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David 06-26-2005 03:29 PM

Did Stevie give herself credit for playing on 'Bella Donna'?
 
She plays tack piano on "Outside the Rain" -- did she give herself credit on the sleeve?

She might be playing on each one of her solo albums, but I don't think she gives herself a credit line on anything but TISL, right?

Nixxxed 06-26-2005 03:35 PM

On TOSOTM, she is credited on several tracks for playing percussion and tambourine.

Or were you only wondering about piano credits?

Hippocampus 06-26-2005 04:21 PM

She is also credited for playing the synthesizer on "The Nightmare" (along with Charles Judge and Rick Nowels).

And of course, the rhythm guitar and harmonica on "Free Fallin'", if Enchanted counts as an album :)

SapphireSister 06-27-2005 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by David
She plays tack piano on "Outside the Rain" -- did she give herself credit on the sleeve?

She might be playing on each one of her solo albums, but I don't think she gives herself a credit line on anything but TISL, right?

What did she play on TISL and what is "tack" piano?

ELIUD 06-27-2005 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hippocampus
...And of course, the rhythm guitar and harmonica on "Free Fallin'", if Enchanted counts as an album :)

I had no idea she played an instrument on that song, much less the harmonica.

David 06-27-2005 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister
What did she play on TISL and what is "tack" piano?

She plays the electric piano chord changes on "Love Changes" -- she hits the chord, holds it throughout the measure, & then hits the other chord. The two chords alternate throughout the verses. That's Stevie playing that! Isn't it cool?

Sounds as if she's playing an octave above middle C: a C triad in the right hand, 2nd inversion, with a single A in the bass, & then modulated to an F triad, root, in the right hand with a single F in the bass. Just back & forth & back & forth throughout all the verses, & then on to the chord progression in the chorus & the bridge.

Tack piano is an acoustic piano whose strings have been tampered with in some way. It used to be called a "prepared piano": on a grand where the strings lie horizontally, you can stick bits of business (wood, metal, even pieces of paper) in between the plate/soundboard & the strings & get a honkytonk, barrelhouse sound out of your piano. If you listen to the piano on "Outside the Rain," you'll hear that seedy barrelhouse sound on the blocky chords she plays. She uses the tack effect a lot: on a bunch of Gypsy demos where she's playing acoustic piano, for example. At piano camp, we used to stick our songbooks between the frame & the strings & then play Chopin preludes. It was irreverant, but it was fun experimenting with the different weights & types of tamper material, & how that affected the sound. Piano strings are made out of very tough steel, so you can tamper all you want with them, short of blowtorching them.

Christine used to use this effect, too, although in her case a mechanism was built into the piano to create it. You can hear it on "Not That Funny" & "Sara."

SapphireSister 06-27-2005 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by David
She plays the electric piano chord changes on "Love Changes" -- she hits the chord, holds it throughout the measure, & then hits the other chord. The two chords alternate throughout the verses. That's Stevie playing that! Isn't it cool?

Sounds as if she's playing an octave above middle C: a C triad in the right hand, 2nd inversion, with a single A in the bass, & then modulated to an F triad, root, in the right hand with a single F in the bass. Just back & forth & back & forth throughout all the verses, & then on to the chord progression in the chorus & the bridge.

Tack piano is an acoustic piano whose strings have been tampered with in some way. It used to be called a "prepared piano": on a grand where the strings lie horizontally, you can stick bits of business (wood, metal, even pieces of paper) in between the plate/soundboard & the strings & get a honkytonk, barrelhouse sound out of your piano. If you listen to the piano on "Outside the Rain," you'll hear that seedy barrelhouse sound on the blocky chords she plays. She uses the tack effect a lot: on a bunch of Gypsy demos where she's playing acoustic piano, for example. At piano camp, we used to stick our songbooks between the frame & the strings & then play Chopin preludes. It was irreverant, but it was fun experimenting with the different weights & types of tamper material, & how that affected the sound. Piano strings are made out of very tough steel, so you can tamper all you want with them, short of blowtorching them.

Christine used to use this effect, too, although in her case a mechanism was built into the piano to create it. You can hear it on "Not That Funny" & "Sara."

Wow thanks for all that David. I had no clue about Love Changes. I need to go back and listen now. Only I didn't understand some of the technical stuff you were talking about. What words is she playing over in the song?
Pretty cool about the tack piano. You are so lucky you play piano. If I could play one instrument it would be piano. I took lessons as a kid but never stuck to it. Sure wish I had :(

Livia 06-27-2005 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by David
At piano camp, we used to stick our songbooks between the frame & the strings & then play Chopin preludes.

This one time...at piano camp....


























:sorry: I couldn't resist. :xoxo:

strandinthewind 06-27-2005 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David
. . . At piano camp, we used to stick our songbooks between the frame & the strings & then play Chopin preludes. It was irreverant,. . . .

THUD - you may burn on Hell for that :laugh: :laugh:

My teacher used to scream - USE THE PEDALS :laugh: Then again, I grew up with and laerned on a piano with 97 as opposed to 88 keys and I would infuriate the teacher by playing in the extra keys in which almost no music is actually written -- ah good times. Of course, if I had paid more attention, I probably could actually play the piano these days instead of tinkering around on it :laugh:

LeighB04 06-27-2005 05:20 PM

Ummm.. scuse me, but how do we know Stevie actually played on those recordings (like Love Changes) and it wasn't another musician that was credited?

Johnny Stew 06-27-2005 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LeighB04
Ummm.. scuse me, but how do we know Stevie actually played on those recordings (like Love Changes) and it wasn't another musician that was credited?

She's credited for keyboards on "Love Changes," so she's definitely playing something.

chiliD 06-27-2005 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David
She plays the electric piano chord changes on "Love Changes" -- she hits the chord, holds it throughout the measure, & then hits the other chord. The two chords alternate throughout the verses. That's Stevie playing that! Isn't it cool?

Sounds as if she's playing an octave above middle C: a C triad in the right hand, 2nd inversion, with a single A in the bass, & then modulated to an F triad, root, in the right hand with a single F in the bass. Just back & forth & back & forth throughout all the verses, & then on to the chord progression in the chorus & the bridge.

Tack piano is an acoustic piano whose strings have been tampered with in some way. It used to be called a "prepared piano": on a grand where the strings lie horizontally, you can stick bits of business (wood, metal, even pieces of paper) in between the plate/soundboard & the strings & get a honkytonk, barrelhouse sound out of your piano. If you listen to the piano on "Outside the Rain," you'll hear that seedy barrelhouse sound on the blocky chords she plays. She uses the tack effect a lot: on a bunch of Gypsy demos where she's playing acoustic piano, for example. At piano camp, we used to stick our songbooks between the frame & the strings & then play Chopin preludes. It was irreverant, but it was fun experimenting with the different weights & types of tamper material, & how that affected the sound. Piano strings are made out of very tough steel, so you can tamper all you want with them, short of blowtorching them.

Christine used to use this effect, too, although in her case a mechanism was built into the piano to create it. You can hear it on "Not That Funny" & "Sara."

The short version:

Tack Piano = Thumbtacks are stuck on the ends of the hammers that strike the strings giving the piano a metallic tone...ie, a pizza parlor honky-tonk piano sound. That same sound can be gained nowadays with EQ tampering.

Johnny Stew 06-27-2005 07:17 PM

Ok, here's what we know for sure (per album liner notes and interviews) regarding what Stevie has played on various albums.

Piano on "Sara" and "Rhiannon" ('Enchanted' version)
Synthesizer on "The Nightmare"
Percussion on "Rooms On Fire," "Whole Lotta Trouble," "Twisted" ('Enchanted' demo version) and "Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town" (from Chris Isaak's 'Christmas')
Tambourine (I know, I know -- but it's credited) on "Long Way To Go," "Ooh My Love," "Ghosts," "Fire Burning," "Juliet" and "Too Far From Texas"
Rhythm Guitar & Harmonica on "Free Fallin'"
Guitar on "Twisted" ('Enchanted' demo version)
Synth Guitar & Synth Strings on "Sweet Girl" ('Enchanted' demo version)
Keyboards on "Planets Of The Universe," "Love Changes," "Bombay Sapphires," "Running Through The Garden" and "Silver Girl"

SapphireSister 06-27-2005 09:18 PM

Has Stevie ever played the piano live on stage during a performance?

Nixxxed 06-27-2005 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister
Has Stevie ever played the piano live on stage during a performance?

Yes, during her Storytellers episode. She played the Enchanted piano version of Rhiannon, and teased the audience with a short snippet of Sara. I've never heard of her playing anything on tour (except tambourine, of course :D ).

strandinthewind 06-27-2005 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed
Yes, during her Storytellers episode. She played the Enchanted piano version of Rhiannon, and teased the audience with a short snippet of Sara. I've never heard of her playing anything on tour (except tambourine, of course :D ).

Well, she used to play a bunch of other hand held percussion, esp. during the 70's and early 80's. She also played guitar onstage with, I believe, Fritz and there is a pic. of it somewhere :cool:

SapphireSister 06-27-2005 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed
Yes, during her Storytellers episode. She played the Enchanted piano version of Rhiannon, and teased the audience with a short snippet of Sara. I've never heard of her playing anything on tour (except tambourine, of course :D ).

Really? She plays piano on Storytellers? I watched it when it first came out but I don't remember that part and probably didn't notice since I wasn't a huge fan back then but I got the video a few months ago and now I'm definitely going go watch it! Was it great to see her playing?

Nixxxed 06-27-2005 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister
Really? She plays piano on Storytellers? I watched it when it first came out but I don't remember that part and probably didn't notice since I wasn't a huge fan back then but I got the video a few months ago and now I'm definitely going go watch it! Was it great to see her playing?

YES! It was the highlight of the show for me (the playing, but not the song, if that makes any sense).

There are also clips of her playing piano in the Tusk documentary (the Sisters of the Moon demo and something else, if I'm remembering correctly). And also a few other news show/interview clips where she plays Dreams on piano. Sorry, can't remember exactly which ones...

SapphireSister 06-27-2005 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed
YES! It was the highlight of the show for me (the playing, but not the song, if that makes any sense).

There are also clips of her playing piano in the Tusk documentary (the Sisters of the Moon demo and something else, if I'm remembering correctly). And also a few other news show/interview clips where she plays Dreams on piano. Sorry, can't remember exactly which ones...

Fabulous! Can't wait to watch it now. Thanks :)

David 06-27-2005 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Ok, here's what we know for sure (per album liner notes and interviews) regarding what Stevie has played on various albums.

Synthesizer on "The Nightmare"
Keyboards on "Planets Of The Universe," "Love Changes," "Bombay Sapphires," "Running Through The Garden" and "Silver Girl"

I can't pick out which keyboards are hers on anything except "Love Changes," & I sure as hell can't hear what she's playing on "The Nightmare."

But again, she's also playing acoustic piano on "Outside the Rain" with the Heartbreakers.

David 06-27-2005 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed
There are also clips of her playing piano in the Tusk documentary (the Sisters of the Moon demo and something else, if I'm remembering correctly).

Yeah she plays a little bit of "Sisters of the Moon" on the 20/20 profile of Fleetwood mac from 1980.

David 06-27-2005 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister
Has Stevie ever played the piano live on stage during a performance?

at some of the Wild Heart shows, she walked over to Roy's Fender Rhodes & played "Rhiannon" right after Roy had finished playing the acoustic piano introduction. This happened at a bunch of shows Sept/Oct/Nov, & you can still hear it on many audience tapes.

I think that's the only time I ever saw or heard her play a keyboard or piano in a full-on concert environment.

welcomechris 04-30-2014 05:27 PM

What does Stevie Play on Say You Will?

She Is Credited For Keyboards

michelej1 04-30-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by welcomechris (Post 1128041)
What does Stevie Play on Say You Will?

She Is Credited For Keyboards

I don't know. But she said she, Lindsey and John played keyboards and admitted that they weren't very good.

The SYW credits are awful. It's like they said, "It's none of your business who is on this album."

I have always resented not knowing exactly what Christine did on SYW. In fact I should have asked her what she did for her Q & A, but she probably has no idea anyway. I'm sure she doesn't now any of the SYW songs. Michele


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