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Phoenix 09-13-2005 12:55 AM

Stevie "Forgets" Frozen love lyrics.
 
Ok, Well I don't DARE post this on the lindsy board, but as many people DID point out, During lindsys soundstage, stevie WAS on her "best behavior" How she kept the focus compleetly all about lindsy, wich was very appropriate, don't get me wrong, but I don't buy for a second that SHE doesn't remember the rest of frozen love, I think that she was honestly trying to start him off , but he just didn't remember, so she covered, buy saying the same thing. What does every body think ? Discuss~ :) :shrug:

gldstwmn 09-13-2005 12:57 AM

Well, I was standing about six feet from them and the distinct impression I got was that he was up for it and she was not.

ontheEdgeof17 09-13-2005 12:59 AM

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Well, I was standing about six feet from them and the distinct impression I got was that he was up for it and she was not.


Heaven forbid she'd go off the cuff and sing something that hasn't been rehearsed over and over.

EnchantedSLN 09-13-2005 01:02 AM

I think she just really didn't remember, OR didn't want to do it on the fly like that... she is nervous enough about adding new songs to a setlist when she can rehearse them at her leisure, let alone on the spot in front of an audience for a televised taping.

gldstwmn 09-13-2005 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Heaven forbid she'd go off the cuff and sing something that hasn't been rehearsed over and over.

Yup. :nod: Plus Stevie was very careful to make sure it was Lindsey's night. To be there that evening was something else. I was totally blown away by his performance. From what I'm hearing, the PBS show doesn't do that evening justice. It's too bad.

gldstwmn 09-13-2005 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN
I think she just really didn't remember, OR didn't want to do it on the fly like that...

She remembered. :nod: There was no way she was doing that vocal impromptu. I can't say that I blame her, especially with that long note she holds in the last verse when she sings "It may be ha ah arrrrrd to keep up with you."

Phoenix 09-13-2005 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
She remembered. :nod: There was no way she was doing that vocal impromptu. I can't say that I blame her, especially with that long note she holds in the last verse when she sings "It may be ha ah arrrrrd to keep up with you."


So, just to clarify, she remembered, but was not up for doing it, and he was up for doing it, but just didnt remember! :laugh: :laugh: How VERY stevie and lindsy of them, Yin and Yang till the end! :lol:

paperflowers 09-13-2005 01:27 AM

Ill bet Stevie knows the words but like it has been said she dared not sing it on the fly...not her style.
I heard that she kinda whispered them as a warm up to the boston doc. Anyone hear this?

EnchantedSLN 09-13-2005 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
She remembered. :nod:

You think so? She hasn't done it live since the white album tour, and even then it was an anomaly. She wouldn't have an excuse to know it well enough to perform it on the spot, and I doubt she listens to her own music nearly as often as we do (I wonder if she has a burned copy of BN laying around anyway. Maybe she's only got it on vinyl, so there's even less of a chance she'd actually play it very often :lol: ) Sometimes it surprises me how fuzzy Stevie is on the details of her own career... she often flubs the years of her tours and album releases, but then she doesn't study and obsess over that stuff like we do.

The idea that she would have deliberately stopped so as to not take the focus off of Lindsey doesn't really make sense to me... Stevie shines on that song, but if anything he shines far more. She may have written it, but I think Lindsey owns that song. He sings most of the melody and plays that killer guitar. Stevie essentially just sings backup on it, except for the one verse.

I think it's possible she really doesn't remember. Long nets of white, etc ;). But, I agree... it's more likely that she just didn't want to do it spontaneously.

trackaghost 09-13-2005 04:25 AM

Is Lindsy even a real name?

ThePenguin 09-13-2005 07:25 AM

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Is Lindsy even a real name?


Anything is a real name these days. :rolleyes:

-Lis

danax6 09-13-2005 07:40 AM

Now, mind you, I've never before heard a live performance of Frozen Love (would love to though!), but it sounded to me she had the wrong melody going on. And she wasn't even singing the part she sings on the album. Was that something that they did live, like that? Or is another clue that Stevie had no clue what the heck she was doing? :laugh:

strandinthewind 09-13-2005 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Yup. :nod: Plus Stevie was very careful to make sure it was Lindsey's night. To be there that evening was something else. I was totally blown away by his performance. From what I'm hearing, the PBS show doesn't do that evening justice. It's too bad.


He was great that night.

I think La Nicks knows all the verses of FL, esp. since people were shouting them out loud :laugh: I think if he had wanted to play it, she would have though. I think they were kidding around with each other and obviously LB liked it or he would have axed it from the final copy.

strandinthewind 09-13-2005 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by danax6
Now, mind you, I've never before heard a live performance of Frozen Love (would love to though!), but it sounded to me she had the wrong melody going on. And she wasn't even singing the part she sings on the album. Was that something that they did live, like that? Or is another clue that Stevie had no clue what the heck she was doing? :laugh:

There is a live version from Fritz floating around. Also, she sang the right thing and in what sounded like the original key or close to it :eek:

chiliD 09-13-2005 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost
Is Lindsy even a real name?


I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat...an "e"

danax6 09-13-2005 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
There is a live version from Fritz floating around. Also, she sang the right thing and in what sounded like the original key or close to it :eek:

Cool, I have to find me that live version then. If that's the case, I do think she remembered the rest quite well, but she just didn't want to go on. :p

Alison 09-13-2005 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat...an "e"

ChiliD, You just crack me up. Thanks for the great chuckle this morning. :o :o

gldstwmn 09-13-2005 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN
You think so? She hasn't done it live since the white album tour, and even then it was an anomaly. She wouldn't have an excuse to know it well enough to perform it on the spot, and I doubt she listens to her own music nearly as often as we do (I wonder if she has a burned copy of BN laying around anyway. Maybe she's only got it on vinyl, so there's even less of a chance she'd actually play it very often :lol: ) Sometimes it surprises me how fuzzy Stevie is on the details of her own career... she often flubs the years of her tours and album releases, but then she doesn't study and obsess over that stuff like we do.

The idea that she would have deliberately stopped so as to not take the focus off of Lindsey doesn't really make sense to me... Stevie shines on that song, but if anything he shines far more. She may have written it, but I think Lindsey owns that song. He sings most of the melody and plays that killer guitar. Stevie essentially just sings backup on it, except for the one verse.

I think it's possible she really doesn't remember. Long nets of white, etc ;). But, I agree... it's more likely that she just didn't want to do it spontaneously.

The guitar part at the end is a personal fave of mine. It also reminds me just a bit of The Chain ( a glimpse of things to come).
Just the way she said it, her body language, etc. told me that Ms. Nicks was telling one of her little fibs.

gldstwmn 09-13-2005 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost
Is Lindsy even a real name?

I guess it could be.

ontheEdgeof17 09-13-2005 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Just the way she said it, her body language, etc. told me that Ms. Nicks was telling one of her little fibs.


She sings it at home, alone...at her piano....just like all of her other songs.

David 09-13-2005 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
There is a live version from Fritz floating around.

I don't think it's Fritz, strand. I think it's Fleetwood Mac in 1975 (the two live recordings going around).

As far as doing this majorly orchestrated song off the cuff right there in front of a camera . . . come on! No way. Stevie doesn't remember words, Lindsey doesn't remember guitar arrangements, & the rest of the band probably doesn't even know the chord progression.

I think it was just a fun little moment, spurred by a card-carrying member of the RIAA with a belligerent streak.

I mean, these two sat there with Mark & Brian at the KLOS studios not very long ago, & Mark & Brian asked them to play stuff, & these two just sat there, unable to think of anything to play & sing together except for the stuff they had been doing on tour all year: Big Love & Never Going Back Again.

In one sense, I was just flabbergasted: these two had been singing & playing together professionally for about thirty years at that point, & couldn't perform anything simply & off the cuff?!

In another, I wasn't surprised at all. Buckingham & Nicks -- "we'll play for you IF it's a song we're doing on tour this year anyway."

Sheryl Crow & others (Michael Stipe, etc.) used to say, when hanging out with Lindsey, how he could just play anything, & I always used to wonder just how they'd know, since I couldn't imagine Mr. Anal actually just jamming with other people in the room.

They (Stevie & Lindsey) are just both really bizarre people: she's been playing the piano for thirty or forty years, & plays at exactly the same level today as she did thirty years ago (which is probably a medical phenomenon), & he's been playing guitar for about fifty years, & can't think of anything to play during a casual interview at a radio station. Extremely bizarre. . . .

gldstwmn 09-13-2005 11:29 AM

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As far as doing this majorly orchestrated song off the cuff right there in front of a camera . . . come on! No way. Stevie doesn't remember words, Lindsey doesn't remember guitar arrangements, & the rest of the band probably doesn't even know the chord progression.

Case in point: Don't Let Me Down Again from the Madison show May 2004. And they'd rehearsed that.

chiliD 09-13-2005 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by David
Mr. Anal

:lol:


In the Casa De Chili household, he's known as "Mr. Whiney". :laugh:

gldstwmn 09-13-2005 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by David
I don't think it's Fritz, strand. I think it's Fleetwood Mac in 1975 (the two live recordings going around).

As far as doing this majorly orchestrated song off the cuff right there in front of a camera . . . come on! No way. Stevie doesn't remember words, Lindsey doesn't remember guitar arrangements, & the rest of the band probably doesn't even know the chord progression.

I think it was just a fun little moment, spurred by a card-carrying member of the RIAA with a belligerent streak.

I mean, these two sat there with Mark & Brian at the KLOS studios not very long ago, & Mark & Brian asked them to play stuff, & these two just sat there, unable to think of anything to play & sing together except for the stuff they had been doing on tour all year: Big Love & Never Going Back Again.

In one sense, I was just flabbergasted: these two had been singing & playing together professionally for about thirty years at that point, & couldn't perform anything simply & off the cuff?!

In another, I wasn't surprised at all. Buckingham & Nicks -- "we'll play for you IF it's a song we're doing on tour this year anyway."

Sheryl Crow & others (Michael Stipe, etc.) used to say, when hanging out with Lindsey, how he could just play anything, & I always used to wonder just how they'd know, since I couldn't imagine Mr. Anal actually just jamming with other people in the room.

They (Stevie & Lindsey) are just both really bizarre people: she's been playing the piano for thirty or forty years, & plays at exactly the same level today as she did thirty years ago (which is probably a medical phenomenon), & he's been playing guitar for about fifty years, & can't think of anything to play during a casual interview at a radio station. Extremely bizarre. . . .

The long term effects of smoking too much good weed? :laugh:

mikeschmike 09-13-2005 11:39 AM

It reminds me of the Sara snippet from Storytellers. I listen to that, and I'm just like "What the hell are you playing, crazy woman?" You'd think she'd know the notes/lyrics.

sodascouts 09-13-2005 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Well, I was standing about six feet from them and the distinct impression I got was that he was up for it and she was not.

He may have been up for it vocally, but there was no way he was going to be able to play that song on his guitar. He's said before it's a "Weird tuning" and that's why they dropped it. You'll notice he kind of touches his guitar as if he's trying to figure out how to accompany her but not quite sure. He might have figured something out but it would have been difficult, a strum he can only hope is on key.

The lines she sung were not the melody of the song. That was Lindsey's verse so I'm not surprised she remembers a harmony-line type. But considering Stevie sometimes gets confused on what verses to sing on regulars like Stand Back and Rhiannon, I Wouldn't be surprised if she got paranoid about doing the whole thing. Remember the fiasco where she tried to do It's Only Love with Sheryl impromptu, and that was something she had just recorded!

That said, I do think that even if she had been confident about the lyrics, she might not have been confident about pulling off the vocal. Understandable, considering her reduced range. As much as we would have loved her to do it, I can't condemn her for choosing not to.

skcin 09-13-2005 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by David
...she's been playing the piano for thirty or forty years, & plays at exactly the same level today as she did thirty years ago (which is probably a medical phenomenon). . . .


That? Is the funniest thing I've read in a long while. :nod:

strandinthewind 09-13-2005 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts
. . . The lines she sung were not the melody of the song. That was Lindsey's verse so I'm not surprised she remembers a harmony-line type . . . .

It sounded like the melody to me? In that part of the song, there is no harmony - just LB? LA Nicks joins in with "go forward" :shrug:

sodascouts 09-13-2005 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
It sounded like the melody to me? In that part of the song, there is no harmony - just LB? LA Nicks joins in with "go forward" :shrug:

As a BuckinghamNicks-ologist, I can assure you it is not the melody. ;) It's weird, because in the audience I thought it was. Then, listening to it on the tape, I realize it's not. Funny how the mind plays tricks!

strandinthewind 09-13-2005 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts
As a BuckinghamNicks-ologist, I can assure you it is not the melody. ;) It's weird, because in the audience I thought it was. Then, listening to it on the tape, I realize it's not. Funny how the mind plays tricks!

I played it on my piano :shrug: She is not belting it like LB did and the timing is not the same as the original. But, she is singing the melody. But, to each their own.

JazmenFlowers 09-13-2005 12:56 PM

whatever the final say is...I still think it was cool that she did that

amber 09-13-2005 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by David
I mean, these two sat there with Mark & Brian at the KLOS studios not very long ago, & Mark & Brian asked them to play stuff, & these two just sat there, unable to think of anything to play & sing together except for the stuff they had been doing on tour all year: Big Love & Never Going Back Again.

In one sense, I was just flabbergasted: these two had been singing & playing together professionally for about thirty years at that point, & couldn't perform anything simply & off the cuff?!

In another, I wasn't surprised at all. Buckingham & Nicks -- "we'll play for you IF it's a song we're doing on tour this year anyway."

Sheryl Crow & others (Michael Stipe, etc.) used to say, when hanging out with Lindsey, how he could just play anything, & I always used to wonder just how they'd know, since I couldn't imagine Mr. Anal actually just jamming with other people in the room.

They (Stevie & Lindsey) are just both really bizarre people: she's been playing the piano for thirty or forty years, & plays at exactly the same level today as she did thirty years ago (which is probably a medical phenomenon), & he's been playing guitar for about fifty years, & can't think of anything to play during a casual interview at a radio station. Extremely bizarre. . . .

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Priceless.

strandinthewind 09-13-2005 12:59 PM

David

Didn't La Nicks have to coax LB into playing in that interview. I always though that was a proceless moment. She was like "Come on play it" or something like that.

Also, you may be right about FL being FM - but I always thought it was not because I cannot hear CM in it. But, it is a very bad recording.

David 09-13-2005 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
David

Didn't La Nicks have to coax LB into playing in that interview. I always though that was a proceless moment. She was like "Come on play it" or something like that.

Yep! And it was -- Never Going Back Again!! which he had been playing a lot at that time (the Cradle tour, all the Cradle press). Boy, he really goes out on a limb!
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Also, you may be right about FL being FM - but I always thought it was not because I cannot hear CM in it. But, it is a very bad recording.
It's a pretty rotten recording, but you can hear Chris play the Hammond B3 in it -- nobody else plays the Hammond quite so . . . plainly.

chris was sort of trying to "paraphrase" (tm. Lindsey) the string arrangement on the studio track, or actually not even paraphrase it -- she was just holding down chords.

Still, it worked. It sounded pretty. Stevie sang both verses I have a hunch because it's a little technically heavy to be the only guitarist & have to play "Frozen Love" & to sing a verse on top of that is pretty gutbusting: it's like patting your head, rubbing your tummy, stomping your foot & whistling "Dixie" at the same time.

strandinthewind 09-13-2005 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by David
. . . it's like patting your head, rubbing your tummy, stomping your foot & whistling "Dixie" at the same time.


LOL - I can do that and not spill my cocktail :eek:

Thanks for the info :wavey:

EnchantedSLN 09-13-2005 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
It sounded like the melody to me? In that part of the song, there is no harmony - just LB? LA Nicks joins in with "go forward" :shrug:

Lyrically she's singing the melody, but not musically.

strandinthewind 09-13-2005 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN
Lyrically she's singing the melody, but not musically.

No, she is singing it musically as well. She changes it a little, but it would still be considered the melody. In the end, I no longer care :laugh:

sodascouts 09-13-2005 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Also, you may be right about FL being FM - but I always thought it was not because I cannot hear CM in it. But, it is a very bad recording.

I believe one of the versions (I only know of two) is dated San Diego 1975. On one you can also hear John introduce it - or at least someone with a British accent. Regardless Fritz never played it because it wasn't written yet - but you probably meant BN. They did play it but sadly no version they did is in circulation. You know what? I might try to post those this week and we can do some analyzing. It'll be fun!

strandinthewind 09-13-2005 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts
I believe one of the versions (I only know of two) is dated San Diego 1975. On one you can also hear John introduce it - or at least someone with a British accent. Regardless Fritz never played it because it wasn't written yet - but you probably meant BN. They did play it but sadly no version they did is in circulation. You know what? I might try to post those this week and we can do some analyzing. It'll be fun!

Cool - because my copy is pretty bad.

Also, yes I meant BN :cool:

sodascouts 09-13-2005 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Cool - because my copy is pretty bad.

Sadly, mine is too. :(

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Also, yes I meant BN :cool:
That's what I figured. :)


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