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darklinensuit 07-19-2005 02:22 AM

Favorite Shows That Pushed The Envelope
 
What are some of your most beloved TV shows that hit the social taboos hard?

Some of mine include:
All In The Family
Roseanne
To a lesser extent, Murphy Brown

I have never seen Nip/Tuck.
I've seen a few episodes of Sex And The City & didn't really care for it. The brunette was the only one I liked (though I liked SJP in LA Story).
I know Maude will be a popular choice on this board, but I've seen only a couple of episodes.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 02:24 AM

I'll add that I recently rented all 7 episodes of Fat Actress. I liked all the episodes except for #s 5 and 6, which were terrible.
It's way too soon for me to say it's a favorite.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux
Fawlty Towers, of course, Kraut's and all.

I've never seen a whole episode. I think they air it here on PBS on Saturdays.


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Originally Posted by Lux
How about "favourite reasons to start a thread"?

How about explaining that one? :shrug:

- Jake

diamondsnake 07-19-2005 02:45 AM

The Jeffersons I love!
Three's Company (for it's time it was risque, right?)
Queer As Folk is pretty cool
Sex and the City is great!
Desperate Housewives
I Love Lucy (my favorite show of all time. I can include it in this list because Lucy was pregnant and that was considered pushing the envelope back then)

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
The Jeffersons I love!
Three's Company (for it's time it was risque, right?)
Queer As Folk is pretty cool
Sex and the City is great!
Desperate Housewives
I Love Lucy (my favorite show of all time. I can include it in this list because Lucy was pregnant and that was considered pushing the envelope back then)

I almost listed The Jeffersons but didn't think it really fit. But you're right, the whole mixed marriage thing was definitely pushing the envelope at the time.

If I remember, Carol Brady was the first character to say the word pregnant on the air, & she & Mike were the first to share a bed. Lucy & Ricky had two beds pushed together for awhile, I know.

- Jake

diamondsnake 07-19-2005 02:56 AM

Carol and Mike's inuendo was really pushing the envelope back then, now that you mention it.

And back in the 50's, did couples really sleep in seperate beds? That seems crazy!

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
Carol and Mike's inuendo was really pushing the envelope back then, now that you mention it.

And back in the 50's, did couples really sleep in seperate beds? That seems crazy!

That and not being allowed to say pregnant.
I heard these Brady first in an interview with Florence Henderson years ago, so who knows how reliable her claims are.

- Jake

Mari 07-19-2005 03:16 AM

The L-Word!
Grace Under Fire, would that one count?
and there's others, on the tip of my tongue, so I'll have to add them later when the caffeine kicks in.

DownOnRodeo 07-19-2005 04:52 AM

Seinfeld! And of course Curb Your Enthusiasm. They expose the taboos and unwritten etiquette of our daily lives and make a mockery of it all!

Wild_Heart03 07-19-2005 05:10 AM

Most definitely 'Roseanne', that show really aimed to test the limits of network television. And 'Will and Grace', that should count right? Back in the early 90s, I think NBC would have preferred to die then show a sitcom with openly gay characters.

catinthedark 07-19-2005 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison
I think Buffy had the first on-screen kiss between a lesbian couple on network TV. It was also the first to show a lesbian sex scene (I'm not sure if it's really a 'sex' scene, though) on network TV.

Didn't Roseanne do one really early on, too? I seem to remember a big hype around it, and some ABC affiliates refused to air the episode. It turned out to be a really big nothing moment. ER also did one fairly early on - back when ER was groundbreaking... I never saw Buffy, though, so I have no time reference of when it was on in relation to Roseanne and ER.. Could have been years before and I'd never have known it. :)

all the same 07-19-2005 11:01 AM

Northern Exposure (at the time, it was pretty ground breaking and envelope pushing)

Six Feet Undahhhhh

Curb Your Enthusiasm (everything Larry does pushes the envelope)

Home Movies (an alcoholic soccer coach? come on now! hilarious!)

Strangers With Candy (a 46 year old highshool drop out and former prostitute and junkie returns to high school to start over again!)

South Park (don't even need to comment)

Chapelle's Show (the African American KKK leader!)

Queer as Folk (British Series - WAY better writing and far superior characters)

Arrested Development (everything about this show pushes the envelope!)

chiliD 07-19-2005 11:04 AM

The Milton Berle Show
The Tonight Show
I Love Lucy
The Prisoner
All In The Family
ER (the "live" episode)
Saturday Night Live
Twin Peaks
The Simpsons
South Park
Reno 911

DrummerDeanna 07-19-2005 11:05 AM

OMG - Strangers with Candy was F***ing hilarious!!!

Roseanne
I Love Lucy
Maude
L Word
My So-Called Life

GardenStateGirlie 07-19-2005 11:08 AM

I can't think of many more other than what was already mentioned. However, I'll add Married With Children and The Sopranos to the list.

all the same 07-19-2005 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
OMG - Strangers with Candy was F***ing hilarious!!!

Roseanne
I Love Lucy
Maude
L Word
My So-Called Life

Sigh... My So-Called Life. I think that is my all time favorite show. The writing in that show, the characters are so complex and unique. Each character is different in their thinking and approach to life. I have it on DVD. Perhaps it's time to drag it off the shelf for the 20th time! Swoon.

Yeah, and Roseanne is a great show too. I think it's coming out on DVD soon.

all the same 07-19-2005 11:14 AM

Golden Girls tackled some issues on their show. Remember Dorothy's lesbian friend who came to stay with them. She fell in love with Rose. For the time, that was really ground breaking material. It's tame by today's standards, but that was some risky stuff for a popular sitcom to address.

wondergirl9847 07-19-2005 11:16 AM

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Chilid mentioned mine...Twin Peaks. The character that the series was based on, Laura Palmer, was murdered by her father who was possessed by the demon(?), BOB. Well, there are a trazillion interpretations of BOB and her father, Leland. Also, she was pretty whore-y because of it, and worked as a prostitute in Canada. Her father molested her, it's just crazy. There is more craziness, but yeah, TP pushed the envelope.

DrummerDeanna 07-19-2005 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by all the same
Sigh... My So-Called Life. I think that is my all time favorite show. The writing in that show, the characters are so complex and unique. Each character is different in their thinking and approach to life. I have it on DVD. Perhaps it's time to drag it off the shelf for the 20th time! Swoon.

I finally went to buy it - and it's out of print now - therefore insanely expensive everywhere I've found it (on-line) ugh SO frustrating :mad:

I LOVED that show so much...that Christmas episode with Julianna Hatfield? Oh - so heart wrenching...

ReFleetwoodMac 07-19-2005 12:03 PM

Family Guy?

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mari
The L-Word!
Grace Under Fire, would that one count?
and there's others, on the tip of my tongue, so I'll have to add them later when the caffeine kicks in.

I had never heard of the show the L-Word. I honestly thought you meant Liberal. :laugh:

I didn't watch Grace Under Fire; how did it push the envelope?

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo
Seinfeld! And of course Curb Your Enthusiasm. They expose the taboos and unwritten etiquette of our daily lives and make a mockery of it all!

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :shrug:

- Jake

chiliD 07-19-2005 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by all the same
Sigh... My So-Called Life.

Yeah!! I kept thinking before I posted that there was one other one that I couldn't think of...this was IT! :thumbsup:

I missed it when it was on network TV in the 90's, but caught up with the whole series when it was on the "N" channel last year.

Isn't about time for a "reunion show" or something? :nod:

BTW...anyone catch the series on the Trio channel called Brilliant, But Cancelled? They show TV series that were way ahead of their time and were canceled after just a few episodes or in some cases one season.

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild_Heart03
Most definitely 'Roseanne', that show really aimed to test the limits of network television. And 'Will and Grace', that should count right? Back in the early 90s, I think NBC would have preferred to die then show a sitcom with openly gay characters.

Roseanne had so many: gays, farting in public, parental abuse all come to mind.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison
I think Buffy had the first on-screen kiss between a lesbian couple on network TV. It was also the first to show a lesbian sex scene (I'm not sure if it's really a 'sex' scene, though) on network TV.

No wonder I've had several students who love this show. I always wondered.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark
Didn't Roseanne do one really early on, too? I seem to remember a big hype around it, and some ABC affiliates refused to air the episode. It turned out to be a really big nothing moment. ER also did one fairly early on - back when ER was groundbreaking... I never saw Buffy, though, so I have no time reference of when it was on in relation to Roseanne and ER.. Could have been years before and I'd never have known it. :)

If I remember the Roseanne one, you just saw the back of Mariel Heminway's head, not the real kiss, and there was controversy about it.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by all the same

South Park (don't even need to comment)

Sweet! ;)
That Steviegoat is a major issue in our society. :nod: ;)

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD
The Milton Berle Show
The Tonight Show
I Love Lucy
The Prisoner
All In The Family
ER (the "live" episode)
Saturday Night Live
Twin Peaks
The Simpsons
South Park
Reno 911

Don't think I've heard of The Prisoner.

I do remember when Gloria's rape, Edith's attempted rape, & Maude's abortion were all the talk.

The Simpsons is a great choice as well.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
OMG - Strangers with Candy was F***ing hilarious!!!
L Word
My So-Called Life

Never saw these three.
(What, no Little House? Are you forgetting that one where Mrs. Olsen was turning tricks for opium? :shrug: ;) )

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie
I can't think of many more other than what was already mentioned. However, I'll add Married With Children and The Sopranos to the list.

Okay, Peg. :cool:
(Another reason I hated the early '90s.)

Still haven't seen The Sopranos.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by all the same
Sigh... My So-Called Life. I think that is my all time favorite show. The writing in that show, the characters are so complex and unique. Each character is different in their thinking and approach to life. I have it on DVD. Perhaps it's time to drag it off the shelf for the 20th time! Swoon.

Yeah, and Roseanne is a great show too. I think it's coming out on DVD soon.

I'm surprised to hear that Roseanne isn't out on DVD yet. It was such a big show, & so many lesser ones have been out awhile. I would guess the delay has something to do with syndication, but Seinfeld is a newer show & is out.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by all the same
Golden Girls tackled some issues on their show. Remember Dorothy's lesbian friend who came to stay with them. She fell in love with Rose. For the time, that was really ground breaking material. It's tame by today's standards, but that was some risky stuff for a popular sitcom to address.

Rose was Betty White, right?
I just remember all the publicity that the show got for implying that single old ladies on TV could have sex & not be slutty (other than the Rue character).

- Jake

chiliD 07-19-2005 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
Don't think I've heard of The Prisoner.

The Prisoner...info

Mari 07-19-2005 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
I had never heard of the show the L-Word. I honestly thought you meant Liberal. :laugh:

I didn't watch Grace Under Fire; how did it push the envelope?

- Jake

lol! The L-word is a lesbian Sex In The City, or so they call it (I hardly ever watched SITC so I couldn't say).
It's very addictive, like a soap opera:D

Grace Under Fire: about a divorced from abusive man ex-alcoholic mum with two kids, and that in comedy form. Pretty black humor, I think, that's why I loved it.

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
Chilid mentioned mine...Twin Peaks. The character that the series was based on, Laura Palmer, was murdered by her father who was possessed by the demon(?), BOB. Well, there are a trazillion interpretations of BOB and her father, Leland. Also, she was pretty whore-y because of it, and worked as a prostitute in Canada. Her father molested her, it's just crazy. There is more craziness, but yeah, TP pushed the envelope.

That show was a big deal & then just fell off suddenly when they revealed the mystery.
I remember Lara Flynn Boyle being on the show, and at the time her skull was under her skin.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac
Family Guy?

There is actually a Family Guy Club at my school. :shocked:
I just learned that Alex Boorstein (Miss Swan) is the wife.

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie 07-19-2005 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
Okay, Peg. :cool:
(Another reason I hated the early '90s.)

Still haven't seen The Sopranos.

- Jake

Okay, Buck :cool:

The Sopranos was much better its first few seasons. I haven't seen the last two seasons that have been on. The acting is superb though.

darklinensuit 07-19-2005 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

BTW...anyone catch the series on the Trio channel called Brilliant, But Cancelled? They show TV series that were way ahead of their time and were canceled after just a few episodes or in some cases one season.

I would love this.
What did they have that we haven't included yet?

- Jake

DrummerDeanna 07-19-2005 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
Never saw these three.
(What, no Little House? Are you forgetting that one where Mrs. Olsen was turning tricks for opium? :shrug: ;) )

- Jake


:laugh: and *shudder* at the thought of Mrs. Olsen turning tricks for anything.

Now Little House did tackle issues such as blindness, alcoholism, death, bear-maulings, marriage issues and drug addiction!!!

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L-Word is billed as a lesbian Sex and the City - but it's not. It's quite different if you ask me.

I like both - the L Word, as Mari pointed out, is more soap-opera-esque. And the L-Word is great because the "L-word" isn't neccessarily "lesbian" The old intro (Season one) had all these "L-words": laugh, love, longing, liberal etc...

DrummerDeanna 07-19-2005 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
Rose was Betty White, right?
I just remember all the publicity that the show got for implying that single old ladies on TV could have sex & not be slutty (other than the Rue character).

- Jake


:laugh: Yeah - and there's a hilarious scene in one of the shows where the three women buy condoms...it's HILARIOUS!!!!


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