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DavidMn 08-16-2005 03:45 AM

how many copies did Time sell?
 
I heard this album sold less than 40,000 copies. Is this really true? I mean I must admit, this album doesnt feature my favorite lineup, but the album is serviceable in my opinion, and I wouldve though the Fletwood Mac name alone would have been good for 100,000 or so?

face of glass 08-16-2005 04:53 AM

According to this post (which is an old one, but I haven't found anything newer) it sold about 50 000 copies in the USA. I don't know the sales figures for the rest of the world, but I suspect it probably sold the same amount outside of USA, so your guess would probably be close to reality.

BombaySapphire3 08-16-2005 05:48 AM

Time also has the dubious distinction of being the only Fleetwood Mac studio album of new material to fail to make the Billboard top 200 in the entire 38 years of the band's extistence.

ontheEdgeof17 08-16-2005 07:28 AM

I think diss has more posts than the number of copies Time sold.


It's ashame, too. It's a pretty good album.

GateandGarden 08-16-2005 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
It's ashame, too. It's a pretty good album.

It's sad how some people who probably haven't even heard it write it off, too. :(

David 08-16-2005 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
I heard this album sold less than 40,000 copies. Is this really true? I mean I must admit, this album doesnt feature my favorite lineup, but the album is serviceable in my opinion, and I wouldve though the Fletwood Mac name alone would have been good for 100,000 or so?

Maybe its Time will come one day. . .

On the other hand, maybe not.

chiliD 08-16-2005 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
I heard this album sold less than 40,000 copies. Is this really true? I mean I must admit, this album doesnt feature my favorite lineup, but the album is serviceable in my opinion, and I wouldve though the Fletwood Mac name alone would have been good for 100,000 or so?

Well, if the other 60,000 would've been TOLD it even existed, it probably would've sold that many. :shrug:

It was released with less than zero publicity or marketing; the band ENDED their tour before the album was released (and played only two songs from the upcoming album..."Blow By Blow" & "Dreaming The Dream")...so, I think those 40,000 people got something pretty special.

HomerMcvie 08-16-2005 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
It's sad how some people who probably haven't even heard it write it off, too. :(

People are narrowminded. Time is actually pretty good. I break it out 4 or 5 times a year.

bretonbanquet 08-16-2005 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
Well, if the other 60,000 would've been TOLD it even existed, it probably would've sold that many. :shrug:

It was released with less than zero publicity or marketing; the band ENDED their tour before the album was released (and played only two songs from the upcoming album..."Blow By Blow" & "Dreaming The Dream")...so, I think those 40,000 people got something pretty special.

That album definitely came out of nowhere - it was suddenly just there, in the racks... I recall being very surprised to see it :laugh: It took me a while to get round to buying it, but I'm really glad I did, I still enjoy it very much.

MACFAN 08-16-2005 04:13 PM

Im one of the 40,000 who bought the album and I really dont care for it. Actually I think I listened to it twice and one of my shih-tsu's chewed it up :nod: The dog is dead. How I miss that dog !!!

bretonbanquet 08-16-2005 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MACFAN
Im one of the 40,000 who bought the album and I really dont care for it. Actually I think I listened to it twice and one of my shih-tsu's chewed it up :nod: The dog is dead. How I miss that dog !!!

You're not suggesting that there's a connection between the quality of the 'Time' album and the death of your dog, are you? :(

SteveMacD 08-16-2005 05:39 PM

I bought it the day it came out, and I still listen to it a few times a year. At the time, I really loved the album, though in retrospect, some if it is disappointing. What I don't like about the album are Dave's songs and the whole different personnel on different songs with different producers thing. I had certain hopes for Dave's songs that just didn't pan out. His stuff was a little too one dimensional. I also feel that Christine had too many songs, while the boys had too few. Bekka, just right.

That being said, the Bekka and Billy stuff was great and I enjoyed most of Christine's songs. And, Mick's lead work on "These Strange Times" was quite good, in a David Gilmore kind of way.

Overall, I'll agree that it wasn't the band's best effort, but it's nowhere near as bad as some make it out to be. And, I don't feel the sales indicate quality. Lindsey's masterpiece "Out Of The Cradle" sold about the same number of copies. As I've pointed out before, "Time," "Street Angel," and OOTC combined sold less than half a million, so it's not like any of them were setting the world on fire.

DavidMn 08-16-2005 08:25 PM

You know, one thing I think that hurt Time was the fact that they were touring on what alot of people (Not yours truly) viewed as a strictly nostalgia tour with REO Speedwagon and someone else I cant remember at the moment

SteveMacD 08-16-2005 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
You know, one thing I think that hurt Time was the fact that they were touring on what alot of people (Not yours truly) viewed as a strictly nostalgia tour with REO Speedwagon and someone else I cant remember at the moment

Pat Benetar and Orleans (Still The One, Dance With Me). I don't see how it hurt the album, when they didn't have an album out at that time. Many fans saw that tour, as well as the tour with Crosby, Stills, & Nash the year before, as the band building stage chemistry for when the album eventually came out and as a way to make some money. However, after the album was released, the band basically split up. Of course, I have my theory as to why they just let the album die. Long story short, I don't think it's coincidental that "Twisted" was released only seven months to the day after "Time."

jbrownsjr 08-17-2005 12:49 PM

I like Time more than SYW. Don't care for Dave's songs too much.

A "Dave" on any FM always has bad songs.

macfan 57 08-17-2005 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr
I like Time more than SYW. Don't care for Dave's songs too much.

Me too. :nod: I really like the ladies' songs. But I just don't care much for Billy & Dave's songs.

ontheEdgeof17 08-17-2005 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by macfan 57
Me too. :nod: I really like the ladies' songs. But I just don't care much for Billy & Dave's songs.


I agree.

Winds of Change

I Do

Nothing Without You......are all high on my list as fav FM songs. :nod:

SteveMacD 08-17-2005 07:23 PM

I actually liked Billy's songs, too. Well, he really didn't have his own songs, as his were both duets with Bekka. "Talkin' To My Heart" ALWAYS makes me smile. Too bad there wasn't a Billy-Christine duet, as I LOVE how they sound together. Actually, I almost wish they would have redone "It Ain't Over" from Billy's "Try Me" album, as their voices on that were breathtaking. I have half a notion of putting that on my mp3 site.

Nicks Fan 08-17-2005 10:38 PM

I think that the "Time Album" was not a great album but I t had it's moments. Bekka had some good songs on it. I think if it had been given the chance it could have done better.

Matt

jbrownsjr 08-17-2005 10:56 PM

i love christine bekka and billy's voices on Talkin to my Heart

Christine adds her beatiful color to that song

DavidMn 08-17-2005 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
Pat Benetar and Orleans (Still The One, Dance With Me). I don't see how it hurt the album, when they didn't have an album out at that time. Many fans saw that tour, as well as the tour with Crosby, Stills, & Nash the year before, as the band building stage chemistry for when the album eventually came out and as a way to make some money. However, after the album was released, the band basically split up. Of course, I have my theory as to why they just let the album die. Long story short, I don't think it's coincidental that "Twisted" was released only seven months to the day after "Time."

You got me there. I shouldve worded that differently. thank you for correcting me

macfan 57 08-18-2005 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr
i love christine bekka and billy's voices on Talkin to my Heart

Christine adds her beatiful color to that song

Is Christine on "Talkin' To My Heart"? I don't hear her. I have just always assumed that she played & sang on only her 5 songs.

Gailh 08-18-2005 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by macfan 57
Me too. :nod: I really like the ladies' songs. But I just don't care much for Billy & Dave's songs.

I don't mind Billy's stuff but Dave Mason? I don't see what he was doing in Fleetwood Mac or was Mick short of money at the time?

Gail

ThePenguin 08-18-2005 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by macfan 57
Is Christine on "Talkin' To My Heart"? I don't hear her. I have just always assumed that she played & sang on only her 5 songs.


I think she is on background vocals . I hear her in the 'ah-ahhhh's'....

Love that song, BTW. great opener to that album.

-Lis

chiliD 08-18-2005 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gailh
I don't mind Billy's stuff but Dave Mason? I don't see what he was doing in Fleetwood Mac or was Mick short of money at the time?

Gail


Apparently, from what I've read, Dave Mason (who had been living in Mick's "guest house" at the time) hounded Mick until he relented and let him in the band.

Why Mick didn't even bother to ask Todd Sharp just boggles my mind...he's a fantastic guitarist, he's a singer/songwriter, he went to Africa with Mick for The Visitor, he'd played in The Zoo, on Christine's album & tour (wrote "I'm The One" for her), and was with Bob Welch's band from 1978-81. He basically WAS a logical choice...but according to his Q&A here, Mick never asked.

macfan 57 08-18-2005 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
Why Mick didn't even bother to ask Todd Sharp just boggles my mind...he's a fantastic guitaristy, he's a singer/songwriter, he went to Africa with Mick for The Visitor, he'd played in The Zoo, on Christine's album & tour (wrote "I'm The One" for her), and was with Bob Welch's band from 1978-81. He basically WAS a logical choice...but according to his Q&A here, Mick never asked.

According to Mick in a 1992 Goldmine interview, Todd was considered for the band after Lindsey left in 1987.

chiliD 08-18-2005 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by macfan 57
According to Mick in a 1992 Goldmine interview, Todd was considered for the band after Lindsey left in 1987.

Ok, so who are we gonna believe :shrug:...Todd said he was NEVER asked at ANY time.

Cop-out theory: Mick probably "considered" Todd in his own mind, but never made the phone call.

GateandGarden 08-18-2005 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePenguin
I think she is on background vocals . I hear her in the 'ah-ahhhh's'....

Love that song, BTW. great opener to that album.

-Lis

I had thought at one point that those "ah-ahhhhh's" were Christine but then I thought maybe that was just wishful thinking on my part, like me just wanting the song to be even more perfect than it already is. Now I think it must be since I'm not the only one who thinks so. Cool! :)

jbrownsjr 08-18-2005 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
I had thought at one point that those "ah-ahhhhh's" were Christine but then I thought maybe that was just wishful thinking on my part, like me just wanting the song to be even more perfect than it already is. Now I think it must be since I'm not the only one who thinks so. Cool! :)


that's Christine on the ahhh's

macfan 57 08-18-2005 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr
that's Christine on the ahhh's

I'm going to have to listen a little closer next time. :) I still don't really like the song though & I usually like Billy's songs.

jbrownsjr 08-18-2005 06:41 PM

ur gonna kick urself when you hear it

and...........it might make u like the song

MACFAN 09-01-2005 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
Apparently, from what I've read, Dave Mason (who had been living in Mick's "guest house" at the time) hounded Mick until he relented and let him in the band.

Why Mick didn't even bother to ask Todd Sharp just boggles my mind...he's a fantastic guitarist, he's a singer/songwriter, he went to Africa with Mick for The Visitor, he'd played in The Zoo, on Christine's album & tour (wrote "I'm The One" for her), and was with Bob Welch's band from 1978-81. He basically WAS a logical choice...but according to his Q&A here, Mick never asked.

Why Fleetwood Mac even released Time boggles my mind. To me that is the worst album ever!! Christine should have stayed away from the project for her own good and released her songs and they should have released the music under a different name. This album was just all over the place in terms of any form of cohesion.

HomerMcvie 09-01-2005 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MACFAN
Why Fleetwood Mac even released Time boggles my mind.

It was to be the next incarnation of FM. Too bad the public wasn't willing to accept it without ole what's her name. And it really died the death when Mick realized Lindsey was interested in coming back into the fold.
Time's not that bad. And Bekka's got an amazing voice. WAAAAY better than.....you know who! :angel:

chiliD 09-01-2005 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MACFAN
Why Fleetwood Mac even released Time boggles my mind.



BFD, its a Fleetwood Mac album, get over it. Fleetwood Mac existed for nearly a decade BEFORE those two California brats joined, they carried on without 'em. Big f-ing deal.

Why Fleetwood Mac even carried on after Peter Green left boggles mine. But, that's a whole 'nother thread.

SteveMacD 09-01-2005 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MACFAN
Why Fleetwood Mac even released Time boggles my mind. To me that is the worst album ever!!

Please. It isn't even the worst Fleetwood Mac album, far less the worst album ever.
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Originally Posted by MACFAN
Christine should have stayed away from the project for her own good and released her songs and they should have released the music under a different name.

Why would Christine stay away from a project in which she was there from the beginning? When they started working on the album, it was just Mick, John, and Christine. Then they added Bekka, and then Dave. Billy Burnette rejoined shortly thereafter.
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Originally Posted by MACFAN
This album was just all over the place in terms of any form of cohesion.

On that I'll agree, and have said it was what really hurt the album for me. As I've said, considering that "Time," "Street Angel," and "Out Of The Cradle" combined sold less than 400,000 copies says more to me about the overall popularity of Fleetwood Mac, REGARDLESS OF PERSONNEL, than it does about the quality of the albums themselves.

MACFAN 09-01-2005 09:09 PM

[QUOTE=SteveMacD]Please. It isn't even the worst Fleetwood Mac album, far less the worst album ever.

Why would Christine stay away from a project in which she was there from the beginning? When they started working on the album, it was just Mick, John, and Christine. Then they added Bekka, and then Dave. Billy Burnette rejoined shortly thereafter.

To me it is the worst Fleetwood Mac album. Christine should have stayed away because an album of her alone would have been way better than the piece of **** Time is. Sad part is Dave Mason has done some great work, just not with Fleetwood Mac.

MACFAN 09-01-2005 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
BFD, its a Fleetwood Mac album, get over it. Fleetwood Mac existed for nearly a decade BEFORE those two California brats joined, they carried on without 'em. Big f-ing deal.

Why Fleetwood Mac even carried on after Peter Green left boggles mine. But, that's a whole 'nother thread.

Get over what? The fact that I think Time sucks....please. I like every Fleetwood Mac album that "those two California Brats" are not on. Time is just not one of them. :sorry:

MACFAN 09-01-2005 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
It was to be the next incarnation of FM. Too bad the public wasn't willing to accept it without ole what's her name. And it really died the death when Mick realized Lindsey was interested in coming back into the fold.
Time's not that bad. And Bekka's got an amazing voice. WAAAAY better than.....you know who! :angel:

Yeah Bekka can sing Im not denying that. Better than Stevie no. Bekka's body of work does not hold a candle to Stevie's. Time died before it hit the stores.

SteveMacD 09-01-2005 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MACFAN
Christine should have stayed away because an album of her alone would have been way better than the piece of **** Time is.

Again, she was the only singer/songwriter who was involved with the project from the very beginning, so it makes no sense for her to have stayed away. As for an album of her alone, well that isn't Fleetwood Mac! Fleetwood Mac has never only had one singer. Why start going down that road 28 years later? And most folks who follow the band somewhat closely weren't shocked that Bekka Bramlett ended up in the group. Actually, I suspected from a conversation I had with Mick the one time I met him that Dave Mason would end up in the band. In any event, there are some really good songs on "Time," and honestly, I could find six songs on "Time" that I'd enjoy listening to, which is one more than I get with "Penguin." Let's face it, the band is at it's best with three songwriters. Two isn't enough, four is overkill.
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Originally Posted by MACFAN
Sad part is Dave Mason has done some great work, just not with Fleetwood Mac.

As somebody who has all of his solo albums and his work with Traffic (check out the discography section), I completely agree. I was very disappointed in his "Time" stuff, although I do like the toned-down 1994 version of "Blow By Blow."

HomerMcvie 09-01-2005 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MACFAN
Yeah Bekka can sing Im not denying that. Better than Stevie no. Bekka's body of work does not hold a candle to Stevie's.

I didn't SAY she had more hits, or number of songs written. I said she's a better singer. Technique-wise, she is.
I guess when she's animated as a barnyard animal on South Park, she'll have it made! ;) :wavey: :lol: :lol:


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