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DavidMn 10-27-2005 12:40 PM

What's going on here!?!?
 
Somewhere in my little pea brain I'm having a REALLY hard time figuring out why officials are saying that they screwed up AGAIN in providing aid in a timely manner to Wilma victims. Someone please tell me what the F**K is goin on here?:mad: :mad: :mad:

dissention 10-27-2005 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
Somewhere in my little pea brain I'm having a REALLY hard time figuring out why officials are saying that they screwed up AGAIN in providing aid in a timely manner to Wilma victims. Someone please tell me what the F**K is goin on here?:mad: :mad: :mad:

Incompetence.

strandinthewind 10-27-2005 12:52 PM

Gov. Bush: Wilma response will 'be better'
Florida governor takes blame for distribution troubles

POMPANO BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said relief agency response to Hurricane Wilma will "be better" Thursday after residents waited for hours the day before for basic supplies such as water, ice and gasoline.

"Today is going to be better, tomorrow is going to be better than today, and the day after tomorrow will be even better," Bush said during a Wednesday news conference.

As the governor accepted blame for distribution troubles that have forced many to wait in long lines for free government water and ice, he also suggested that some residents failed to stock up adequately in advance of Monday's Category 3 hurricane.

"People had ample time to prepare," Bush said. "And it isn't that hard to get 72 hours' worth of food and water ... just to do the simple things that we ask people to do."

President Bush, the governor's brother, was scheduled to tour the region later Thursday.The Bush administration was criticized for its response to Hurricane Katrina in August.

Florida's governor tried to take some of the blame off the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which many critics faulted for a slow response in the earlier hurricane.

"If anybody wants to blame anybody, blame me," the governor said. "Don't blame FEMA. This is our responsibility, and we are doing a good job."

Broward County Mayor Kristin Jacobs said that authorities would lift the region's boil water order later Thursday, allowing residents to drink tap water.

"That should eliminate a lot of the problems with lines," said Jacobs, whose county includes Fort Lauderdale.

She said many local grocery stores would be getting electricity and making and selling ice to residents -- which also will reduce some of the lines.

Florida Power & Light Co., the state's largest electricity supplier, said it had restored power to 689,000 customers as of Wednesday evening. The company said it hoped to restore power to a majority of its customers by November 8.

Also Wednesday, Wilma's death toll in Florida had doubled -- to 10 people -- said a spokeswoman for the Florida Emergency Operations Center in Tallahassee. The hurricane also was blamed for four deaths in Mexico and at least seven in Haiti.

In Sunny Isles Beach north of Miami Beach, 90 cars at one point Wednesday waited in line for fuel at a gas station, while a separate line almost as long formed a block away at another station.

Many of those in line had about half a tank of gas but were determined to fill up in case of fuel shortages.

North of Fort Lauderdale, Oakland Park resident Marcia Jenkins said Wednesday she had tried in vain for two days to get ice.

"Yesterday we stood in line from 12 to about 4, and we didn't get any ice. I gave up and I left," Jenkins said. "So I figured I'd come today and I got to the end of the line and ... no more ice; they said, 'Wait till the next truck.' " (Watch residents express their anger -- 1:19)

Florida's governor said there were 71 distribution points as of Wednesday and that there would be 78 Thursday.

As many as 586 trucks were ferrying supplies to the sites, and 3,700 National Guard members were helping to distribute materials and provide security.

Bush said he had expected the distribution points to be set up within 24 hours after the storm.

"We didn't meet those expectations," he said.

Acting FEMA Director David Paulison, a Miami native, vowed: "We're going to make sure everyone's taken care of."

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff visited South Florida on Wednesday, acknowledging that "everybody's patience has been taxed."

"We are in the process of doing everything within our power to get resources down to the state of Florida," Chertoff said, requesting "everybody's patience and forbearance."

He also said companies that provide fuel and "able-bodied people" with resources have a duty to prepare for predictable disasters such as Wilma so FEMA can concentrate initially on those needing help the most.

Meanwhile, Miami International Airport was phasing in more flights daily as crews surveyed the facility and made needed repairs. (Full story)

Flights head to Mexico
Airline and State Department officials said at least nine U.S. commercial flights were flying to Mexico on Wednesday to rescue some of the 10,000 American tourists who've been stranded since Wilma hit the Yucatan Peninsula last week.

American Airlines was sending five flights, Continental Airlines four and United Airlines one, said spokesmen for the airlines. (Full story)

"We are hoping to continue that through the weekend," American spokesman John Hotard said. (Watch thousands of tourists stranded in Mexico -- 1:15)

A cruise ship also was sent to Cozumel to pick up Americans and take them to Fort Lauderdale free of charge, State Department officials said.

State Department officials estimate at least 8,000 Americans remain in hotels and shelters in Cancun, and another 2,000 are in Merida and 650 on Cozumel.

CNN's Allan Chernoff, Elise Labott and Miles O'Brien contributed to this report.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/10/27/wilma/index.html

Nixxxed 10-27-2005 01:02 PM

This statement is the crux of everything that is wrong with the system:

"People had ample time to prepare," Bush said. "And it isn't that hard to get 72 hours' worth of food and water ... just to do the simple things that we ask people to do."

He obviously hasn't been in a grocery store in years, maybe decades, and has no idea how real people live. I can say from experience that the second a storm enters the Gulf, there is a run on the grocery stores and most supplies are sold out within hours. Even moreso since all the storms last year in Florida, and the Katrina/Rita situation this year.

Panicking people don't have a "share with your neighbor" mentality in these situations - they go in and buy as much as they can to stock up. My brother is a grocery store manager for a large chain here in TX. You wouldn't believe the stories he tells me of people fighting over the last bottles of water or loaves of bread - even when the weather forecasters don't know exactly where the storm is going (and they are never really sure until it actually hits.

snowman 10-27-2005 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
Somewhere in my little pea brain I'm having a REALLY hard time figuring out why officials are saying that they screwed up AGAIN in providing aid in a timely manner to Wilma victims. Someone please tell me what the F**K is goin on here?:mad: :mad: :mad:

I think, after the fiasco w/ Katrina, the gov't is just covering their butts. Beating the press and public to the punch.

krrrby 10-28-2005 12:10 AM

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"Today is going to be better, tomorrow is going to be better than today, and the day after tomorrow will be even better," Bush said during a Wednesday news conference."

Well obviously Gov Bush, Yesterday was not better, today was not better than yesterday, and tomorrow is looking not better than the day before."

Lets face it...we're in a society where the right-winged rich and powerful could give a s*** less how much you make or what your situation is. They just go on national television and help out John Doe and say "its all good"

"Everyone knew...poor little fool."

And whats up with Bush video-conferencing with some soldiers, and footage that was caught with a Pentagon aide staging the soldiers answers??

Is it 2008 yet?

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 12:16 AM

I realize the President is powerful but I don't think he is quite powerful enough to whip up Category 4 and 5 Hurricanes.

Moony 10-28-2005 12:18 AM

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I realize the President is powerful but I don't think he is quite powerful enough to whip up Category 4 and 5 Hurricanes.

Nice try there.

ShangriLaTroubl 10-28-2005 12:20 AM

Want to the know the problem... it's called B U S H

In all forms, that is the problem..whether it be President or Governor..there you have it!

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 12:29 AM

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Nice try there.

Also someone must explain to Democrats that disaster relief must begin on the local level.

But hell why not...


IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!

Beachwood Mac 10-28-2005 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
I realize the President is powerful but I don't think he is quite powerful enough to whip up Category 4 and 5 Hurricanes.

At least give Ann Coulter credit when you use her lines.

BTW, I didn't buy it when she said it either :D

krrrby 10-28-2005 12:40 AM

lol that's true

dissention 10-28-2005 12:44 AM

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At least give Ann Coulter credit when you use her lines.

I've been saying that very same thing for as long as I can remember. :lol:

ShangriLaTroubl 10-28-2005 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Also someone must explain to Democrats that disaster relief must begin on the local level.

But hell why not...


IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!


Well I don't think it's coincidental that the head of a FEDERAL agency (FEMA) stepped down after their disastrous "efforts" of Katrina...Don't forget this was someone BUSH nominated.. Who made the decision that disaster relief MUST begin at the local level? Isn't FEMA (Federal EMERGENCY Management Agency) responsible at all, or is their responsibility nonexistent? It's also funny that when something goes good, you guys will be the first to gloat...but when it goes bad BLAME IT ON THE LOCAL OFFICIALS!

dissention 10-28-2005 12:48 AM

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IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!

Whatever you say, Sleestak.

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
Want to the know the problem... it's called B U S H

In all forms, that is the problem..whether it be President or Governor..there you have it!

at least he wasn't having lunch - or at least thinking about where to have it.

Again- your doing a HECK of a job Brownie :rolleyes:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 01:15 AM

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at least he wasn't having lunch - or at least thinking about where to have it.

Again- your doing a HECK of a job Brownie :rolleyes:

And what are you doing besides ACCUSE?

The President can't just snap his fingers and make it all just go away. It takes time and effort on behalf of the local and state governments. And it should only resort to the federal government in severe cases when the local and state levels simply won't suffice...IE...Katrina. Which of course we all know FEMA's response, in the case of Katrina was down right pathetic.

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:17 AM

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And what are you doing besides ACCUSE?

Oh I don't know - telling the truth - rube


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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
The President can't just snap his fingers and make it all just go away. It takes time and effort on behalf of the local and state governments. And it should only resort to the federal government in severe cases when the local and state levels simply won't suffice...IE...Katrina. Which of course we all know FEMA's response, in the case of Katrina was down right pathetic.

Listen carefully and try to learn - that is cr*p - FEMA took on the roll and failed. Is that too much for you to grasp at this late hour :laugh:

BTW - perhaps if W had not cut the funding to shore up the levees to pay for his BS war for oil, they might have held. Does it pain you that that is a fact. Or, are you more interested in rhetoric - if so, here is some - Your doin a heck of job [eating] Brownie," I mean who really cares about those black people :rolleyes:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 01:21 AM

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Oh I don't know - telling the truth - rube

And of course you are going to use such terms to describe an individual whom you do not even know! Gee. Thanks.



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Listen carefully and try to learn - that is cr*p - FEMA took on the roll and failed. Is that too much for you to grasp at this late hour :laugh:
There hasn't been much that FEMA has succeeded at dear! :lol:

But I still don't understand the complaints this go-round. Even the people in Florida (at least the ones I have heard from) have said that the response has been pretty good thus far.

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:24 AM

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And of course you are going to use such terms to describe an individual whom you do not even know! Gee. Thanks.

As my father used to say - sees like **** smells like **** :shrug:


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There hasn't been much that FEMA has succeeded at dear! :lol:

Well, then why did W praise them - hmmm could it be that he is disconnected from reality :laugh: Also, W said he was the man to keep us safe in an emergency - card laid is a card played baby.

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But I still don't understand the complaints this go-round. Even the people in Florida (at least the ones I have heard from) have said that the response has been pretty good thus far.

I tend to agree. I mean the lines could be shorter and even Jeb admitted that :shrug: So, the bitching about that is legit :shrug:

dissention 10-28-2005 01:27 AM

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Well, then why did W praise them - hmmm could it be that he is disconnected from reality :laugh: Also, W said he was the man to keep us safe in an emergency - card laid is a card played baby.

Michael Brown is still on the payroll, too. Collecting and cashing the checks. I wonder what restaurants he dines at with the money.

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:28 AM

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Michael Brown is still on the payroll, too. Collecting and cashing the checks. I wonder what restaurants he dines at with the money.

Also, you do realize he has a FEMA dining budget :rolleyes: or, maybe that was the rebuke :rolleyes:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 01:33 AM

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As my father used to say - sees like **** smells like **** :shrug:

Ok. Meet me once, and I promise I will disprove your father's crap theory! :nod: :lol:



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Well, then why did W praise them - hmmm could it be that he is disconnected from reality :laugh: Also, W said he was the man to keep us safe in an emergency - card laid is a card played baby.
Because our poor Bushy isn't the brightest in the world, and we knew that when we were voting for him! But a hell of a lot better than Kerry!


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I tend to agree. I mean the lines could be shorter and even Jeb admitted that :shrug: So, the bitching about that is legit :shrug:
But it just seems that the bitching is never-ending and tends to sound more like continuous screeching from the left!

dissention 10-28-2005 01:37 AM

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But it just seems that the bitching is never-ending and tends to sound more like continuous screeching from the left!

Ssshhhh. It's not screeching. It's opining, Sleestak.

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:37 AM

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. . . Because our poor Bushy isn't the brightest in the world, and we knew that when we were voting for him!

LOL - your boat is sinking and you are too blind to see it with that "logic"

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But a hell of a lot better than Kerry!

at least Kerry put his money where his mouth was and was willing to die for his country as opposed to getting his daddy to get him in the National Guard and then failing miserably at that - but hey let's get everyone else to send their kids to a war we didn't have to fight and never mind W didn't serve with any honor when it was his turn :rolleyes:

dissention 10-28-2005 01:40 AM

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LOL - your boat is sinking and you are too blind to see it with that "logic"

Personally, I get pleasure out of hearing him admit to voting for a dolt. The right-wing knows that the human being and fish can coexist peacefully, after all.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 01:41 AM

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Ssshhhh. It's not screeching. It's opining, Sleestak.

No, opining is telling your best friend she looks fat in her dress.

Screeching is incessant, high-pitched, complaints about a situation.



BTW...so are you saying that it is merely the opinion of a few that the relief efforts in Florida have been sub par. Or is it a FACT like in Katrina's case?

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:42 AM

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. . . Screeching is incessant, high-pitched, complaints about a situation . . . .

and ladies and gentlemen - we have an accurate description of Ann the sow Coulter from her biggest fan :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 01:45 AM

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LOL - your boat is sinking and you are too blind to see it with that "logic".

Well we know he is no Reagan! This nomination to the USSC is MORE IMPORTANT than Bush himself is as a President! :nod:

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at least Kerry put his money where his mouth was and was willing to die for his country as opposed to getting his daddy to get him in the National Guard and then failing miserably at that - but hey let's get everyone else to send their kids to a war we didn't have to fight and never mind W didn't serve with any honor when it was his turn :rolleyes:
Of course, only to return and join the moonbats' slandering of his fellow soldiers.

dissention 10-28-2005 01:46 AM

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Screeching is incessant, high-pitched, complaints about a situation.

The right-wing owns the copyright to screeching, then.

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
BTW...so are you saying that it is merely the opinion of a few that the relief efforts in Florida have been sub par. Or is it a FACT like in Katrina's case?

I wasn't really paying to attention to whatever silly argument was going on. I just wanted to make like Bush and use the word "opining."

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:48 AM

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Well we know he is no Reagan!

THANK GOD - and exactly what was humane or Christian or safe about ejecting thousands of mnentally ill people from the safety of the homes and forcing them into the streets :rolleyes:

dissention 10-28-2005 01:49 AM

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Of course, only to return and join the moonbats' slandering of his fellow soldiers.

Tell that to the Vietnamese who had their ears sliced off by American troops. And that's not even scratching the surface. I didn't realize it was slander to state facts. Otherwise, every author of ever textbook that mentions the My Lai massacre would be guilty of "slander."

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 01:49 AM

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The right-wing owns the copyright to screeching, then.

At least our screeching leads to something! Miers dropped that nomination faster than NBC dropped “Inconceivable”...didn't she?



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I wasn't really paying to attention to whatever silly argument was going on. I just wanted to make like Bush and use the word "opining."
I will remember that the next time you to respond to one to of to my to posts to!

dissention 10-28-2005 01:50 AM

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THANK GOD - and exactly what was humane or Christian or safe about ejecting thousands of mnentally ill people from the safety of the homes and forcing them into the streets :rolleyes:

What was humane and Christian about supporting apartheid?

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:51 AM

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. . . Of course, only to return and join the moonbats' slandering of his fellow soldiers.

Please cite to any credible source that says the Vietnam War was in any way a valid war, esp. considering the person involved in the making of the sole cause of it said he had no idea if the sole cause was true :laugh:

Have you ever actually read a history book :laugh:

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:52 AM

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What was humane and Christian about supporting apartheid?

Oh who cares about those black people, I mean after all, our ****e brothers in Christ made them what they are and now they are all uppidity with us :rolleyes:

dissention 10-28-2005 01:52 AM

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At least our screeching leads to something! Miers dropped that nomination faster than NBC dropped “Inconceivable”...didn't she?

You're too stupid to even realize when you're being duped. Thank Harry Reid, he orchestrated the Miers extravaganza.

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I will remember that the next time you to respond to one to of to my to posts to!

You do that, Sleestak.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
THANK GOD - and exactly what was humane or Christian or safe about ejecting thousands of mnentally ill people from the safety of the homes and forcing them into the streets :rolleyes:

Well you would have to go further back than Reagan to really answer that question. The deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill from hospitals began in the 1950's.

strandinthewind 10-28-2005 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Tell that to the Vietnamese who had their ears sliced off by American troops. And that's not even scratching the surface. I didn't realize it was slander to state facts. Otherwise, every author of ever textbook that mentions the My Lai massacre would be guilty of "slander."

Hey now - Ann says the Vietnam War was valid and our soldiers said or did no such thing :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-28-2005 01:53 AM

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You're too stupid to even realize when you're being duped. Thank Harry Reid, he orchestrated the Miers extravaganza.



Ann Coulter...

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With Miers withdrawal, Bush has us back on the team, ready to cheer for him unreservedly. All we ask is that you please not listen to Harry Reid next time.


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