could email and ask? [email protected]

strandinthewind 12-07-2005 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
The media attention that it garnered has been major .It was featured repeatedly on CNN 2 days ago .Also anytime Stevie appears with Petty .Henley and Joe Walsh would be something worth mentioning on her official site don't you think?

I also think that the media considers this party in any way newsworthy on a national level and discusses it alongside major news just proves the lack of integrity for all pages other than six.

Tango 12-07-2005 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
The media attention that it garnered has been major .It was featured repeatedly on CNN 2 days ago .Also anytime Stevie appears with Petty .Henley and Joe Walsh would be something worth mentioning on her official site don't you think?

Sorry Charlie. I think that something appearing in the tabloids of the Internet and CNN don't make something justifiable news. It was a PRIVATE affair for a 13 year old girl who is probably on the internet and as horrified that her party has become fodder for the world by the tabloids. No, I don't think anytime Stevie, Petty, Henley and Walsh do something it should be covered on her official site, because-- it was NOT an official event. It's a private event. It lasted-- what-- a couple hours, most of that time was NOT even Nicks related. She owes you nothing.

BombaySapphire3 12-07-2005 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango
Sorry Charlie. I think that something appearing in the tabloids of the Internet and CNN don't make something justifiable news. It was a PRIVATE affair for a 13 year old girl who is probably on the internet and as horrified that her party has become fodder for the world by the tabloids. No, I don't think anytime Stevie, Petty, Henley and Walsh do something it should be covered on her official site, because-- it was NOT an official event. It's a private event. It lasted-- what-- a couple hours, most of that time was NOT even Nicks related. She owes you nothing.

:lol: Now where did I ask for a cut of the Bat Mitzvah payola?My question on this thread is why when even the most obscure appearance or reference to LA Nicks is mentioned on the Nicks Fix including corporate or private shows, that nothing on this show was posted .It's that simple.For example was the recent sighting of her and Mick dining at a Georgetown restaurant an official appearance?


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