Stevie and Lindsey's Big Fight
 

I found some quotes from Stevie about a fight between her and Lindsey. I think this was 87. If anyone has the audio to this, can you link it or post it because I can't seem to? This is pretty scary. Woah. I think if anyone thought she never regretted smiling at him..well. I know he kicked her on stage during one of the Tusk shows but is he a violent person? Is she? This blew me away. (Oh and if he had killed her, her family and the band would have to get in line behind me!)

Because of that guilt I have always had about not leaving Fleetwood Mac, flew off of the couch and across the room to seriously attack him. And I did. I mean, and I’m not real scary but I can be fairly ferocious. And I grabbed him, you know, which almost got me killed.

He ended up chasing me all the way out of Christine’s maze like house and down the street and then back up the street and then he threw me against the car and I screamed horrible obscenities at him and uh I thought he was going to kill me and I think he probably thought he was going to kill me, too. And um, I said to him “you know if the rest of the..if the rest of the people in the band don’t get you, my family will. My dad and my brother will kill you.”

Yes LB has some alleged concerns about respecting women. Don't know how true but the evidence did add up over the years....

Wow :shocked: :distress: :shocked: That is the first time I've ever seen that, where did you find it Sue?

Here's the audio via YouSendIt to those who haven't heard it:

Part 1.

Part 2.

Keep in mind, she stated these things during the Klonopin era, it was either 1994 or 1995.

I have no doubt the fight happened and I think it was pretty much as she described it. I also think that fight was the volcanoe erupting and both are pretty horrified by it now in hindsight. I am just glad they were able to work it out in the end.

lindsay is jealous because her solo career is still successful his dosen't exist!

LOL! :xoxo:

ROFCSGMHO

(OK, that's: rolling on floor clutching sides giggling my head off)
(Amazingly, some people still really don't even know who Fleetwood Mac is, let alone the ins and outs of Buck-Nicks dramas!) (I guess not everybody is a fanatic...) (clears throat) SO don't feel bad! It's kinda cute really....

Yeah, what he said. :nod:

- Jake

Yeah, this is when he told them he was skipping out on the Tango tour after all of the dates had been booked. Had they not gone out with Vito and Burnette, it probably would have cost the band a fortune. Mick was pretty much bankrupt around this time too, I think.
Lindsey had already agreed to go on the tour so she had good reason to be pissed at him. It had been building for a very long time though, I'm sure.

Thanks for posting the links to those. I wonder what her being on Klonopin at the time had anything to do with the fight or what she said, though. I don't think Stevie was so out of it that she made any of it up or embellished or whatever. jbrownsjr said there were alleged concerns about Lindsey respecting women and I'm really curious to know what those are, other than what I've already heard about the Tusk kick? No disrespect meant, but for those that think Stevie should be with Lindsey, ugh. I don't think so.

Standard SNL shipper response:

Yeah I've known about this incident for a while and it never surprised me. Was this the same time that Lindsey said "Keep that crazy bitch away from me!" or was that during Tusk?

*Sue I have something very important to tell you!

Hmm. I guess my response would be "if beating somebody up is love, that's really messed up."

According to Mick's book it was. The book says that Lindsey called Stevie "a schizophrenic bitch", or something along those lines.

My curiosity is killing me. You said women, but do you mean other alleged things like this with Stevie? Or other women?

I'm not trying to find any justification for what Lindsey apparently did (since I do believe that Stevie was telling the truth in that interview). However, Stevie definitely had no right to attack Lindsey either. And who knows if she's left out something from the story.
Lindsey has a violent side to his personality, and I think that's something that some of his music reflects too. At that point he was in a bad place emotionally, he may have acted on an impulse (and who hasn't done something extreme in a flash, only to regret it later), but it still doesn't give any real justification to what he did.

Carol Ann Harris went on the old Geraldo Rivera daytime tv show and said that Lindsey hit her or abused her or some such thing.

Abuse is a funny thing (well, strange funny): sometimes it can be a once off event, sometimes it becomes a habitual response to any situation.
With two women having mentioned Lindsey's violent behaviour it wouldn't surprise me if it's the latter, rather than him reacting to Stevie - although she could certainly have provoked him into certain irrational responses. It also doesn't mean that he's that way within his present family - his wife may just know how not to push his buttons, instead of what may have happened with both Stevie and Carol Ann (both presumably passionate and erratic people, by all aco****s).

My gut feeling is that there were a lot more physical altercations between the two of them. I remember one time Stevie was talking about attending the 'Purple Rain' premiere and she said she had to get up and leave when she saw Prince slap Apolonia whats-her-name in the movie. That was before the Tango fight on the car.

Then there was Lindsey's next girlfriend who came out on Geraldo or whichever Donahue clone show was big at the time and said he smacked her around as well. He allegedly yelled at her "you are all the same".

Plus 'Wild Heart' has always seemed to me like an anthem for battered women. So much blame, danger...and fighting. I love it though.

Yes. I believe that Mick also talked about this in his book. As I recall, LB was pretty pissed that he wrote what he did in his book.

As I recall, SN was yelling to LB, "How dare you do this to me" (blah, blah, blah) and was basically berating him. LB slapped SN and that is when she was "thrown" onto the car and he yelled, "Keep that schizophrenic bitch away from me!".

I think there was an article about this around the time SYW was released.

Well, iff we can trust him, in Mick's account of the incident he says that Lindsey had done it before, if I remember.

- Jake

Agreed. But for what it's worth, Stevie sounds like she takes responsibility for her part in the escalation in this interview.

- Jake

I agree. And that's the reason why I have a great admiration for him as an artist but there's a shadow about my idea of him as a man. I'm not saying he isn't changed, I don't know him. But what he did crossed a very clear line in my mind.

Romy

Romy, when are you coming by to watch H & M? (Re:sig quotes :blob2: )

- Jake

Jake, as soon as my great plan to finally discover America would find solid economic bases. :D

Romy

I'll keep you in mind when I start playing the Lotto again. :woohoo: ;)

- Jake

And people say there aren't gentlemen anymore. :cool: ;)

Romy

Yeah, the people who have met me. :cool: ;)

- Jake

I think the altercation in August 1987 between the two of them was definitely very physically violent, but I don't think we know for certain whether the incident in New Zealand onstage in 1980 was the same sort of physical thing.

I think the word "kick" is loaded; it gives people a very definite impression of what might have happened. Mick does use the word "kick" in his book, but Mick & Stephen Davis often use colorful, loaded language whose accuracy we can't really gauge (Mick will write, "I screamed at Dennis" or "I howled at John" or So-and-So "screamed for mercy" or talk about dozens of "all-night fights with Sara").

However, here's what the book actually said: "He started to kick Stevie while she was trying to salvage the number. Sixty thousand people were watching! Lindsey would flick his foot at her & Stevie would shy away, trying to cover up his stoned-out behavior to save us all from dying of embarrassment."

In fact, later on TV on the Graham Nash show, Mick re-emphasized the use of the word "flick" rather than "kick." So, just based on Mick's book, it seems a little obtuse to paint the image that he hauled back & walloped her with his shoe, like kicking a soccer ball. Also, according to the book, Christine gets backstage & yells at Lindsey: "Don't you ever do this to this band again." If Lindsey had actually kicked Stevie like a soccer ball, don't you think Chris would have put Stevie's welfare above that of the band's? She didn't say: "Don't you ever hurt Stevie again." Finally, Mick says he went on the radio to talk about the band & the show immediately after, but he says that the call-in audience either didn't notice the incident or thought his behavior was an "act" or a "joke." If Stevie had been kicked in the sense that we usually think of "to kick," the audience would have certainly been alarmed.

That's my perspective & I'm kickin' to it . . . er, stickin' to it.

They were two very emotional and passionate people working in an incredibly volitile environment. They pressed each others buttons to the max. I've no doubt they've both abused each other mentally. Do I think Lindsey had any intention of hurting her physically? No. Do I suspect it may have happen? Sure, but I wasn't there so your guess is as good as mine. He borderlined obsession with her for years, IMO and she him because they never had a clear ending. Love can be a savior and love can be a monster -- I think their love for each other took on multiple rolls and caused the blowup. However, I doubt this was the only "big fight" but it's the only one you hear of, courtesy of Mick (whom I think had his own coked out spin on it).

:nod: Agreed. ...And Miss Nicks can instigate someone over the edge, I'm sure.

There's also the incident of Lindsey throwing a Les Paul guitar at Stevie (at some point).

She mentioned it in one of the SYW interviews, about how they could now laugh about all those crazy fights.

But still...

That's awesome! If the Fleetwood Mac story were a movie like Gone With the Wind, this would be akin to scenes like Scarlett falling down the stairs, or getting attacked at the shantytown. I love it.

One thing written about the fight in Mick's book is apparently not true, though. Lindsey speaking to BAM magazine:
But other than that, I thing we can let our imagination run wild about that night. John McVie corroberates the fierceness of the fight in the interview that mentions the fight.

Maybe there was not slapping, but I'd still like to get some popcorn and see video of that fight!

Could anyone show me in this quote from Stevie where she says Lindsey hurt her? You all want to discuss what a violent person he is but where are the posts about Stevie's apparent violent streak?. She not only started this altercation, she seems to be the only one who committed any real violence according to her own words. This is what she said, again, incase you didn't read it the first time.

No excusing a guy throwing a girl onto a car, but she never says she got hurt. She says she thought he would kill her. She attacked him and it almost got her killed? How? He chased her around? If she was all over him as ferociously as she says, where was everyone else and why wasn't anyone putting a stop to what she was doing before this got out of hand? If somebody flew off a couch and attacked my son, I would expect him to use the least amount of force necessary to get himself out of that situation. Maybe Lindsey should never have gone there that day to talk about the final agreement on the tour? He had not yet signed anything agreeing to anything, becasue if he had he would have been sued for sure. He did the album because Mick was bankrupt and needed the money. Mick thanked him by not only trying to force him into a tour he said from the beginning he didn't want to do, he also slanted the story of this altercation after the fact. I believe Stevie's account more than I do Mick's. The true facts are that Mick and Chris knew from the beginning of the album that Lindsey wasn't going on the tour. Did anyone bother telling Stevie before she got out of rehab and joined the band in the studio?

There is so much more to this story than anyone will ever know, but to keep reading fans hash over the same slanted crap is getting nauseating. Does anyone really believe this altercation was because Lindsey wanted to ruin the tour and waited until the last minute to say, "hey, I quit, and can I kill Stevie for fun on my way out?" The more likely scenerio according to what was happening at the time is that Mick went against Lindsey's original wishes not to tour and put the screws to him to do it at the 11th hour. He likely never told Stevie Lindsey was leaving the band. After working so hard at going to rehab his leaving was probably a shock to her and she reacted badly. I think she knows this because as soon as it was over and he left, she called him and asked him if he wanted her to quit too. She asked if he wanted to do Buckingham Nicks again. Why would she do that if he was so violent to her? Wasn't she afraid he would kill her if he ever got her alone without the others in the band? She was taking a big chance asking him those questions.

I remember reading in early '87 Lindsey was not planning to tour. He agreed to make the album. Why did he change his mind and then change it back? Stevie probably knows why. That's probably what is at the heart of the altercation that took place. She obviously didn't want him to quit and her reaction to the news was out of line, no matter how long she felt she was loyal to the band after she went solo. She had no right to do what she did, as well as for him to do what he did. If they have forgiven each other for what happened, why are fans always rehashing this? :shrug: Just curious.

My opinion isn't objective because honestly I can't stand Lindsey. There, I said it. :sorry: His guitar playing is great and FM wouldn't be the same without him, but otherwise, he's a jerk IMO.

As for the violence, I believe it happened. I also believe Stevie probably contributed to it. But who wouldn't? I'd never take that s**t from him. I'd have heaved a paperweight in his direction and kneed him where it hurts. My husband and I get along well, but there is no way I'd ever take any crap from him. Stevie shouldn't have taken any from Lindsey either.

(Of course this is coming from someone who has a really nasty temper when my buttons are pushed. :D)

But he should have from her? She admitted she was the one that started it by flying off the couch at him...seems to me he was reacting to what she did. Neither one of them should have gotten physical with the other, and her starting it doesn't excuse him from what he did...but him changing his mind about something doesn't excuse her, either, IMO, no matter how much it may have hurt her emotionally. :)

I agree. She never should have taken any crap from him. Why do you think she called him when it was over? If he's so insufferable and such a jerk, why did she call him and ask if he wanted her to quit the band too? Why do you think she asked him about going back to what they started? She asked him if he wanted to do Buckingham Nicks again. Why would she call and ask him that? He was so horrible to her, right? She should have been afraid to work with him under any conditions let alone without the rest of the band there to protect her. Sounds strange to my ears. Maybe Stevie just likes to be mistreated? Perhaps he isn't the brute she tends to portray when she's upset with him?

:shrug:

Rampant drug use by all parties certainly doesn't help, either.

Yup. He did.