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The Nisse 11-01-2005 05:42 AM

Technical question regarding his solos..
 
This may seem like a stupid question, so please be patient with me.. :-)

It's very simple.. When Lindsey does his solos, he takes a note by placing one finger on the fretboard, but then he strums all the strings.. Why don't we hear the rest of the strings? If he had it extremely EQ'ed, then I could understand it. But that's not the case, cause he can shift the string as easily as anything.. A good example of this is the end of 'Gypsy' in The Dance or Live in Boston, the fingers on his left hand are all over the place, but his right hand is taking all the strings.. It's as though that the guitar only picks up the active string..

Do any of you get this...? :o If so, please help..

Han Solo 11-01-2005 06:21 AM

He probably is muting the other strings by touching them with his left hand. A common technique which Lindsey, I'm sure, has completely down.

Do you understand what I'm saying? :D

The Nisse 11-01-2005 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Han Solo
He probably is muting the other strings by touching them with his left hand. A common technique which Lindsey, I'm sure, has completely down.

Do you understand what I'm saying? :D

Yeah, I do.. And I've considered that possibility, but I just can't see him do it in so many instances..

mylittledemon 11-01-2005 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Nisse
This may seem like a stupid question, so please be patient with me.. :-)

It's very simple.. When Lindsey does his solos, he takes a note by placing one finger on the fretboard, but then he strums all the strings.. Why don't we hear the rest of the strings? If he had it extremely EQ'ed, then I could understand it. But that's not the case, cause he can shift the string as easily as anything.. A good example of this is the end of 'Gypsy' in The Dance or Live in Boston, the fingers on his left hand are all over the place, but his right hand is taking all the strings.. It's as though that the guitar only picks up the active string..

Do any of you get this...? :o If so, please help..


Everyone has had some good points on this one. Lindsey primarily plays a lot of open notes as well. I play in the exact same style. The ending to "Gypsy" on "The Dance" is very simple, but sound complex. The notes are played rather quickly on the top three strings.

David 11-01-2005 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
Everyone has had some good points on this one. Lindsey primarily plays a lot of open notes as well. I play in the exact same style. The ending to "Gypsy" on "The Dance" is very simple, but sound complex. The notes are played rather quickly on the top three strings.

So when are you gonna post some audio of your playing? You can't just keep talking about how easy it is to play Lindsey stuff without letting us hear you tackle it no problemo.

Same goes for all you other musicians.

mylittledemon 11-01-2005 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by David
So when are you gonna post some audio of your playing? You can't just keep talking about how easy it is to play Lindsey stuff without letting us hear you tackle it no problemo.

Same goes for all you other musicians.


It IS easy...i still have the 50 MB file of the "come" solo on my work laptop...whenever I find a way to bounce it over so its attainable, I will. Remember, I'm fairly computer illiterate

The Nisse 11-02-2005 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
Actually, he does it with his right hand too. He rests his thumb on the lower string right next to the one he is playing. The entire thumb is at work in this process, going all the way to the wrist usually.

I checked that out yesterday on Live in Boston, and I've never noticed that before. Pretty cool.. But how does he prevent us from hearing the strings that are higher than the one he's playing...?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mylittledemon
Everyone has had some good points on this one. Lindsey primarily plays a lot of open notes as well. I play in the exact same style. The ending to "Gypsy" on "The Dance" is very simple, but sound complex. The notes are played rather quickly on the top three strings.

Yeah, but that doesn't really answer my question.. Cause while he's doing it, he is strumming all the strings. I would like to hear Audios of your playing as well.. ;)

chiliD 11-02-2005 11:24 AM

But, IS he REALLY strumming all the strings or is it an illusion of the camera? :shrug:

I can play single note flurries on my guitar, my hand motion LOOKS like I'm "strumming", but I'm actually only plucking a single string.

David 11-02-2005 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
It IS easy...i still have the 50 MB file of the "come" solo on my work laptop...whenever I find a way to bounce it over so its attainable, I will. Remember, I'm fairly computer illiterate

Excuses, excuses.

Open the file in CDex (freeware) & chop it in half or quarter, & then e-mail it right to You Send It from work.

Or just record something new -- a minute or two to keep file size down. We don't need to hear your entire Come solo.

mylittledemon 11-02-2005 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Nisse
I checked that out yesterday on Live in Boston, and I've never noticed that before. Pretty cool.. But how does he prevent us from hearing the strings that are higher than the one he's playing...?



Yeah, but that doesn't really answer my question.. Cause while he's doing it, he is strumming all the strings. I would like to hear Audios of your playing as well.. ;)


Read the post Chili just made two comments up. He's right. My hands are all over the place but I could just be playing one string. The technique is a flailing, like a banjo picker. The fingernails pick single notes while the hand flails outward. He's not strumming "all" the strings. In fact, Lindsey very rarely "strums."

shackin'up 11-02-2005 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by David
We don't need to hear your entire Come solo.

yes we do.

mylittledemon 11-02-2005 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up
yes we do.

I'll get it up sometime this week. er...that didnt sound right. I promise, I'll get it done. I just work so damn much I dont have time for it...i need a USB cable right now, then I need to chop up the file, or edit it and cut some of it to get the file size down. Any suggestions?

Richard B 11-02-2005 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
I'll get it up sometime this week. er...that didnt sound right. I promise, I'll get it done. I just work so damn much I dont have time for it...i need a USB cable right now, then I need to chop up the file, or edit it and cut some of it to get the file size down. Any suggestions?

I say post the entire 50MB file. I've downloaded larger files even via uSendit.

The Nisse 11-03-2005 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mylittledemon
Read the post Chili just made two comments up. He's right. My hands are all over the place but I could just be playing one string. The technique is a flailing, like a banjo picker. The fingernails pick single notes while the hand flails outward. He's not strumming "all" the strings. In fact, Lindsey very rarely "strums."

Actually.. I've listened through a lot of his solos these last few days, and now I'm sure he's muting the other strings. You can hear it on 'Countdown' very clearly, he's hitting the other strings. So he must mute them.. It's also easy to hear on 'I'm So Afraid', in any live version..

You're very quick to point out that you play just like him, though I find that very hard believe. No offense.. But I've been playing for years, and I find it d*** hard to even sound remotely like him..

David 11-03-2005 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Nisse
You're very quick to point out that you play just like him, though I find that very hard believe. No offense.. But I've been playing for years, and I find it d*** hard to even sound remotely like him..

Because of my background auditioning dozens of people for my FM tribute band, I'm always skeptical, too. Since about 1997, I've auditioned about 25 guitarists who all told me they sounded like Lindsey, & quite frankly none of them did. Which isn't to say that Demon doesn't, but I've just heard so many claims from so many guitarists & drummers & bass players, etc., about their 'style' & whom they were able to sound like & play like, & it never quite panned out that way.

strandinthewind 11-03-2005 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by David
Because of my background auditioning dozens of people for my FM tribute band, I'm always skeptical, too. Since about 1997, I've auditioned about 25 guitarists who all told me they sounded like Lindsey, & quite frankly none of them did. Which isn't to say that Demon doesn't, but I've just heard so many claims from so many guitarists & drummers & bass players, etc., about their 'style' & whom they were able to sound like & play like, & it never quite panned out that way.

Ray Linsdey is out of a job :wavey:

shackin'up 11-03-2005 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard B
I say post the entire 50MB file. I've downloaded larger files even via uSendit.

I agree. I'm not waiting on a chopped up come solo. I wanna hear if he can build up the same tension. For a nonguitarplayer it's not about skills or sound, I'm unaware of that. It's tension and appeal. I need the whole damn solo for that!

The Nisse 11-03-2005 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Ray Linsdey is out of a job :wavey:

I've always been jealous of that man...what a job!

I've been practising the thumb-thing today, and it really is a great technigue.. I've learned to stop before the finger reaches the higher string, it's not difficult at all. The only tough thing is to keep the thumb down and keep the right pressure on the strings..

mylittledemon 11-03-2005 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Nisse
Actually.. I've listened through a lot of his solos these last few days, and now I'm sure he's muting the other strings. You can hear it on 'Countdown' very clearly, he's hitting the other strings. So he must mute them.. It's also easy to hear on 'I'm So Afraid', in any live version..

You're very quick to point out that you play just like him, though I find that very hard believe. No offense.. But I've been playing for years, and I find it d*** hard to even sound remotely like him..


I dont know...maybe the way we're explaining it is hard to understand. I think you'd need to see someone play in that style to really "get it."

On the other note, I said i'd PLAYED like Lindsey. I never said I sounded like him. His tone is quite difficult to achieve. A lot of the live sound is because of the Rick Turner guitar, and the way the sound is run thru the board. His studio sound is relatively easy to re-create. Although, when I play live stuff...I have my own tone. My picking style is just like Lindsey's but I have my own sound too. As I've said before, i learned to play classical guitar 1st...so my style from the start was finger picking. Then I was introduced to Lindsey in high school and it just clicked. I realized the way I was playing could also be done in a "lead players" style.

Eventually...(!) I will get the "Come" solo I recorded in my bedroom and you can see for yourself. The fingerstyle is definitely "lindsey" all the way, but the tone is different. The sound itself is harder to achieve. Plus, he's Lindsey. No one will ever sound exactly like Lindsey but Lindsey.

chiliD 11-03-2005 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David
Because of my background auditioning dozens of people for my FM tribute band, I'm always skeptical, too. Since about 1997, I've auditioned about 25 guitarists who all told me they sounded like Lindsey, & quite frankly none of them did. Which isn't to say that Demon doesn't, but I've just heard so many claims from so many guitarists & drummers & bass players, etc., about their 'style' & whom they were able to sound like & play like, & it never quite panned out that way.


I sound just like me. :D Like me sounding like Eric Clapton. Like me sounding like Peter Green. Like me sounding like Duane Allman. Like me sounding like me.

Are you gonna answer my email sometime this decade, David?

strandinthewind 11-03-2005 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
I sound just like me. :D Like me sounding like Eric Clapton. Like me sounding like Peter Green. Like me sounding like Duane Allman. Like me sounding like me.

Are you gonna answer my email sometime this decade, David?

If you sound like the ALLMAN - I swoon in your direction sir :woohoo:

mylittledemon 11-03-2005 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
Classical guitar playing and Lindsey's fingerpicking are very different. When you play Never Going Back Again, do you play in that classical style? Because if you are then all of our hopes and dreams of you playing just like Lindsey will be crushed. Crushed I tell you.


I am aware that classical playing and Lindsey's fingerpicking are different. I never said otherwise. In general, I DONT play Never Going Back Again....I CAN play it but thats not the point. Playing that song in a "classical style" doesnt even come into play. The major difference really between the two is the way the hand rests on the guitar.

What does it matter anyway? If you can play the song, and people recognize it...great. I taught myself how to play. So even in the classical vein I never played the "correct" way. I taught myself since no one in my family played, nor did I have anyone to learn from. I have never wanted to be a "Lindsey" clone. I play in the same manner but thats about it. If I had about $6000 to spend on gear, and guitars I might sound more "like" Lindsey but I do just fine on my own.

David 11-04-2005 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
What does it matter anyway? If you can play the song, and people recognize it...great. I taught myself how to play. So even in the classical vein I never played the "correct" way. I taught myself since no one in my family played, nor did I have anyone to learn from. I have never wanted to be a "Lindsey" clone. I play in the same manner but thats about it. If I had about $6000 to spend on gear, and guitars I might sound more "like" Lindsey but I do just fine on my own.

I think it's marvelous that we all find such joy & love & good karma in our music. More people should play music: it releases tension but it also builds tension. One could use the good-cholesterol & bad-cholesterol example: playing music releases bad tension but builds good tension.

Would you agree, Demon?

Playing music is goodnight & light & love. And sharing, we must share our goodness & light. Everybody can be healed, I believe. I seek to heal.

David 11-04-2005 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
Are you gonna answer my email sometime this decade, David?

You got a cold! Did you get my answer? I need to look around for the other one. I tend not to keep all the junk.

tuigirl 11-08-2005 03:41 AM

RFM...Here comes the Sun is great! Such a complicated song to attempt and I really like the wee surprise ending. What sort of guitar are you using? Need to go and check out Lux now....

...just did and thats very cool too Lux...pity it was over so quickly!
...I can just imagine LB sitting here listening to these wee snippets with his critical ear, stern face and nodding every once in a while..hahaha

tuigirl 11-08-2005 04:38 AM

hahhaaa.....she's a good bongo player, needs to practise her background harmonies though......seriously, I LIKE the title "Now with hippie children at her feet"...most unusual....:D

Madness Fades 11-08-2005 07:07 AM

Impressive rendition of here comes the sun.
Do you have the tabs for Lindseys version, I cant find them anywhere on the internet, and im gettin really peaved with people sayin its easy just play it by ear.....I CAN'T DO IT.....
Does anyone have extensive LB tabs that they are willing to share!!

Currently Own

http://www.renaissanceguitars.com/Ga...l_IMG_0723.JPG

shackin'up 11-08-2005 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
Good idea, Lux. I think I shall join in on this sweet action. I shall do my best at mimicking the demon and, in turn, put on my Lindsey hat. I give you "Here Comes the Sun" as interpreted by Mr. Buckingham through the BoBo.
http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0...L3BPUQ7NGG4F40

FANTASTIC BoBo !!! You play it very impressive! But also it is more obvious how brilliant Lindsey's arrangement is!!! Your "heavy part" is really Rock&Roll. Great!

Lindsey Jr. 11-08-2005 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
I am aware that classical playing and Lindsey's fingerpicking are different. I never said otherwise. In general, I DONT play Never Going Back Again....I CAN play it but thats not the point. Playing that song in a "classical style" doesnt even come into play. The major difference really between the two is the way the hand rests on the guitar.

What does it matter anyway? If you can play the song, and people recognize it...great. I taught myself how to play. So even in the classical vein I never played the "correct" way. I taught myself since no one in my family played, nor did I have anyone to learn from. I have never wanted to be a "Lindsey" clone. I play in the same manner but thats about it. If I had about $6000 to spend on gear, and guitars I might sound more "like" Lindsey but I do just fine on my own.

So ehm, what are his most used studio guitars ? (tele's or strats or others)

shackin'up 11-08-2005 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
Oh, and while I'm at it, I might as well post something I've been working on. I am not very confident, but I am trying. Don't judge too harshly.
http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...31ATU16JUC6VCF

I like it. It's almost a "black guy on the porch"-traditional. Keep working on your own stuff. You've got some talent!

LINDSEY#1FAN 11-08-2005 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up
FANTASTIC BoBo !!! You play it very impressive! But also it is more obvious how brilliant Lindsey's arrangement is!!! Your "heavy part" is really Rock&Roll. Great!


Wow - I usually don't even like that song, but you did a fantastic job of playing it !!!! I really enjoyed it !!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup: :cool:

Madness Fades 11-08-2005 11:23 AM

Any chance of gettin those tabs lads, We could learn a lot if we sperad the knowledge.

wondergirl9847 11-08-2005 11:51 AM

Dang
 
Ya'll are so talented! :thumbsup:

If I would get off my lazy arse and practice, I might be able to play my guitar. :rolleyes:

MaccaMaBelle 11-08-2005 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
Good idea, Lux. I think I shall join in on this sweet action. I shall do my best at mimicking the demon and, in turn, put on my Lindsey hat. I give you "Here Comes the Sun" as interpreted by Mr. Buckingham through the BoBo.
http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0...L3BPUQ7NGG4F40

Good Lord, that's brilliant! Excellent job, it sounds amazing. :thumbsup: I'm a little disappointed that there are no existing tabs for HCTS, but I'm trying to improve my learn-by-ear skills. Maybe I'll figure it out someday. I also really like your original. Keep it up, it sounds great.

mylittledemon 11-08-2005 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindsey Jr.
So ehm, what are his most used studio guitars ? (tele's or strats or others)

I believe for his "electric guitar" parts he uses Strats more. At least they have that "sound." I'm not 100% sure.

mylittledemon 11-08-2005 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux
So we've been tapping our fingers for a while as we wait for the demon's screaming solo. I got bored with waiting and decided to get out my guitar and try to record something myself. I claim no skill and do not strive for excellence, I simply try.

I present, Lux.


I swear to God, I cant figure out how to get the file to you guys. By the time I actually have time to do it, all of you will be saying it stinks because of the anticipation thats been building. Maybe I"ll post nude photos of myself, THEN the guitar solo...that way the guitar solo will be less of a let down.

David 11-08-2005 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
I swear to God, I cant figure out how to get the file to you guys. By the time I actually have time to do it, all of you will be saying it stinks because of the anticipation thats been building. Maybe I"ll post nude photos of myself, THEN the guitar solo...that way the guitar solo will be less of a let down.

We've all posted sound files of us playing, demon! Now it's your turn!

As Sheryl Crow once said, Come on, come on!!

amber 11-08-2005 09:30 PM

I enjoyed Bobo y Lux's songs.:)
I am also jealous.
I want to hear more.

mylittledemon 11-09-2005 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
I've no idea how to read tabs myself. I'll bet the demon does, with his infinite chasm of knowledge. Perhaps Lux does. Wake up, dearest. The flock needs your assistance.


tab is very simple....however if you dont know the song already, its useless. Tab doesnt show anything other than where to play the notes. Things like timing and vibrato are pretty much lost. Thats the downside to it. Unfortunately I cannot read music. I wish that I could though.

mylittledemon 11-09-2005 02:14 PM

HERE IT IS!!!!!! I finally got the damn thing up. Ok now just so you guys know...it was recorded on a mono camera mic. So the sound is piss poor. I had my little boombox directly to the right of the camera (which you cant see) playing the Live in Boston CD. I had my amp cranked up so its going to overpower the rest of the track. I got really sloppy at the ending because I didnt know the notes...but what the hell.

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