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strandinthewind 10-17-2005 07:34 PM

W approval rating continues to decline
 
Bush's job rating continues to drop

Poll shows president's performance approval at low point


(CNN) -- President Bush's job approval rating continues to plummet, with 39 percent of Americans surveyed in the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll supporting his performance, compared to 58 percent expressing disapproval.

The approval rating was lowest the poll has recorded during Bush's presidency, down from 45 percent in a survey taken September 26-28, and the disapproval rating was up from 50 percent.

The latest poll results, released Monday, were based on interviews with 1,012 adult Americans conducted by telephone October 13-16. In both surveys, the questions on approval ratings had a sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Bush has seen his approval rating steadily decline since he was sworn in for a second term in January, when 57 percent approved of his handling of the job and 40 percent disapproved.

The rating in the September 26-28 poll was an uptick that reflected the public's generally favorable view of the way Bush handled Hurricane Rita. (Full story)

His previous low of 40 percent came earlier in September and reflected the public's strongly negative view of his actions following Hurricane Katrina. (Full story)

Until then, pollsters attributed the president's poll slippage largely to perceptions of the administration's handling of the war in Iraq. (Full story)

In the latest poll, Bush's support appeared to have eroded even among suburban residents, who had been among his strongest backers, falling from 51 percent in last month's poll to 41 percent in the latest survey.

Among urban residents, his approval rating did not budge from 34 percent, and among rural residents it was almost the same, 44 percent versus 45 percent last month.

The sampling error for these and other questions that were broken down among groups was plus or minus 7 percentage points in both polls.

Base remains supportive
Bush's base appeared to remain largely supportive, with 62 percent of respondents who described themselves as conservative approving of his performance, down from 68 percent last month.

Support from moderates fell from 40 percent to 32 percent, and remained about the same for liberals, rising from 14 percent to 17 percent.

And the GOP faithful remained overwhelmingly steadfast in their support, with 84 percent voicing approval, versus 85 percent in last month's poll.

That was not the case among those who identified themselves as Democrats, whose support for Bush dropped from 15 percent to 8 percent.

It appeared that many Americans do not know what to make of the travails of top Bush political adviser Karl Rove, who was interviewed again last week by a grand jury regarding his possible role in leaking the name of a CIA operative.

Asked their opinion Rove, 22 percent of respondents said it was favorable, down from 25 percent in July, and 39 percent said it was unfavorable, up from 34 percent in July.

But 39 percent said they were unsure, down from 41 percent in July's poll. Both questions had a sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/...ush/index.html

David 10-17-2005 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Bush's base appeared to remain largely supportive, with 62 percent of respondents who described themselves as conservative

What are they interested in conserving?

strandinthewind 10-17-2005 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by David
What are they interested in conserving?

Their ill gotten gains :shrug:

SteveMacD 10-17-2005 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by David
What are they interested in conserving?

Traditional American values. You know, the ones where we keep certain groups down. When the country was founded, that basically meant non-land owners, blacks, and women. These days, it's Muslims, blacks, and homosexuals.


Sorry. Weird day at the office.

ontheEdgeof17 10-17-2005 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
Traditional American values. You know, the ones where we keep certain groups down. When the country was founded, that basically meant non-land owners, blacks, and women. These days, it's Muslims, blacks, and homosexuals.


Sad, but kinda true.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-17-2005 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
Traditional American values. You know, the ones where we keep certain groups down. When the country was founded, that basically meant non-land owners, blacks, and women. These days, it's Muslims, blacks, and homosexuals.


Sorry. Weird day at the office.

Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies....

ShangriLaTroubl 10-17-2005 09:15 PM

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Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies....

Oh yes you're right, those groups are CERTAINLY respected by our government, riighhhttt?

Chris

SteveMacD 10-17-2005 09:30 PM

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Oh yes you're right, those groups are CERTAINLY respected by our government, riighhhttt?

What do you expect. He has a pic in his sig of a guy who forgot he had a penis standing next to some twat who's never seen a penis, but really, REALLY needs to see a penis. If that's the best conservatives can come up with, this country is screwed!

gldstwmn 10-17-2005 09:31 PM

I really don't know what to say about these reports anymore.:laugh:

Johnny Stew 10-17-2005 10:42 PM

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I really don't know what to say about these reports anymore.:laugh:

Personally, I'm quite fond of "Neener-Neener-Neener!" :laugh:

gldstwmn 10-17-2005 10:55 PM

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Personally, I'm quite fond of "Neener-Neener-Neener!" :laugh:

I was saving that for the indictments.:laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-17-2005 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
Oh yes you're right, those groups are CERTAINLY respected by our government, riighhhttt?

Chris

If you want to believe that republicans really do hate blacks and minorities then you are free to do so...however we will just laugh at you! :laugh: ;)

Let's not forget that it was democrats saying horrible things about blacks in NOLA after Katrina, all for the sake of better attacking the president...From cannibalism to raping children...You name it the democrats will say it.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-17-2005 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
What do you expect. He has a pic in his sig of a guy who forgot he had a penis standing next to some twat who's never seen a penis, but really, REALLY needs to see a penis. If that's the best conservatives can come up with, this country is screwed!

Wow, liberals keep getting smarter and smarter!

When you don't have a credible argument (NEVER) you result to really bad jokes! Were we supposed to laugh at that?

Johnny Stew 10-17-2005 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
If you want to believe that republicans really do hate blacks and minorities then you are free to do so...however we will just laugh at you! :laugh: ;)

Sweetheart, just check their voting records and it all becomes clear.

Johnny Stew 10-17-2005 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Wow, liberals keep getting smarter and smarter!

When you don't have a credible argument (NEVER) you result to really bad jokes! Were we supposed to laugh at that?

Yeah, good thing that Limbaugh and Coulter and Savage and all the rest never make jokes at the expense of liberals! ;)

Brwn_eyes0511 10-17-2005 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Sweetheart, just check their voting records and it all becomes clear.

Well the liberal idea of being racist is to oppose affirmative action and denounce it AS racist...

Brwn_eyes0511 10-17-2005 11:16 PM

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Yeah, good thing that Limbaugh and Coulter and Savage and all the rest never make jokes at the expense of liberals! ;)

Yea, but their jokes are quite funny...especially Ann's jokes. And at least they are based in TRUTH. When you have someone like SteveMacD opening their trap about "Coulter never seeing a penis" it just becomes really sad. And above all it isn't funny. I will be the first to laugh at any joke if it is funny...I don't care if it is made by a liberal or conservative (why do you suppose I watch Bill Maher every week). But the fact is that most liberals wouldn't know a good joke if it hit them in the face.

Johnny Stew 10-17-2005 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Well the liberal idea of being racist is to oppose affirmative action and denounce it AS racist...

So denying minorities a law that will protect them from discrimination, and will help level the playing field for them, isn't racist?

Sounds like more twisted logic from the party that demands that our government forbids a woman from terminating a pregnancy because it's taking a life created by God, but condones capital punishment.
Apparently people in prison were not created by God?

By the way, blacks aren't the only minorities that the Republican Party constantly works to keep down. Check out how they vote regading Anti-Hate Crime bills.

I admire your loyalty to your party, but don't be fooled into thinking they're looking out for your best interests or mine.

Johnny Stew 10-17-2005 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
But the fact is that most liberals wouldn't know a good joke if it hit them in the face.

There's another Ann Coulter/penis joke right there, but I'll be a good boy. :angel: :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-17-2005 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
So denying minorities a law that will protect them from discrimination, and will help level the playing field for them, isn't racist?

Affirmative action IS racist my friend. It sends a condescending message to minorities that they are not capable enough to be considered on their own merits.
Why don't you try researching it a little. Better yet, check out this wonderful organization called the Center for Individual Rights. www.cir-usa.org. They have worked at specifically dismantling affirmative action laws.

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Sounds like more twisted logic from the party that demands that our government forbids a woman from terminating a pregnancy because it's taking a life created by God, but condones capital punishment.
Apparently people in prison were not created by God?
Taking the life of a convicted murderer, and taking the life of an innocent child...are you comparing the two?

Flip the switch...they deserve it!

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By the way, blacks aren't the only minorities that the Republican Party constantly works to keep down. Check out how they vote regading Anti-Hate Crime bills.
What's your point? We will have to bring up the "Anti-Hate Crime bills" if you would like to discuss that. Maybe, just maybe, that "Anti-Hate Crime bills" aren't all they are cracked up to be?

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I admire your loyalty to your party, but don't be fooled into thinking they're looking out for your best interests or mine.
I'm loyal to TRUE conservatives. I vote republican because conservatives just happen to be affiliated with that party.

So your party is perfect and does everything in it's power to protect our civil rights? Right....:rolleyes:

Brwn_eyes0511 10-17-2005 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
There's another Ann Coulter/penis joke right there, but I'll be a good boy. :angel: :laugh:

No by all means say it. If it is a good joke I will love it...even Ann would. But the one that was mentioned in the post above...was just down right ridiculous!.

heyjupiter678 10-18-2005 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
If you want to believe that republicans really do hate blacks and minorities then you are free to do so...however we will just laugh at you! :laugh: ;)

Not all of them, no. But most of the republicans I know personally do hate blacks and minorities. I could be wrong, but since you live pretty close to me, I'm willing to bet that many of the ones you know feel that way, too.

ShangriLaTroubl 10-18-2005 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
If you want to believe that republicans really do hate blacks and minorities then you are free to do so...however we will just laugh at you! :laugh: ;)

Let's not forget that it was democrats saying horrible things about blacks in NOLA after Katrina, all for the sake of better attacking the president...From cannibalism to raping children...You name it the democrats will say it.

Haha..No no you're right---the REPUBLICANS are the party of the black people---riiiiighhttt.

I don't 100% agree with affirmative action either, but I know if it's not there that racist bosses will have nothing to check them ,and will totally go crazy. I guess you believe racism doesn't exist anymore huh?

Chris

David 10-18-2005 12:18 AM

Politics, politics, politics. . . .

ShangriLaTroubl 10-18-2005 12:18 AM

In light of your sig pic Brown Eyes I think I should add my rebuttal pic!

MY HEROES



Johnny Stew 10-18-2005 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Affirmative action IS racist my friend. It sends a condescending message to minorities that they are not capable enough to be considered on their own merits.
Why don't you try researching it a little. Better yet, check out this wonderful organization called the Center for Individual Rights. www.cir-usa.org. They have worked at specifically dismantling affirmative action laws.

A couple of upper-class white guys fighting against Affirmative Action. Why am I not impressed (or surprised)?

I get a kick out of their belief that "Minorities can get into college without affirmative action by attending less competitive colleges."

Well, how generous of them! "Hey, you're poor and black -- what the hell do you need to go to a good college for? You should feel lucky to go to college at all!"

Instead of asking a couple of white boys what THEY think about Affirmative Action, maybe it's better to ask African Americans... and the NAACP certainly doesn't believe that Affirmative Action is racist.

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Taking the life of a convicted murderer, and taking the life of an innocent child...are you comparing the two?

Flip the switch...they deserve it!

A life that God created, is a life that God created. Pure and simple.
Why is it that Republicans think we should get to pick and choose which lives we should save and which we should spare?
It shouldn't be one or the other -- it should pertain to ALL lives. If we're REALLY going to follow "God's Laws," then we should know that it's not OUR place to take ANY life.

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Maybe, just maybe, that "Anti-Hate Crime bills" aren't all they are cracked up to be?

Yeah, because they protect gays and give them legal recourse if someone decides to go "fag bashing." And we wouldn't want to help them out. No, what we need to do is to protect Bubba and Jim-Bob, so they can keep working on eradicating the gay scourge.

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
I'm loyal to TRUE conservatives. I vote republican because conservatives just happen to be affiliated with that party.

So your party is perfect and does everything in it's power to protect our civil rights? Right....:rolleyes:

The Democratic Party is FAR from perfect.

They back down far too often because they're afraid of alienating fence-sitting voters... but at least they don't do that whole yellow-bellied, two-faced, "I have no problems with gay people, in fact some of my best friends are gay -- but I'm certainly not EVER going to do anything to protect their civil rights" Republican spiel.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-18-2005 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
Haha..No no you're right---the REPUBLICANS are the party of the black people---riiiiighhttt.

I don't 100% agree with affirmative action either, but I know if it's not there that racist bosses will have nothing to check them ,and will totally go crazy. I guess you believe racism doesn't exist anymore huh?

Chris

Yes it does exist...and affirmative action doesn't help the cause.

Brwn_eyes0511 10-18-2005 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by David
Politics, politics, politics. . . .

We get so involved sometimes do we not?

ShangriLaTroubl 10-18-2005 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Yes it does exist...and affirmative action doesn't help the cause.


How so? Don't you think if college admissions were ONLY based on qualifications, that there would be NO blacks, women, or other minorities discriminated against?

Brwn_eyes0511 10-18-2005 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
In light of your sig pic Brown Eyes I think I should add my rebuttal pic!

MY HEROES



Stevie had better watch herself with Bill "rock star" Clinton...

She looks great as usual. The pink tie...well I'm not going there.

estranged4life 10-18-2005 12:29 AM

I prefer...
 
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Originally Posted by David
Politics, politics, politics. . . .

music, music, music and/or sex, sex, sex over lame as dirt politics, politics, politics and those crooks, crooks, crooks who are involved with it, it, it

Brian, brian, brian "Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t" j. j. j.

ShangriLaTroubl 10-18-2005 12:31 AM

Also it's important to add that affirmative action in recent history has moved away from using QUOTAS, which helps prevent hiring unqualified people.

ShangriLaTroubl 10-18-2005 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Stevie had better watch herself with Bill "rock star" Clinton...

She looks great as usual. The pink tie...well I'm not going there.

Hey I wore a pink shirt today...whats wrong with pink? lol

Chris

estranged4life 10-18-2005 12:34 AM

If I were to...
 
go to college for a 3rd time (Never say never) here in Oklahoma, I can check that I am "Native American" (Which I am, Since I am a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma rolls) and get an advantage over white/black/foreign/etc. students in the draw for acceptance.

Hell, if I wanted to, I could move to Fayetteville, Arkansas and attend UofA for next to nothing (I think it would only cost me about $4500 for 4 years) for being Cherokee.

ShangriLaTroubl 10-18-2005 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life
go to college for a 3rd time (Never say never) here in Oklahoma, I can check that I am "Native American" (Which I am, Since I am a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma rolls) and get an advantage over white/black/foreign/etc. students in the draw for acceptance.

Hell, if I wanted to, I could move to Fayetteville, Arkansas and attend UofA for next to nothing (I think it would only cost me about $4500 for 4 years) for being Cherokee.


Makes me WONDER why dont I get special treatment and my college paid for, for going to college in Calif since caucasions are now the minority in Calif...??

Johnny Stew 10-18-2005 12:36 AM

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Hey I wore a pink shirt today...whats wrong with pink? lol

Apparently, wearing pink makes a guy look... :shocked:... gay.

ShangriLaTroubl 10-18-2005 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Apparently, wearing pink makes a guy look... :shocked:... gay.

Well I think we all know Billy loves women right? :p

Chris

Brwn_eyes0511 10-18-2005 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
A couple of upper-class white guys fighting against Affirmative Action. Why am I not impressed (or surprised)?

I get a kick out of their belief that "Minorities can get into college without affirmative action by attending less competitive colleges."

Well, how generous of them! "Hey, you're poor and black -- what the hell do you need to go to a good college for? You should feel lucky to go to college at all!"

Instead of asking a couple of white boys what THEY think about Affirmative Action, maybe it's better to ask African Americans... and the NAACP certainly doesn't believe that Affirmative Action is racist.

And the NAACP speaks for all black people? Thank GOD ten percent of black voters actually GET IT!

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A life that God created, is a life that God created. Pure and simple.
Why is it that Republicans think we should get to pick and choose which lives we should save and which we should spare?
It shouldn't be one or the other -- it should pertain to ALL lives. If we're REALLY going to follow "God's Laws," then we should know that it's not OUR place to take ANY life.
Well firstly you should remember that not ALL Republicans are for capital punishment. But the fact that you still, in some way, believe that you can compare abortion to capital punishment is quite scary.

I have myself struggled with capital punishment, but after knowing all of the horrific crimes these people have committed, I just feel it is just punishment. And you and I both know that most of these convicted murderers will never be put to death anyway.

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Yeah, because they protect gays and give them legal recourse if someone decides to go "fag bashing." And we wouldn't want to help them out. No, what we need to do is to protect Bubba and Jim-Bob, so they can keep working on eradicating the gay scourge.
And if this is what you think of the republican party and the conservative movement then you are misguided.

It makes me sick whenever liberals actually blame the death of victims like Matthew Shepard, who was brutally killed by thugs, on conservative Republicans.

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"The Christian Right, per se, and some particular members on Capitol Hill, have helped inflame the air so that the air that these bad people breathed that night was filled, filled with the idea that somehow gays were different, and only are they different in that difference, they're bad and not only are they bad they are evil and therefore can be destroyed... I mentioned Trent Lott, Jesse Helms and Dick Armey particularly. The Christian Coalition, the Family Research Council and the Concerned Women for America...'' -- Deborah Mathis
As our dear Ann observes in her book, "Slander", about the above quote...

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"Mathis could remember the names of the destroyers with some precision, but the "three-step process" became rather vague between step one and step three. Without the second and third steps - the part where Republicans start hectoring the populace that gays "are evil and therefore can be destroyed" - the first "step" doesn't amount to much. Aren't gays "different"? Because if gays aren't different, then heterosexuals are different and Republicans have a lot more murders to answer for than Matthew Shepard's."
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The Democratic Party is FAR from perfect.
Boy you're telling me. :xoxo:

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They back down far too often because they're afraid of alienating fence-sitting voters... but at least they don't do that whole yellow-bellied, two-faced, "I have no problems with gay people, in fact some of my best friends are gay -- but I'm certainly not EVER going to do anything to protect their civil rights" Republican spiel.
You act as if gays have a seperate water fountain that they must drink out of!

ShangriLaTroubl 10-18-2005 12:48 AM

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You act as if gays have a seperate water fountain that they must drink out of!


That was pretty low. I think denying gay people of their basic rights is comparable, don't you? Or do you think they don't deserve to marry who they love, or to be able to adopt kids because of their sexuality? Sure, they are treated so fairly, is that what you think?

Brwn_eyes0511 10-18-2005 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Apparently, wearing pink makes a guy look... :shocked:... gay.

Now, did I say that?


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