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strandinthewind 10-25-2005 08:30 AM

Abortion Stats
 
I thought this was a cool article on the demographics of people who have abortions.

Reality Vs. Rhetoric in the Abortion Debate

Monday, October 24, 2005

By Martin Frost

I am normally reluctant to write about the highly charged issue of abortion, but this time is an exception.

For those of you who consider all abortion to be murder, you should stop reading now. These remarks are directed to the rest of the population that considers abortion appropriate in at least some circumstances — a clear majority of the American public.

Two noteworthy events occurred recently that are critical to further discussion of this very important public issue: publication by the think tank ThirdWay (search) of a study entitled “The Demographics of Abortion “ and the resignation of Susan Wood, the top Food and Drug Administration official in charge of women’s health issues.

First, let’s examine the ThirdWay study, one of the most comprehensive treatments ever put together on basic facts underlying the abortion issue in this country.

Let’s look at the basic numbers: since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973, there have been more than 40 million abortions in America. According to the study, “one of every three American women will have an abortion by the time they reach 45.” Additionally, in a typical year there are 4.1 million live births, 1.3 million abortions and 900,000 miscarriages.

The study found that “the average woman who seeks an abortion is 24 years old, unwed, earns a yearly income of about $25,000 and already is a mother…She has religious beliefs and is a Christian…the typical abortion is performed around the eighth week — well within the first trimester.”

There are two remarkable findings buried in this study. Again quoting, “The social conservatives’ focus on so-called 'partial-birth abortion' affects, at most, eight of every 10,000 abortions performed. The social liberals’ traditional defense of abortion on the grounds of rape and incest or the life of the mother is irrelevant in approximately 98 of every 100 abortions.”

And then there is the issue of religion. The study found “There is a vast gap between the rhetorical positions that religious leaders take on abortion and the actual practices of the laity in those religions.”

Specifically, Catholics represent 27 percent of those having abortions -- roughly 350,000 per year— and Born-Again or Evangelical Christians represent 13 percent of those having abortions – roughly 170,000 per year.

Obviously, abortion is widely practiced in the United States, even though it remains controversial. Virtually no one is pro-abortion, though millions of people want it to be available as an option when a pregnancy is unplanned or when the mother’s health is seriously at risk.

So what’s the answer? One answer is to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and thus to reduce the need for abortion.

That’s why the resignation of Assistant FDA Commissioner Susan Wood (search) is so significant.

Wood said she was leaving her position with the FDA because of FDA Commissioner Lester M. Crawford’s recent announcement that he would delay approval of the emergency contraceptive Plan B (search), which is also known as the morning-after pill.

Plan B has been available as a prescription-only drug since 1999. Its distributor applied to the FDA for permission to sell the drug over the counter, and an FDA expert advisory panel voted 23 to 4 in favor of their application. It was Crawford’s action delaying approval of this application that prompted Wood’s resignation after working for the FDA for five years.

Plan B prevents pregnancy if taken within 72 hours of sexual activity. Some religious conservatives have opposed it, even though in most cases it prevents fertilization of an egg and there is no abortion. This is the crowd that must believe that conception occurs when they take Cialis (search).

And so we have the situation that abortion is widely practiced in this country by people of all religious persuasions, many of whom are religious conservatives, and our government is taking action that could actually result in more abortions rather than fewer.

These are things that should be discussed openly, even if the subject itself is considered to be radioactive by many politicians.

Martin Frost served in Congress from 1979 to 2005, representing a diverse district in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. He served two terms as chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, the third-ranking leadership position for House Democrats, and two terms as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Frost serves as a regular contributor to FOX News Channel, and is currently a fellow at the Institute of Politics at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. He holds a Bachelor of Journalism degree from the University of Missouri and a law degree from the Georgetown Law Center.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173332,00.html

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 09:42 AM

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1.3 million abortions

oh that is such a good number, wow! :rolleyes:

SuzeQuze 10-25-2005 09:55 AM

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oh that is such a good number, wow! :rolleyes:

Way to pull one stat out of context. How surprising. That is only 8/10ths of a percent of women. That said, I would also like to see the number lower via prevention.

The Tower 10-25-2005 10:04 AM

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oh that is such a good number, wow! :rolleyes:

Yet again, missing the point....
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Obviously, abortion is widely practiced in the United States, even though it remains controversial. Virtually no one is pro-abortion, though millions of people want it to be available as an option when a pregnancy is unplanned or when the mother’s health is seriously at risk.

So what’s the answer? One answer is to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and thus to reduce the need for abortion.

strandinthewind 10-25-2005 10:05 AM

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Way to pull one stat out of context. How surprising. That is only 8/10ths of a percent of women. That said, I would also like to see the number lower via prevention.

Who would not and the article goes out of its way to note very very few people are pro abortion in the sense that it should be used as a BC method. In fact, many agonize over the choice.

Also, I think the actual number of abortions has mostly declined over the last decade.

Personally, I think with proper birth control training instead of the asinine and unrealistic abstinence only crap they are trying to shove down our throats, the rate would decline even more. I mean which is the worse sin, premarital sex or abortion.

sara1998 10-25-2005 10:11 AM

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Plan B prevents pregnancy if taken within 72 hours of sexual activity. Some religious conservatives have opposed it, even though in most cases it prevents fertilization of an egg and there is no abortion. This is the crowd that must believe that conception occurs when they take Cialis (search).
What's the difference between a morning after pill, and daily birth control? Why aren't they opposing birth control?

strandinthewind 10-25-2005 10:14 AM

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What's the difference between a morning after pill, and daily birth control? Why aren't they opposing birth control?

They are. They want no one to have sex at all unless it is to procreate. Having said that, some lesser fundamentalists are less rigid and allow things like blowjobs only, which I am all for - in fact, the more the merrier I say :laugh:

The Tower 10-25-2005 10:18 AM

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I mean which is the worse sin, premarital sex or abortion.

Easy answer: there is nothing wrong with sex ever. Abortion is a sad thing, but better than an unwanted pregnancy.

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They are. They want no one to have *** at all unless it is to procreate. Having said that, some lesser fundamentalists are less rigid and allow things like ******* only, which I am all for - in fact, the more the merrier I say :laugh:

And remember, one can still stay a "******" even if said person gets ****** ** ** ***. :angel:

strandinthewind 10-25-2005 10:25 AM

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. . . And remember, one can still stay a "virgin" even if said person gets ***** up the ***. :angel:

Well, if the recipient was prostrate, would that be down the a$$ :wavey:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 10:28 AM

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Yet again, missing the point....

No I don't think I did. The point is that over 1 million babies slaughtered at the alter of Rove v. Wade again! The baby holocaust continues in America.

The Tower 10-25-2005 10:36 AM

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No I don't think I did.

Yeah, you did.

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The point is that over 1 million babies slaughtered at the alter of Rove v. Wade again! The baby holocaust continues in America.
Babies are not being slaughtered- pregnancies are being terminated.

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…the typical abortion is performed around the eighth week — well within the first trimester.
So, the "typical" abortion is nothing more than a voluntary miscarriage. If you think that is so awful, perhaps you might direct some your rage towards your "god". "It" seems to be on a pretty good killing spree...

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Additionally, in a typical year there are 4.1 million live births, 1.3 million abortions and 900,000 miscarriages.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 10:39 AM

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Yeah, you did.


Babies are not being slaughtered- pregnancies are being terminated.


So, the "typical" abortion is nothing more than a voluntary miscarriage. If you think that is so awful, perhaps you might direct some your rage towards your "god". "It" seems to be on a pretty good killing spree...

WOW! I have to say I'm shocked. Pro-choicer’s are now sugarcoating it with terms like "voluntary miscarriage" and "terminated"...

And now GOD is responsible for the death of babies too! WOW!

You have changed my mind...I'm pro-choice...I take it all back! :rolleyes:

sara1998 10-25-2005 10:42 AM

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The baby holocaust continues in America.

Ya, that's what it is. :rolleyes: So, you think some crack addict would make a good mother? What's that? Give it up for adoption? Why, so it can suffer birth defects for the rest of it's life? Are YOU going to adopt such a child? Who's to take care of this child? Tell me that.

strandinthewind 10-25-2005 10:44 AM

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Ya, that's what it is. :rolleyes: So, you think some crack addict would make a good mother? What's that? Give it up for adoption? Why, so it can suffer birth defects for the rest of it's life? Are YOU going to adopt such a child? Who's to take care of this child? Tell me that.

Better yet, he needs to go to Iraq right now and support the war he glorifies but does nothing to effecutate and as a middle class white male, why should he. I mean the pesky blacks, who make up the bulk of the troops, will fight it for him :rolleyes: What a rube.

The Tower 10-25-2005 10:46 AM

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WOW! I have to say I'm shocked. Pro-choicer’s are now sugarcoating it with terms like "voluntary miscarriage" and "terminated"...

There's nothing to sugarcoat. I don't have issues with abortion. Again, it's sad- but, it's part of life.

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And now GOD is responsible for the death of babies too! WOW!
So who in the christian world is responsible for miscarriages? I thought that life and death were in "god's" hands?

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You have changed my mind...I'm pro-choice...I take it all back! :rolleyes:
As if I care whether or not you are pro-choice.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 10:46 AM

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Ya, that's what it is. :rolleyes: So, you think some crack addict would make a good mother? What's that? Give it up for adoption? Why, so it can suffer birth defects for the rest of it's life? Are YOU going to adopt such a child? Who's to take care of this child? Tell me that.

That shows you have no faith in good people in this country anymore. There are couples everyday who can't have children and would love to adopt. But it seems that adoption is not getting as much attention as the other "a" word!

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"Please don't kill the child. I want the child. Please give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted, and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child, and be loved by the child. From our children's home in Calcutta alone, we have saved over 3,000 children from abortions. These children have brought such love and joy to their adopting parents, and have grown up so full of love and joy!"
- Mother Teresa

dissention 10-25-2005 10:46 AM

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Ya, that's what it is. :rolleyes: So, you think some crack addict would make a good mother? What's that? Give it up for adoption? Why, so it can suffer birth defects for the rest of it's life? Are YOU going to adopt such a child? Who's to take care of this child? Tell me that.

Don't be silly, silly. He wants the babies to be be carried to full term, that way he and his Republican heroes can cut social programs and funding that would help the mother out.

strandinthewind 10-25-2005 10:47 AM

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Don't be silly, silly. He wants the babies to be be carried to full term, that way he and his Republican heroes can cut social programs and funding that would help the mother out.

Interestingly, I believe the cute, disease free white infants are readily adopted :rolleyes:

skcin 10-25-2005 11:08 AM

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That shows you have no faith in good people in this country anymore. There are couples everyday who can't have children and would love to adopt. But it seems that adoption is not getting as much attention as the other "a" word!


Yes. :cool: There are mostly caucasian couples who want caucasian babies (preferably male, without health problems.)

Oh, and btw - there are plenty of gay couples who want to adopt but aren't allowed. I know of only ONE adoption agency who will adopt to 2 male partners. So please don't think that adoption will solve this problem.

The Tower 10-25-2005 11:09 AM

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Interestingly, I believe the cute, disease free white infants are readily adopted :rolleyes:

You are crazy. Everyone knows that the crack addicted black babies and FAS babies with massive mental disorders are all the rage right now.

strandinthewind 10-25-2005 11:10 AM

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You are crazy. Everyone knows that the crack addicted black babies and FAS babies with massive mental disorders are all the rage right now.

And - when allowed, many gay people take these babies - rather Christian of them isn't it.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 11:12 AM

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And - when allowed, many gay people take these babies - rather Christian of them isn't it.

Oh, so now gays are the only compassionate people on the planet?

OMG! Most everything that comes out of your keyboard is utterly preposterous.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 11:13 AM

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Yes. :cool: There are mostly caucasian couples who want caucasian babies (preferably male, without health problems.)

Oh, and btw - there are plenty of gay couples who want to adopt but aren't allowed. I know of only ONE adoption agency who will adopt to 2 male partners. So please don't think that adoption will solve this problem.

I know what will solve the problem though, for the most part.

MAKING ABORTION ILLEGAL!

dissention 10-25-2005 11:15 AM

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You are crazy. Everyone knows that the crack addicted black babies and FAS babies with massive mental disorders are all the rage right now.

Hell yes. I carry a few of them around in a papoose wherever I go because they're the hottest accessory since last season's Manolo Blahnik's.

The Tower 10-25-2005 11:24 AM

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Oh, so now gays are the only compassionate people on the planet?

He never said that. Nice putting words into people's mouths. Typical.

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OMG! Most everything that comes out of your keyboard is utterly preposterous.
POT - KETTLE - BLACK

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Hell yes. I carry a few of them around in a papoose wherever I go because they're the hottest accessory since last season's Manolo Blahnik's.

Paris Hilton had one last season, but she dumped it on her mom when she realized she could get her hands on a Down's Syndrom baby that survived the Indonesian Tsunami....

skcin 10-25-2005 11:25 AM

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I know what will solve the problem though, for the most part.

MAKING ABORTION ILLEGAL!


That will solve the problem of unwanted pregnancies resulting in unwanted babies growing up into unwanted kids & living in foster care or a home until they are dumped at age 18?

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 11:25 AM

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He never said that. Nice putting words into people's mouths. Typical.


POT - KETTLE - BLACK


Paris Hilton had one last season, but she dumped it on her mom when she realized she could get her hands on a Down's Syndrom baby that survived the Indonesian Tsunami....

Just hit the ignore button, please! :lol:

skcin 10-25-2005 11:26 AM

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Paris Hilton had one last season, but she dumped it on her mom when she realized she could get her hands on a Down's Syndrom baby that survived the Indonesian Tsunami....


ROTFLMAO! :xoxo:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 11:26 AM

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That will solve the problem of unwanted pregnancies resulting in unwanted babies growing up into unwanted kids & living in foster care or a home until they are dumped at age 18?

And how did the world ever survive before modern technology?

skcin 10-25-2005 11:34 AM

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And how did the world ever survive before modern technology?

So technology forces people to get pregnant & abort? :shrug:

Well, disease & illness that people knew nothing about at the time killed a lot of kids before they reached adulthood, esp. if the kids were poor & couldn't afford medical treatment. Harsh, but true. Also, many many babies and moms died during childbirth due to complications.

Not to mention the fact that women have been using home remedies for centuries (herbs, etc) to induce miscarriage, or did home abortions. Or committed suicide. It's not like unwanted pregnancies and terminating them have just started occuring in our lifetime.

Yeah, damn that technology, let's go back to the old days! :nod:

:rolleyes:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 11:35 AM

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So technology forces people to get pregnant & abort? :shrug:

WOOOOOOOOSH! What was that.

I thinkt he sound of, whatever I just said, going over your head.

The Tower 10-25-2005 11:35 AM

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Just hit the ignore button, please! :lol:

Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

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And how did the world ever survive before modern technology?

For the most part, it didn't.

"God" rained down disease and killed off the weak before they grew into adulthood and our modern social safety nets didn't exist. Abortion existed, though.

http://www.answers.com/topic/abortion
"History of Abortion

Abortion induced by herbs or manipulation was used as a form of birth control in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome and probably earlier. In the Middle Ages in Western Europe it was generally accepted in the early months of pregnancy. However, in the 19th cent. opinion about abortion changed. In 1869 the Roman Catholic Church prohibited abortion under any circumstances. In England and in the United States in the 19th cent. stringent antiabortion laws were passed."

skcin 10-25-2005 11:37 AM

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WOOOOOOOOSH! What was that.

I thinkt he sound of, whatever I just said, going over your head.


Oh no, sweetie. It went right in. Thank God I was able to spew it out soon enough. :D

See the rest of my answer (and Tower's) to answer your question about wht happened before technology.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 11:37 AM

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Sorry, ain't gonna happen.


For the most part, it didn't.

"God" rained down disease and killed off the weak before they grew into adulthood and our modern social safety nets didn't exist. Abortion existed, though.

http://www.answers.com/topic/abortion
"History of Abortion

Abortion induced by herbs or manipulation was used as a form of birth control in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome and probably earlier. In the Middle Ages in Western Europe it was generally accepted in the early months of pregnancy. However, in the 19th cent. opinion about abortion changed. In 1869 the Roman Catholic Church prohibited abortion under any circumstances. In England and in the United States in the 19th cent. stringent antiabortion laws were passed."

Then I'm just going to start ignoring you...

The Tower 10-25-2005 11:38 AM

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Then I'm just going to start ignoring you...

Well, that's a start!

skcin 10-25-2005 11:54 AM

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Then I'm just going to start ignoring you...


Again with your ignore button obsession.

Why haven't you addressed the answers Tower & I gave you? About technology? :shrug:

EDIT: Of course, now you're gone. Seems to happen a lot that you post & debate here for a few hours & then leave suddenly, usually when things get heated or someone poses you a difficult question or seriously answers a sarcastic question you had asked.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence. No big. Hopefully you can address Tower's & my posts when you get back.

sara1998 10-25-2005 12:11 PM

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Then I'm just going to start ignoring you...

Ignore him for what? Calling you out?

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 12:13 PM

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Again with your ignore button obsession.

Why haven't you addressed the answers Tower & I gave you? About technology? :shrug:

EDIT: Of course, now you're gone. Seems to happen a lot that you post & debate here for a few hours & then leave suddenly, usually when things get heated or someone poses you a difficult question or seriously answers a sarcastic question you had asked.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence. No big. Hopefully you can address Tower's & my posts when you get back.

Because it doesn't change the point of my original idea that abortion is murder. What you post about abortions is the past I already knew about, and I never claimed that "modern technology" was the cause of abortion..."modern stupidity" can be blamed for that.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-25-2005 12:14 PM

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Ignore him for what? Calling you out?

Because I'm having a bad day! :lol:

sara1998 10-25-2005 12:15 PM

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That shows you have no faith in good people in this country anymore.

You have no faith in women to make the right decisions for theirselves.


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