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Nicksluvver 08-29-2005 07:13 PM

To Ghostracker - please use this thread
 
I agree with what you have written about how you think we should be respecting Stevie, but I highly doubt that you have any insiders info, as I have asked twice where you are getting direct info that shes hurt by what has been said because she definitely knows about it and you have yet to respond. BTW, I am a newbie too.

WildInTheWind 08-29-2005 07:18 PM

Why are there two of these threads? :shrug:

Nicksluvver 08-29-2005 07:19 PM

My mistake! Hope that the moderator deletes the other one.

WildInTheWind 08-29-2005 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicksluvver
My mistake! Hope that the moderator deletes the other one.

I think you can actually delete it yourself if you want to. Doesn't bother me....just wondering if there was a purpose for it.

Nicksluvver 08-29-2005 07:27 PM

Tried that - won't work. Anyway I started this thread to see if Ghostracker will finally post a response, otherwise Ghostracker should not incinuate that they know for certain that Stevie is upset by things on this board, without the proof to back it up. It seemed to cause alot of useless controversy. IMO anyway.

Serrart 08-29-2005 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicksluvver
Tried that - won't work. Anyway I started this thread to see if Ghostracker will finally post a response, otherwise Ghostracker should not incinuate that they know for certain that Stevie is upset by things on this board, without the proof to back it up. It seemed to cause alot of useless controversy. IMO anyway.

Personally, I don't think he has to prove anything, as anybody else who says the contrary. You choose to believe or not believe them, IMO.

Romy

Nicksluvver 08-29-2005 07:38 PM

Well said , but why not just answer the question? What is there to hide, unless it isnt true.

Serrart 08-29-2005 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicksluvver
Well said , but why not just answer the question? What is there to hide, unless it isnt true.

Because he doesn't want, or doesn't care, or didn't read your thread, it regards only him and this is a message board not a court session. JMO

Romy

WildInTheWind 08-29-2005 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serrart
Because he doesn't want, or doesn't care, or didn't read your thread, it regards only him and this is a message board not a court session. JMO

Romy

I agree with you on that one. Seems a bit strange...

Ghost_Tracker 08-29-2005 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicksluvver
I agree with what you have written about how you think we should be respecting Stevie, but I highly doubt that you have any insiders info, as I have asked twice where you are getting direct info that shes hurt by what has been said because she definitely knows about it and you have yet to respond. BTW, I am a newbie too.



"Heard it from a friend who . . .

Heard it from a friend who . . .

heard it from another...."


Oh so that's not reliable?

To trust "Second-Hand News?"

Oh, well, I apologize.

ShangriLaTroubl 08-29-2005 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker
"Heard it from a friend who . . .

Heard it from a friend who . . .

heard it from another...."


Oh so that's not reliable?

To trust "Second-Hand News?"

Oh, well, I apologize.

nope its not...cuz a lot of people are unreliable sources

Gypsy-Rhiannon 08-30-2005 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker
"Heard it from a friend who . . .

Heard it from a friend who . . .

heard it from another...."


Oh so that's not reliable?

To trust "Second-Hand News?"

Oh, well, I apologize.

Why do you type your messages like this?? Seriously... I'm curious

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 02:07 AM

I don't think it was in bad taste to talk about Stevie's men and I think she would find it funny. BUT, for Ghost Tracker, here it is..when I first joined here, somebody warned me about the doubtful on this board. If you do actually know something:
1) You will be called a liar
2) Or delusional
3) Or a stalker
And if it what you know goes against popular belief or theories here, you'll be burned at the stake, lol. So, I'm not saying anybody in this thread is guilty of any of that (Lindsay is a friend of mine! Hi Lindsay!) but Ghost Tracker, it might be better to keep what you know to yourself. It isn't worth the headache. If you know something, be satisfied in knowing you know it. That's enough.

GODDESS6 08-30-2005 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagringader&r
I don't think it was in bad taste to talk about Stevie's men and I think she would find it funny. BUT, for Ghost Tracker, here it is..when I first joined here, somebody warned me about the doubtful on this board. If you do actually know something:
1) You will be called a liar
2) Or delusional
3) Or a stalker
And if it what you know goes against popular belief or theories here, you'll be burned at the stake, lol. So, I'm not saying anybody in this thread is guilty of any of that (Lindsay is a friend of mine! Hi Lindsay!) but Ghost Tracker, it might be better to keep what you know to yourself. It isn't worth the headache. If you know something, be satisfied in knowing you know it. That's enough.

damn...this was gooooooooooooooood!!! :nod: ~

Kelly 08-30-2005 06:36 AM

Nickluvver, I am curious about something. Why not question posters who say that Stevie cares nothing about message boards?? Why only focus on one who says the content of some hurts her? I remember reading that someone had "heard" from a source they deem reliable that Stevie could care less about the internet...Ghostracker says he has "heard" that Stevie can be hurt by the content. Why zero in on him?

IMHO, there is no way in Hell Stevie is reading these messages boards. Whether she "hears" watered down versions of topics, on occassion, is unclear. I think Paula commented awhile back that it appeared that some of our comments and questions were being addressed by Stevie very quickly in interviews, etc. People started saying Waddy was cheating on his wife with Stevie and in the next few weeks she stressed at shows how she had "known him since 1971" and that she "views him as a brother". There were a few other things as well, like the Rhiannon movie. Maybe they were just coincidence. I dunno.

Nicksluvver 08-30-2005 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly
Nickluvver, I am curious about something. Why not question posters who say that Stevie cares nothing about message boards?? Why only focus on one who says the content of some hurts her? I remember reading that someone had "heard" from a source they deem reliable that Stevie could care less about the internet...Ghostracker says he has "heard" that Stevie can be hurt by the content. Why zero in on him?

IMHO, there is no way in Hell Stevie is reading these messages boards. Whether she "hears" watered down versions of topics, on occassion, is unclear. I think Paula commented awhile back that it appeared that some of our comments and questions were being addressed by Stevie very quickly in interviews, etc. People started saying Waddy was cheating on his wife with Stevie and in the next few weeks she stressed at shows how she had "known him since 1971" and that she "views him as a brother". There were a few other things as well, like the Rhiannon movie. Maybe they were just coincidence. I dunno.


Being new here, I never saw anyone else claim to know things about Stevie or not, so I was only curious in this particular instance. I did not intend to make this a thread to bash or upset anyone or zero in purposely on Ghostracker and I apologize if I did. We are all entitled to our opinions about Stevie as this is a free country and I realize that Ghostracker is entitled to keep how they know Stevie doesnt like derogatory things said on this board to themselves. I choose not to beleive it and I will leave it at that. Sorry I started this thread at all.

SapphireSister 08-30-2005 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagringader&r
I don't think it was in bad taste to talk about Stevie's men and I think she would find it funny. BUT, for Ghost Tracker, here it is..when I first joined here, somebody warned me about the doubtful on this board. If you do actually know something:
1) You will be called a liar
2) Or delusional
3) Or a stalker
And if it what you know goes against popular belief or theories here, you'll be burned at the stake, lol. So, I'm not saying anybody in this thread is guilty of any of that (Lindsay is a friend of mine! Hi Lindsay!) but Ghost Tracker, it might be better to keep what you know to yourself. It isn't worth the headache. If you know something, be satisfied in knowing you know it. That's enough.

Hey girl! :wavey: When are you coming back?

skcin 08-30-2005 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicksluvver
Being new here, I never saw anyone else claim to know things about Stevie or not, so I was only curious in this particular instance. I did not intend to make this a thread to bash or upset anyone or zero in purposely on Ghostracker and I apologize if I did. We are all entitled to our opinions about Stevie as this is a free country and I realize that Ghostracker is entitled to keep how they know Stevie doesnt like derogatory things said on this board to themselves. I choose not to beleive it and I will leave it at that. Sorry I started this thread at all.


Listen, I know you're new & I assume you did not mean to cause a problem. Don't worry about it & don't let all of this cause you to stop posting. You have a right to ask someone how they know something & they have the right to either tell you or keep it secret.

For future reference, if something is already being discussed in another thread, people probably shouldn't start another thread about it (even if the person is ignoring your question.) And using someone's screen name in the title in order to demand they answer you might be considered rude.

THAT being said, I also think it's rude for someone to claim they know something as fact & then refuse to prove it or give sources. What's the point? To do the "I know something you don't know" routine? Classy. It's one thing to state general info like "I heard from someone that Stevie is in Hawaii right now" but "I know for a fact that Stevie's mad" seems a bit too personal. Of course people are going to wonder how you know these "facts" so if you don't want to elaborate. Duh.

David 08-30-2005 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly
IMHO, there is no way in Hell Stevie is reading these messages boards. Whether she "hears" watered down versions of topics, on occassion, is unclear.

I don't think what she hears is watered down. I think it's dressed up in an extremely virulent, even viperish, anti-Internet mentality. In short, Stevie has probably been brainwashed that her fans on the Internet are a bunch of loathsome, cruel, sick nuts.

Ginny used to tell many of us that Stevie was upset or disgusted by much of what fans said on the Net. Ginny herself felt that way, despite scoping out newsgroups for many years, generally under a pseudonym (IP addresses were traced & found to match). God knows what Ginny & her cohorts were telling Stevie about online activities all those years, but it wasn't pretty.

I can only guess how others see it, but I use the Internet to entertain me. Pleasing or displeasing Stevie Nicks never was my concern, & it still isn't. I pay my monthly ISP bill, not Stevie, & will post my opinions as & where I wish. However, I also expect my own character & sense of decorum will keep me from flinging truly hateful garbage right & left on public forums about Stevie or any other innocent bystanders. That really doesn't get me off. The problem is that definitions of "hateful" or even "inappropriate" seem to vary from person to person.

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GODDESS6
damn...this was gooooooooooooooood!!! :nod: ~

Why thank you! Btw, I love your sig. Werewolves of London ROCKS and so did Zevon!

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly
People started saying Waddy was cheating on his wife with Stevie and in the next few weeks she stressed at shows how she had "known him since 1971" and that she "views him as a brother". Maybe they were just coincidence. I dunno.

Well, actually, she introduced him as "the love of her life" and as her "husband" at many shows.

strandinthewind 08-30-2005 01:21 PM

I just think it is silly to think La Nicks reads these and then changes her act based on the craziness of some 100 (and that is being generous) people. But, who knows if she does and until she tells me she does, which is unlikely, it is all speculation.

However, if she is reading this, I think she would be flattered that these 100 or so people care enough about her to discuss her. That on its own is flattering.

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapphireSister
Hey girl! :wavey: When are you coming back?

Lindsay, girl, my AIM's not working real well which is why I'm not on it. I sign on and it signs me right back out. I'm working on it. I upgraded so maybe that was the problem. I *might* (I repeat, "might") be getting married so I don't know when I'm coming back. I don't know that I can never go home tho. I love it here now but, forever? I don't know. He has to stay. His practice is very successful so he has no desire to move to LA. WHAT should I do??? How are ya, girl?

SapphireSister 08-30-2005 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David
I don't think what she hears is watered down. I think it's dressed up in an extremely virulent, even viperish, anti-Internet mentality. In short, Stevie has probably been brainwashed that her fans on the Internet are a bunch of loathsome, cruel, sick nuts.

Ginny used to tell many of us that Stevie was upset or disgusted by much of what fans said on the Net. Ginny herself felt that way, despite scoping out newsgroups for many years, generally under a pseudonym (IP addresses were traced & found to match). God knows what Ginny & her cohorts were telling Stevie about online activities all those years, but it wasn't pretty.

I can only guess how others see it, but I use the Internet to entertain me. Pleasing or displeasing Stevie Nicks never was my concern, & it still isn't. I pay my monthly ISP bill, not Stevie, & will post my opinions as & where I wish. However, I also expect my own character & sense of decorum will keep me from flinging truly hateful garbage right & left on public forums about Stevie or any other innocent bystanders. That really doesn't get me off. The problem is that definitions of "hateful" or even "inappropriate" seem to vary from person to person.

Who is Ginny?

SapphireSister 08-30-2005 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagringader&r
Lindsay, girl, my AIM's not working real well which is why I'm not on it. I sign on and it signs me right back out. I'm working on it. I upgraded so maybe that was the problem. I *might* (I repeat, "might") be getting married so I don't know when I'm coming back. I don't know that I can never go home tho. I love it here now but, forever? I don't know. He has to stay. His practice is very successful so he has no desire to move to LA. WHAT should I do??? How are ya, girl?

I'm going to pm you right now!

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
It's a lot harder for us to listen in when you talk in private.

Grandmaster BoBo! YOU were my first choice but it was that whole getting-beaten-up-on-the-Ledge-together-thingie that I wasn't sure was enough to really cement our relationship. Damn, I miss you!

reebokandlace 08-30-2005 01:42 PM

....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SapphireSister
Who is Ginny?

Former Fan Mail Lady.

SapphireSister 08-30-2005 01:46 PM

I'm not going to disucuss this anymore. From my understanding Stevie doesn't know what goes on here and doesn't WANT to know and the people around her do the best they can to make sure she doesn't. End of story.

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
I would have been a worthy suitor. There's no question about that. But when the tides turn and the moon howls, you must follow your maternal instinct to victory! So not only do I understand your complete lack of formal judgement, I truly find only one flaw in it.

And that flaw would be?

Ghost_Tracker 08-30-2005 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
nope its not...cuz a lot of people are unreliable sources


I agree.

Thank you. . . . .

Ghost_Tracker 08-30-2005 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagringader&r
I don't think it was in bad taste to talk about Stevie's men and I think she would find it funny. BUT, for Ghost Tracker, here it is..when I first joined here, somebody warned me about the doubtful on this board. If you do actually know something:
1) You will be called a liar
2) Or delusional
3) Or a stalker
And if it what you know goes against popular belief or theories here, you'll be burned at the stake, lol. So, I'm not saying anybody in this thread is guilty of any of that (Lindsay is a friend of mine! Hi Lindsay!) but Ghost Tracker, it might be better to keep what you know to yourself. It isn't worth the headache. If you know something, be satisfied in knowing you know it. That's enough.

k - thanks! :o :shrug: sorry!

dissention 08-30-2005 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reebokandlace
Former Fan Mail Lady.

And crazier than a ****house rat.

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapphireSister
I'm not going to disucuss this anymore. From my understanding Stevie doesn't know what goes on here and doesn't WANT to know and the people around her do the best they can to make sure she doesn't. End of story.

Yep. If there's anything that would upset Stevie at all IF her peeps filled her in on what goes on here, it would be the *fat* comments, she can't sing, she doesn't move, she *shuffles*, blah, blah, blah. I think discussing her men would probably make her laugh. She'd be "oh you silly people, you don't know the HALF of it"!

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
Well if I told you, you would immediately drop Mr. Dr. and run screaming into Chad's arms. I'm not sure if you're ready for that just yet.

It's THAT big?!

Ghost_Tracker 08-30-2005 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly
Nickluvver, I am curious about something. Why not question posters who say that Stevie cares nothing about message boards?? Why only focus on one who says the content of some hurts her? I remember reading that someone had "heard" from a source they deem reliable that Stevie could care less about the internet...Ghostracker says he has "heard" that Stevie can be hurt by the content. Why zero in on him?

IMHO, there is no way in Hell Stevie is reading these messages boards. Whether she "hears" watered down versions of topics, on occassion, is unclear. I think Paula commented awhile back that it appeared that some of our comments and questions were being addressed by Stevie very quickly in interviews, etc. People started saying Waddy was cheating on his wife with Stevie and in the next few weeks she stressed at shows how she had "known him since 1971" and that she "views him as a brother". There were a few other things as well, like the Rhiannon movie. Maybe they were just coincidence. I dunno.

Yes - THANK you - BINGO! :blob2:

sodascouts 08-30-2005 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David
I can only guess how others see it, but I use the Internet to entertain me. Pleasing or displeasing Stevie Nicks never was my concern, & it still isn't. I pay my monthly ISP bill, not Stevie, & will post my opinions as & where I wish. However, I also expect my own character & sense of decorum will keep me from flinging truly hateful garbage right & left on public forums about Stevie or any other innocent bystanders. That really doesn't get me off. The problem is that definitions of "hateful" or even "inappropriate" seem to vary from person to person.

Well said.

strandinthewind 08-30-2005 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagringader&r
I don't think it was in bad taste to talk about Stevie's men and I think she would find it funny. BUT, for Ghost Tracker, here it is..when I first joined here, somebody warned me about the doubtful on this board. If you do actually know something:
1) You will be called a liar
2) Or delusional
3) Or a stalker
And if it what you know goes against popular belief or theories here, you'll be burned at the stake, lol. So, I'm not saying anybody in this thread is guilty of any of that (Lindsay is a friend of mine! Hi Lindsay!) but Ghost Tracker, it might be better to keep what you know to yourself. It isn't worth the headache. If you know something, be satisfied in knowing you know it. That's enough.

With all due respect, alot of the backlash comes in the presentation of the knowledge :shrug: Also, just saying you know something is cool, but people have a right to ask how. That is usually when the person with the knowledge gets all upset. It is sort of like a "how dare you question me" kind of thing. I also think that if people are really close to the band, they will say nothing as I am sure the band would want it that way. So, there are lots of factors at play in this. But, I agree, if you know something and do not want to be questioned on how you know it, it is better off not to say it.

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker
k - thanks! :o :shrug: sorry!

Oh ****, you don't have to apologize to me and I'm not calling you a liar at all. Just wanted to offer some advice somebody gave to me. I was new here not that long ago and I got raked over the coals and then toasted again for extra crispiness. Don't want to see you get in over your head or the same thing to happen to you. Like I said, if you know it, that's good enough. Just friendly advice.

lagringader&r 08-30-2005 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind
With all due respect, alot of the backlash comes in the presentation of the knowledge :shrug: Also, just saying you know something is cool, but people have a right to ask how. That is usually when the person with the knowledge gets all upset. It is sort of like a "how dare you question me" kind of thing. I also think that if people are really close to the band, they will say nothing as I am sure the band would want it that way. So, there are lots of factors at play in this. But, I agree, if you know something and do not want to be questioned on how you know it, it is better off not to say it.

Yep, that's a good point. Gawd, I've racked up 10 posts on this thread alone!

strandinthewind 08-30-2005 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagringader&r
. . . Gawd, I've racked up 10 posts on this thread alone!

that's because you are fabulous!!!!! :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:


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