Illume Lyrics...
 

In the song lyrics that I'm finding online, they're written as "Nag Champra..."
What I burn is... "Nag Champa..."
Is that what she meant to say? Does she say that?
One time I hear Champa then the next, Champra...

Has anyone else noticed this?
Or am I just hearing and finding the wrong lyrics?! :confused:

She deffinitely says Nag Champra and it is in the lyrics in cd book too, but yes the incense is Nag Champa and you would think Stevie would know that given she is a hippy :lol: .

I could only ever think that maybe ChampRa is easier to say?

Oh, Stevie... :rolleyes:
Thanks for clearin' that up for me. I was confused. lol
This is coming from the woman who made up an "Emmiline..." :nod:
Sheesh. :laugh:

She is famous for mis pronouncing words :nod: , drownd-ed and CAR or Cart insted of heart come to mind... the live versions bug me from time to time..
"outeside the rain and the CART skips a beat" Does anyone else notice that one?

I've noticed that with most of her "H"s...
Is it just me?

Kinda has that French "hock" going on, huh? lol :p

Something in my car died last night...

Sounds like a confession :lol:

I think it's intentional in this case (though for whatever reason, I don't know :confused: maybe there's some kind of legal/trademark issue with using the a brand name in a song.) She has pronounced it correctly in interviews before.

^

I think Nag Champa could be a particula so that is the only reason I can think of, not to mention if it was just a mis pronunciation then it would not have been written Mag ChampRa in the lyric sheets.

I've heard people call it Nag Champra too. I think it's a common mispronouciation of it. It's hard as a vocalist to keep all the lyrics straight 100% of the time. I sung in a band before and thank God people didn't record every single show we did. You do your best but sometimes you get lost in the passion of the song and your tongue and teeth don't go the right way. It happens.

Having said my singers defense, I do recall a time on the Arsenio Hall show when she was singing Stand Back and I swear she sings "First he took my car then he ran". Which I always thought given the strange lyrics it kind of fit. LOL! :]

Oh, but he DID take her "car" and run. :>)


My opinion on the Nag Champra thing is that she purposely does it to avoid trademark issues.

And anyone ever notice how elegantly she says "hand" while singing? :)
It's very prominent in 7W. lol. It's cute.

There are a few other times she sings it... but I can't remember right now.
I'm gonna have to go through and find all the quirks that I've noticed.
I shoulda written them down. lol :D

Oh yeah--in the "Everyday" video... does it bother any of you the way she looks when she says "senses yearning"? I don't know why, but I just don't watch that part. :shrug:

And I've heard her say "I'm" as "am" many times... like in this video.
"Don't turn away--am listenin'." lol

Ha!
I just watched the SDMHA video...

"Stop dragging my car (?) around..." :shrug:

I just love her. :xoxo:

And we can't forget...
"Is love so fragile... and the heart so Haaaaa-O..." :nod:

hehehe I sing it that way allllll the time. It sounds just like "car".


I also sing at the end of Enchanted:

Whoa Whoa Whoa, I hope your naked...

What's she saying??
 

[/QUOTE]I also singing at the end of Enchanted:

Whoa Whoa Whoa, I hope your naked...[/QUOTE]

Of course you do Curtis! :xoxo: , I wouldn't expect any thing else from you :laugh:

She is singing Champra...Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't Stevie say in an interview or something that she purposely did that because it sounded better? I could have swore I read that somewhere...

She always says AY-way instead of AH-way. :D

I think it's just an unwitting mispronunciation on her part. If you search "nag champra" on the Web, you get dozens & dozens of links, so Stevie is part of a sizable community of "Nag Champa" mispronouncers.

As far as the trademark thing goes, I don't know ... it just seems doubtful to me that she would "work around" violating the Lanham Act by mispronouncing the trademark name. That seems so . . . you know, ridiculous. Actually, I'm not even really sure that "Nag Champra" is protected under U.S. trademark law because apparently the stuff is imported from India & there isn't a single distribution outlet. You can find hundreds of little companies online that import the junk & sell it on their own Web sites. Do they all have written contracts with the India company that manufactures it? Is there even a single company that does manufacture it? Who owns the trademark? I haven't bothered to look into it because I'm not much more interested than this. All I found out was that "champa" is a flower -- so "champa" or "champa flower" is not protected as a trademark.

Think of all the songs that refer to product names -- one song comes to mind immediately is Zevon's "Poor Poor Pitiful Me," which Lindsey even played & sang on! Stevie once referred to Warren as the songwriter who could "write about a Waring blender & get away with it," & she certainly wasn't referring to the Lanham Act.

No, I think she just mispronounces it. She isn't a language person, Stevie isn't. Nosirree.

Angel "and you try to go through the phone baby" "you try hard but you nver get through yay"

:nod:
"And then one day it just almost goes AY-way..." :lol:

I don't believe it's a trademark issue. When this whole Nag Champa thing came up when SYW first came out I called the store where Stevie is known to buy incense and things of the sort here is Los Angeles and they confirmed Nag Champa is NOT a brand name and has nothing to do with the trademark. It's a scent like lavendar and many there are many different brands that make Nag Champa. She mispronounced it whether it was intentional or not.

Didn't she go to college for like... communications or something? lol
She must have been absent a lot... :nod:

Exactly when did she start drugs? :laugh:

Emmiline
 

Yeah, not to waver off topic, and I'm sure it's been discussed b4, but
I've always wondered what / where the hell Emmiline was.
When I moved into a new house a few years ago, I named a stray cat,
that sort of moved in, Emmiline because it always stood out to me.

Sandy Stewart wrote the song and created a demo. They real lyrics were "you held the line"....Stevie thought she said "Emmiline".

God love her......

I knew someone would know.....Thanks Curtis... :xoxo:

I totally noticed the whole "H" pronoucing trouble thing when I was listening to an accapella version of Long Way to Go.

"Can I be of any hhhhelp to you baby" I don't know how to type it, but it sounds like she's trying to cough up a hairball when she says some of her H's.

I think the mispronunciation had to be intentional considering she pronounces it correctly in interviews. I guess the question is why.
You know, I realized my trademark theory makes no sense anyway. The opening lines to the song are
"Illume..says the candle that I burn".
Illume candles are a brand...I think?

Good question,! What the hell is an ILLUME anyway!? :shrug:

AAAnnnnddd.....She pronounces Illume, as E-lu-may??? But then again...we wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan....she speaks like she wants to. :p

Maybe she realized after the album had been recorded and she was doing interviews that she was pronouncing it wrong or someone corrected her but by that time it was too late to change?

I always thought she was singing Illumine there, but I guess not? Then I thought maybe there was an accent on the last "e" in Illume, on the candles, but no:

http://www.illumecandles.com/

From illumecandles.com:

"The ILLUME Candle brand was born and boasts collections of hand-poured candles featuring great color, great scent, and great style, all made in the USA. Today we remain committed to our leadership in design, style, quality craftsmanship and value, producting products that roll off our assembly line and straight into your retail store."

On edit: Doh!! Sorry! Sarafield beat me to it! :)

We posted at the same time! :wavey:

Well if anything... this puts to bed the copyright/trademark issue with Nag Champa/Champra. If she doesn't mind using the word Illume, why would she worry about Nag Champa?

Wonder if she had to call Bangalore or wherever the heck that stuff is made at. lol :p

Like everyone said about "Illume"... it's a brand... and it's American. :shocked:
But, she can't get whatever the heck this box says to let her use "Champa"?

an interesting type o :nod:

D*mn that Don Henley! :lol:

In her journals around Sep 11th she shared "Illume" with us when it was a poem and in that she wrote Champa without the R.

Susie

Well that puts an entirely new twist to it and kills my whole theory that she was mispronouncing it on the record. So now we know that she knew the correct way of saying it so why in the heck would she intentionally mispronounce it on the album if it wasn't a trademark issue? She's weird....lol.

Speaking of Illume, what do you guys think of the song itself? When I first got SYW it was my favorite song on the album. They lyrics are profound and the message and story behind it, well I don't even need to go there. I love the tribal beat. The song has such an original sound and the production is amazing. Stevie has never done a song that sounds like Illume. It has faded as being one of my favorites but every once in a while I go back and listen to it and realize what a truly amazing song it is. Very spiritual, very powerful.

It seems, if you look on the web, you can find it both ways: nag champa and nag champra. Maybe one is a bastardized verson? Dunno. It would appear nag champa is the more universally used name, and maybe Stevie knows that, too. Maybe she just messed it up when she sang it :shocked: , but liked that take of it. :laugh:

Nope, because on the lyrics in the album it's spelled Nag ChampRa so it was intentional. Why is the question?