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The Tower 07-31-2005 09:02 PM

I turned away so he couldn't see....
 
I knew him another way
I knew him another day
In some ways he'd forgotten me
In many ways he got to me
I turned away so he couldn't see
I turned away...it could never be
I never thought he could walk away
But I lost him again...yesterday


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...turnedaway.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek:


No wonder she had to go away for a little while to remember how to feel.....

GateandGarden 07-31-2005 09:10 PM

Is ReFleetwoodMac posting under your name? ;)

KarmaContestant 07-31-2005 09:14 PM

Hmmm.... Lindsey looks really good in that picture, and the smile on Stevie's face is so cute....what is that from?

AliceLover 07-31-2005 09:23 PM

She looks better there then a year later. SA tour yikes!

The Tower 07-31-2005 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant
Hmmm.... Lindsey looks really good in that picture, and the smile on Stevie's face is so cute....what is that from?

I found it on Nancy's site (www.buckinghamnicks.net)- it's a pic from the Clinton inaugural. In my opinion, Lindsey was at his hottest during the Out of the Cradle era. Too bad Stevie looked like hell and felt like hell.

ReFleetwoodMac 07-31-2005 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Is ReFleetwoodMac posting under your name? ;)

I do not mock based on appearance. I mock based on personality, first impressions and stereotypes.

StevieNicksEO17 07-31-2005 09:49 PM

Awww, I love it. :xoxo:

Sorry, I'm a shipper! :cool:

*waits for people to come beat me up*

GateandGarden 07-31-2005 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
I do not mock based on appearance. I mock based on personality, first impressions and stereotypes.

Ah, good to know. :nod:

GateandGarden 07-31-2005 09:54 PM

On another note, seeing those lyrics typed out so large reminds me how truly mediocre they are. Oh well, at least the song's catchy and she's smokin' hot in the video.

The Tower 07-31-2005 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
On another note, seeing those lyrics typed out so large reminds me how truly mediocre they are. Oh well, at least the song's catchy and she's smokin' hot in the video.

They truly are mediocre and awful. But the vocal is killer and it's a great rock tune so, eh- I overlook them.

dissention 07-31-2005 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
They truly are mediocre and awful. But the vocal is killer and it's a great rock tune so, eh- I overlook them.

She sounds lethargic until the the end and it doesn't have enough personality to be a great rock tune, imo. It's quite blah. Like faded blue denim jeans.

GateandGarden 07-31-2005 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
She sounds lethargic until the the end and it doesn't have enough personality to be a great rock tune, imo. It's quite blah. Like faded blue denim jeans.

I don't know. Maybe I need to put it in again but it seems very passionate to me. The problem I have with it is that however passionate, the vocals just don't sound too good, and I think that goes for every track on that CD. But then again I'm crazy because I LOVE her vocals on "Seven Wonders." :o

dissention 07-31-2005 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
I don't know. Maybe I need to put it in again but it seems very passionate to me. The problem I have with it is that however passionate, the vocals just don't sound too good, and I think that goes for every track on that CD. But then again I'm crazy because I LOVE her vocals on "Seven Wonders." :o

She sounds like crap on Street Angel, you'll get no arguments from me. It's such a sad album for me to listen to that I don't know why I haven't pawned it at second-hand record store by now. She sounds detached (and it isn't a cool detachment like Bowie or David Byrne, either), uninterested, bored, and devoid of almost every quality that made me like her to begin with. I just plain don't like it.

I love her vocal on "It's Only Love" and many hate that one, so we're all different, I suppose.

GateandGarden 07-31-2005 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
She sounds like crap on Street Angel, you'll get no arguments from me. It's such a sad album for me to listen to that I don't know why I haven't pawned it at second-hand record store by now. She sounds detached (and it isn't a cool detachment like Bowie or David Byrne, either), uninterested, bored, and devoid of almost every quality that made me like her to begin with. I just plain don't like it.

You're going to make Curtis cry, you know.

Quote:

I love her vocal on "It's Only Love" and many hate that one, so we're all different, I suppose.
I think she sounds great on that song, too. :)

dissention 07-31-2005 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
You're going to make Curtis cry, you know.

I'm a fronliner, I put it all on the line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GateandGarden
I think she sounds great on that song, too. :)

She sounds like she just smoked a pack on that one, I love it. It's not as sterile as the other tracks and it works in favor of it. :nod:

The Tower 08-01-2005 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissention
I'm a frontliner, I put it all on the line.

Are you a gambler who turns lucky all the time as well?

Quote:

She sounds like she just smoked a pack on that one, I love it. It's not as sterile as the other tracks and it works in favor of it. :nod:
Too bad the song is a piece of ****. Nothing can polish that turd.

Bryan 08-01-2005 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissention
She sounds like crap on Street Angel, you'll get no arguments from me. It's such a sad album for me to listen to that I don't know why I haven't pawned it at second-hand record store by now. She sounds detached (and it isn't a cool detachment like Bowie or David Byrne, either), uninterested, bored, and devoid of almost every quality that made me like her to begin with. I just plain don't like it.

Is there ANYTHING at all that you do like on Street Angel?! a guitar solo? a note even?! The way some people talk about SA is as if it's the single most unlistenable piece of **** evah. That's so ridiculous.


-Bryan

Johnny Stew 08-01-2005 10:42 AM

Hey Bryan... wow, I haven't seen you posting in AGES.
I've missed seeing you around. How have you been?

(By the way, there are plenty of us who do find a lot of value in 'Street Angel,' so no worries. :nod: )

The Tower 08-01-2005 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan
Is there ANYTHING at all that you do like on Street Angel?! a guitar solo? a note even?! The way some people talk about SA is as if it's the single most unlistenable piece of **** evah. That's so ridiculous.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
(By the way, there are plenty of us who do find a lot of value in 'Street Angel,' so no worries. :nod: )

"Blue Denim" is awesome and "Love Is Like A River" is a scorcher. "Rose Garden" has its moments. Otherwise the album is pretty much a stinker. :shrug:

I know that Dissention really loathes this album. I listened to it a lot when it first came out, but if I put it in these days- ewwww. Not good.

Bryan 08-01-2005 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Hey Bryan... wow, I haven't seen you posting in AGES.
I've missed seeing you around. How have you been?

(By the way, there are plenty of us who do find a lot of value in 'Street Angel,' so no worries. :nod: )

Hey!! aw you are just the sweetest! i've been great,thanks for asking!

Good to know there's lots who appreciate Street Angel. Though it's as if its become oh-so-fashionable for some fans to look for the negative in it and rip into it. I think that's gotten really old.


-Bryan

dissention 08-01-2005 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
Too bad the song is a piece of ****. Nothing can polish that turd.

Well, I like it. :p Especially in comparison to the overproduced sludge that it's surrounded by.

dissention 08-01-2005 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
I know that Dissention really loathes this album. I listened to it a lot when it first came out, but if I put it in these days- ewwww. Not good.

It's crap, imo. Sure, there are a couple of good lyrics here and there, I really love the title track, but that really is about it. She doesn't sound good, the production is murky, her creativity was zapped, etc. There's nothing to it, it's simply dull.

trackaghost 08-01-2005 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
On another note, seeing those lyrics typed out so large reminds me how truly mediocre they are. Oh well, at least the song's catchy and she's smokin' hot in the video.

I actually like the lyrics, even though they're simple. I mean if you keep with Towie's perspective in his first post, they're kinda heartbreaking really, you know "you still get to me, but it's plain to see, because of how I look, I don't get to you anymore." Sad really.

Plus, I don't think the vocal is too bad on Blue Denim, although it's killah on the Leno and Letterman performances.

Blue Denim is by far the best song on Street Angel for me. It's a mediorce album for sure, but it stands out a mile, in a good way I mean.

trackaghost 08-01-2005 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
It's crap, imo. Sure, there are a couple of good lyrics here and there, I really love the title track, but that really is about it. She doesn't sound good, the production is murky, her creativity was zapped, etc. There's nothing to it, it's simply dull.

I don't think it's crap, but it's definitely dull and mediorce and in many ways that's worse.

I sometimes put it on and think, that's pleasant enough, but I've gone years without listening to it (bar Blue Denim) before. I can't say that for any of Stevie's other albums. It doesn't draw you back, although I know some people here like it.

ELIUD 08-01-2005 11:26 AM

I've found a lot of new respect for Street Angel after reading a thread here a while back about "Docklands". I couldn't for the life of me remember that song. FREAKY...not going into that again, but there's a lot on there I really like. My old standby favorites have always been Blue Denim, Rose Garden and Listen to the Rain (LOVE THIS ONE - it rocks and anyone that doesn't recognize that? is a LAME-O). But I think Kick-it ain't bad and her vocals sound pretty good on songs I hate like Unconditional Love. That song sucks but she sounds great in it.

dissention 08-01-2005 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost
I don't think it's crap, but it's definitely dull and mediorce and in many ways that's worse.

I sometimes put it on and think, that's pleasant enough, but I've gone years without listening to it (bar Blue Denim) before. I can't say that for any of Stevie's other albums. It doesn't draw you back, although I know some people here like it.

Well said.

The worst thing for me is if I'm bored by an album. Street Angel bores me to tears and there's nothing on it that really makes me want to listen to it. Her creativity was zapped and that album is the product of it. She relied heavily on outside material, and the stuff that she wrote was just silly and lifeless. "No, no, no...there's no Beauty and the Beast here." Fech.

The Tower 08-01-2005 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Well, I like it. :p Especially in comparison to the overproduced sludge that it's surrounded by.

Ya know- I pulled out TISL and listened to it going back and forth to work for three four days. I was surprised out how extremely uneven this record is.

(A) Trouble in Shangri-La
(B) Candlebright
(C) Sorcerer
(A) Planets of the Universe
(D) Every Day
(D-) Too Far from Texas
(F) That Made me Stronger
(F) It's Only Love
(F) Love Changes
(A) I Miss You
(C) Bombay Sapphires
(A) Fall From Grace
(B+) Love Is

GPA - 2.15

The middle of the album is soooo weak. I don't understand how Stevie would say this is her masterpiece- compare it to Bella Donna:

(A) Bella Donna
(B) Kind of Woman
(B) Stop Draggin' my Heart Around
(B) Think About It
(B) After the Glitter Fades
(A) Edge of Seventeen
(C) How Still my Love
(C) Leather and Lace
(A) Outside The Rain
(A) The Highwayman

GPA - 3.4

Or how about The Other Side of the Mirror?

(B) Rooms On Fire
(B+) Long Way to Go
(D)Two Kinds of Love
(A) Ooh My Love
(B)Ghosts
(C+) Whole Lotta Trouble
(C)Fire Burning
(F) Cry Wolf
(B) Alice
(B+) Juliet
(A) Doing the Best I Can (Escape from Berlin)
(D) I Still Miss Someone (Blue Eyes)

GPA - 2.54

Howzabout Street Angel?

(B+) Blue Denim
(F) Greta
(C) Street Angel
(F) Docklands
(F) Listen to the Rain
(C) Destiny
(F) Unconditional Love
(B) Love is like a River
(B) Rose Garden
(C) Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind
(D) Just Like a Woman
(D-) Kick It
(B) Jane

GPA - 1.53

trackaghost 08-01-2005 11:36 AM

I'm curious for you to do RAL and Wild Heart now!

The Tower 08-01-2005 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ELIUD
...and Listen to the Rain (LOVE THIS ONE - it rocks and anyone that doesn't recognize that? is a LAME-O).

You have GOT to be kidding. That's the worst song on the album. The lyrics are atrocious...

JazmenFlowers 08-01-2005 11:40 AM

I think SA is not her best and I agree that it is lacking, for me, mostly in the lyrics, but I am very grateful it was released because I think Blue Denim, Rose Garden and Destiny are amazing and maybe we wouldn't have those songs if not for SA. I myself can listen to the album front to back with no problem but I don't find myself really getting the same emotion from it that I do her other albums.

dissention 08-01-2005 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
Ya know- I pulled out TISL and listened to it going back and forth to work for three four days. I was surprised out how extremely uneven this record is.

You didn't notice how uneven it was when you first listened to it? Crikey. :laugh: As soon as Every Day comes on, it's all downhill. Turd after turd after turd. It gets off to such a good start that the second half is positively jarring. With Every Day, the transformation into AC grandma is complete.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
(A) Trouble in Shangri-La
(B) Candlebright
(C) Sorcerer
(A) Planets of the Universe
(D) Every Day
(D-) Too Far from Texas
(F) That Made me Stronger
(F) It's Only Love
(F) Love Changes
(A) I Miss You
(C) Bombay Sapphires
(A) Fall From Grace
(B+) Love Is

GPA - 2.15

The middle of the album is soooo weak. I don't understand how Stevie would say this is her masterpiece- compare it to Bella Donna:

(A) Bella Donna
(B) Kind of Woman
(B) Stop Draggin' my Heart Around
(B) Think About It
(B) After the Glitter Fades
(A) Edge of Seventeen
(C) How Still my Love
(C) Leather and Lace
(A) Outside The Rain
(A) The Highwayman

GPA - 3.4

Stevie's a nutbag.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
Or how about The Other Side of the Mirror?

(B) Rooms On Fire
(B+) Long Way to Go
(D)Two Kinds of Love
(A) Ooh My Love
(B)Ghosts
(C+) Whole Lotta Trouble
(C)Fire Burning
(F) Cry Wolf
(B) Alice
(B+) Juliet
(A) Doing the Best I Can (Escape from Berlin)
(D) I Still Miss Someone (Blue Eyes)

GPA - 2.54

Howzabout Street Angel?

(B+) Blue Denim
(F) Greta
(C) Street Angel
(F) Docklands
(F) Listen to the Rain
(C) Destiny
(F) Unconditional Love
(B) Love is like a River
(B) Rose Garden
(C) Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind
(D) Just Like a Woman
(D-) Kick It
(B) Jane

GPA - 1.53

You're too kind towards Street Angel. Though I do like Just like A Woman and always have.

trackaghost 08-01-2005 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
Ya know- I pulled out TISL and listened to it going back and forth to work for three four days. I was surprised out how extremely uneven this record is.

(A) Trouble in Shangri-La
(B) Candlebright
(C) Sorcerer
(A) Planets of the Universe
(D) Every Day
(D-) Too Far from Texas
(F) That Made me Stronger
(F) It's Only Love
(F) Love Changes
(A) I Miss You
(C) Bombay Sapphires
(A) Fall From Grace
(B+) Love Is

GPA - 2.15

I'd actually rate It's Only Love and Love Changes higher myself.

I don't think it's her masterpiece but it's her most consistent album since the mid 80s. It's actually my third favourite from her, after BD and TWH

Bryan 08-01-2005 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
I don't understand how Stevie would say this is her masterpiece


Me either. She's a strange lady that's for sure.
I mean I like the album and all but masterpiece?!?! hmmm..no.
I think it's very true when people talk about how protected or shielded she is from reality.


-Bryan

JazmenFlowers 08-01-2005 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan
I think it's very true when people talk about how protected or shielded she is from reality.

yeppers - I wonder myself sometimes if the lack of "amazing" lyrics stem from this. Look at the abundance of lyrical poetry early on...as she got more famous and possibly "removed" her lyrics may have suffered. How long can she write those classics based on 20 year old experiences. For our sake, I hope forever...

The Tower 08-01-2005 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackaghost
I actually like the lyrics, even though they're simple. I mean if you keep with Towie's perspective in his first post, they're kinda heartbreaking really, you know "you still get to me, but it's plain to see, because of how I look, I don't get to you anymore." Sad really.

I think it's a very, very sad song. That's why she nails the vocal at the end of the song. You can tell she was hurt, bitter and disillusioned with life. For three years of her life 1991/1992/1993 she crawled away and secluded herself away from the world. Very sad. As pathetic as the beginning lyrics are, they bite hard like a bitch at the end-

"So, I'm going away for a little while to remember how to feel
And if I find the answer, I promise you, I'll come back and get you
"

Gives me shivers everytime. :nod:

Serrart 08-01-2005 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
I think it's a very, very sad song. That's why she nails the vocal at the end of the song. You can tell she was hurt, bitter and disillusioned with life. For three years of her life 1991/1992/1993 she crawled away and secluded herself away from the world. Very sad. As pathetic as the beginning lyrics are, they bite hard like a bitch at the end-

"So, I'm going away for a little while to remember how to feel
And if I find the answer, I promise you, I'll come back and get you
"

Gives me shivers everytime. :nod:

I quite like the song: the lyrics are simple and predictable in some points but overall I find it extremely truthful, she lowered a lot of defenses with it, I think. Besides she performed it live with such an anergy. :nod:

And I agree with Stevie, Trouble in Shangri-La is her masterpiece (together with Bella Donna :D ).

Romy

The Tower 08-01-2005 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackaghost
I'm curious for you to do RAL and Wild Heart now!

Okay.....

The Wild Heart

(B+) Wild Heart
(C-) If Anyone Falls
(B) Gate and Garden
(A) Enchanted
(B+) Nightbird
(B) Stand Back
(C+) I Will Run to You
(A-) Nothing Ever Changes
(A-) Sable on Blond
(B+) Beauty and the Beast

GPA - 3.025


Rock A Little

(C) I Can't Wait
(C-) Rock a Little (Go Ahead Lily)
(D+) Sister Honey
(B) I Sing for the Things
(C+) Imperial Hotel
(C) Some Become Strangers
(B) Talk to Me
(F) The Nightmare
(C) If I Were You
(B-)No Spoken Word
(A) Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You

GPA - 2.25 Absolutely shocking for me considering how much I don't like this album.

amber 08-01-2005 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower

Rock A Little

(C) I Can't Wait
(C-) Rock a Little (Go Ahead Lily)
(D+) Sister Honey
(B) I Sing for the Things
(C+) Imperial Hotel
(C) Some Become Strangers
(B) Talk to Me
(F) The Nightmare
(C) If I Were You
(B-)No Spoken Word
(A) Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You

GPA - 2.25 Absolutely shocking for me considering how much I don't like this album.

I'm shocked, too, Towie. It's one of my faves. But! TISL is easily my least favorite Stevie album. Yes, even after SA... :shocked:
(A) I Can't Wait
(A-) Rock a Little (Go Ahead Lily)
(B+) Sister Honey
(A-) I Sing for the Things
(B+) Imperial Hotel
(B) Some Become Strangers
(B) Talk to Me
(C) The Nightmare
(C) If I Were You
(B)No Spoken Word
(C) Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You
GPA = 3 :D

golden braid 08-01-2005 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
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http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...turnedaway.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek:


No wonder she had to go away for a little while to remember how to feel.....

Getting back to this picture, I think Stevie actually looks good in it and I've seen other pictures from the inauguration where she didn't look good at all. I just love her smile in this pic. Lindsey looks good too.

ELIUD 08-01-2005 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tower
You have GOT to be kidding. That's the worst song on the album. The lyrics are atrocious...

Dear Tower,
Your reply to my post regarding "Listen to the Rain" deserves an 'F' and you are a Lame-o.

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