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Giuliani Plans Return to Politics

Wednesday, October 05, 2005

WASHINGTON — Rudolph Giuliani (search) plans to return to politics, he said Wednesday, but argued it's too early to say if that will be for the 2008 presidential campaign.

"I think I'll return to politics," Giuliani said during a speech to business leaders.

Dubbed "America's Mayor," after his performance in leading New York City during the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, Giuliani has spent the years since working as a highly-paid corporate executive and public speaker.

The event, hosted by Visa USA, brought together business leaders, anti-fraud experts, and government officials to discuss credit card security — but the first question from audience members concerned his possible return to public office.

Asked if he had any "political visions," Giuliani laughed and rubbed his forehead.

"I have some political visions. I don't know what they are yet, they're a little foggy," he said.

Though he wasn't asked specifically about the next presidential campaign, Giuliani mentioned the 2008 race and said "it's too far away" to make a decision on running.

National polls regularly place Giuliani among the most popular Republican vote-getters, and he is asked about his plans at almost every public appearance. He usually deflects the question by suggesting he would not decide on 2008 until after the 2006 congressional elections.

During a visit to Denmark on Sunday, Giuliani said he would consider the presidential race "next year."

In the 2004 presidential campaign, the former mayor campaigned strenuously for President Bush's re-election.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171338,00.html

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Though he is hated in Manhattan for the Padillo (sp.?) tragedy and the "smeared feces is art" world also do not like him - he would win by a landslide as the D's have nothing to counter him.

Would he be good for America? I would say yes as he is a social liberal in that he lived with a gay couple when he was the Mayor of NYC and, if I am not mistaken, he marched in Gay Pride parades - two things most R's are loathe to do. Moreover, he is a fiscal conservative.

So, I think he would be okay but not great and certainly better than the filth we currently have.

I could live with him as well. Although I dont know what the hell the far right would do, assuming Hilary is the nominee for the Democrats. He might be the only Republican who can beat her, but they'd be in a quandry over his social policies.

He should pick...
 

former Oklahoma Governor Frank Keating (The most popular Governor in Oklahoma history...Hell, Even the Democrats loved him more than their own candidates who were absolutely slaughtered in their losing election bids) as a running mate should he run for the presidency.

Brian "Missy Gail & Rufus Roughcut in 2008" j

Hmmm...interesting. A Republican candidate I don't automatically think should be put to sleep. He isn't horrible. Wasn't there some scandal over his divorce ? Wasn't he cheating before the the marriage broke up ? That cold be a problem. Polititicians can steal billions of dollars and practically commit murder, but God Help Them if they make some sexually related error and have the misfortune of getting caught. Strand, you must know the gossip.

Is he a moderate? can I ask what are his policies?

New York Mayor Files For Divorce

NEW YORK, Dec. 20, 2000
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(AP) New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has filed papers to end his 16-year marriage to television personality Donna Hanover, according to the New York Daily News. In recent months, their marraige deteriorated into unfaithfulness and public feuding, and eventually helped derail Giuliani's U.S. Senate bid.

On Wednesday, the mayor declined to discuss the reported divorce, but did not deny the story.

"I have no comment," he said. "All that, I consider private and I'm not going to discuss it."

Giuliani's attorney, Raoul Felder, also declined comment, as did Hanover attorney Helene Brezinsky. Hanover spokeswoman Joannie Danielides also had no comment.

Divorce proceedings are confidential in New York. In Wednesday's editions, the Daily News reported that the divorce filing is listed as Anonymous vs. Anonymous in the court's database - a method employed by many celebrity couples.

The complaint was filed by Giuliani on Oct. 20, according to the newspaper.

Giuliani, Hanover and their attorneys met in the chambers of Acting State Supreme Court Justice Judith Gische on Monday afternoon, according to the Daily News.

Giuliani, 56, and Hanover, 50, have two children Andrew, 14, and Caroline, 11.

The reported divorce filing is the latest development in a relationship that the couple's confidants have said has been cold for years, but publicly unraveled this year.

In April, Giuliani told the press that 46-year-old divorcee Judith Nathan, whom he had been spotted squiring around town, was "a very good friend." Weeks later, he announced he was seeking a legal separation from Hanover.

Hanover responded by publicly accusing Giuliani of cheating on her with both Nathan and his former spokeswoman Cristyne Lategano-Nicholas.

Giuliani and Lategano-Nicholas have denied an affair.

The messy split, together with Giuliani's diagnosis of prostate cancer, forced the mayor to abandon his plans to run for the Senate. Rep. Rick Lazio received the Republican nomination instead and lost to Hillary Rodham Clinton in November.


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As for Rudy G. - he is FAR from perfect - but he a vast improvement over Kerry or W IMO.

John Kerry's biggest problem was that he could've put more people to sleep than Elevator music. C'MON Democrats, wouldnt you have come up with someone more charasmatic thatn that? That being said, he STill came pretty close to winning.

Say it ain't so. We'll need all the help we can get if he runs. I shudder at the thought.

I knew you'd have something. Good thing he kept his mouth shut about it, and his ex did to a degree. He isn't horrible, I'll give you that. Even with the affairs...he'll probably get away with that if he runs. I think it's a little more acceptable to do that if you are a republican.

Very good point.

It's also easier to get away with marrying your cousin a la Giuliani if you're a Republican. :laugh:

But, of the people who can run, who is better.

I personally like John Edwards and Wesley Clark - but cannot see them beating Rudy G. because outside of a minority in Manhattan, he is well liked by almost all Americans and he could have beaten W had he run in 04. That is a strong base.

Why is he not well like by that small group? Dont mean to sound ignorant, just curious.

I do like Giuliani, he just needs to get on board with most other republicans about abortion...however I think he would make a great leader. :nod:

People mostly do not like him because they feel he sacrificed the homeless in Times Sq. and other places in NYC to get the tourism back up - crime fell drastically (though many argue Rudy G. had nothing to do with that and it just happened sua sponte). He also cut AIDS funding, but it is unclear if that was necessitated by budget contraints as opposed to ill will to the gay communty and Federal Programs allegedly picked up much of that slack - though many went through hell to be sure.

Again, he is no agngel, but there are far worse a la Frist, Lott, Delay, etc.

Who is better? You answered your own question. John Edwards and Wesley Clark. Edwards may run, Clark certainly won't. It really doesn't matter to me who can beat Giuliani because no Democrat that runs against the man is going to beat him; the day he announces his candidacy is the day he might as well start packing for the White House. If that happens, run to your basement and hunker down for daylight.

See my other post. Also, google him and read the yellow press stuff - they are not kind to him and most of it is deserved.

I agree that he is a shoe in.

However, I do not think he will be that bad. What exactly do you think he will do that is so horrible?

On edit - his use of the NYPD was rather firghtening - but will that translate to the Federal level, which has no police dept., per se, with the exception of the Dept. of Justice and when he worked for them as a prosecutor, he record was very good - I mean he prosecuted Marc Rich :shrug:

I dont recall...
 

Governor Keating being a hardline Conserva-tard, I remember him being a very well respected moderate leader.

But Bush mustnt like good ol' Frank much, Everyone was sure Frank would have been the perfect choice for Shruby-nutts A.G. cabinet position, but the Bush Doctrine, (I meant Adminstration) had something against ol' Frank and chose otherwise.

Brian "What do you call an Oklahoman Democrat? A Republican" j.

I will do that, thank you. I'm a little tired so I'm sorry I missesd that other one. :sorry:

Its cool - they were cgoing rather fast :laugh:

He also turned a blind eye to corruption in the NYPD and his Broken Windows policy was despicable. Not to mention his adventures with the Brooklyn Museum.

You know I'm getting old now, I'll be 35 next year..... :eek: My one gay friend said to me the other day that I'm now a T.I T, Troll In Training. I cant remember when I've laughed so hard!!!! :lol:

oops - I edited as you posted.

As for the Brooklyn Museam - I have to say that with starving children in the US, inadequate health care, etc. - it seems to me that the govt. ought not to fund that - but then again, I think the govt. ought not fund most art when we cannot or will not feed out poor - but that is a whole other debate :laugh:

Anyway - this is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

Opposition to Brooklyn Museum art exhibit

In 1999 Giuliani threatened to cut off city funding for the Brooklyn Museum, shut it down and replace its current board with one of his own choosing if the museum did not remove a number of works in an exhibit entitled “Sensation: Young British Artists from the Saatchi Collection.” One work in particular, The Holy Virgin Mary by Turner Prize winning Catholic artist Chris Ofili, was targeted as being offensive to some in the Christian community in New York. This painting depicted a black Mary composed with collaged cut-outs of female genitalia from pornography magazines around her. Like many others by this artist, the montage also made use of elephant dung.[1] Ofili, while refusing to defend his work, commented that "The people who are attacking this painting are attacking their own interpretation, not mine," and that "This is all about control"[2].

In its defense, the museum filed a lawsuit, charging Giuliani with violating the First Amendment right to freedom of speech. This action by the mayor was condemned by groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union, objecting to the mayor's interference with the first amendment rights of the museum and censorship. Religious groups such as the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights supported the mayor's actions [3] [4]

At that time, it was widely expected that Giuliani and Hillary Clinton would compete for the open seat in the Senate in 2000. She said the mayor's action was the "wrong response," and added "I share the feeling that I know many New Yorkers have that there are parts of this exhibition that would be deeply offensive. I would not go see the exhibition[5]."

The museum's suit was successful, the mayor was ordered to resume funding and the judge declared that There is no federal constitutional issue more grave than the effort by government officials to censor works of expression and to threaten the vitality of a major cultural institution as punishment for failing to abide by governmental demands for orthodoxy[6].

Too many things to list, dear. He's a ****ing fascist.

Well, he is better than anything the R's can offer - which is my point and he will win, which is our point.

No, he's not. I'll take the Snowester before him any day. :woohoo:

Too bad she'd never run.

Which makes me quake in my loafers.

i couldn't wait to move to nyc for like, three reasons:

1) it was not pittsburgh, pennsylvania

2) the red sox play in nyc (if only occasionally and vs. that team)

3) i could vote against giuliani



so i did, gleefully. i wish middle america would wake up and smell the resentment. he didn't save the city and he didn't save the world.

and just because he wouldn't be voted off the island first (delay, frist) doesn't mean anyone wants him on it.

I think you know I meant and R who stood a chance of winning and therefore will run :laugh: - which will be Jeb, Lott, Romney, McCain (who is a good guy IMO) , and possibly Frist and DeLay, assuming they get out of their current legal troubles.

I just do not think he will be that bad. I mean look at his record as a prosecutor, which pretty stellar and just :shrug:

As for the NYPD stuff, I am unsure the drastic change in the crime rate could have taken place any other way, which is saddening - though not all of his actions were bad..

BTW - here is a pretty good article/commentary on the Broken Windows policy if anyone wants to read it http://www.umsl.edu/~nestor/Broken%20Windows.htm

No, but I dont think he'el have the Mob connections like Kennedy did, what with his zeal for prosecuting them back in the day.... :nod:

This must be a figure of speech. You don't own a pair of loafers.

You don't.
You don't.
You don't.

Say it isn't so.

:laugh:

Too bad I didn't live there long enough to vote against his sorry ass. It would have been a humbling experience. I'll never forget when he said that streets are not meant for civilized people to sleep on, bedrooms are. Un****ingbelievable and oh so rich.

He used to open Town Hall meetings by doing impressions of Corleone. :rolleyes:

I, respectfully, disagree and submit most of America, somewhat foolishlyu IMO, considers him a hero and that will never change because he tried to boycott vulvas comprising a picture of the Holy Mother, he used identification of smaller crimes to catch the same people commiting larger or repeat crimes, and he put 5,000 more cops on the streets of NYC. I know his tactics are questionable, but the vast majority of people see those as good things.

I would prefer McCain, but I doubt he will run. The R establishment doesn't appreciate him. He is too straight of a shooter and too authentic a human being to get much much support from the insiders. When it comes down to it, he is more of an old school republican...i.e. not owned by religious extremists and corporations.

No, I don't.

I should have said Birkenstocks. :p

A shade better, but just a shade.

Are you a lesbian ?

I thought you HATED Birkenstocks - disn't we used to give Deanna shiitte about her's :laugh:

No way, really?

A lipstick lesbian, babe.