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SortaSavageLike 10-07-2005 07:25 PM

I just bought Bella Donna, and...
 
Well, I'm not really dissapointed, but I am feeling a bit confused :shrug:. I've probably heard SDMHA, Eo17, and Leather and Lace a hundred times before, and really liked The Highwayman, Bella Donna, and ATGF the first time, but I'm sort of undecided about the other four songs. It usually takes me a few good listens before I can appreciate most music. Heck, I had to listen to to Tusk in its entirety eight times before I really "got it". I just hope this album grows on me soon.

Guess its back to Mystery to Me for a little while. Oh, and BD could really use a good remastering job. Didn't this CD come out in 1984? :confused:

Phoenix 10-07-2005 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike
Well, I'm not really dissapointed, but I am feeling a bit confused :shrug:. I've probably heard SDMHA, Eo17, and Leather and Lace a hundred times before, and really liked The Highwayman, Bella Donna, and ATGF the first time, but I'm sort of undecided about the other four songs. It usually takes me a few good listens before I can appreciate most music. Heck, I had to listen to to Tusk in its entirety eight times before I really "got it". I just hope this album grows on me soon.

Guess its back to Mystery to Me for a little while. Oh, and BD could really use a good remastering job. Didn't this CD come out in 1984? :confused:

Give "Outside the Rain" another chance.It has that great sort of moody quality and is very sexy . Then get a rockin live version! It will become a favorite, trust me!
Welcome :wavey:

Jyqm 10-07-2005 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike
Oh, and BD could really use a good remastering job. Didn't this CD come out in 1984? :confused:

I'm not sure when the CD first came out, but it wouldn't surprise me if it had been one of the first in 1984. Unfortunately, though, you can take that sentence and apply to nearly every album in Fleetwood Mac/affiliates' catalogues, except the three that were just reissued.

Does anybody know how the FM/Rumours/Tusk reissues sold, by the way? You'd think if they did well enough they'd be planning some remasters for the rest of the catalogue...

Ghost_Tracker 10-07-2005 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike
Well, I'm not really dissapointed, but I am feeling a bit confused :shrug:. I've probably heard SDMHA, Eo17, and Leather and Lace a hundred times before, and really liked The Highwayman, Bella Donna, and ATGF the first time, but I'm sort of undecided about the other four songs. It usually takes me a few good listens before I can appreciate most music. Heck, I had to listen to to Tusk in its entirety eight times before I really "got it". I just hope this album grows on me soon.

:confused:


Check out "Kind of Woman" - if you think about what she's
really saying, it's amazingly well-done. Especially at the
end where she's contrasting how being with the wrong
guy might feel like heaven - but it's not the REAL heaven
("it's to be . . . heaven . . . as CLOSE - - - as it FEELS -
to HEAVEN. I know - I know.....")

"Outside's the Rain" is also a really fun, upbeat song, and was
considered one of her best up to that point. And it's kinda complex,
and has a lot to do with how she was apparently feeling at that time.

By the way Bella Donna has not just a double but a triple meaning -
it's Italian for "Beautiful Woman," but it also is an addictive drug -
and also, it's a deadly poison.
( "Until she herself . . . became the deadliest poison -
as she grew older." )

catinthedark 10-07-2005 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike
Oh, and BD could really use a good remastering job. Didn't this CD come out in 1984? :confused:

Not sure - but my Mirage CD could sure use a little remastering, too.

But back to the topic at hand... Give Kind of Woman a few more listens. Well worth it... Though I know how you feel about Bella Donna as a whole. It's not my fave solo Stevie either. I actually find it a little.... drab... (*ducks!*). I find the opening notes of Bella Donna suicide inducing. I do like the song, but I often hit "skip" before I get to the first lyrics. And years of Stevie shows have made me sick of Outside the Rain, too. Uh, maybe I should just quit while I'm ahead here... :sorry: I do adore SDMHA.... and Edge...

LiquidBlue5000 10-07-2005 08:05 PM

Bella Donna, The Wild Heart, and Rock A Little, all desperately need to be remastered... oh, and if and when they do get re-released, let's hope bonus tracks, demos, and outtakes get added to it.. :angel:

Nixxxed 10-07-2005 08:46 PM

You got it at the perfect time, though. It's a very Fall/Winter album to me. So it will all make sense in the next few months, especially the dead zone after all the holidaze are over. Never fear.

You don't like "How Still My Love"? Not even the "STANDING ... in the doorway" part? :shrug:

And oh, how I wish I had a new Stevie album to discover...

David 10-07-2005 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed
And oh, how I wish I had a new Stevie album to discover...

I heard Stevie's working on a new album.

Actually, I didn't hear any such thing. I just made that up. :laugh:

Nixxxed 10-07-2005 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David
I heard Stevie's working on a new album.

Actually, I didn't hear any such thing. I just made that up. :laugh:

That's funny, cuz I heard Lindsey's been working on one too. :laugh:

GateandGarden 10-07-2005 09:30 PM

It was first released, in '81, am I right?

Anyway, it took me a few listens to get into it. It took me many more listens to Tusk. I can't even count how many. Tusk took a long time to grow on me, but it was worth it.

GODDESS6 10-07-2005 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
Bella Donna, The Wild Heart, and Rock A Little, all desperately need to be remastered... oh, and if and when they do get re-released, let's hope bonus tracks, demos, and outtakes get added to it.. :angel:

i soooooo agree w/ the remastering~ i truly love this album tho, bigtime :thumbsup: ~

catinthedark 10-07-2005 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David
I heard Stevie's working on a new album.

Actually, I didn't hear any such thing. I just made that up. :laugh:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup:

I think you just made my night.

AliceLover 10-07-2005 10:41 PM

The first time I heard this album and I still love it to this day. From the minute I heard highwayman I disliked it and I still do! :wavey:

AliceLover 10-07-2005 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David
I heard Stevie's working on a new album.

Actually, I didn't hear any such thing. I just made that up. :laugh:

Bravo! :laugh:

DavidMn 10-07-2005 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike
Well, I'm not really dissapointed, but I am feeling a bit confused :shrug:. I've probably heard SDMHA, Eo17, and Leather and Lace a hundred times before, and really liked The Highwayman, Bella Donna, and ATGF the first time, but I'm sort of undecided about the other four songs. It usually takes me a few good listens before I can appreciate most music. Heck, I had to listen to to Tusk in its entirety eight times before I really "got it". I just hope this album grows on me soon.

Guess its back to Mystery to Me for a little while. Oh, and BD could really use a good remastering job. Didn't this CD come out in 1984? :confused:

Well, thats a start

Phoenix 10-07-2005 11:15 PM

[QUOTE=catinthedark] And years of Stevie shows have made me sick of Outside the Rain,

Oh! how I whish that I had YOUR problem there! BOO HOO HOO
(somewhere in the world, the smallest violin is playing...) :xoxo:

Hawkeye 10-07-2005 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike
Well, I'm not really dissapointed, but I am feeling a bit confused :shrug:. I've probably heard SDMHA, Eo17, and Leather and Lace a hundred times before, and really liked The Highwayman, Bella Donna, and ATGF the first time, but I'm sort of undecided about the other four songs. It usually takes me a few good listens before I can appreciate most music. Heck, I had to listen to to Tusk in its entirety eight times before I really "got it". I just hope this album grows on me soon.

Guess its back to Mystery to Me for a little while. Oh, and BD could really use a good remastering job. Didn't this CD come out in 1984? :confused:

Man Kind Of Woman, How Still My Love and Outside the Rain were favorites of mine the instant I heard them.

catinthedark 10-07-2005 11:26 PM

[QUOTE=Phoenix]
Quote:

Originally Posted by catinthedark
And years of Stevie shows have made me sick of Outside the Rain,

Oh! how I whish that I had YOUR problem there! BOO HOO HOO
(somewhere in the world, the smallest violin is playing...) :xoxo:


:o :o Touche.

:laugh: Oh, man, did I deserve that!!

Phoenix 10-07-2005 11:27 PM

[QUOTE=Hawkeye]Man Kind Of Woman


Ahhh yes, Another stevie classic! :laugh: :p

DavidMn 10-07-2005 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker
Check out "Kind of Woman" - if you think about what she's
really saying, it's amazingly well-done. Especially at the
end where she's contrasting how being with the wrong
guy might feel like heaven - but it's not the REAL heaven
("it's to be . . . heaven . . . as CLOSE - - - as it FEELS -
to HEAVEN. I know - I know.....")

"Outside's the Rain" is also a really fun, upbeat song, and was
considered one of her best up to that point. And it's kinda complex,
and has a lot to do with how she was apparently feeling at that time.

By the way Bella Donna has not just a double but a triple meaning -
it's Italian for "Beautiful Woman," but it also is an addictive drug -
and also, it's a deadly poison.
( "Until she herself . . . became the deadliest poison -
as she grew older." )

Kind Of Woman is absolutely my favorite Stevie solo song, period. :)

Phoenix 10-07-2005 11:29 PM

[QUOTE=catinthedark]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix


:o :o Touche.

:laugh: Oh, man, did I deserve that!!

Again, All out of love. I Think that I am finnally getting the hang of being a leggie, That was one of my first sarcastic quipps! :nod:

catinthedark 10-07-2005 11:31 PM

[QUOTE=Phoenix]
Quote:

Originally Posted by catinthedark

Again, All out of love. I Think that I am finnally getting the hang of being a leggie, That was one of my first sarcastic quipps! :nod:


Look at you! Head of the class already! Well done! :xoxo: :laugh:

Nightbird17 10-08-2005 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixxxed
And oh, how I wish I had a new Stevie album to discover...



that would be great....a new album to experience......BD is a terrific one to discover :blob1:

Jyqm 10-08-2005 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GateandGarden
It was first released, in '81, am I right?

Yes, the LP came out in 1981. But I think SortaSavageLike was specifically talking about the CD issue, and the relatively poor sound that goes along with it.

Raeven Skye 10-08-2005 11:40 AM

These days, I could do withough SDMHA (except on special occasions) and Leather and Lace (b/c it gets a lot of airplay here), but I LOVE Outside the Rain, How Still, and all the others. I used to fall asleep listening to this record when it came out, and Highwayman has always been a fav. Maybe you just have to be in the right mood. I think if you're in a "Stand Back" mood, you're not going to like "Bella Donna" at that time.

Ghost_Tracker 10-08-2005 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GateandGarden
It was first released, in '81, am I right?

Anyway, it took me a few listens to get into it. It took me many more listens to Tusk. I can't even count how many. Tusk took a long time to grow on me, but it was worth it.


I recently read an Interview where Stevie talks about how good
she feels Tusk is and how she listened to it with the earphones
with the volume pretty low and she was like "Oh. wwwwwWWWWOOW!"

It's with "Molly" Meldrum in Australia, from 1986:

". . . think that Tusk is one of those records that some day people will sit down and listen to and understand what it really was because I didn't even understand what it was and I think I'm only now, as I listen to it in my own private time, starting to realise that there was a lot more in Tusk that even I didn't see."

It's considered to be "Postmodern," by the way -
I'm not sure why.

SortaSavageLike 10-08-2005 02:20 PM

I've been listening to BD some more today. Okay, I don't know why I didn't mention Kind of Woman earlier, because it is one of my favorites on the album. :thumbsup: But Outside the Rain just isn't rubbing me right for some reason. :confused:

I don't understand the dislike for The Highwayman. I know many get turned off by Don Henley but I can barely hear him on this track. But don't blame me, I liked Beautiful Child! :laugh:

I suppose what I should do is wait for a quiet 45 minutes, huddle up in a dark corner and listen to it straight through with no distractions. This obviously isn't a "distracting noises while you play on the internet" type album.

bikerchic 10-08-2005 04:32 PM

Wow. To be discovering BD for the first time, mind blowing. I'm jealous.

amber 10-08-2005 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikerchic
Wow. To be discovering BD for the first time, mind blowing. I'm jealous.

Wait, were you jealous of me last year when I first got it??? :lol:

bikerchic 10-08-2005 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amber
Wait, were you jealous of me last year when I first got it??? :lol:

Oh ya, I forgot, I'm jealous :nod: It really is good to see all these "youngens" enjoying Ms. Nicks! :wavey:

amber 10-08-2005 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikerchic
Oh ya, I forgot, I'm jealous :nod: It really is good to see all these "youngens" enjoying Ms. Nicks! :wavey:

hehehehe. :xoxo:
actually, I didn't get any of her solo albums till last year. (Except SA and Timespace and Enchanted). It's interesting to come to it at this advanced age. I have a much different perspective, I think. In fact, I didn't even get all the Mac albums until the past couple years. (Ok, mainly Tusk and Mirage). It's pretty neat, actually. And, uh, aren't I only, like, eight years younger than you??? :laugh:

bikerchic 10-08-2005 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by amber
And, uh, aren't I only, like, eight years younger than you??? :laugh:

I checked your profile, 10 years. :laugh:

AliP 10-08-2005 05:19 PM

Outside the Rain is just drab and drab can be when performed live.

Personally, I think the lyrics are pure brilliance and lyrically it is easily one of the top five best songs she has ever written.

xxxmx 10-08-2005 05:58 PM

Bella Donna was one of the cds i purchased the day after christmas in 1993 when i got my first discman, yep i bought it right along with Ace of Base. don't judge. anyways, BD was my mom's favorite album so i already knew it by heart, but somehow listening to it on my headset was just magical. i still love it, though it doesn't get nearly as much play as it used to. it's a mood album for me; rainy days are the best. SDMHA is the only song i skip. i wish i had new albums to savor. the occasional demo that pops up just isn't the same as a whole body of work...

Ghost_Tracker 10-08-2005 09:03 PM

[QUOTE=xxxmx]Bella Donna was one of the cds i purchased the day after christmas in 1993 when i got my first discman, yep i bought it right along with Ace of Base. don't judge. somehow listening to it on my headset was just magical. i still love it, QUOTE]


I'll have to give that a try - never thought of it for some reason!
( I just have an old, cheap cassette, & no earphones w/ the cassette
player. ) Time to run out and buy the cd! :cool:
OH well - I wish I had seen the sign earlier! :rolleyes:

The Tower 10-08-2005 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxmx
...yep i bought it right along with Ace of Base. don't judge. anyways.....

Oh, Mariel.............. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Ace of Base?!?!!?

catinthedark 10-08-2005 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike
I don't understand the dislike for The Highwayman. I know many get turned off by Don Henley but I can barely hear him on this track. But don't blame me, I liked Beautiful Child! :laugh:

Sorry - dense moment happening here. Is there a connection between Beautiful Child and Don Henley?? I love BC - it's in my Top 5 - but I didn't think Henley had anything to do with it? :shrug:

Macfanforever 10-08-2005 10:22 PM

yes I think in 1984 when the cd's were introduced, I love the Belladonna LP and all songs on it too ,Hahaha and most of them sound alittle country influenced too.and I got my LP copy in 1981. CD copy I don't remember at this time.but around in 1986 or 1987 because cd players were so expensive at the time.Technically speaking, Ya I agree on remastering anything right up to 1990, anything before 1990 sounds like crap on cd.because its a copy of the master tape, along with the tape hiss,and other sound problems on it.it's like me now taking my cassette copy of Belladonna which is over 23 years old now, and well worned out too, and running it thru the computer without dolby switch on and without equalization, and burning it to cdr. ya I know, it will sound like sh2t.
So I hope Stevie will remaster her catalog.

xxxmx 10-09-2005 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
Oh, Mariel.............. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Ace of Base?!?!!?

justification:

i was twelve. Voulez Vous Danser was (IS) a great song. it was 1993.

alrighty then... :xoxo:

Ghost_Tracker 10-09-2005 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catinthedark
Sorry - dense moment happening here. Is there a connection between Beautiful Child and Don Henley?? I love BC - it's in my Top 5 - but I didn't think Henley had anything to do with it? :shrug:


There's speculation that it was about - uhmmmm -
an experience the two of them shared.
If you know what I mean, well there ya go -
if you don't - don't ask. Trust me - don't ask.
And please, let's leave it there. It's between them, imo.
Besides I'm sure it's already been discussed, add nausea.

"What dirty tricks the mind can play
In the lonely dead of night
When you bump into the shadow
Of a faded love that wasn’t right

Way down beneath the surface
Far beyond the light of day
So many things lie buried deep
And baby, they should stay that way."


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