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LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 01:49 AM

The Enchanted Voice
 
Ok, so i just got in some shows from one of my trades today, and i got two upgraded shows from the "Enchanted" tour... I'm listening to the Woodstock show right now and it's just incredible.. i am stunned at how much power Stevie has lost in her voice since just 1998...Not only that, but she was hitting all the high notes and had perfect tone.. ... what happened between 1998 and 2001 that caused such a dramatic change??? i just don't understand it.. :distress: :( :shrug:

amber 05-24-2005 02:22 AM

I have heard this same sentiment before, although I have not heard the Woodstock show.

desertangel 05-24-2005 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
Ok, so i just got in some shows from one of my trades today, and i got two upgraded shows from the "Enchanted" tour... I'm listening to the Woodstock show right now and it's just incredible.. i am stunned at how much power Stevie has lost in her voice since just 1998...Not only that, but she was hitting all the high notes and had perfect tone.. ... what happened between 1998 and 2001 that caused such a dramatic change??? i just don't understand it.. :distress: :( :shrug:


Probably menopause or "pre" menopause. I know from experience what pre-menopause can do to your voice. In fact, any female singer can be hampered monthly. Vocal chords retain water just like other muscle tissue at "that time of the month."


Laura

Kelly 05-24-2005 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by amber
I have heard this same sentiment before, although I have not heard the Woodstock show.

OHMYGOSH. I MUST send you the Woodstock show...it is my most favorite Boot EVAH! HAEWAFY will have you in tears..promise! I hate that song but that version kicks some major ass. (a crying stevie points emphatically to the side of the stage as she bellows "I would have given that to YOU) so, yea...its a super show. PM me if you want it Amber.

tynan88 05-24-2005 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
OHMYGOSH. I MUST send you the Woodstock show...it is my most favorite Boot EVAH! HAEWAFY will have you in tears..promise! I hate that song but that version kicks some major ass. (a crying stevie points emphatically to the side of the stage as she bellows "I would have given that to YOU) so, yea...its a super show. PM me if you want it Amber.

She was pointing ay Lindsey who was at that show :nod:

skcin 05-24-2005 08:52 AM

Kelly's right - one of her best performances in years. :nod: Spot on - the setlist, the vocal, the performance, the venue - perfection!

BTW - I tend to agree - I don't know if it's just aging, or if she's being more cautious with her voice as of late, but generally there is a marked difference in the power of her vocals between 97/98 to 01/03/05. IMO (and Diss's too. :D )

cliffdweller 05-24-2005 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by skcin
I don't know if it's just aging, or if she's being more cautious with her voice as of late, but generally there is a marked difference in the power of her vocals between 97/98 to 01/03/05.

:nod: I totally agree. There's no mistaking this. And I don't know about the menopause excuse. I don't think it ravages your vocal chords to that extent. Stevie has gotten WAY more nasaly in the past couple of years; I'm sure her damaged septum doesn't help matters either.

dissention 05-24-2005 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
Ok, so i just got in some shows from one of my trades today, and i got two upgraded shows from the "Enchanted" tour... I'm listening to the Woodstock show right now and it's just incredible.. i am stunned at how much power Stevie has lost in her voice since just 1998...Not only that, but she was hitting all the high notes and had perfect tone.. ... what happened between 1998 and 2001 that caused such a dramatic change??? i just don't understand it.. :distress: :( :shrug:

Hello! I've been saying that since 2001. :thumbsup:

'94-'98 (or '00) is my favorite era of her voice. Listen to Edge of Seventeen from the Woodstock show, more specifically the yell at the end of the bridge. That note that she hits, however intentional or not, is shocking. What happened in 2001 is a mystery to me and it kind of depresses me.

skcin 05-24-2005 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Hello! I've been saying that since 2001. :thumbsup:

'94-'98 (or '00) is my favorite era of her voice. Listen to Edge of Seventeen from the Woodstock show, more specifically the yell at the end of the bridge. That note that she hits, however intentional or not, is shocking. What happened in 2001 is a mystery to me and it kind of depresses me.


You're not going to cry, are you? I hear that's your new "thing." :(

dissention 05-24-2005 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by skcin
You're not going to cry, are you? I hear that's your new "thing." :(

My new thing, among others. :laugh: No, I'm not. I'm going to pop in the fabulous Woodstock show and listen to it instead. What a great show with one kick ass Outside the Rain.

Dreammms 05-24-2005 09:56 AM

The woodstock show is amazing. There is an awesome DVD of it too.

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
My new thing, among others. :laugh: No, I'm not. I'm going to pop in the fabulous Woodstock show and listen to it instead. What a great show with one kick ass Outside the Rain.


I love how her hair falls in her face in GDW!!!!!

I also love that scared out of her mind chick in Landslide! I think Stevie said to her (she was brought up there on accident) "could you sing to this many people - I think you could) :laugh:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Hello! I've been saying that since 2001. :thumbsup:

'94-'98 (or '00) is my favorite era of her voice. Listen to Edge of Seventeen from the Woodstock show, more specifically the yell at the end of the bridge. That note that she hits, however intentional or not, is shocking. What happened in 2001 is a mystery to me and it kind of depresses me.

The Atlanta EO17 is the best I have ever heard and I have heard some Doozies :cool:

dissention 05-24-2005 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
The Atlanta EO17 is the best I have ever heard and I have heard some Doozies :cool:

Oh, it most definitely is. She stretches that sucker out like there's no tomorrow. One of my fave boots.

And your mention of GDW made me think of the Radio City '98 video. I love when she does that scream and then thrashes her head towards the floor and sort of hobbles away from the mic with her head down. :laugh:

Dreammms 05-24-2005 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I also love that scared out of her mind chick in Landslide! I think Stevie said to her (she was brought up there on accident) "could you sing to this many people - I think you could) :laugh:

yeah i think her name is andrea. her face has the look of total shock. :laugh:

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
My new thing, among others. :laugh: No, I'm not. I'm going to pop in the fabulous Woodstock show and listen to it instead. What a great show with one kick ass Outside the Rain.

"Stand Back" is off da hook!!

especially when she changes up the words and screams "YEAHHHH" before the second chorus... ;)

great great show.. i wish i coulda been there to see it live...

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreammms
yeah i think her name is andrea. her face has the look of total shock. :laugh:


She gave her story on the NicksFix I think. It was cute.

Dreammms 05-24-2005 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
And your mention of GDW made me think of the Radio City '98 video. I love when she does that scream and then thrashes her head towards the floor and sort of hobbles away from the mic with her head down. :laugh:

:lol: :lol: I love that too. Great concert.

Dreammms 05-24-2005 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
"Stand Back" is off da hook!!

especially when she changes up the words and screams "YEAHHHH" before the second chorus... ;)

great great show.. i wish i coulda been there to see it live...


Yeah and during Stand Back the camera goes to this girl with glasses who is so into and does this dance to it :laugh: So we miss the Stevie kick.

SuzeQuze 05-24-2005 10:14 AM

I hope Stevie didn't start smoking again, because when she quit her voice sounded awesome, I couldn't believe the difference! A depth that I thought would be gone forever returned.

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze
I hope Stevie didn't start smoking again, because when she quit her voice sounded awesome, I couldn't believe the difference! A depth that I thought would be gone forever returned.

i heard she was smoking again... i would lose some respect for her if that turned out to be true... :distress:

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
i heard she was smoking again... i would lose some respect for her if that turned out to be true... :distress:


Brit saw her smoking in Atlanta at the last FM show. Not that brit did not see what she saw, but I was looking a few minutes before and saw no cig. there have been other reports as well, but who knows. Of course, they may not have been cigs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dreammms 05-24-2005 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Brit saw her smoking in Atlanta at the last FM show. Not that brit did not see what she saw, but I was looking a few minutes before and saw no cig. there have been other reports as well, but who knows. Of course, they may not have been cigs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: yeah i would believe she was still smoking weed but not cigs...

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreammms
:lol: :lol: :lol: yeah i would believe she was still smoking weed but not cigs...

That would explain alot actually...

SuzeQuze 05-24-2005 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
i heard she was smoking again... i would lose some respect for her if that turned out to be true... :distress:

It is really hard to quit though and the temptation comes back during times of great pain or stress. Dammit, I hope she didn't start up again, but it would explain the vocal change. :(

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze
It is really hard to quit though and the temptation comes back during times of great pain or stress. Dammit, I hope she didn't start up again, but it would explain the vocal change. :(

It is very hard to quit... i used to smoke, so i definately know how it is.. it's not just the lack of nicotine that you have to get used to, but also the oral fixation involved as well.. it is very much a nervous habit.. and if you don't replace that with something else, that urge to smoke again becomes very strong.. some people eat, or chew gum... me, i suck on breathsavers :p

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
It is very hard to quit... i used to smoke, so i definately know how it is.. it's not just the lack of nicotine that you have to get used to, but also the oral fixation involved as well.. it is very much a nervous habit.. and if you don't replace that with something else, that urge to smoke again becomes very strong.. some people eat, or chew gum... me, i suck on breathsavers :p


I am soooooo good about it - but then after two cocktails I run for the pack - oh well, I suppose that is better than everyday as I drink mostly on the weekends and not every weekend :cool:

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I am soooooo good about it - but then after two cocktails I run for the pack - oh well, I suppose that is better than everyday as I drink mostly on the weekends and not every weekend :cool:

The funny thing is, when i do go out for drinks, i go through a pack of breathsavers in about 2 hours... and i'm not kidding :laugh: :p

strandinthewind 05-24-2005 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
The funny thing is, when i do go out for drinks, i go through a pack of breathsavers in about 2 hours... and i'm not kidding :laugh: :p


Well, that makes people want to be by you :wavey:

I need to start doing that. I went Jan. Feb. and most of March without one (or drinking for that matter) and neot even thinking about one. Then, I went to China via Paris and that was that as EVERYONE smokes in those two places :laugh:

LiquidBlue5000 05-24-2005 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Well, that makes people want to be by you :wavey:

Well, i do always have fresh breath :D

The Tower 05-24-2005 10:58 AM

I don't think Stevie is smoking again. In Vegas, she was holding out all her notes to the end of each phrase. That kind of vocal longevity is the first thing to go when you smoke.

I think she's just getting old. AND- she never really took good care of voice anyways. A women's voice is at its peak in the 40's and sometimes into the 50's. I think she's in the midst of a vocal decline. However, I think if she gets rest and is fresh, her voice reflects it. Just look at the difference in vocal quality from "Sara" on the second leg of SYW tour :eek: to her Vegas voice. I think 135 dates really did a number on her.

ontheEdgeof17 05-24-2005 11:12 AM

Well, she was smoking on the SYW....at least during the sound checks. Brit saw her once and I know ppl who work at Mellon Arena see her smoke a couple, too. Whether she does now, I don't know.

SapphireSister 05-24-2005 11:53 AM

Regarding her smoking, who cares if she has a few here and there. It's HER choice. I might question it if she went back to smoking multiple packs a day but give her a break. She's an artist and works her freakin tail off! So what if she wants to smoke. I mean I care about her health and all but after all this time if she does it in moderation I see no problem. And if that IS indeed what is affecting her voice (which I find hard to believe) than so be it. She gives us so much people, let her be.

Kelly 05-24-2005 06:27 PM

I know two people who say she smoke cigs occassionally. I also think she indulges in the other quite often but that is only my own opinion. I could care less about weed....she is one highly anxious, nervous nelly.

SapphireSister 05-24-2005 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
I know two people who say she smoke cigs occassionally. I also think she indulges in the other quite often but that is only my own opinion. I could care less about weed....she is one highly anxious, nervous nelly.

Yes, she's definitely a big time stoner and I hope it helps ;)

Rickypt 05-24-2005 07:14 PM

Stevie was quite sick during the TISL tour and played too many shows in the SYW tour. She sounds great in the Vegas songs I've been able to hear.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the Woodstock show after a bit of a break from the Enchanted tour? I'm just thinking rest and health are big factors, plus as was sad earlier she's getting older.

blinker12 05-25-2005 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickypt
Stevie was quite sick during the TISL tour and played too many shows in the SYW tour. She sounds great in the Vegas songs I've been able to hear.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the Woodstock show after a bit of a break from the Enchanted tour? I'm just thinking rest and health are big factors, plus as was sad earlier she's getting older.

Good points. Also the Woodstock show was taped for a Webcast (if memory serves), and we know she always puts forth a little more effort when the cameras are rolling!

But yeah, Liquid's right... :) She was in amazing voice in general that year. Further proof is currently available at http://www.angelfire.com/music6/thevault/, where mp3s of the 98 Tampa performance are posted. She sounds great on everything! I especially love "Twisted."

jannieC 05-25-2005 07:24 AM

I saw Stevie on the Enchanted tour and I will NEVER forget how incredible she was. I was so excited that when she first came out, I burst into tears! :laugh:

gldstwmn 05-25-2005 10:41 AM

I am of the opinion that something was lost in her voice between '94-'97. The Dance/Enchanted voice was definitely not the voice of '94. I am so glad she started working with a vocal coach. Her voice has a smooth quality to it now that I really love. I've loved all the incarnations of her voice though. Who says Stevie never changes? :laugh:

ShangriLaTroubl 05-25-2005 10:59 AM

Also to add her SYW Tour Voice was much stronger than her TISL Tour voice in my opinion..Even in songs like Rhiannon...during the Trouble in Shangri La Tour even before the health problems she couldn't manage to get out the "Dreams" in "dreams unwind loves a state of mind..." it came out as "unwind loves a state of mind"

Chris


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