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Neb-Maat-Re 07-21-2005 11:51 PM

Lineups on new songs from The Chain set
 
Hi. Apologies if this has been covered before, but can someone tell me who actually played on the 4 new songs from The Chain set?

Johnny Stew 07-22-2005 01:05 AM

Welcome to the Ledge. :)

I believe the lineup for each is as follows....

"Paper Doll" (basic tracks recorded in 1988 -- originally intended for 'Greatest Hits,' but replaced by "No Questions Asked," which Mick preferred): Stevie, Christine, Mick, John, Billy & Rick, with Lindsey's vocals (and perhaps guitar, too) overdubbed onto the song in 1992.

"Heart Of Stone": Christine, Mick, John & Billy, with Stevie's overdubbed backing vocals.

"Love Shines": Christine, Mick, John & Billy.

"Make Me A Mask: Lindsey solo, recorded during the 'Out Of The Cradle' sessions.

Neb-Maat-Re 07-22-2005 01:10 AM

Thanks for the welcome.

And thanks for the quick response!

MirrorInTheSky 07-22-2005 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

"Paper Doll" (basic tracks recorded in 1988 -- originally intended for 'Greatest Hits,' but replaced by "No Questions Asked," which Mick preferred): Stevie, Christine, Mick, John, Billy & Rick, with Lindsey's vocals (and perhaps guitar, too) overdubbed onto the song in 1992.

*sigh* I'm so in the minority, but I truly love Paper Doll. A classic? No. A fun, upbeat song to sing along with in the car? Absolutely.

mylittledemon 07-22-2005 09:36 AM

What about Goodbye Angel? That wasnt a new song either, but I think it was the first time it was released. And of course Silver Springs was on there...and Teen Beat. As well as the extended-ending version of Gypsy....AND the marching band intro version of Tusk. There were a whole bunch of "new" gems on there.

mylittledemon 07-22-2005 09:40 AM

I always liked Love Shines and Heart of Stone. Especially the latter. It just sounds like a Christine-singing-about-John song.

chiliD 07-22-2005 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
What about Goodbye Angel? That wasnt a new song either, but I think it was the first time it was released. And of course Silver Springs was on there...and Teen Beat. As well as the extended-ending version of Gypsy....AND the marching band intro version of Tusk. There were a whole bunch of "new" gems on there.

There's a difference between "new" and "New". :)

"Paper Doll", "Love Shines", "Heart Of Stone", & "Make Me A Mask" were BRAND new...whereas "Goodbye Angel" & "Teen Beat" were "as is" included from the Mirage sessions. "Gypsy" was just the video's mix of the song. "Tusk" was just a remix from the master multi-track recording, as was "Isn't It Midnight". And, even a "lost gem" from the FG/BT era, "Trinity".

Despite all that, overall though, I thought the box set was poorly done.

chiliD 07-22-2005 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
"Paper Doll" (basic tracks recorded in 1988 -- originally intended for 'Greatest Hits,' but replaced by "No Questions Asked,"...

I definitely would've preferred "Paper Doll" to that atrocity called "No Questions Asked", no matter WHAT state of incompletion the recording was in.

jbrownsjr 07-22-2005 11:41 AM

a choice between Paper Doll and No Questions Asked

i would have thrown a guitar at Stevie after hearing those songs....

gldstwmn 07-22-2005 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
"Love Shines": Christine, Mick, John & Billy.

I love this song. :)

gldstwmn 07-22-2005 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
"Gypsy" was just the video's mix of the song.

It was also one of the single versions, wan't it? I remember hearing it on a jukebox.

HomerMcvie 07-22-2005 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
I love this song. :)

Me too! Love Shines is one of my all time favorites!

Neal 07-22-2005 01:11 PM

Why doens't anyone like 'No Questions Asked'??? I fell in love with that song at first listen... :shrug:

HomerMcvie 07-22-2005 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal
Why doens't anyone like 'No Questions Asked'??? I fell in love with that song at first listen... :shrug:

I'm sorry. Ewww. :lol:

JazmenFlowers 07-22-2005 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
I always liked Love Shines and Heart of Stone. Especially the latter. It just sounds like a Christine-singing-about-John song.

me too! I love Heart of Stone.

JazmenFlowers 07-22-2005 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal
Why doens't anyone like 'No Questions Asked'??? I fell in love with that song at first listen... :shrug:


I love No Questions Asked. To me, it's one of those ehh, not so serious, just fun song with cool beat - don't take it too seriously.

Johnny Stew 07-22-2005 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MirrorInTheSky
*sigh* I'm so in the minority, but I truly love Paper Doll. A classic? No. A fun, upbeat song to sing along with in the car? Absolutely.

We may be in the minority (which I've never really minded, quite frankly), but I love "Paper Doll," too. :nod:

Pittsburgh radio was playing it when it was released as a single (before the boxed-set came out), and I thought it was just great.
Still one of my favorites to this day.

Johnny Stew 07-22-2005 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
"Gypsy" was just the video's mix of the song.

Not quite the exact mix they used for the video, but it is closer to it than the album version.

There are five officially released versions of "Gypsy"... the album version, the 7" mix, the "unedited alternate version" from the boxed-set, the first video mix which MTV used to play and then the second video mix which we hear now instead (when MTV started playing the latter, around 1989, the chyron noted the album as "Mirage/CD" -- although it's not the CD version either, so go figure).

Johnny Stew 07-22-2005 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
I definitely would've preferred "Paper Doll" to that atrocity called "No Questions Asked", no matter WHAT state of incompletion the recording was in.

I love "No Questions Asked," so I don't mind either way... but I suspect the only reason Mick truly preferred "NQA" over "Paper Doll" was the fact that one of the "new boys" co-wrote the latter, and would have a songwriting credit and royalty from the 'Greatest Hits' album right out of the gate.

SteveMacD 07-22-2005 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
I love "No Questions Asked," so I don't mind either way... but I suspect the only reason Mick truly preferred "NQA" over "Paper Doll" was the fact that one of the "new boys" co-wrote the latter, and would have a songwriting credit and royalty from the 'Greatest Hits' album right out of the gate.

I think it has to do more with the fact that NQA is obviously about Lindsey.

"You spend lots of time alone/sometimes you spend years" (Who does THAT sound like?!?)

"Well I need you now. Well I'm broken hearted. I broke down like a little girl." (Which I took to be about the events of Aug. 7, 1987.)

Johnny Stew 07-22-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
I think it has to do more with the fact that NQA is obviously about Lindsey.

You think so?
I guess I've just always felt the "Stevie Nicks/Rick Vito/John Herron" writing credit on "Paper Doll" had more to do with that decision than anything else.

gldstwmn 07-22-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Not quite the exact mix they used for the video, but it is closer to it than the album version.

There are five officially released versions of "Gypsy"... the album version, the 7" mix, the "unedited alternate version" from the boxed-set, the first video mix which MTV used to play and then the second video mix which we hear now instead (when MTV started playing the latter, around 1989, the chyron noted the album as "Mirage/CD" -- although it's not the CD version either, so go figure).

Thanks Johnny. I thought I was having a Mirage. :p

gldstwmn 07-22-2005 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal
Why doens't anyone like 'No Questions Asked'??? I fell in love with that song at first listen... :shrug:

I do. There's actually a better mix than the one that's on Greatest Hits floating around out there too.

gldstwmn 07-22-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
You think so?
I guess I've just always felt the "Stevie Nicks/Rick Vito/John Herron" writing credit on "Paper Doll" had more to do with that decision than anything else.

Haha. :) I dont think NQA is about Lindsey either.

amber 07-22-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal
Why doens't anyone like 'No Questions Asked'??? I fell in love with that song at first listen... :shrug:

I love No Questions Asked too, and I love Heart of Stone, which is in my top 3 Chris songs.
Oh, and Welcome, new person! :wavey:

strandinthewind 07-22-2005 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
I do. There's actually a better mix than the one that's on Greatest Hits floating around out there too.


Yep - it starts out with her singing "No Questions Asked" at the beginning chord. I LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gldstwmn 07-22-2005 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Yep - it starts out with her singing "No Questions Asked" at the beginning chord. I LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoever left that part out on the official version should be slapped. :laugh:


P.S. I got my car back today. :blob2: :blob1: :]

strandinthewind 07-22-2005 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Whoever left that part out on the official version should be slapped. :laugh:


P.S. I got my car back today. :blob2: :blob1: :]

Ahhhhhh - just saw this - so ignore the Geo Metro ref. in the other thread :laugh:

ontheEdgeof17 07-22-2005 04:49 PM

Love Shines and Heart of Stone are my favs from the "new" songs. They should have been put on an album and become singles.

Neal 07-22-2005 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Yep - it starts out with her singing "No Questions Asked" at the beginning chord. I LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds awesome! Any idea where I can find it??? :woohoo:

Nicks Fan 07-26-2005 09:11 PM

I love No Questions Asked. Paper Doll is good too. To me neither song is really deep or emotional but they are alot of fun to listen and sing along to.

UndoingTheLaces 08-09-2005 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
"Well I need you now. Well I'm broken hearted. I broke down like a little girl." (Which I took to be about the events of Aug. 7, 1987.)

Actually, I always thought this was inspired by the Bob Dylan song "Just like a woman"

"She takes just like a woman, yes, she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes, she does
And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl."

UndoingTheLaces 08-09-2005 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
I do. There's actually a better mix than the one that's on Greatest Hits floating around out there too.

Does anyone know where to find this? I would love to have a copy of it. :)

ThePenguin 08-09-2005 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Love Shines and Heart of Stone are my favs from the "new" songs. They should have been put on an album and become singles.

Agreed. I think those songs could have been hits.

-Lis

macfan 57 08-09-2005 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePenguin
Agreed. I think those songs could have been hits.

-Lis

Patrick Leonard produced those songs too. I would have loved to have had an entire Fleetwood Mac album with Mick, John, Chris & Billy and produced by Mr. Leonard.

gldstwmn 08-09-2005 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces
Does anyone know where to find this? I would love to have a copy of it. :)

Here ya go:
http://rapidshare.de/files/3815635/2...ked_3.mp3.html

PenguinHead 08-09-2005 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
There's a difference between "new" and "New". :)

"Paper Doll", "Love Shines", "Heart Of Stone", & "Make Me A Mask" were BRAND new...whereas "Goodbye Angel" & "Teen Beat" were "as is" included from the Mirage sessions. "Gypsy" was just the video's mix of the song. "Tusk" was just a remix from the master multi-track recording, as was "Isn't It Midnight". And, even a "lost gem" from the FG/BT era, "Trinity".

Despite all that, overall though, I thought the box set was poorly done.

I agree with you. While I'm grateful for the new songs and rarites that were included, the box set could have been much better. As usual, I was slightly dissappointed that there weren't more rarities. And, while the cover image of of John's penguin tattoo was interesting, the lame quotes featured as graphic images on each CD case were a terrible and lazy choice.

This band has never been very literal (reference the vuluminous notes, observations and articles contained in other artists' reissues and compilations -- often written by the artists themselves.). As such, the book contains almost nothing to read and a seemingly random bunch of photos. Information is scant and sometimes inaccurate.

The project wasn't as inspired as it should have been. The songs appear as if they just hit the shuffle button to come up with a sequence. And there's just a passing nod to their blues and middle period eras. They should have made a distinction -- is this going to be a box set dedicated to the Rumours era band? Or, is it going to be a fair representation of their entire history? If so, the song selection should have been more balanced, even if that meant another cd or two.
And what the hell was Stand Back doing there?

UndoingTheLaces 08-10-2005 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Wow!!! Thank you so much. You guys are right, this is a really good mix of this song. I've loved this song since the original came out on the Greatest Hits. I really appreciate it. :)

So today she said "Well, I've changed my mind...
That's a woman's right they say"

Neb-Maat-Re 08-23-2005 06:21 PM

Thanks also for the alternate NQA.

Since I started the trhead, I guess I should weigh in that I prefer Paper Doll to NQA.

It's nice to hear Stevie sing an upbeat song - that isn't about someone coming in to a room.

Neb-Maat-Re 08-23-2005 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead
IThe project wasn't as inspired as it should have been. The songs appear as if they just hit the shuffle button to come up with a sequence. And there's just a passing nod to their blues and middle period eras. They should have made a distinction -- is this going to be a box set dedicated to the Rumours era band? Or, is it going to be a fair representation of their entire history? If so, the song selection should have been more balanced, even if that meant another cd or two.

I haven't been exposed to the whole box, just the 2 CD version. It seems from that there are glaring omissions from the 'passing nod' - namely Future Games and Bare Trees.

I'm not really familiar with those albums, but am I right that this was a period when the band was 'lead' by Danny? Is this the same on the full box - this period not represented? Is there a reason other than space for this omssion?

Edit: Put the '[/' before the 2nd QUOTE


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