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dudden22 05-24-2005 09:57 AM

FM Done
 
I was just at Stevie Nicks info and saw that someone who spoke to Chris Nicks said fm is done forever and that stevie would never tour with them again. What do you think is going on? :shrug:

http://www.stevie-nicks.info/index.p...tid=3&id=48#48

cliffdweller 05-24-2005 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dudden22
I was just at Stevie Nicks info and saw that someone who spoke to Chris Nicks said fm is done forever and that stevie would never tour with them again.

If this proves to be true, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Tango 05-24-2005 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dudden22
I was just at Stevie Nicks info and saw that someone who spoke to Chris Nicks said fm is done forever and that stevie would never tour with them again. What do you think is going on? :shrug:

http://www.stevie-nicks.info/index.p...tid=3&id=48#48

I think there's a BIG difference between Stevie being done with Fleetwood Mac and Fleetwood Mac being "done." Stevie's presence in Fleetwood Mac might turn some fans away from the band, but I don't think that's a universal by any means. They were there before she came; they'll be there after she's gone. :shrug: Further, it would be nice to officially read/hear anything from the actual principles involved.

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dudden22
I was just at Stevie Nicks info and saw that someone who spoke to Chris Nicks said fm is done forever and that stevie would never tour with them again. What do you think is going on? :shrug:

http://www.stevie-nicks.info/index.p...tid=3&id=48#48

wtf??? They had such a successful tour and "seemed" to all be getting along so well... why on Earth would they call it quits for good?? this makes no sense to me at all... didn't Mick go see Stevie in Vegas?? Wasn't there rumours of Lindsey being there as well??? If there is no conflict there and they are all getting along, then where is this coming from? :confused:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:16 AM

Well, that person also says Chris told them in Sept. that La Nicks is recording a solo record, which Lori recently pretty much denied in her Q&A that La Nicks is doing right now.

Who knows, but Stevie certainly has not given up on FM in her public comments a la the Ladd interview.

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Well, that person also says Chris told them in Sept. that La Nicks is recording a solo record, which Lori recently pretty much denied in her Q&A that La Nicks is doing right now.

Who knows, but Stevie certainly has not given up on FM in her public comments a la the Ladd interview.

ahhhh, yes, the infamous Ladd interview, which was packed with.. ummm.. "fabrications".. :rolleyes:

SuzeQuze 05-24-2005 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
wtf??? They had such a successful tour and "seemed" to all be getting along so well... why on Earth would they call it quits for good?? this makes no sense to me at all... didn't Mick go see Stevie in Vegas?? Wasn't there rumours of Lindsey being there as well??? If there is no conflict there and they are all getting along, then where is this coming from? :confused:

Even if they say they're done I won't believe them. They say lots of things.

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
ahhhh, yes, the infamous Ladd interview, which was packed with.. ummm.. "fabrications".. :rolleyes:


Balh Blah Blah

I am certainly am glad she did not as promised:

1. use in any way that cursed video screen

2. haul out any songs she had not done in a decade or more

3. haul out any new outfits, or

4. perform as if it were 1981.

I was all just a PACK OF LIES aimed at selling tickets

:p :p :p :p :p

Of course there were no boas :angel:

Kelly 05-24-2005 10:25 AM

I would not buy a thing Chris says. It is also pretty ballsy to speak for his sister. He also told people that EFO was about Bill Clinton! :eek:

I do think big changes are happening with Stevie in terms of her "career" but I have hope for a final FM tour. Not an album...but perhaps a small goodbye tour.

Stevie did not lie in the Ladd interview..she embellished but I still believe some of the things she talked about she intended to do. Unfortunately things did not work out. (or fortunately for me cause I hate TTM and boas)

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
I would not buy a thing Chris says. It is also pretty ballsy to speak for his sister. He also told people that EFO was about Bill Clinton! :eek:


I am glad you know better than he does - you were there right? :wavey: :wavey:

And I believe the DR doc. verified the working title was Monica :wavey:

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
I would not buy a thing Chris says. It is also pretty ballsy to speak for his sister. He also told people that EFO was about Bill Clinton! :eek:

They do look awfully close in that "leaving the White House" concert pic from 2001 ;)

johnny4406 05-24-2005 10:42 AM

EFO about the Clinton scandal....very interesting. This ruins everything. I thought it was about the Stevie-Lindsey-Kristen love triangle that we fans love to create. :distress:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny4406
EFO about the Clinton scandal....very interesting. This ruins everything. I thought it was about the Stevie-Lindsey-Kristen love triangle that we fans love to create. :distress:


Well, it probably is. The working title for EFO was Monica. It could be that La Nicks thought that was funny and Monica and Bill have nothing to do with the song.

no_spoken_word 05-24-2005 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I am glad you know better than he does - you were there right? :wavey: :wavey:

And I believe the DR doc. verified the working title was Monica :wavey:

I've watched that thing a million times and never noticed that, where do they say the title is "Monica"?

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by no_spoken_word
I've watched that thing a million times and never noticed that, where do they say the title is "Monica"?


When she and LB are arguing over who is going to mix the record. La Nicks says "well I lost a day to work on MONICA" - many doubted she said this and called me crazy, but if you turn on the closed caption, you will indeed see she ways "Monica" - why she says it - well, that is all speculation - but she does say Monica and it clearly is in reference to the song now called EFO.

dissention 05-24-2005 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
When she and LB are arguing over who is going to mix the record. La Nicks says "well I lost a day to work on MONICA" - many doubted she said this and called me crazy, but if you turn on the closed caption, you will indeed see she ways "Monica" - why she says it - well, that is all speculation - but she does say Monica and it clearly is in reference to the song now called EFO.

There's no indication that they're referring to what we now know as Everybody Finds Out.

ELIUD 05-24-2005 10:54 AM

I'm sure she was talking about a lesbian love doll/robot she was building in her room. If you look closely there's a DeWalt drill and an erector set behind the spirit catcher.

GardenStateGirlie 05-24-2005 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ELIUD
I'm sure she was talking about a lesbian love doll/robot she was building in her room. If you look closely there's a DeWalt drill and an erector set behind the spirit catcher.

Have I told you lately that I love you?? :lol: :xoxo:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
There's no indication that they're referring to what we now know as Everybody Finds Out.


Well, yes there is. They are mixing the song EFO at that time and La Nicks refers to it as Monica. Thus, the connection - I mean what else could she be referring to? But, if you want to think she is talking about something else - who am I to keep you down.

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ELIUD
I'm sure she was talking about a lesbian love doll/robot she was building in her room. If you look closely there's a DeWalt drill and an erector set behind the spirit catcher.

they are sitting on the Futon mext to the Birkenstocks and the enpty beer cans :eek:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

skcin 05-24-2005 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
When she and LB are arguing over who is going to mix the record. La Nicks says "well I lost a day to work on MONICA" - many doubted she said this and called me crazy, but if you turn on the closed caption, you will indeed see she ways "Monica" - why she says it - well, that is all speculation - but she does say Monica and it clearly is in reference to the song now called EFO.

Yeah, but the closed caption for SOTM yell from the Mirage 1982 vid says "earoishdjfvhd&^&$(JIN{}MHG@#trvuiw" when it's obvious that Stevie said "khbywwit%$$^^ljiterj_+^#@#%&^*fhdifseiotg!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So, you know, you have to take it with a grain of salt. :shrug:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by skcin
Yeah, but the closed caption for SOTM yell from the Mirage 1982 vid says "earoishdjfvhd&^&$(JIN{}MHG@#trvuiw" when it's obvious that Stevie said "khbywwit%$$^^ljiterj_+^#@#%&^*fhdifseiotg!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So, you know, you have to take it with a grain of salt. :shrug:

:laugh:

Well, the largest distinction between the two for me is - in the Mirage video, not only is the caption a phonetic capture of her frenetic behaviour, but she punctuates it with the all to fab. panty revealing, listing spin at the end :cool:

cliffdweller 05-24-2005 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze
Even if they say they're done I won't believe them. They say lots of things.

True...but would it really surprise you if they did call it quits? I mean, what do they have left to do? They've done it all, and they really don't need each other anymore. One of the only reasons the SYW album and tour ever saw the light of day is because Lindsey was told by the lable that his solo material would not be released unless it was a Fleetwood Mac venture. That was the impetus for this whole "getting back together" stuff. And we all know how much Mick loves $$$....and I'm sure the other band members didn't mind it too much either. But now, after the SYW album and mammoth world tour...what's the incentive to do it all over again? They're all getting up there in years---I can't imagine them having the energy to do that again. And I really get the sense that Lindsey and Stevie could do without each other, when they work together it's like oil and water. I'm not one of those who has romantic notions about those two...I really think they have a difficult time (to this day) working together and seeing eye to eye on projects (and it's not because of their romantic past anymore either) they just DO NOT play well together. DR is a perfect example of that. Don't get me wrong, I love Fleetwood Mac, and I enjoyed every show I went to in the last couple years, I don't necessarily want them to call it quits, but I believe that they've done everything they want to do together. I don't think the two songwriters have a need or want to work with one another again. I could be completely off base here...but this is the feeling I get.

seeker007nmss 05-24-2005 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
True...but would it really surprise you if they did call it quits? I mean, what do they have left to do? .


They will tour the next time John and/or Mick needs money. :nod:

Livia 05-24-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
True...but would it really surprise you if they did call it quits? I mean, what do they have left to do? They've done it all, and they really don't need each other anymore. One of the only reasons the SYW album and tour ever saw the light of day is because Lindsey was told by the lable that his solo material would not be released unless it was a Fleetwood Mac venture. That was the impetus for this whole "getting back together" stuff. And we all know how much Mick loves $$$....and I'm sure the other band members didn't mind it too much either. But now, after the SYW album and mammoth world tour...what's the incentive to do it all over again? They're all getting up there in years---I can't imagine them having the energy to do that again. And I really get the sense that Lindsey and Stevie could do without each other, when they work together it's like oil and water. I'm not one of those who has romantic notions about those two...I really think they have a difficult time (to this day) working together and seeing eye to eye on projects (and it's not because of their romantic past anymore either) they just DO NOT play well together. DR is a perfect example of that. Don't get me wrong, I love Fleetwood Mac, and I enjoyed every show I went to in the last couple years, I don't necessarily want them to call it quits, but I believe that they've done everything they want to do together. I don't think the two songwriters have a need or want to work with one another again. I could be completely off base here...but this is the feeling I get.

I second that emotion! :wavey:

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
True...but would it really surprise you if they did call it quits? I mean, what do they have left to do? They've done it all, and they really don't need each other anymore. One of the only reasons the SYW album and tour ever saw the light of day is because Lindsey was told by the lable that his solo material would not be released unless it was a Fleetwood Mac venture. That was the impetus for this whole "getting back together" stuff. And we all know how much Mick loves $$$....and I'm sure the other band members didn't mind it too much either. But now, after the SYW album and mammoth world tour...what's the incentive to do it all over again? They're all getting up there in years---I can't imagine them having the energy to do that again. And I really get the sense that Lindsey and Stevie could do without each other, when they work together it's like oil and water. I'm not one of those who has romantic notions about those two...I really think they have a difficult time (to this day) working together and seeing eye to eye on projects (and it's not because of their romantic past anymore either) they just DO NOT play well together. DR is a perfect example of that. Don't get me wrong, I love Fleetwood Mac, and I enjoyed every show I went to in the last couple years, I don't necessarily want them to call it quits, but I believe that they've done everything they want to do together. I don't think the two songwriters have a need or want to work with one another again. I could be completely off base here...but this is the feeling I get.


Well, if that's true, then Ms. Nicks better get herself back into the studio ASAP or her label will drop her and no one will want to pick her up... she'll end up a Vegas act much sooner than later and i don't think anyone wants that.. i don't...

SuzeQuze 05-24-2005 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
True...but would it really surprise you if they did call it quits? I mean, what do they have left to do? They've done it all, and they really don't need each other anymore. One of the only reasons the SYW album and tour ever saw the light of day is because Lindsey was told by the lable that his solo material would not be released unless it was a Fleetwood Mac venture. That was the impetus for this whole "getting back together" stuff. And we all know how much Mick loves $$$....and I'm sure the other band members didn't mind it too much either. But now, after the SYW album and mammoth world tour...what's the incentive to do it all over again? They're all getting up there in years---I can't imagine them having the energy to do that again. And I really get the sense that Lindsey and Stevie could do without each other, when they work together it's like oil and water. I'm not one of those who has romantic notions about those two...I really think they have a difficult time (to this day) working together and seeing eye to eye on projects (and it's not because of their romantic past anymore either) they just DO NOT play well together. DR is a perfect example of that. Don't get me wrong, I love Fleetwood Mac, and I enjoyed every show I went to in the last couple years, I don't necessarily want them to call it quits, but I believe that they've done everything they want to do together. I don't think the two songwriters have a need or want to work with one another again. I could be completely off base here...but this is the feeling I get.

Yes, it would really surprise me if FM never tours or does an album again. If this happens I will eat chop suey including the water chestnuts (I HATE them). :lol:

Janet 05-24-2005 04:35 PM

I can't believe anyone would believe this. I haven't heard anything but good things from the members and I am sure they will tour again.

Look at the Stones, they are all in their 60's doing this, I'm sure FM will be too. It's a great retirement fund and I think they actually enjoy it too!

Rickypt 05-24-2005 04:36 PM

I don't necessarily think we should believe whatever Chris Nicks says, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Stevie is done with FM. In the 5 SYW shows I went to, she never looked very happy at all. One of those shows I was in the front row and could really see her facial expressions. Her smile was never more than pursed lips. Contrast that with the huge smiles we've seen in the Vegas pix.

I think any "chemistry" between Stevie and Lindsey on that tour was canned. Otherwise there would have been *some* spontaneous moments. I saw nothing different between them in the 5 shows, plus the Boston DVD.

I think Stevie much prefers the solo thing. She isn't getting any older and probably is thinking why do the FM thing again--why share an album with other people, why argue over placement of songs on the album, why deal with Lindsey lovers in the front row when she can have one filled her own worshippers, etc. I don't blame her.

cliffdweller 05-24-2005 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Janet
Look at the Stones, they are all in their 60's doing this

Yeah, and they seriously need to pack it in. I would hate for Fleetwood Mac to go out like that. Not that the Stones are "going out" any time soon, unfortunately.

cliffdweller 05-24-2005 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickypt
I don't necessarily think we should believe whatever Chris Nicks says, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Stevie is done with FM.

Stevie's not the only one. I'm sure Lindsey had to eat so much crow this last time around that he's way over-stuffed. He's done too. He's been done since 1987.

Kelly 05-24-2005 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I am glad you know better than he does - you were there right? :wavey: :wavey:

And I believe the DR doc. verified the working title was Monica :wavey:


Sweetheart..go check out the copywrite website. Hold On I will go get it. The title given to said song that later became EFO was "in the darkness". Or do you have proof that the working title was Monica?? I heard her say it but that doesnt prove your working title schpeal. :nod:

glitter_fades 05-24-2005 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skcin
Yeah, but the closed caption for SOTM yell from the Mirage 1982 vid says "earoishdjfvhd&^&$(JIN{}MHG@#trvuiw" when it's obvious that Stevie said "khbywwit%$$^^ljiterj_+^#@#%&^*fhdifseiotg!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So, you know, you have to take it with a grain of salt. :shrug:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

glitter_fades 05-24-2005 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
I really get the sense that Lindsey and Stevie could do without each other, when they work together it's like oil and water.

...I really think they have a difficult time (to this day) working together and seeing eye to eye on projects (and it's not because of their romantic past anymore either) they just DO NOT play well together.

AMEN! :nod:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
Sweetheart..go check out the copywrite website. Hold On I will go get it. The title given to said song that later became EFO was "in the darkness". Or do you have proof that the working title was Monica?? I heard her say it but that doesnt prove your working title schpeal. :nod:


Fine - she never said it was about Monica and I and the DR CC are just wrong as is the fact that that was the song they were working on - just all wrong wrong wrong :rolleyes:

On edit - I am not saying the song is about Bill and Monica - I am saying it was the working title, which I know I know - the CSF cannot abide that it has anything whatsoever at all to do with anything but her sneaking around with LB. Well, if that is so, why did she explicitly refer to it as "Monica?" Personally, I think she was being funny.

Kelly 05-24-2005 05:03 PM

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3. Registration Number: PA-1-224-390
Title: Everybody finds out.
Note: Enhanced CD. Performed by aFleetwood Mac.
In: Say you will. mReprise 48394-2, c2003. Compact disc
Claimant: Welsh Witch Music, Future Furniture Music
Created: 1999

Published: 15Apr03

Registered: 20Apr04

Title on © Application: In the darkness.
Author on © Application: words & music: Stevie Nicks, Rick Nowels.
Previous Related Version: Prev. reg. 2000, PAu 2-509-624.
Special Codes: 3/M/L

Notice the "In the Darkness" registered in 1999. So, Monica is Jason's working title for EFO! :angel:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
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3. Registration Number: PA-1-224-390
Title: Everybody finds out.
Note: Enhanced CD. Performed by aFleetwood Mac.
In: Say you will. mReprise 48394-2, c2003. Compact disc
Claimant: Welsh Witch Music, Future Furniture Music
Created: 1999

Published: 15Apr03

Registered: 20Apr04

Title on © Application: In the darkness.
Author on © Application: words & music: Stevie Nicks, Rick Nowels.
Previous Related Version: Prev. reg. 2000, PAu 2-509-624.
Special Codes: 3/M/L

Notice the "In the Darkness" registered in 1999. So, Monica is Jason's working title for EFO! :angel:

No, it was Stevie's words not mine. I mean I did not just up and say one day "Hey - this song was called Monica" now did I.

and another thing, that was the registered title before she worked on it with FM, where it took on a working title and indeed another name. So, that first name apparently was and is irrelevant. Nice try though :wavey:

Kelly 05-24-2005 05:09 PM

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4. Registration Number: PAu-2-509-624
Title: In the darkness.
Description: Sound cassette & lyrics sheets.
Claimant: Welsh Witch Music, Future Furniture Music
Created: 1999

Registered: 15Jun00

Author on © Application: words: acStevie Nicks; music: Rick Nowels.
Special Codes: 3/M


Here is the old one before it was resubmitted by the Mac as, ahem,
Everybody Finds Out.

Kelly 05-24-2005 05:11 PM

:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
No, it was Stevie's words not mine. I mean I did not just up and say one day "Hey - this song was called Monica" now did I.

and another thing, that was the registered title before she worked on it with FM, where it took on a working title and indeed another name. So, that first name apparently was and is irrelevant. Nice try though :wavey:

I posted the other one before it was used by FM and the name is In the Darkness...clearly it says that. No Monica there. Nope.

Oh and it was Stevie's words? You heard her say the working title for EFO and ITD was Monica? Cause I didnt hear that on the doc. I heard her say Monica but you honestly have no idea why she said it. You theorize and assume. :wavey:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
:thumbsup:

I posted the other one before it was used by FM and the name is In the Darkness...clearly it says that. No Monica there. Nope.

Oh and it was Stevie's words? You heard her say the working title for EFO and ITD was Monica? Cause I didnt hear that on the doc. I heard her say Monica but you honestly have no idea why she said it. You theorize and assume. :wavey:


Nope - you cannot see the light - you live "in the darkness" :wavey:

Again, you win, everyone pay attention - I recant that La Nicks ever uttered the word "Monica" at all in the SYW sessions. The DR doc. is wrong and misleading. AND - no one should assume that the song they are working on at the time she says the word "Monica" (which she really did not say as noted above) is EFO :rolleyes:

Come on - you are smarter than that :laugh:


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