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upontheventura 06-19-2005 02:30 PM

Stevie Nicks Ohio State Fair 1994
 
Anybody have this boot? I have heard it is a fantastic show and that Stevie is in rare form. Despite the album she was touring for, and her supposed state at the time, her voice is pretty damn good in the boots that I own. I found 87-91 to be Stevie's vocal low point. I don't know what happened to her voice during those years. I hope I am not being offensive, but I can't even listen to the Tango/Other Side of The Mirror shows.

Hawkeye 06-19-2005 02:35 PM

Actually you share the opinion of most people. Despite the album it was for, The Street Angel tour was quite possibly Stevie's best ever. And OSOTM and Timespace are pretty much without much dissent her worst tours.

upontheventura 06-19-2005 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
Actually you share the opinion of most people. Despite the album it was for, The Street Angel tour was quite possibly Stevie's best ever. And OSOTM and Timespace are pretty much without much dissent her worst tours.

Okay good, it is not just me. I am sorry to say that her voice was incredibly flat with absolutely no character- I find her unlistenable. It surprises me when people say that one of those shows is their favorites. And i have traded many, and even that Wembley show from 88 with the last version of Sara (at least for a while) Unlistenable. To me. Then you have 1994 and The Dance, and it is like a totally different person. The vibrato came back.

BirdInFlight 06-19-2005 02:44 PM

I have audio and video of this show. IMO, it's her best performance on this tour. She was totally rockin' thru the whole set. Towards the middle of the show she tells the audience she wrote a song once called "At The Fair" and she proceeds to sing some of it, "Everything that he loved he found at the fair and the beautiful doll that he wanted...well...he should have left her there." :D

Good times. Great show.

upontheventura 06-19-2005 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BirdInFlight
I have audio and video of this show. IMO, it's her best performance on this tour. She was totally rockin' thru the whole set. Towards the middle of the show she tells the audience she wrote a song once called "At The Fair" and she proceeds to sing some of it, "Everything that he loved he found at the fair and the beautiful doll that he wanted...well...he should have left her there." :D

Good times. Great show.

I would do anything if you could send me the "Stand Back" performance from that show!! I have tons of MP3's i could send!

David 06-19-2005 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by upontheventura
Anybody have this boot? I have heard it is a fantastic show and that Stevie is in rare form.

I have it. It's an average 1994 show.
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I found 87-91 to be Stevie's vocal low point. I don't know what happened to her voice during those years. I hope I am not being offensive, but I can't even listen to the Tango/Other Side of The Mirror shows.
I think some of what Stevie did during those years was as detrimental to Fleetwood Mac's reputation as Lindsey once said the "Time" band personnel on tour was.

David 06-19-2005 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by upontheventura
Okay good, it is not just me. I am sorry to say that her voice was incredibly flat with absolutely no character- I find her unlistenable.

So I want to know what happened to all those thousands of Stevie Nicks fans who absolutely raved about those tours at the time they were occurring? You couldn't open a fan magazine in those days without reading dozens of purple-prosed raves of some show in 1989, 1990 or 1991. "Stevie looks & sounds her best ever" was the repeating refrain.

Did those people all die?

David 06-19-2005 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
Actually you share the opinion of most people. Despite the album it was for, The Street Angel tour was quite possibly Stevie's best ever.

Not quite, but very fine, indeed.
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And OSOTM and Timespace are pretty much without much dissent her worst tours.
At the time, Stevie Nicks fans RAVED RAVED RAVED about them.

That's when I first thought I was going nuts.

wheart 06-19-2005 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by David
So I want to know what happened to all those thousands of Stevie Nicks fans who absolutely raved about those tours at the time they were occurring? You couldn't open a fan magazine in those days without reading dozens of purple-prosed raves of some show in 1989, 1990 or 1991. "Stevie looks & sounds her best ever" was the repeating refrain.

Did those people all die?

Wow...that's amazing to hear. The first time I saw Stevie live was during the Mirror Tour and I was very disappointed. She barely moved. I have many boots of the Behind the Mask Tour and I think this is without a doubt her worst tour ever. I remember watching these videos wondering what was up with her and then found out years later than she was on klonipin so then it all made sense. Still, I can't believe anyone actually thinking the '89-'91 shows were good.

I'm new here, by the way. I've been reading all the posts for a while but never responded. Being the HUGE fan that I am, I coudn't keep quiet for long !! :)

krrrby 06-19-2005 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wheart
Wow...that's amazing to hear. The first time I saw Stevie live was during the Mirror Tour and I was very disappointed. She barely moved. I have many boots of the Behind the Mask Tour and I think this is without a doubt her worst tour ever. I remember watching these videos wondering what was up with her and then found out years later than she was on klonipin so then it all made sense. Still, I can't believe anyone actually thinking the '89-'91 shows were good.

I'm new here, by the way. I've been reading all the posts for a while but never responded. Being the HUGE fan that I am, I coudn't keep quiet for long !! :)

Yeah they were sucky years, but I have to admit, I have a BTM rehearsal of Rhiannon and it sounds pretty good imo

WildInTheWind 06-19-2005 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wheart
Wow...that's amazing to hear. The first time I saw Stevie live was during the Mirror Tour and I was very disappointed. She barely moved. I have many boots of the Behind the Mask Tour and I think this is without a doubt her worst tour ever. I remember watching these videos wondering what was up with her and then found out years later than she was on klonipin so then it all made sense. Still, I can't believe anyone actually thinking the '89-'91 shows were good.

I'm new here, by the way. I've been reading all the posts for a while but never responded. Being the HUGE fan that I am, I coudn't keep quiet for long !! :)

Welcome to the board!

upontheventura 06-19-2005 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by David
I have it. It's an average 1994 show.
I think some of what Stevie did during those years was as detrimental to Fleetwood Mac's reputation as Lindsey once said the "Time" band personnel on tour was.

David, elaborate on Lindsey's comments about the "Time" personnel....

Also, I cannot tell- did you enjoy the 87-91 performances?? I am guessing you didn't.

I mean, everyone here probably has that Pro-Shot Video from San Jose in 1989? I remember people raving about THAT. I bought the video on ebay in 1998/99 (Sorry guys I was new to this and didn't understand bootlegs and such). I thought it was HORRENDOUS. First89 show I had ever seen or heard. I mean any show that can make "Stand Back" seem awful is enough for me. Granted the video quality was great, but the SHOW? Stevie was slurring and seemed very sleepy. Her eyes were dead. Her voice? Sad. I never watched that again. And then that Mountainview California video from 1991? More of the same but not quite as bad. Thank god she made it out of all that.

wheart 06-19-2005 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WildInTheWind
Welcome to the board!


Thanks!! Very happy to be here. You guys rock!

AliceLover 06-19-2005 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wheart
Wow...that's amazing to hear. The first time I saw Stevie live was during the Mirror Tour and I was very disappointed. She barely moved. I have many boots of the Behind the Mask Tour and I think this is without a doubt her worst tour ever. I remember watching these videos wondering what was up with her and then found out years later than she was on klonipin so then it all made sense. Still, I can't believe anyone actually thinking the '89-'91 shows were good.
I'm new here, by the way. I've been reading all the posts for a while but never responded. Being the HUGE fan that I am, I coudn't keep quiet for long !! :)

I think they are good. Am I going to be stoned now?

AliceLover 06-19-2005 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by upontheventura
David, elaborate on Lindsey's comments about the "Time" personnel....

Also, I cannot tell- did you enjoy the 87-91 performances?? I am guessing you didn't.

I mean, everyone here probably has that Pro-Shot Video from San Jose in 1989? I remember people raving about THAT. I bought the video on ebay in 1998/99 (Sorry guys I was new to this and didn't understand bootlegs and such). I thought it was HORRENDOUS. First89 show I had ever seen or heard. I mean any show that can make "Stand Back" seem awful is enough for me. Granted the video quality was great, but the SHOW? Stevie was slurring and seemed very sleepy. Her eyes were dead. Her voice? Sad. I never watched that again. And then that Mountainview California video from 1991? More of the same but not quite as bad. Thank god she made it out of all that.

I guess I am the opposite. i think the RAL shows are unlistenable. She slurs, screams, and talks through all the songs. Ad-Libs keys, misses her que's on when to come into songs. I feel bad for her when I watch this tour, she was on sooo much cocane.

As for 89 tour, I think Houston, Rotterdam and Paris are all listenable. I would much rather listen to these then some TISL bootlegs.


jimmy

BirdInFlight 06-19-2005 06:44 PM

A couple of shows from those eras stand out as really great. Live at the Greek from '89 is an awesome OSOTM show. She flat out tears the place apart and has one of my fave OTR versions ever. The Timespace show from Philly is great, too. A spirited IAF and a rockin' Rhiannon, amongst others.

But that's about it. :D

upontheventura 06-19-2005 06:46 PM

LOL. Well I just joined this board so I don't want to be too negative. The 2001 shows weren't nearly as energetic as the Enchanted shows. That i'll say. And the RAL shows. Musically, that was my favorite tour. Vocally, Stevie was all over the map. But she had passion in her voice.

wheart 06-19-2005 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BirdInFlight
A couple of shows from those eras stand out as really great. Live at the Greek from '89 is an awesome OSOTM show. She flat out tears the place apart and has one of my fave OTR versions ever. The Timespace show from Philly is great, too. A spirited IAF and a rockin' Rhiannon, amongst others.

But that's about it. :D

I agree about the Philly '91 show. I was there and got to meet her after the show but even beyond that, it was a great performance. The crowd was very much into it! I think the pro shot '89 show in San Jose was one of the better shows from that tour. Looking at Stevie now, those shows are quite different but they still hold a certain charm for me.

Nightbirdjel 06-19-2005 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by David
So I want to know what happened to all those thousands of Stevie Nicks fans who absolutely raved about those tours at the time they were occurring? You couldn't open a fan magazine in those days without reading dozens of purple-prosed raves of some show in 1989, 1990 or 1991. "Stevie looks & sounds her best ever" was the repeating refrain.

Did those people all die?

Nope, I'm still here! :lol:
I have a vinyl Westwood One radio show from the OSM tour that I believe to be phenomenal. The version of GDW on that record is the best solo version I've ever heard. I'm only speaking strictly for myself though, and realize not everyone will agree (ok, practically no one!). I saw her on that tour and yeah, she was a little hefty but her voice was fine, to me. But then again, I'm one of those unconditional kooks that could find brilliance in her farting into a microphone! :shrug: (*Puts asbestos suit on for the incoming flames*)

strandinthewind 06-19-2005 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightbirdjel
Nope, I'm still here! :lol:
I have a vinyl Westwood One radio show from the OSM tour that I believe to be phenomenal. The version of GDW on that record is the best solo version I've ever heard. I'm only speaking strictly for myself though, and realize not everyone will agree (ok, practically no one!). I saw her on that tour and yeah, she was a little hefty but her voice was fine, to me. But then again, I'm one of those unconditional kooks that could find brilliance in her farting into a microphone! :shrug: (*Puts asbestos suit on for the incoming flames*)

I saw her in Houston for the OSM tour - she was high as a kite and moved only a little. I remember thinking she was singing okay - in fact fine or great in some areas - but she looked so wasted I was very nervous for her and worried she might pull a Bette M. in The Rose. Thank goodness she cleaned up her act.

As an aside, I remember trying to rush the stage as I had done for the RAL tour and not being able to do so because I was too late and too far up :mad: But, I got within like ten rows so I guess that is better than nothing :cool:

Finally, I thought her voice was much worse on the TITN tour. And, while I love her, CM's voice was not good on that tour as well. I have trouble listening to those boots and rarely do because of that - well that and I did not care for Billy and Rick's voices in the blend, though I like them on their own and recognize each has a lot of talent. The TITN tour was just not that great for me :laugh:

Interestingly, La Nicks and CM both regained their voices with a vengence for The Dance; actually, Stevie had hervoice for SA, but no one or at least few would look past the weight - sad, very true.

AliceLover 06-19-2005 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wheart
I agree about the Philly '91 show. I was there and got to meet her after the show but even beyond that, it was a great performance. The crowd was very much into it! I think the pro shot '89 show in San Jose was one of the better shows from that tour. Looking at Stevie now, those shows are quite different but they still hold a certain charm for me.

I do like the San Jose 89 vid a lot but I think there are even better performances from that tour. Rotterdam, Holland November 24th 1989 is great both in quality and performance. I will Say the same for the Paris, France Bootleg.

As for the TS tour. I think that the Philly show is great. Great in performance. I think the best show from that tour is 8-17-91 at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. She really put on an excellent performace and it is my favorite bootleg from the Timespace tour.

Compare the Jones BEach 7-23-91 vid and the San Jose 89 vid and tell me which one she dances more on. She is like a boulder on the 91 vid.

wheart 06-19-2005 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AliceLover
I do like the San Jose 89 vid a lot but I think there are even better performances from that tour. Rotterdam, Holland November 24th 1989 is great both in quality and performance. I will Say the same for the Paris, France Bootleg.

As for the TS tour. I think that the Philly show is great. Great in performance. I think the best show from that tour is 8-17-91 at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. She really put on an excellent performace and it is my favorite bootleg from the Timespace tour.

Compare the Jones BEach 7-23-91 vid and the San Jose 89 vid and tell me which one she dances more on. She is like a boulder on the 91 vid.


I don't believe I've ever seen the TS show at the Greek Theater...Damn, I thought I've seen them all. I think the San Jose show is far better than than the pro shot Concord show (8/15). Though I believe it's intentional, she sings the last verse of OTR twice and then sings the first verse at the end. Bizarre...but she does look great on this tour

skcin 06-19-2005 09:04 PM

The Ohio 94 show is one of my favorite boots ever. I listen to it often. :nod:

catinthedark 06-19-2005 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
Actually you share the opinion of most people. Despite the album it was for, The Street Angel tour was quite possibly Stevie's best ever. And OSOTM and Timespace are pretty much without much dissent her worst tours.

Best evah?

Go catch her these days, man. She's blowing away her entire past solo touring career.

stevierocks87 06-19-2005 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I saw her in Houston for the OSM tour - she was high as a kite and moved only a little. I remember thinking she was singing okay - in fact fine or great in some areas - but she looked so wasted I was very nervous for her and worried she might pull a Bette M. in The Rose. Thank goodness she cleaned up her act.

I was actually just listening to this boot today (I didn't know you were there Jason-cool!). I, for one, LOVE it- although I've only heard the audio and haven't actually seen her on this tour. OTR is the one of the best versions I've heard, and my absolute guiltiest pleasure is the live version of "Alice". LOVE it! And "Stand Back" is boring or lifeless at all. Maybe this show was the exception rather than the rule :shrug:

:wavey:adam :wavey:

jwd 06-19-2005 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark
Go catch her these days, man. She's blowing away her entire past solo touring career.

From what I'm hearing of all the boots of these recent shows, and now the remix version of "Dreams", I think you may be right! I am so psyched for the show in Cincinnati coming up. And to boot, the BEST seats I've ever had for any Mac or Stevie show yet. I'm gonna be one helluva happy camper on June 28th! :blob2: :blob1: :] :woohoo:

David 06-19-2005 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AliceLover
I guess I am the opposite. i think the RAL shows are unlistenable. She slurs, screams, and talks through all the songs. Ad-Libs keys, misses her que's on when to come into songs. I feel bad for her when I watch this tour, she was on sooo much cocane.

It's rock & roll, Jimmy.

Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Sly Stone, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix, Rickie Lee Jones, Johnny Rotten, David Bowie, Peter Green, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, Stevie Nicks . . . virtually all the great sexual personae in rock were neurotic, wild, often bombed, living on the edge, pushing envelopes, leaping over the artistic milestones of their predecessors. They were like the great poets of the critique of Enlightenment that permeated Romanticism -- Morrison & Lennon & Bowie & Nicks are the Shelley & Keats of our time. Their achievements last, generation after generation.

To want your great rock stars to be neat, tidy, sane & sugarcoated is to want lounge performers.
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As for 89 tour, I think Houston, Rotterdam and Paris are all listenable.
Speaking of lounge performers . . . .

jwd 06-19-2005 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by David
It's rock & roll, Jimmy.

Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Sly Stone, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix, Rickie Lee Jones, Johnny Rotten, David Bowie, Peter Green, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, Stevie Nicks . . . virtually all the great sexual personae in rock were neurotic, wild, often bombed, living on the edge, pushing envelopes, leaping over the artistic milestones of their predecessors. They were like the great poets of the critique of Enlightenment that permeated Romanticism -- Morrison & Lennon & Bowie & Nicks are the Shelley & Keats of our time. Their achievements last, generation after generation.

To want your great rock stars to be neat, tidy, sane & sugarcoated is to want lounge performers.


:thumbsup: Right on!

strandinthewind 06-19-2005 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd
From what I'm hearing of all the boots of these recent shows, and now the remix version of "Dreams", I think you may be right! I am so psyched for the show in Cincinnati coming up. And to boot, the BEST seats I've ever had for any Mac or Stevie show yet. I'm gonna be one helluva happy camper on June 28th! :blob2: :blob1: :] :woohoo:


If I have said it once I have said it a million times, starting in Vegas, this tour has the energy of WH and a little of RAL, yet she is sober compared to those. I think it is GREAT that she is still rockin'

David 06-19-2005 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AliceLover
As for the TS tour. I think that the Philly show is great. Great in performance. I think the best show from that tour is 8-17-91 at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. She really put on an excellent performace and it is my favorite bootleg from the Timespace tour.

I saw her at Concord Pavilion & she absolutely sucked. She was toneless & off key all night, had none of her previously so captivating vibrato or commitment, her band was ear-splittingly assaultive, like a headbanger band, & everybody -- Stevie most of all -- was dressed in really stupid shmata.

Not a thing had changed a few nights later at Shoreline. I sat through these awful, awful shows in extreme agitation & disconsolation: "Where has my Stevie Nicks gone?" I asked myself ten-thousand times. "What is this blank creature -- this automaton -- in her stead?"

jwd 06-19-2005 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
If I have said it once I have said it a million times, starting in Vegas, this tour has the energy of WH and a little of RAL, yet she is sober compared to those. I think it is GREAT that she is still rockin'

I saw her on those tours too strandie, so I'll let you know after June 28th, if being "sober" is a good thing! :D

David 06-19-2005 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
If I have said it once I have said it a million times, starting in Vegas, this tour has the energy of WH and a little of RAL, yet she is sober compared to those.

I've been listening to audio files of this recent tour. I can't really say I'm into it.

I didn't get into the Millennium or the Shangri-La tours, either. Tammy & Tiff want me to go to the Coors stop on the tour. That will take a lot of coercing.

strandinthewind 06-19-2005 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by David
I've been listening to audio files of this recent tour. I can't really say I'm into it.

I didn't get into the Millennium or the Shangri-La tours, either. Tammy & Tiff want me to go to the Coors stop on the tour. That will take a lot of coercing.

I think she will never have the energy she had 20 + years ago so it is a little unfair for me to compare her to that. It for me is just that at these shows, she is playful, coy, chatty, and dancy - that is what reminds me of the WH tour, but she is most certainly not jumping off of the stage onto a speaker at the US Festival :laugh:

jwd 06-19-2005 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by David
I've been listening to audio files of this recent tour. I can't really say I'm into it.

I didn't get into the Millennium or the Shangri-La tours, either. Tammy & Tiff want me to go to the Coors stop on the tour. That will take a lot of coercing.

DAVID DOWNER! :]

BirdInFlight 06-19-2005 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I saw her in Houston for the OSM tour - she was high as a kite and moved only a little. I remember thinking she was singing okay - in fact fine or great in some areas - but she looked so wasted I was very nervous for her and worried she might pull a Bette M. in The Rose. Thank goodness she cleaned up her act.

I was front row at the Houston OSOTM show. When she walked the stage during EO17 we locked eyes for a few seconds and it was at that moment I realized "nobody was home" in Stevieville. She had a totally lost look and I was really taken aback by that. However, she did manage to re-do TKOL and re-do WLT about 4 more times in a row so that the video could be filmed.

strandinthewind 06-19-2005 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BirdInFlight
I was front row at the Houston OSOTM show. When she walked the stage during EO17 we locked eyes for a few seconds and it was at that moment I realized "nobody was home" in Stevieville. She had a totally lost look and I was really taken aback by that. However, she did manage to re-do TKOL and re-do WLT about 4 more times in a row so that the video could be filmed.

I do not remember it being filmed. I am thinking now that maybe I saw it in Dallas but was supposed to go to Houston. In fact, I just checked as I am at my parent's house with all my old Stevie stuff and I did in fact see her in Dallas - I have no clue why I thought it was Houston - old age maybe :laugh: But, rest assured, though she was physically in it, she was indeed too far from apparently all of Texas :laugh:

jwd 06-19-2005 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
she was indeed too far from apparently all of Texas

:lol: Classic dude, classic! :thumbsup:

Hawkeye 06-19-2005 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark
Best evah?

Go catch her these days, man. She's blowing away her entire past solo touring career.

Seeing her this Saturday, so thats VERY encouraging to me :thumbsup:

ontheEdgeof17 06-19-2005 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
Seeing her this Saturday, so thats VERY encouraging to me :thumbsup:


Me, too. :)

Hawkeye 06-19-2005 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AliceLover
I guess I am the opposite. i think the RAL shows are unlistenable. She slurs, screams, and talks through all the songs. Ad-Libs keys, misses her que's on when to come into songs. I feel bad for her when I watch this tour, she was on sooo much cocane.

As for 89 tour, I think Houston, Rotterdam and Paris are all listenable. I would much rather listen to these then some TISL bootlegs.


jimmy

YES TOTAL opposites. For me Stevie adlibing and sluring on the RAL tour is just awseome. Im so not saying I want her to return to doing that now, what shes doing now is perfect for her, but im so happy we have that era captured in time to live on, as it is in some ways her best ever. Incomprehendable Stevie is absolutely my favorite. RAL tour was her Janis Joplin tour.

And I'd like to add that I think her TISL tour was one of her worst tours too, possibly worse then the 89-91 tours. And I remember her getting some raves from fans on that tour too. So I hope all the talk about this current tour being a return to 94, i hope it aint all hot air. I'll see Saturday.


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