California Earthquake Could Be the Next Katrina
 

Well, this is disturbing and wierd.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20...thenextkatrina

California Earthquake Could Be the Next Katrina

By Jia-Rui Chong and Hector Becerra Times Staff Writers
Thu Sep 8, 7:55 AM ET

U.S. Geological Survey seismologist Lucy Jones remembers attending an emergency training session in August 2001 with the Federal Emergency Management Agency that discussed the three most likely catastrophes to strike the United States.

First on the list was a terrorist attack in New York. Second was a super-strength hurricane hitting New Orleans. Third was a major earthquake on the San Andreas fault.

Now that the first two have come to pass, she and other earthquake experts are using the devastating aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as an opportunity to reassess how California would handle a major temblor.

Jones, scientist-in-charge for the geological survey's Southern California Earthquake Hazards Team, and other experts generally agree that California has come a long way in the last two decades in seismic safety.

In Los Angeles, all but one of 8,700 unreinforced masonry buildings — considered the most likely to collapse in a major quake — have been retrofitted or demolished. The state spent billions after the 1994 Northridge quake to retrofit more than 2,100 freeway overpasses, reporting this week that only a handful remain unreinforced.

Despite these improvements, however, officials believe that a major temblor could cause the level of destruction and disruption seen over the last week on the Gulf Coast.

More than 900 hospital buildings that state officials have identified as needing either retrofitting or total replacement have yet to receive them, and the state recently agreed to five-year extensions to hospitals that can't meet the 2008 deadline to make the fixes. More than 7,000 school buildings across the state would also be vulnerable during a huge temblor, a state study found, though there is no firm timetable for upgrading the structures.

And four Los Angeles Police Department facilities — including the Parker Center headquarters in downtown — worry officials, because they were built to primitive earthquake standards and might not survive a major temblor. Only two of the LAPD's 19 stations meet the most rigorous quake-safe rules.

"We could be dealing with infrastructure issues a lot like New Orleans," Jones said. "Our natural gas passes through the Cajon Pass…. Water — three pipelines — cross the San Andreas fault in an area that is expected to go in an earthquake." Railway lines are also vulnerable, she said.

A catastrophic temblor at the right spot along the San Andreas could significantly reduce energy and water supplies — at least temporarily, she and others said. Researchers at the Southern California Earthquake Center said there is an 80% to 90% chance that a temblor of 7.0 or greater magnitude will strike Southern California before 2024.

"We aren't anywhere close to where I wish we were" in terms of seismic safety, Jones said.

Seismologists are particularly concerned about a type of vulnerable building that has received far less attention than unreinforced masonry.

There are about 40,000 structures in California made from "non-ductile reinforced concrete," a rigid substance susceptible to cracking. This was a common construction ingredient for office buildings in the 1950s and '60s, before the state instituted stricter standards. Few such structures have been seismically retrofitted, officials said.

Seismic safety advocates have also recently lost some major battles in Sacramento. The state rejected a proposal from the Seismic Safety Commission in the wake of the 2003 San Simeon earthquake to force owners of unreinforced masonry buildings to post warning signs. In that quake, two women died when the roof slid off of a two-story Paso Robles brick building where they worked.

Last week, the Legislature sent to the governor's desk a bill that encourages local governments to develop retrofitting programs for "soft story" wood-frame apartment buildings.

There are an estimated 70,000 such structures in the state, and experts worry that they could sustain major quake damage, because they often have tuck-under parking and lack solid walls at their bases.

The danger of this kind of construction was illustrated in the 1994 collapse of the Northridge Meadows apartment complex, in which 16 residents were killed.

There are other potential safety gaps as well.

Although Los Angeles, Long Beach, Pasadena and several other cities have reinforced almost all their masonry buildings, about a third of such structures across the state remain unprotected, said Frank Turner, an engineer with the Seismic Safety Commission.

A state study published last year on hazard reduction paints a sobering picture of California's earthquake danger. About 62% of the population lives in a zone of high earthquake danger, including 100% of the population of Ventura County, 99% of Los Angeles County and 92% of Riverside County.

Since 1971, there have been at least 13 earthquakes of magnitude 6.0 or greater in the state, and research conducted after the 1989 Loma Prieta quake in the Bay Area found a 62% probability that at least one earthquake of magnitude 6.7 or more would strike the Bay Area before 2032.

"We're pretty confident we have some of the best buildings in the world here, but … there are always going to be losses, because these are extraordinary events," Turner said.

Still, Southern California's geography could help prevent a catastrophe on the scale of that in New Orleans.

Because the Los Angeles region is so much larger than the Louisiana city, it is difficult to conceive of a disaster — "short of an A-bomb" — that would blanket the whole city, let alone the whole county, in ruin, said Lee Sapaden, a spokesman for Los Angeles County's Office of Emergency Management.

Earthquakes tend to do the most damage closest to the epicenters. The 1994 Northridge quake, for example, damaged a large swath of the San Fernando Valley as well as parts of Hollywood and the Westside. But areas farther to the east and south, such as Long Beach and Orange County, saw little damage.

A large quake in the Valley would probably still allow emergency supplies and rescuers to reach the area from other locations such as the San Gabriel Valley and South Bay, Sapaden said.

Emergency crews would have better mobility than those in New Orleans, he added, because even if freeways were wrecked, aid would probably be able to get through the vast majority of areas on surface streets. "Here in Southern California, Riverside, San Bernardino, Orange and Santa Barbara counties would help us out, just like we would help them," he said.

One of the biggest concerns of seismic safety officials is the fate of hospitals.

The 1971 Sylmar earthquake pushed Olive View Medical Center a foot off its foundation, causing the first floor to collapse, killing three patients and a hospital worker. The 1994 Northridge quake knocked 23 hospitals temporarily out of service.

After that quake, the Legislature passed a law requiring that hospitals retrofit buildings to withstand a major temblor or replace them with new ones. About 78% of hospitals have at least one building deemed at risk, said Jan Emerson, spokeswoman for the California Hospital Assn.

But hospitals, many of which are fighting budget problems, have balked at the price tag — estimated at $24 billion for 2002-2030 — and in many cases have successfully pushed Sacramento to delay the retrofitting deadline. The state has already granted about 200 requests for extensions to make the necessary repairs by 2013, according to a state document.

Safety officials said more work is also needed at schools.

A 2002 state study found that more than 7,500 school buildings across California are expected to "perform poorly" in a major temblor.

The Los Angeles Unified School District has completed seismic upgrades to nearly 2,000 buildings, spending $222 million on the effort, according to Richard Luke, director of design for the district.

But the district has not finished upgrades on 600 portable buildings and will look at an additional 239 buildings identified by the Division of State Architect as possibly performing poorly during a major quake.

Jones of the geological survey and Turner of the Seismic Safety Commission believe that one worst-case scenario would involve a massive temblor on the San Andreas fault around where major utility lines run, possibly compromising water and power supplies.

"We should not be at all surprised if something similar to Hurricane Katrina mirrors itself in California," Turner said. "There have been lots of articles written about the failure of levees in the [Sacramento-San Joaquin] Delta, the loss of drinking water in California. This is just the tip of the iceberg."

About 60% of Southern California's water is imported from outside the region in three major aqueducts that cross the San Andreas fault, making them particularly vulnerable to major earthquake damage.

One branch of the 444-mile California Aqueduct, which carries water from the delta, virtually sits on top of the fault for a few miles near Palmdale. A second aqueduct from the Colorado River crosses the fault near Beaumont. And the Los Angeles Aqueduct, which transports snowmelt from the eastern Sierra, runs across the San Andreas in a mountain tunnel between Lancaster and Santa Clarita.

Southern California water managers say they've made progress in recent years building local reserves they could turn to if they lost water from one or more of the transport systems.

With such efforts, "we feel even more confident we are able to provide sufficient water to sustain us during an earthquake," said Debra Man, chief operating officer of the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, the region's main water wholesaler.

Jim McDaniels, chief operating officer for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power's water system, said that if disaster struck, the DWP could double its groundwater pumping within the basin and draw from its four big local reservoirs.

Major gas lines also come into Southern California over the San Andreas at several points, including at Indio, Palmdale, the Cajon Pass and the Tejon Ranch. Still, officials at the Southern California Gas Co. expressed confidence that the system could withstand a strong earthquake, noting they have been upgrading the pipeline for years.

Another open question is whether the major quake would cause damage to fire stations, police headquarters and facilities of other emergency agencies, possibly slowing their response. A state study found that many of the 1,300 emergency operations buildings were constructed before strict quake building standards were enacted in 1986, and that only a portion of those had been retrofitted.

At the LAPD, the only four facilities to meet the most recent and rigorous "essential building" standards are the department's newest: the West Valley and Mission police stations and two 911 dispatch centers.

Yvette Sanchez-Owens, head of the department's facilities management office, said she is most concerned about three stations built in the 1960s: Rampart, Hollenbeck and Harbor. Police officers at the Harbor station in San Pedro have been relocated to trailers while a new station is built; officers could be moved out of the Hollenbeck station in Boyle Heights sometime this fall as preparation for construction of a new station begins.

As for Parker Center, it already sustained significant damage during the Northridge earthquake. It is also scheduled to be replaced, but not for several years.

"It could be in real trouble," Sanchez-Owens said. "It's definitely not built up to standard."

My sister & myself...
 

discussed this recently, About how an earthquake could be catastrophic to those in CA.

I dont know...I feel there will be a large scale terror attack on the West Coast before the next big one (ie the 1989 Bay earthquake) hits.

well, we're USED to being ignored by Bush and Co., so basically we're going to have to deal on our own like we always have.

on another note: Oregon has a 100 acre bulge growing, its thought to either be another in a series of cinder cones or maybe molten rock moving but that is pretty stony, and then Mt St. Helens in Washington is busy re-creating ITS cone and then there is the bulge in Wyoming area (the huge caldera underneath Yellowstone) that is growing....stuff is happening under the surface out west folks....pretty scary stuff if you ask me :shocked:

Now that will help me sleep better tonight :eek:

Terry

its cuz people in Cali are so far removed from the rest of the US...it's like a foreign country over there. =P

That article seems kind of El Lay centric .From all that I have heard and read the Big One could do more damage up here than down there.San Francisco is closer to the fault .

Meh.

I've been through all the recent SoCal "big ones" in the last 35 years.

Sylmar
Whittier Narrows
Northridge

They were bad, but nothing like I can imagine the flooding in New Orleans. I don't even think they are comparable. And look at the Mississippi gulf coast? ALL of those structures were wiped clean with nothing left. At least in an earthquake, one can recover some personal possessions. The people in NOLA and the gulf coast are starting over with nothing.

To be honest, the effects of the Rodney King riots were worse than any of the earthquakes I've listed. More damage, more chaos, more mayhem, more time sequestered during the pseudo martial law.

It depends on what you mean by "big one." The San Andreas is capable of producing quakes much bigger than Sylmar, Whittier, Northridge or Loma Prieta. It's capable of producing quakes like the Fort Tejon quake in 1857 or the San Francisco quake of 1906, both of which were between M7.8 & M8.0.

California hasn't had an M7.8+ since 1906. Quakes that size are rare but inevitable. It's hard to say how the population & the infrastructure would fare in such a quake.

The biggest San Andreas quake in the historical record -- the Ft. Tejon quake of 1857 (M7.9) -- occurred along a 220-mile stretch of the fault from the Cajon Pass to Parkfield. That was the southern segment.

The second biggest San Andreas quake in history was the 1906 (M7.8) quake. That was the northern segment. A third segment, the far southern segment, is also capable of large (M7.5+) quakes.

Luckily for California, one section of the fault known as the creeping section, just north of the southern segment, appears not to lock or build stress. That means that the entire San Andreas is very unlikely to rupture from end to end, which is good because if it did, it would truly devastate California. A rupture that starts on one side of the creeping section is unlikely to be able to blast through a region where stress doesn't accumulate. (It's like trying to crisply tear a creased newspaper & suddenly encountering a wet, soggy patch: the energy of your tear would dissipate & its forward progress would stop.)

But the L.A. basin is also home to a complex series of thrust faults that are separate from the San Andreas, & many of these faults are capable of doing a lot of damage: the Santa Monica Fault, the Long Beach Fault, the Yorba Linda Fault, etc. The San Andreas may be the biggest game in town, but it isn't the only game in town.

Ha, that's exactly what I was thinking, LA centric. But, unregardless...

Hey, David, thanks for the info, I didn't know about that "creeping section" thing.
So, David, I wasn't here for Loma Prieta - I know the bridge collapsed - do you know what happened to BART? I didn't hear any horrific stories, but as of now, my biggest fear is that the quake will strike while I am under the water on BART. :shocked:
Also, if hospitals are balking at the cost of retrofitting now, they're gonna be crying trying to rebuild after a quake. It's just common sense. Also, it's a crime all the schools aren't earthquake ready, IMO.
Also, I'm watching Globetrekker, Costa Rica and Nicaragua, and did you know the crocs down there are already endangered because of global warming? The females are producing less female babies because of the increased temperature. Okay, I know that has nothing to do with earthquakes, but I'm just saying... :shocked:

I don't know what happened to BART. I don't think there was any damage to the system. I don't recall hearing anything in the news about damage to it.

One small portion of the Nimitz Freeway collapsed -- top level onto bottom level -- owing to a phenomenon called site response. It's a term used to describe the effect shallow layers of soft sediment have on seismic waves. Ground motion is a lot more violent in soft, uncompacted sediments because seismic wave amplitudes actually increase when they reach those points, & they become trapped in the "wiggle." Think of groundfill soil that liquifies during a quake, which is especially dangerous.

Seismologists actually use a great example: imagine you have a pan of Jell-O, another pan of brownie batter & yet another pan of overcooked brownies. If you bang the side of each dish, which substance is going to shake more? The Jell-O first, by far, & then the brownie batter & finally the hard-as-rock brownies.

The small section of the Nimitz that collapsed is sitting on top of estuarine mud, while the freeway sections to the north & to the south of that are built on denser, harder alluvium. The places in Oakland with the least damage were generally built atop harder rock: sandstone, shale, limestone, etc.

Most of the Marina District on the Peninsula is also on mud, which is why it liquifies in earthquakes. It's bad news.

Hmmm..."far removed"? We're bordered by three states...let's see...Florida...only shares a border with TWO states; and, at only one end of the state...and has water on TWO sides of it...now tell ME who's "removed"! :laugh:


It's called "Liquifaction". ;)

What flavor of Jell-O? (HEY! It DOES make a difference...red wiggles more than yellow & green...and blue? That's just wrong.)

What brand of brownies? Duncan Heinz is good, Pillsbury sucks. So, since they're overcooked, they're probably Pillsbury or Betty Crocker.

I don't think "far removed" is a bad thing, given our current state of affairs.



I always enjoy David's apocalyptic posts, but that one made me hungry! :lol:

It's not MY fault. :eek:


Those little cat things in your avatar are creepy. :shocked:

There was a 6.0 earthquake a couple of hundred miles from Boston that severely damaged the city in the late 1700s. It seems like earthquakes can happen almost anywhere from the bit of research I just did. I hope that "the big one" never comes, anywhere.

Brilliant. Thanks David.
Oh, I also live in an old wooden house that was made into apartments. We're going down, but luckily I'm on the top floor. :laugh: Unluckily, there's a giant tree in my courtyard about 15 feet from my apt. Unluckily, I'm pretty sure this place is a fire trap. Luckily, I'm sure we're on something solid. Unluckily, I just checked a "peak ground accelaration percentage" map, and it appears I'm in the 70-80% ground acceleration zone.
Hmmm, I think I'll stop thinking about this now.
On another note, when I was looking this up, I found a gay and lesbian ice hockey league, the Oakland Earthquakes. From their site:

"Q: I'm not gay! What do I do now? I still want to play with you guys!
A: Being attracted to the opposite sex can be hard in today's world but luckily it is becoming more and more accepted. Chin up little heterosexual. Being straight is not a choice and we understand that. That's why we here at the Earthquakes accept all sexual orientations on our team. Come join us and be a part of our family - we'll welcome you in, even if the rest of society doesn't."
:lol:

We're pretty vulnerable here, there is an elevated highway that runs along the waterfront that was damaged in the last earthquake in 2001, also a floating bridge that goes east out of the city. Most experts think they could collapse during the next earthquake. This week, state Republicans here are trying to cut the gas tax that was created to pay for their replacements. Their shortsightedness is shocking to me. They didn't learn anything from what happened in New Orleans... what can happen when a city is not prepared. They would rather cut taxes and look good for the next election.

Yep the New Madrid fault near the middle of the country actually changed the course of the Mississippi by 2 miles when it went over 200 years ago.If they have another one like that there it would flatten Memphis and St. Louis.

If Yellowstone blows like they think it might, (Super Volcano), that will be the world/civilization changer. :nod:

Thanks for the great news! Let's just hope Bush is isn't around if and when it happens. Then again we'd be dealing with a lot of very wealthy, famous, white people if it hit Los Angeles so maybe things would be different :eek:.

Who thinks it might? Any links? Suggestions? More info?

A few months ago they had a show on it on Discovery Channel about it. They showed how the bulge is growing and how they found volcanic ash thousands on miles (and very thick) away, from the last time it blew a long time ago. :nod: Very scarey.

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence.../under_03.html

Holy Scrap!

Thanks for the link, Jim.

"Jim! She's gonna blow! I can't hold 'er any longer!"

damn! I wish I had cable!

That is really scary to think about. Maybe I should go visit Yellowstone before it blows. :eek:

:laugh: :shocked: :p

It's hard not to use your name for star trek references...I'm sure you understand... :laugh:

I have a friend who is a doctor.... so you can imagine.....

"I am a doctor, not a "fill in the balnk". He's dead jim!" :laugh:

:lol:

Oh, my, favorite funny phrase ever!

"Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a circus clown!"
"Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a paraplegic time traveler!"
"Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not Joan Crawford in "Mildred Pierce!"
:lol:
Actually, come to think of it, I can see myself being disproportionately happy if my husband's name was Jim... :lol: